Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Jim Osterlund

I wonder, then;  what purpose does this list serve?


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[nysbirds-l] Montauk- Lark Sparrow

2012-02-05 Thread Peter Max Polshek

I observed the previously reported Lark Sparrow at 5:10pm, Sunday afternoon.

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[nysbirds-l] California Gull, 5,700 Snow Geese in Niagara/Orleans Co - 5 Feb

2012-02-05 Thread James Pawlicki
Late morning, an adult California Gull was present amongst a few
hundred Herring and Ring-billed Gulls on the rocks below Devil's Hole
State Park on the lower Niagara River. Sometime around noon it flew
upstream presumably to forage amongst other gulls at the Robert
Moses/Sir Adam Beck power plants. Also present were 3 adult
"Kumlien's" Iceland Gulls and an adult "Nelson's" Gull (hybrid Herring
x Glaucous Gull).

Later in the afternoon, Bill Watson and I spent some time following a
large roving flock of a few thousand Snow Geese around Route 18 and
Lower Lake Rd. in the towns of Somerset, Yates, and Carlton near the
Niagara-Orleans County line. After nearly an hour of flying in circles
(the birds are clearly not familiar with the area), they finally
joined an existing mass of Snow Geese already sitting out on Lake
Ontario near Shadigee (terminus of Rt. 63). The total flock count came
to 5,700 Snows (21 Blue) and 1 Cackling Goose. Several scans of the
flock did not turn up any Ross's Geese, but not surprising since the
flock appeared close to a mile out. As others reported, about a half
dozen Red-throated Loons and a few dozen Horned Grebes were on the
lake here as well. Around 4:00 the juv. male Snowy Owl was sitting on
the barn at the cow farm along Marshall Rd. in the town of Yates.

Photos: www.flickr.com/photos/jmpawli10


Jim Pawlicki
Amherst, NY

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Seth Ausubel
I have been birding the Long Island barrier beaches for over 20 years.  It is 
clear that human activity of all types has increased dramatically in that time. 
 This of course leads to more disturbance of wildlife.  There are many more 
photographers and birders now then there were back then, and information 
rapidly gets out to all.  Of course there are some bad actors in every group.  
While I have occasionally posted publicly about owl locations, I will no 
longer.  I think it is wise for all of us to refrain entirely from such 
posting.  We will probably not eliminate disturbance, but we should not in any 
way contribute to it.  This may be inconvenient for those respectful 
photographers and birders who would like to see an owl, but I believe is the 
best course. Here, again is ABA's Principles of Birding Ethics: 
http://www.aba.org/about/ethics.html

On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Phil Jeffrey wrote:

> The photographers shown in Rob's video were not the only instances.
> This photographer:
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BqOGEhoql4A/Ty8zKetR49I/BLo/NhfyRUrXTrE/s1600/BozoBirdPhotographer_W5G7596.jpg
> was walking all over the dune area too in pursuit of the owls as of
> 8:30am.  One of the owls may have flushed as a result, although they
> were also observed moving independently.  I also have a photograph of
> this guy's SUV and NY license plate.
> 
> Birders need to understand that bird photographers are parasitic of
> the sightings on this list (this particular photographer was aware of
> the original NYSBirds-L post).
> 
> Phil Jeffrey
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Rob Jett  wrote:
>> I really hate to have to post this note, but ...
>> 
>> Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, 
>> birding ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported 
>> owls. They had walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and 
>> stationed themselves close to the bird to take photos. I've uploaded a video 
>> of the two geniuses here:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Matt Bango
I completely agree with Rob and Mardi. I just want to add what I witnessed
today - there were several birders as far out as the second dune and a
walker with a dog off of the leash within 50-75 meters of one of the owls
(it appeared that the walker had no idea the owl was there). My trip to
Breezy Point today was my first time being there and I did not notice the
'dunes closed' sign until I was on my way out. Perhaps the photographers
did not know the dunes were closed? I find that statement hard to believe
with the two time offender, but possibly the other two individuals were
just not properly informed? I think that it is a bit unfair to single out
photographers as problem individuals when both birders and other
individuals in the field for other reasons are equally as problematic. If
any of the photographers identified earlier are reading this thread -
simply bird (and photograph) ethically and these issues won't come about.

