Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! ☺ I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn’t tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn’t log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app’s executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
BTW #3, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on an Exchange Server can also really foul up the works. BTW #4, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a SQL Server can also really foul up the works. And your other comment is spot on! ☺ Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! ☺ I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn’t tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn’t log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app’s executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com]mailto:[mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
There's not many server-end systems that don't need exclusions. On XenApp, without a particular set of them you can't get EdgeSight working effectively, either - and if you use AppSense agents, you need to configure another particular set of exclusions, even on client endpoints. The days of the reactive AV are coming to an end, I think. Application management stops more threats for us these days than traditional AV ever does. I'm tempted to run a few systems *without *standard AV, but my current emplyer won't let me take the risk, even for an experiment :-) On 24 August 2011 14:07, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: BTW #3, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on an Exchange Server can also really foul up the works. ** ** BTW #4, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a SQL Server can also really foul up the works. ** ** And your other comment is spot on! J ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ** ** *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:01 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions ** ** Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! J I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. ** ** BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn’t tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn’t log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app’s executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. ** ** BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ** ** ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. ** ** Thanks ** ** ** ** Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ ** ** ** ** *From:* Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions ** ** You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
I've got several clients whose server farm is isolated from their user desktops and therefore chose to not run standard AV. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions There's not many server-end systems that don't need exclusions. On XenApp, without a particular set of them you can't get EdgeSight working effectively, either - and if you use AppSense agents, you need to configure another particular set of exclusions, even on client endpoints. The days of the reactive AV are coming to an end, I think. Application management stops more threats for us these days than traditional AV ever does. I'm tempted to run a few systems without standard AV, but my current emplyer won't let me take the risk, even for an experiment :-) On 24 August 2011 14:07, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: BTW #3, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on an Exchange Server can also really foul up the works. BTW #4, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a SQL Server can also really foul up the works. And your other comment is spot on! :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! :) I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn't tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn't log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app's executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com]mailto:[mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
Well advised, frankly, for certain classes of server. -ASB: http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Sent from my Motorola Droid On Aug 24, 2011 9:19 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I've got several clients whose server farm is isolated from their user desktops and therefore chose to not run standard AV. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions There's not many server-end systems that don't need exclusions. On XenApp, without a particular set of them you can't get EdgeSight working effectively, either - and if you use AppSense agents, you need to configure another particular set of exclusions, even on client endpoints. The days of the reactive AV are coming to an end, I think. Application management stops more threats for us these days than traditional AV ever does. I'm tempted to run a few systems without standard AV, but my current emplyer won't let me take the risk, even for an experiment :-) On 24 August 2011 14:07, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto: mich...@smithcons.com wrote: BTW #3, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on an Exchange Server can also really foul up the works. BTW #4, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a SQL Server can also really foul up the works. And your other comment is spot on! :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.commailto: webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! :) I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn't tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn't log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app's executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com]mailto:[mailto: pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto: webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto: listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally
Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
Isolated in what way? Just a separate subnet, or on a separate subnet with a firewall (or router with ACLs)? Or something more than that? On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 06:17, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I’ve got several clients whose server farm is isolated from their user desktops and therefore chose to not run standard AV. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions There's not many server-end systems that don't need exclusions. On XenApp, without a particular set of them you can't get EdgeSight working effectively, either - and if you use AppSense agents, you need to configure another particular set of exclusions, even on client endpoints. The days of the reactive AV are coming to an end, I think. Application management stops more threats for us these days than traditional AV ever does. I'm tempted to run a few systems without standard AV, but my current emplyer won't let me take the risk, even for an experiment :-) On 24 August 2011 14:07, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: BTW #3, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on an Exchange Server can also really foul up the works. BTW #4, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a SQL Server can also really foul up the works. And your other comment is spot on! J Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! J I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn’t tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn’t log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app’s executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
Absolutely. I'd go further and say they just need to be isolated from running non-approved code. A file server can have its shares full of viruses, but its not a problem for the system if nobody executes the code ON the server. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions I've got several clients whose server farm is isolated from their user desktops and therefore chose to not run standard AV. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions There's not many server-end systems that don't need exclusions. On XenApp, without a particular set of them you can't get EdgeSight working effectively, either - and if you use AppSense agents, you need to configure another particular set of exclusions, even on client endpoints. The days of the reactive AV are coming to an end, I think. Application management stops more threats for us these days than traditional AV ever does. I'm tempted to run a few systems without standard AV, but my current emplyer won't let me take the risk, even for an experiment :-) On 24 August 2011 14:07, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: BTW #3, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on an Exchange Server can also really foul up the works. BTW #4, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a SQL Server can also really foul up the works. And your other comment is spot on! :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! :) I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn't tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn't log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app's executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/ From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com]mailto:[mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
Firewall in between, as well as a different switching matrix. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Isolated in what way? Just a separate subnet, or on a separate subnet with a firewall (or router with ACLs)? Or something more than that? On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 06:17, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I’ve got several clients whose server farm is isolated from their user desktops and therefore chose to not run standard AV. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions There's not many server-end systems that don't need exclusions. On XenApp, without a particular set of them you can't get EdgeSight working effectively, either - and if you use AppSense agents, you need to configure another particular set of exclusions, even on client endpoints. The days of the reactive AV are coming to an end, I think. Application management stops more threats for us these days than traditional AV ever does. I'm tempted to run a few systems without standard AV, but my current emplyer won't let me take the risk, even for an experiment :-) On 24 August 2011 14:07, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: BTW #3, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on an Exchange Server can also really foul up the works. BTW #4, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a SQL Server can also really foul up the works. And your other comment is spot on! J Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! J I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn’t tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn’t log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app’s executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage
Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
I'm betting the rule set on that firewall is a bit complex... On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:56, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Firewall in between, as well as a different switching matrix. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Isolated in what way? Just a separate subnet, or on a separate subnet with a firewall (or router with ACLs)? Or something more than that? On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 06:17, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I’ve got several clients whose server farm is isolated from their user desktops and therefore chose to not run standard AV. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions There's not many server-end systems that don't need exclusions. On XenApp, without a particular set of them you can't get EdgeSight working effectively, either - and if you use AppSense agents, you need to configure another particular set of exclusions, even on client endpoints. The days of the reactive AV are coming to an end, I think. Application management stops more threats for us these days than traditional AV ever does. I'm tempted to run a few systems without standard AV, but my current emplyer won't let me take the risk, even for an experiment :-) On 24 August 2011 14:07, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: BTW #3, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on an Exchange Server can also really foul up the works. BTW #4, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a SQL Server can also really foul up the works. And your other comment is spot on! J Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! J I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn’t tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn’t log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app’s executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions
Yes, yes it is. Getting it to work properly the first time was a tad challenging. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:11 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions I'm betting the rule set on that firewall is a bit complex... On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:56, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: Firewall in between, as well as a different switching matrix. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Isolated in what way? Just a separate subnet, or on a separate subnet with a firewall (or router with ACLs)? Or something more than that? On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 06:17, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: I’ve got several clients whose server farm is isolated from their user desktops and therefore chose to not run standard AV. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions There's not many server-end systems that don't need exclusions. On XenApp, without a particular set of them you can't get EdgeSight working effectively, either - and if you use AppSense agents, you need to configure another particular set of exclusions, even on client endpoints. The days of the reactive AV are coming to an end, I think. Application management stops more threats for us these days than traditional AV ever does. I'm tempted to run a few systems without standard AV, but my current emplyer won't let me take the risk, even for an experiment :-) On 24 August 2011 14:07, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote: BTW #3, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on an Exchange Server can also really foul up the works. BTW #4, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a SQL Server can also really foul up the works. And your other comment is spot on! J Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions Tried that. Gave up. Found some posts saying in the managed version of SEP that there is no way to export the exclusion stuff. This customer had decided on the unmanaged version of SEP 12.1. Decisions like that make me glad I charge by the hour! J I wound up just manually entering the exclusions on all six Citrix XenApp servers. BTW #1, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a XenApp server can really screw things up. They installed SEP 12.1 on all XenApp servers over the weekend and didn’t tell me they were even planning on such a thing. Monday morning all you know what broke loose when users were getting corrupted profile, couldn’t log off and sessions would never terminate and their main accounting app’s executable kept being blocked so no one could do any accounting work. 12 man-hours later they were back running. BTW #2, not entering exclusions in an A/V product running on a Domain Controller can also really foul up the works. ID10T issues like this keep MBS and me in business. Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com From: Pete Howard [mailto:pchow...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection and Exclusions You may have access to the key but not Regedit perms. Try importing from an elevated cmd prompt ? Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote: My GoogleFu is failing me. Is there a way to copy the Exclusions from one computer to another? I found the registry key: [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Symantec\Symantec Endpoint Protection\AV\Exclusions] I exported it but when I try to import the .reg file, I get an access denied. I gave my account FC permission to the key but still a no-go. Any clues? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection
We are installing SEP on servers. Some are taking a short time, some are going on for a long time (1, 3, 5 Hours.) I am looking for someone with a similar situation. It is an upgraded install, its on a phyical box. For some it installs fast, for others it is very lengthy. For such a huge company and so many servers we cant have it taking so long. If you have any thoughts shoot them my way. Thanks! Miller ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection
Get Vipre. Seriously. Failing that, change the installation to AV and AntiSpyware only or whatever the option is. That saved a lot of time the last time I was forced to use that hideous product. On 11 February 2011 12:13, Michael Miller burner...@gmail.com wrote: We are installing SEP on servers. Some are taking a short time, some are going on for a long time (1, 3, 5 Hours.) I am looking for someone with a similar situation. It is an upgraded install, its on a phyical box. For some it installs fast, for others it is very lengthy. For such a huge company and so many servers we cant have it taking so long. If you have any thoughts shoot them my way. Thanks! Miller ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. *IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorised (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social faux pas. Unless the word absquatulation has been used in its correct context somewhere other than in this warning, it does not have any legal or no grammatical use and may be ignored. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the kelpie next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. Those of you with an overwhelming fear of the unknown will be gratified to learn that there is no hidden message revealed by reading this warning backwards, so just ignore that Alert Notice from Microsoft. However, by pouring a complete circle of salt around yourself and your computer you can ensure that no harm befalls you and your pets. If you have received this email in error, please add some nutmeg and egg whites, whisk and place in a warm oven for 40 minutes.* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection
What's different about the servers that are taking so long? On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Michael Miller burner...@gmail.com wrote: We are installing SEP on servers. Some are taking a short time, some are going on for a long time (1, 3, 5 Hours.) I am looking for someone with a similar situation. It is an upgraded install, its on a phyical box. For some it installs fast, for others it is very lengthy. For such a huge company and so many servers we cant have it taking so long. If you have any thoughts shoot them my way. Thanks! Miller ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection
Due to the the size of our company, I cant switch to Vipre. If i could switch, it wouldn't be for a long while. I wish I could that would be nice. There is nothing different about them from what I can tell. They are identical, with patches and everything down to the T. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 07:27, Candee can...@gmail.com wrote: What's different about the servers that are taking so long? On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Michael Miller burner...@gmail.comwrote: We are installing SEP on servers. Some are taking a short time, some are going on for a long time (1, 3, 5 Hours.) I am looking for someone with a similar situation. It is an upgraded install, its on a phyical box. For some it installs fast, for others it is very lengthy. For such a huge company and so many servers we cant have it taking so long. If you have any thoughts shoot them my way. Thanks! Miller ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection
Identical, including # and size of files, including temp directories ? Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Michael Miller [mailto:burner...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection Due to the the size of our company, I cant switch to Vipre. If i could switch, it wouldn't be for a long while. I wish I could that would be nice. There is nothing different about them from what I can tell. They are identical, with patches and everything down to the T. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 07:27, Candee can...@gmail.com wrote: What's different about the servers that are taking so long? On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Michael Miller burner...@gmail.com wrote: We are installing SEP on servers. Some are taking a short time, some are going on for a long time (1, 3, 5 Hours.) I am looking for someone with a similar situation. It is an upgraded install, its on a phyical box. For some it installs fast, for others it is very lengthy. For such a huge company and so many servers we cant have it taking so long. If you have any thoughts shoot them my way. Thanks! Miller ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection
Current AV? Uninstalled? John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection Identical, including # and size of files, including temp directories ? Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Michael Miller [mailto:burner...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection Due to the the size of our company, I cant switch to Vipre. If i could switch, it wouldn't be for a long while. I wish I could that would be nice. There is nothing different about them from what I can tell. They are identical, with patches and everything down to the T. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 07:27, Candee can...@gmail.commailto:can...@gmail.com wrote: What's different about the servers that are taking so long? On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Michael Miller burner...@gmail.commailto:burner...@gmail.com wrote: We are installing SEP on servers. Some are taking a short time, some are going on for a long time (1, 3, 5 Hours.) I am looking for someone with a similar situation. It is an upgraded install, its on a phyical box. For some it installs fast, for others it is very lengthy. For such a huge company and so many servers we cant have it taking so long. If you have any thoughts shoot them my way. Thanks! Miller ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection
If you can run the install package locally on the servers, not from the SEP distribution server. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:43 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Current AV? Uninstalled? *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2011 11:37 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection Identical, including # and size of files, including temp directories ? *Erik Goldoff*** *IT Consultant* *Systems, Networks, Security * ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' *From:* Michael Miller [mailto:burner...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 11, 2011 9:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection Due to the the size of our company, I cant switch to Vipre. If i could switch, it wouldn't be for a long while. I wish I could that would be nice. There is nothing different about them from what I can tell. They are identical, with patches and everything down to the T. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 07:27, Candee can...@gmail.com wrote: What's different about the servers that are taking so long? On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Michael Miller burner...@gmail.com wrote: We are installing SEP on servers. Some are taking a short time, some are going on for a long time (1, 3, 5 Hours.) I am looking for someone with a similar situation. It is an upgraded install, its on a phyical box. For some it installs fast, for others it is very lengthy. For such a huge company and so many servers we cant have it taking so long. If you have any thoughts shoot them my way. Thanks! Miller ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- T. Todd Lemmiksoo ~ Finally
RE: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection
Without praising or condemning SEP, if you have a large installation, it is well worth your while to get Symantec support to assist you. There is no simple answer to your query; SEP is a complex product with a lot of configuration options and every installation environment is different. Talk to your Symantec account manager about getting their 3rd-level support involved. We eventually were forced to do this during our upgrade from SAV CE to SEP and it would have helped cut our deployment much shorter had we done this in the beginning. -Malcolm From: Michael Miller [mailto:burner...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 06:14 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection We are installing SEP on servers. Some are taking a short time, some are going on for a long time (1, 3, 5 Hours.) I am looking for someone with a similar situation. It is an upgraded install, its on a phyical box. For some it installs fast, for others it is very lengthy. For such a huge company and so many servers we cant have it taking so long. If you have any thoughts shoot them my way. Thanks! Miller ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SEP Symantec Endpoint Protection
We saw seriously slow installs when we had not removed the previous antivirus. We upgraded the servers from SAV 10 to SEP 11 and our expectation was that the install would upgrade the existing, which it did, but at a time cost. It was much faster to uninstall SAV10, restart and then install SEP 11. Hope that helps you! Oh, and we DID NOT turn on the NTP (SEP firewall) on the servers, only the workstations. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection
Poor bastard. There are Oregon State Retires making 125% of their ending salary.PERS is a truly screwed up system. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Lucky you at 30 years Florida only pays 48% of your average best 3 years as retirement with a guarantee of a 3% pay increase each year. I have less than 2 years for retirement and just hope I can hold out that long. This will be the second year in a row with no pay increase for us. Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got into the govt job last October. I'm at an age now where job hopping is not a very good option. I've got just over 20 years to retirement age, and if I stay in govt, I'll get a retirement check for the rest of my life, of more than half of whatever salary I'm getting at the point of retirement. That may not sound like much, but to me, at my age, it's really something to keep in mind. Joe Heaton _ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Wows that is a seriously wacked situation, I wish you the best of luck with that. And maybe its time to head to a new vertical, because it looks like Govt Jobs arent where its at out there. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 _ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Just had a union workplace meeting today at lunch, with our union's bargaining team. One of them said that on the way back to the office yesterday after a rally at the capitol, she passed a homeless guy on the street. He stopped her, asking if she was a state worker. She says yes, and he says I feel sorry for you.you guys'll never make it on $6.55/hour. I make more than that begging on the street. Really makes you think. I'm not too worried right now, but let's see what's going on in a couple of weeks. Once the budget is passed, we're supposed to get the rest of our pay, retroactively, so in reality we're not really losing anything, except possible credit ratings, getting behind on car payments/mortgage, etc. The credit unions in the area have also come out saying that if this does happen, they will issue low-to-no interest loans, making up the difference in our paychecks, which could save a lot of people. Joe Heaton _ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I see your point, Arnie is a weird one anyways J Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 _ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is. Joe Heaton _ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 _ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1
Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection
As far as I know Florida pays the lowest of any state/territory/possession. Jon On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jim Majorowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Poor bastard. There are Oregon State Retires making 125% of their ending salary…PERS is a truly screwed up system. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Lucky you at 30 years Florida only pays 48% of your average best 3 years as retirement with a guarantee of a 3% pay increase each year. I have less than 2 years for retirement and just hope I can hold out that long. This will be the second year in a row with no pay increase for us. Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got into the govt job last October. I'm at an age now where job hopping is not a very good option. I've got just over 20 years to retirement age, and if I stay in govt, I'll get a retirement check for the rest of my life, of more than half of whatever salary I'm getting at the point of retirement. That may not sound like much, but to me, at my age, it's really something to keep in mind. Joe Heaton -- *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:53 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Wows that is a seriously wacked situation, I wish you the best of luck with that. And maybe its time to head to a new vertical, because it looks like Govt Jobs arent where its at out there. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Just had a union workplace meeting today at lunch, with our union's bargaining team. One of them said that on the way back to the office yesterday after a rally at the capitol, she passed a homeless guy on the street. He stopped her, asking if she was a state worker. She says yes, and he says I feel sorry for you…you guys'll never make it on $6.55/hour. I make more than that begging on the street. Really makes you think… I'm not too worried right now, but let's see what's going on in a couple of weeks. Once the budget is passed, we're supposed to get the rest of our pay, retroactively, so in reality we're not really losing anything, except possible credit ratings, getting behind on car payments/mortgage, etc. The credit unions in the area have also come out saying that if this does happen, they will issue low-to-no interest loans, making up the difference in our paychecks, which could save a lot of people. Joe Heaton -- *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:41 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I see your point, Arnie is a weird one anyways J Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is… Joe Heaton -- *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM *To:* NT System Admin
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection
And Oregon probably pays the highest. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection As far as I know Florida pays the lowest of any state/territory/possession. Jon On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jim Majorowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poor bastard. There are Oregon State Retires making 125% of their ending salary.PERS is a truly screwed up system. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Lucky you at 30 years Florida only pays 48% of your average best 3 years as retirement with a guarantee of a 3% pay increase each year. I have less than 2 years for retirement and just hope I can hold out that long. This will be the second year in a row with no pay increase for us. Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got into the govt job last October. I'm at an age now where job hopping is not a very good option. I've got just over 20 years to retirement age, and if I stay in govt, I'll get a retirement check for the rest of my life, of more than half of whatever salary I'm getting at the point of retirement. That may not sound like much, but to me, at my age, it's really something to keep in mind. Joe Heaton _ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Wows that is a seriously wacked situation, I wish you the best of luck with that. And maybe its time to head to a new vertical, because it looks like Govt Jobs arent where its at out there. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 _ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Just had a union workplace meeting today at lunch, with our union's bargaining team. One of them said that on the way back to the office yesterday after a rally at the capitol, she passed a homeless guy on the street. He stopped her, asking if she was a state worker. She says yes, and he says I feel sorry for you.you guys'll never make it on $6.55/hour. I make more than that begging on the street. Really makes you think. I'm not too worried right now, but let's see what's going on in a couple of weeks. Once the budget is passed, we're supposed to get the rest of our pay, retroactively, so in reality we're not really losing anything, except possible credit ratings, getting behind on car payments/mortgage, etc. The credit unions in the area have also come out saying that if this does happen, they will issue low-to-no interest loans, making up the difference in our paychecks, which could save a lot of people. Joe Heaton _ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I see your point, Arnie is a weird one anyways J Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 _ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is. Joe Heaton _ From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 _ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint
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Come on Edward, government jobs are the pits! Good luck Joe. Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ziots, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wows that is a seriously wacked situation, I wish you the best of luck with that. And maybe its time to head to a new vertical, because it looks like Govt Jobs arent where its at out there. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Just had a union workplace meeting today at lunch, with our union's bargaining team. One of them said that on the way back to the office yesterday after a rally at the capitol, she passed a homeless guy on the street. He stopped her, asking if she was a state worker. She says yes, and he says I feel sorry for you…you guys'll never make it on $6.55/hour. I make more than that begging on the street. Really makes you think… I'm not too worried right now, but let's see what's going on in a couple of weeks. Once the budget is passed, we're supposed to get the rest of our pay, retroactively, so in reality we're not really losing anything, except possible credit ratings, getting behind on car payments/mortgage, etc. The credit unions in the area have also come out saying that if this does happen, they will issue low-to-no interest loans, making up the difference in our paychecks, which could save a lot of people. Joe Heaton -- *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:41 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I see your point, Arnie is a weird one anyways J Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is… Joe Heaton -- *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1. That means that I'll be making a whopping $6.55/hour. Isn't that lovely? Joe Heaton -- *From:* Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu -- *From:* Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject
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Lucky you at 30 years Florida only pays 48% of your average best 3 years as retirement with a guarantee of a 3% pay increase each year. I have less than 2 years for retirement and just hope I can hold out that long. This will be the second year in a row with no pay increase for us. Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got into the govt job last October. I'm at an age now where job hopping is not a very good option. I've got just over 20 years to retirement age, and if I stay in govt, I'll get a retirement check for the rest of my life, of more than half of whatever salary I'm getting at the point of retirement. That may not sound like much, but to me, at my age, it's really something to keep in mind. Joe Heaton -- *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:53 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Wows that is a seriously wacked situation, I wish you the best of luck with that. And maybe its time to head to a new vertical, because it looks like Govt Jobs arent where its at out there. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:47 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Just had a union workplace meeting today at lunch, with our union's bargaining team. One of them said that on the way back to the office yesterday after a rally at the capitol, she passed a homeless guy on the street. He stopped her, asking if she was a state worker. She says yes, and he says I feel sorry for you…you guys'll never make it on $6.55/hour. I make more than that begging on the street. Really makes you think… I'm not too worried right now, but let's see what's going on in a couple of weeks. Once the budget is passed, we're supposed to get the rest of our pay, retroactively, so in reality we're not really losing anything, except possible credit ratings, getting behind on car payments/mortgage, etc. The credit unions in the area have also come out saying that if this does happen, they will issue low-to-no interest loans, making up the difference in our paychecks, which could save a lot of people. Joe Heaton -- *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:41 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I see your point, Arnie is a weird one anyways J Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is… Joe Heaton -- *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1. That means that I'll be making
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Jon, Luckily, I'm still at the point of step increases, as this is my first year, but there's no raises for anyone here either. Joe Heaton From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 6:43 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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We have never gotten step increases unless you are a teacher. Jon On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon, Luckily, I'm still at the point of step increases, as this is my first year, but there's no raises for anyone here either. Joe Heaton -- *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 6:43 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Wow, I came here from a school district, as a classified employee, and we got step raises there too. Each year for the first five, then at the 10, 15 and 20 year points. Joe Heaton From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1579 - Release Date: 7/29/2008 6:43 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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whilst I am no fan of SEP, I have been forced to use it. It extended our logoff times drastically until I went for the only Antivirus and Antispyware option which seems a lot better. I would still rather use something different though. I use the AppSense Application Manager component which blocks any executable from processing that is not on my whitelist, so i am not too concerned about having all the extra features such as firewall, network threat protection, application control and intrusion detection that Symantec tries to push on me. However I have to admit that for standard virus protection - which is all I want - it seems to be doing exactly what is required. Cheers, 2008/7/28 Michael Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can customise all the options to not do an initial scan and in our case not use the firewall components. There is a document for SBS networks which provides a light touch of management – that might be all you need to protect the clients and it will also give you a good idea of how to slim down the install package. Skip the basic v11 and go straight to the latest version – since that upgrade my internal server is now stable. The AD integration looks seems to work well (small network experience only though). Mike *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 28 July 2008 21:44 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton -- *From:* Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike *From:* Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 28 July 2008 19:11 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Wait until you are in a domain and have to update the engine from the SAV server. Major PITA. Jon On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:06 AM, James Rankin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whilst I am no fan of SEP, I have been forced to use it. It extended our logoff times drastically until I went for the only Antivirus and Antispyware option which seems a lot better. I would still rather use something different though. I use the AppSense Application Manager component which blocks any executable from processing that is not on my whitelist, so i am not too concerned about having all the extra features such as firewall, network threat protection, application control and intrusion detection that Symantec tries to push on me. However I have to admit that for standard virus protection - which is all I want - it seems to be doing exactly what is required. Cheers, 2008/7/28 Michael Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can customise all the options to not do an initial scan and in our case not use the firewall components. There is a document for SBS networks which provides a light touch of management – that might be all you need to protect the clients and it will also give you a good idea of how to slim down the install package. Skip the basic v11 and go straight to the latest version – since that upgrade my internal server is now stable. The AD integration looks seems to work well (small network experience only though). Mike *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 28 July 2008 21:44 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton -- *From:* Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike *From:* Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 28 July 2008 19:11 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1. That means that I'll be making a whopping $6.55/hour. Isn't that lovely? Joe Heaton From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton From: Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento
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How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1. That means that I'll be making a whopping $6.55/hour. Isn't that lovely? Joe Heaton From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton From: Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint
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Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is... Joe Heaton From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1. That means that I'll be making a whopping $6.55/hour. Isn't that lovely? Joe Heaton From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like
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I see your point, Arnie is a weird one anyways :-) Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is... Joe Heaton From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1. That means that I'll be making a whopping $6.55/hour. Isn't that lovely? Joe Heaton From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely
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Just had a union workplace meeting today at lunch, with our union's bargaining team. One of them said that on the way back to the office yesterday after a rally at the capitol, she passed a homeless guy on the street. He stopped her, asking if she was a state worker. She says yes, and he says I feel sorry for you...you guys'll never make it on $6.55/hour. I make more than that begging on the street. Really makes you think... I'm not too worried right now, but let's see what's going on in a couple of weeks. Once the budget is passed, we're supposed to get the rest of our pay, retroactively, so in reality we're not really losing anything, except possible credit ratings, getting behind on car payments/mortgage, etc. The credit unions in the area have also come out saying that if this does happen, they will issue low-to-no interest loans, making up the difference in our paychecks, which could save a lot of people. Joe Heaton From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I see your point, Arnie is a weird one anyways :-) Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is... Joe Heaton From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1. That means that I'll be making a whopping $6.55/hour. Isn't that lovely? Joe Heaton From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking
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Just got into the govt job last October. I'm at an age now where job hopping is not a very good option. I've got just over 20 years to retirement age, and if I stay in govt, I'll get a retirement check for the rest of my life, of more than half of whatever salary I'm getting at the point of retirement. That may not sound like much, but to me, at my age, it's really something to keep in mind. Joe Heaton From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Wows that is a seriously wacked situation, I wish you the best of luck with that. And maybe its time to head to a new vertical, because it looks like Govt Jobs arent where its at out there. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:47 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Just had a union workplace meeting today at lunch, with our union's bargaining team. One of them said that on the way back to the office yesterday after a rally at the capitol, she passed a homeless guy on the street. He stopped her, asking if she was a state worker. She says yes, and he says I feel sorry for you...you guys'll never make it on $6.55/hour. I make more than that begging on the street. Really makes you think... I'm not too worried right now, but let's see what's going on in a couple of weeks. Once the budget is passed, we're supposed to get the rest of our pay, retroactively, so in reality we're not really losing anything, except possible credit ratings, getting behind on car payments/mortgage, etc. The credit unions in the area have also come out saying that if this does happen, they will issue low-to-no interest loans, making up the difference in our paychecks, which could save a lot of people. Joe Heaton From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I see your point, Arnie is a weird one anyways :-) Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Exactly. It's all a political ploy, but our unions are massively up in arms at the moment. He was supposed to sign the Executive Order this morning, but has delayed that until Thursday. Once he signs it, pretty much every union in the state will file injunctions against it in court. The State Controller has also come out publicly disagreeing with Arnie about how much cash the state has (which is supposedly the reason behind this. Arnie thinks the state will run out of cash around mid-September, and the Controller says we're good through the end of September), and the Controller has already stated that he will ignore the order and pay us anyway. It's just a scare tactic, to get the public angry so that we get on the legislature to pass the darn budget. It's only a month and a half late as it is... Joe Heaton From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection How the hell can you live in CA at 6.55 a hr? SO he wants to put all the Govt workers in card-board boxes because earning that much an hr you be better off working at MCdonalds Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Well, seems that our support with Symantec isn't up until December, so I don't think I'm going to be able to push anything else until around then. We don't have any money until the stupid legislature passes the budget anyway. The Governator is even reducing all state workers' salaries to Federal minimum wage until the budget is passed, effective August 1. That means that I'll be making a whopping $6.55/hour. Isn't that lovely? Joe Heaton From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection
Trend OfficeScan automatically removed the McAfee client when I upgraded a few years back, it was slick! Dave Lum - Systems Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 ..remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside - JFK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Oh give me a tool to remove Symantec 9 and 10 and I will have a PO tomorrow. Ok, well maybe end of the week.. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Like what? A tool to help uninstall McAfee? That would be nice... On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Stu Sjouwerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton From: Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up
Symantec Endpoint Protection
Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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I think for a stand-alone PC that is an unmanaged client SEP is a pretty decent product. In a domain environment it is not so good. It's definitely a MUCH better product now then it was at launch, but that's not saying too much. I am still not confident enough with it to be comfortable installing it at any of our clients. I think by the end of the year it will probably be good enough. It also has all the extra stuff like the network and proactive scanning, firewall, etc that should all not be installed unless you are going to take the time to configure all of it. I would honestly stay with antivirus 10.2. If you are using 10.2 corporate edition and like the features of multi-tier protection you have an option. You can purchase SEP Multi-tier and request a downgrade license and media. You will get to use SAV 10.2 Enterprise edition which is a pretty kick ass product. Just my thoughts, hope they help! -Sean Houston On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection
I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection
I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection
So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton From: Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection
But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/http://certificatesforexchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/http://domainsforexchange.net/ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton From: Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection
Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton From: Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM .. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection
Like what? A tool to help uninstall McAfee? That would be nice... On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Stu Sjouwerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton From: Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM . ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection
Oh give me a tool to remove Symantec 9 and 10 and I will have a PO tomorrow. Ok, well maybe end of the week.. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Like what? A tool to help uninstall McAfee? That would be nice... On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Stu Sjouwerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, and don't forget Sunbelt's Ninja for the exchange server. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Email-Security/ While we are talking, VIPRE Enterprise on the desktop will prevent those insanely long boot times as well. http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ Simon, ask for a quote. Will make you an offer you cannot refuse. Warm regards, Stu From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. You like having a single point of failure for your AV software? I am the complete opposite to you. I hate having the same brand on Exchange and the desktops and will avoid it where possible. In your current scenario you have one defence system - as both the desktop and Exchange AV will be working on the same set of definition files. It gets past one it will get past the other and your machines will be infected. I will leave the Symantec bashing out of it, but will say that I see more infected systems that are protected by Symantec than any others. What you should be looking for is to have something different on the Exchange server to provide dual levels of protection. Something like GFI Mail Security, Microsoft Forefront or the list host's product. Something using multiple definition files that are not the same as what you are using now. The idea being that if one doesn't catch, the other will. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 21:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection So I guess what I'm really asking here, now that I'm not trying to bash Symantec, is this: Are there enough improvements with the new version (mainly overhead, bloat, etc.) to recommend upgrading to it? My users' main complaint is that their computer takes so long to completely boot up in the morning, and this is because Symantec is doing a startup scan and takes a huge portion of CPU cycles, which bogs down the entire system. I personally would love to tell them not to upgrade, but wait until the contract ends, and dump Symantec like a hot potato. But I do like that we have the one brand for both desktop AV and Exchange AV, and would like to keep it that way. Joe Heaton From: Michael Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I liked the product, it's just that at launch it was too heavy to run on anything but a dedicated box. As all our clients have SBS we just renewed and kept them on v.10. The new version is a lot lighter, but I'm still nervous about older servers and we are looking at a more blended defence. I'll probably keep renewing my clients for one more year and then see. Mike From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 July 2008 19:11 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I have v11.. and the latest greatest rendition, MP2 MR1.. fantastic.. But for email servers, id use trend micro's scanmail. IMHO. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Symantec Endpoint Protection Anyone using this that is happy with it? Also, is there anyone here that doesn't think Symantec is a big pile? I personally hate the product, and wish that I made the decisions around here, but I don't, so I have to come up with objective reviews of SEP, and whether or not we should upgrade from v.10 to the Symantec Mulit-tier protection system, with SEP, SAV Mobile and Mail Security. Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6
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Notes on SEP11: Its an aptly acronym'd disaster. The management app is a Java app. It runs like crap, if its not crashing just because you are trying to log in. And I dont just mean some .exe is failing. The system service fails. The Network Threat Protection client component is like the Windows Firewall, but you have less control over it. It does not play nice with various types of network connections. This is by far the biggest piece of absolute f*ck*ng sh*t I have ever had the displeasure of using. There's lost more, but its really not worth it. On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 4:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool. Thanks for the update! From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 4:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection VIPRE is actually done, it's shipping in current versions of CounterSpy. But that incarnation is way too basic to be relied on as a full AV product. The work over the past many months has been to increase the number of detections, add support for file infecting and macro viruses, email viruses, start lining up the certification, that kind of thing. It has been a very difficult (understatement) and very long task. But we'll go into beta on the final product in January, and ship in March. Alex From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/evolving-antimalware-technology-model.html This blog is almost a year old (Jan 2007) and talks about VIPRE being basically done: But now VIPRE is basically done. What needs to happen is to get certified by the major certification bodies and to continue adding more viruses in order to roll it up into a full antvirus product. However, a major part of the VIPRE technology is actually shipping in CounterSpy 2.0, solely for the purpose of making CounterSpy 2.0 a more powerful antispyware product. We've taken the VIPRE juice and put it into CounterSpy, and I think you'll really notice the difference when you're dealing with spyware. Maybe we'll see it Q1 2008? Unfortunately, my Symantec needs to be either renewed (or preferably replaced) sooner than later. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection It is called VIPRE. I hope it comes soon as well. I just purchased CounterSpy Enterprise and VIPRE will be an inexpensive upgrade to that if my understanding is correct. Bob Fronk From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection I didn't even know they (Sunbelt) had an antivirus product coming out?!?! How did I miss that? Is there any ETA for it? From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Personally I want to see Sunbelts new AV solution get out the door. My contract is up soon and I do not want to wait until it is to look at it. That would just push me into a renewal not a fun place to be. Either that or they take over Eset and do it right. I understand they use it in house or did at some point. Jon On Dec 21, 2007 11:14 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clients are all still at 2.7 I would have to look at the server to tell you which one but suspect the version before the current one. Jon On Dec 21, 2007 11:10 AM, David Mazzaccaro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What version of NOD32 are you (happily) running? From: Jon Harris [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection I'll add my $0.02 on this NOD32 yes the doc's blow but once it is up and running it catches more than Symantec, has a much smaller foot print, and just plain runs. I have it installed on a virtual server with only 512 MB of RAM, upgraded to 640 MB this last week. As for Backups try UltraBac it works and is nearly as old a product as BUE. I only wish Sunbelt did the support on this product! It takes half a day before tech support responds. Sunbelt rarely has anywhere close to that kind of delay. I must admit I have had only 2 problems and both were human made. Sales Engineer told me the tape unit we were looking at purchase of was in their list of supported units, it was not. I did not listen
Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback
I am planning to have a look at SEP 11. Symantec AV doesn't get much praise here but so far it was working OK for us. No major complaints. If you have anything positive/negative to share pls let me know what to look out for. regards Osama Salah -- Disclaimer: This communication contains information that is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication or the information in it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. -- ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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MR1 relase works quite well, but the server portion is a bit heavy load so if you can install it on a member server or on a xp desktop stand alone(dedicated) it would be better. (anyway dual-core ,4gb RAM, and 80GB disk space for their db usage) Regards GuidoElia HELPPC _ Da: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: domenica 24 febbraio 2008 11.22 A: NT System Admin Issues Oggetto: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback I am planning to have a look at SEP 11. Symantec AV doesn't get much praise here but so far it was working OK for us. No major complaints. If you have anything positive/negative to share pls let me know what to look out for. regards Osama Salah _ Disclaimer:This communication contains information that is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient,disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication or the information in it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback
No problems on our end. would have prefered to switch to something new, but it looks like we might do that in 2009 after some more research. The server component (as was already said) is absolutely hefty. We ended up installing it on our WSUS box (PowerEdge 860) and scrapping our old SAV server (PowerEdge 2400). That was a little tricky because they both have web sites that install as default with no host headers setup. SAV's actually needs to be on 80 with the defaults (also have it as sav.domain.com, but the server console looks on localhost:80), and WSUS we have setup on 80 as well but with host headers (wsus.domain.com) with no problems. Anyway, it's been fine so far, although our one support call had a hold time of over 60 minutes. Osama Salah [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/24/2008 05:22 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com cc Subject Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback I am planning to have a look at SEP 11. Symantec AV doesn't get much praise here but so far it was working OK for us. No major complaints. If you have anything positive/negative to share pls let me know what to look out for. regards Osama Salah Disclaimer:This communication contains information that is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient,disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication or the information in it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback
I found the management console inappropriate for small sites or virtual servers - it wanted half a CPU all by itself, continuously, even with only a half-dozen PCs to manage. And I found the client portion far too CPU-intensive as well, inappropriate for virtual machines. Haven't tried MR1. Sounds like you have a single, relatively large site where you can dedicate a single machine to the console. Not gonna happen for small businesses. /kenw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February-24-08 5:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback No problems on our end. would have prefered to switch to something new, but it looks like we might do that in 2009 after some more research. The server component (as was already said) is absolutely hefty. We ended up installing it on our WSUS box (PowerEdge 860) and scrapping our old SAV server (PowerEdge 2400). That was a little tricky because they both have web sites that install as default with no host headers setup. SAV's actually needs to be on 80 with the defaults (also have it as sav.domain.com, but the server console looks on localhost:80), and WSUS we have setup on 80 as well but with host headers (wsus.domain.com) with no problems. Anyway, it's been fine so far, although our one support call had a hold time of over 60 minutes. Osama Salah [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/24/2008 05:22 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com cc Subject Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback I am planning to have a look at SEP 11. Symantec AV doesn't get much praise here but so far it was working OK for us. No major complaints. If you have anything positive/negative to share pls let me know what to look out for. regards Osama Salah Disclaimer:This communication contains information that is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient,disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication or the information in it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback
I was hoping I could install it on a virtual server on VMWare VI3, but from the comments that sounds unlikely to work. thanks and regards OS From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback No problems on our end. would have prefered to switch to something new, but it looks like we might do that in 2009 after some more research. The server component (as was already said) is absolutely hefty. We ended up installing it on our WSUS box (PowerEdge 860) and scrapping our old SAV server (PowerEdge 2400). That was a little tricky because they both have web sites that install as default with no host headers setup. SAV's actually needs to be on 80 with the defaults (also have it as sav.domain.com, but the server console looks on localhost:80), and WSUS we have setup on 80 as well but with host headers (wsus.domain.com) with no problems. Anyway, it's been fine so far, although our one support call had a hold time of over 60 minutes. Osama Salah [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/24/2008 05:22 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com cc Subject Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback I am planning to have a look at SEP 11. Symantec AV doesn't get much praise here but so far it was working OK for us. No major complaints. If you have anything positive/negative to share pls let me know what to look out for. regards Osama Salah Disclaimer:This communication contains information that is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient,disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication or the information in it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. -- Disclaimer: This communication contains information that is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication or the information in it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. -- ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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Client is a bit CPU intensive during scanning, not autoprotect by itself. Really small businesses probably don't need a management console. The may use unmanaged clients (not the best) , but a dedicated XP machine for the task is not a problem nowadays. Corporate Edition is still available GuidoElia HELPPC _ Da: kenw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: lunedì 25 febbraio 2008 0.46 A: NT System Admin Issues Oggetto: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback I found the management console inappropriate for small sites or virtual servers - it wanted half a CPU all by itself, continuously, even with only a half-dozen PCs to manage. And I found the client portion far too CPU-intensive as well, inappropriate for virtual machines. Haven't tried MR1. Sounds like you have a single, relatively large site where you can dedicate a single machine to the console. Not gonna happen for small businesses. /kenw From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February-24-08 5:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback No problems on our end. would have prefered to switch to something new, but it looks like we might do that in 2009 after some more research. The server component (as was already said) is absolutely hefty. We ended up installing it on our WSUS box (PowerEdge 860) and scrapping our old SAV server (PowerEdge 2400). That was a little tricky because they both have web sites that install as default with no host headers setup. SAV's actually needs to be on 80 with the defaults (also have it as sav.domain.com, but the server console looks on localhost:80), and WSUS we have setup on 80 as well but with host headers (wsus.domain.com) with no problems. Anyway, it's been fine so far, although our one support call had a hold time of over 60 minutes. Osama Salah [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/24/2008 05:22 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com cc Subject Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback I am planning to have a look at SEP 11. Symantec AV doesn't get much praise here but so far it was working OK for us. No major complaints. If you have anything positive/negative to share pls let me know what to look out for. regards Osama Salah _ Disclaimer:This communication contains information that is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient,disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication or the information in it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
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If you have a 64 bits host machine and you buy a lot of RAM you may have a VS than manage that. If you need powerful machine for a specific real server the same should be for VS. GuidoElia HELPPC _ Da: Osama Salah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Inviato: lunedì 25 febbraio 2008 5.35 A: NT System Admin Issues Oggetto: RE: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback I was hoping I could install it on a virtual server on VMWare VI3, but from the comments that sounds unlikely to work. thanks and regards OS _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback No problems on our end. would have prefered to switch to something new, but it looks like we might do that in 2009 after some more research. The server component (as was already said) is absolutely hefty. We ended up installing it on our WSUS box (PowerEdge 860) and scrapping our old SAV server (PowerEdge 2400). That was a little tricky because they both have web sites that install as default with no host headers setup. SAV's actually needs to be on 80 with the defaults (also have it as sav.domain.com, but the server console looks on localhost:80), and WSUS we have setup on 80 as well but with host headers (wsus.domain.com) with no problems. Anyway, it's been fine so far, although our one support call had a hold time of over 60 minutes. Osama Salah [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/24/2008 05:22 AM Please respond to NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com To NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com cc Subject Symantec Endpoint Protection Feedback I am planning to have a look at SEP 11. Symantec AV doesn't get much praise here but so far it was working OK for us. No major complaints. If you have anything positive/negative to share pls let me know what to look out for. regards Osama Salah _ Disclaimer:This communication contains information that is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient,disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication or the information in it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. _ _ Disclaimer:This communication contains information that is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient,disclosure, copying, distribution or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication or the information in it is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender by return email, delete it from your system and destroy any copies. _ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