Also, thank you to the original poster of the Breezy Point owls as it was
one of my most memorable sightings as a birder in NYC.

Best,
Matt





On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Rob Jett  wrote:

> I concur with Mardi, my postings were never meant to imply that ALL
> photographers are a problem. Like every endeavor, amateur or professional,
> there are people who play by the rules and those whom think the rules don't
> apply. Let's not condemn a whole group of people just because there are a
> few bad apples out there.
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> Rob
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Re:[nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Rob Jett
I concur with Mardi, my postings were never meant to imply that ALL 
photographers are a problem. Like every endeavor, amateur or professional, 
there are people who play by the rules and those whom think the rules don't 
apply. Let's not condemn a whole group of people just because there are a few 
bad apples out there.

Rob




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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Mardi Dickinson
Phil et al,

Lets be VERY careful & clear NOT to put ALL Bird photographers or any 
photographers for that fact in this  quote you made below please!

> "Birders need to understand that bird photographers are parasitic of
> the sightings on this list"

I have been a pro photographer for 40 years and would NEVER do what the 2 time 
offender or more has done PERIOD!  I would also be mindful of NOT posting exact 
locations of such birds. Lets all remember to think of the birds before posting 
questionable sightings. It is the right thing to do!

Cheers,
Mardi W. Dickinson
Norwalk CT
http://kymry.wordpress.com
http://twitter.com/MardiWD

On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Phil Jeffrey  wrote:

> The photographers shown in Rob's video were not the only instances.
> This photographer:
> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BqOGEhoql4A/Ty8zKetR49I/BLo/NhfyRUrXTrE/s1600/BozoBirdPhotographer_W5G7596.jpg
> was walking all over the dune area too in pursuit of the owls as of
> 8:30am.  One of the owls may have flushed as a result, although they
> were also observed moving independently.  I also have a photograph of
> this guy's SUV and NY license plate.
> 
> Birders need to understand that bird photographers are parasitic of
> the sightings on this list (this particular photographer was aware of
> the original NYSBirds-L post).
> 
> Phil Jeffrey
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Rob Jett  wrote:
>> I really hate to have to post this note, but ...
>> 
>> Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, 
>> birding ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported 
>> owls. They had walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and 
>> stationed themselves close to the bird to take photos. I've uploaded a video 
>> of the two geniuses here:
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Phil Jeffrey
The photographers shown in Rob's video were not the only instances.
This photographer:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BqOGEhoql4A/Ty8zKetR49I/BLo/NhfyRUrXTrE/s1600/BozoBirdPhotographer_W5G7596.jpg
was walking all over the dune area too in pursuit of the owls as of
8:30am.  One of the owls may have flushed as a result, although they
were also observed moving independently.  I also have a photograph of
this guy's SUV and NY license plate.

Birders need to understand that bird photographers are parasitic of
the sightings on this list (this particular photographer was aware of
the original NYSBirds-L post).

Phil Jeffrey


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Rob Jett  wrote:
> I really hate to have to post this note, but ...
>
> Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, 
> birding ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported 
> owls. They had walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and 
> stationed themselves close to the bird to take photos. I've uploaded a video 
> of the two geniuses here:

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[nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Pelagic 2-5-12

2012-02-05 Thread ariegilb...@optonline.net
I led a small group out towards the Mud Hole and staying within NY waters to go 
after pelagic species.

As expected we had numerous Razorbills and Gannets. The highlights of the trip 
included Common Murre relatively close to shore and estimated to be in Queens 
county, and an all white Snowy Owl on the way in, located on the Breezy Point 
jetty {perhaps the Jones beach bird?}

After the trip, a number of us went to Floyd Bennett where we located the 
Eurasian Wigeon at the Archery road in association with Am. Wigeon, near the 
jetty to the north, and Red-necked Grebe at the Boat ramp area.

Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon NY

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if interested in future trips, please email me privately at 
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[nysbirds-l] Upper Niagara River - US side 2/5/12

2012-02-05 Thread Joetf1973
Another nice day for birding so I traveled the Tonawandas and Buffalo for  
the following:
 
Tonwanda Island/ Little River (North Tonawanda) 1:50 pm
 
29 Canada Geese
4 Mallards
8 Hooded Mergansers
62 Ring-billed Gulls
 
Fisherman's Park (North Tonawanda) 2:10 pm
 
9 Mallards
26 Ring-billed Gulls
2 American Crows
 
East Niagara St (Tonawanda)
 
22 Canada Geese
3 Mallards
2 Hooded Mergansers
 
There were many more Canada Geese in spots along the creek - but there are  
only certain spots that have parking, and I only counted the geese at that 
stop  (I didn't want to cause an accident on account of Canada Geese).
 
Squaw Island (Buffalo) 3:30 pm
 
350+ Bonaparte's Gulls
1 Black-headed Gull
2 Bald Eagles (on Strawberry Island)
1 Peregrine Falcon
and of course a few Great Black-backed, Herring, and Many Ring-billed  
Gulls)
 
I initially started looking from Rich Marina (foot of Austin St), but the  
glare of the water was terrible. I noticed a couple on Squaw Island packing 
up  their scope, so I headed over to see if they had any luck. The couple 
turned out  to be Marcie Jacklin and her husband Tim (I apologize if that's 
not his name!). 
 
The falcon put up the gulls, and they headed well out into the river. They  
came back in dribs and drabs and finally Marcie and Tim were able to put me 
on  the bird.
 
Notable were the bright orange-red bill, smaller and more circular spot on  
the head, and longer leaner look of the bird. It tended to keep it's neck  
somewhat outstretched as if looking for fish while on the surface of the 
water.  When in the air, the black on the underside of the primaries was  
noticeable.
 
I would like to ad that the difference in size between this bird and the  
Boneparte's Gulls seemed minimal (at least to me, I think the size difference 
 between a Little Gull and a Boneparte's Gull is more significant). I 
mention  this only to help other novice birders such as myself.
 
Finally, I would like to thank Marcie and Tim for their help! They were  
very kind and spent a considerable amount of time helping me find the  bird.
 
Joe Fell
Buffalo, NY
 
 
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[nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Rob Jett
I really hate to have to post this note, but ... 

Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, birding 
ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported owls. They had 
walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and stationed themselves 
close to the bird to take photos. I've uploaded a video of the two geniuses 
here:

http://youtu.be/Q-f8AzNn-F8

One of the guys was the same person that I posted about a couple months ago 
because he was walking around on the protected grassland at Floyd Bennett 
Field. If videos and photos aren't enough to shame these two into ethical 
behavior, perhaps posting their names might. In addition, I called the NPS and 
they said that they were dispatching the park police, however I don't know if 
they ever arrived.

Several other people were present at the time and were able to easily view the 
birds from a respectable distance without stressing them or encroaching on the 
sensitive dune habitat.

Good and ethical birding,

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[nysbirds-l] Glaucous Gull in Brooklyn on Saturday, 4 Feb

2012-02-05 Thread pjlindsay
While Holly Wilson  and I were searching unsuccessfully for the Black-headed 
Gull near Owl's Head Park, Brooklyn, Holly detected a first winter Glaucous 
Gull on the rooftop of the wastewater treatment plant. The bird remained for 
about 15 minutes around 9:30 am, then disappeared, and we found neither it nor 
the Black-headed Gull when we returned around 4:00 pm.

Today, 5 Feb, Shai Mitra and I observed a huge flock of Brant in Great South 
Bay, as viewed from the eastern end of the fishing piers at Captree SP, Suffolk 
County, LI. The two of us independently estimated the flock at about 8,500--by 
far the most we can recall seeing in Suffolk County.

Patricia Lindsay
Bay Shore

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[nysbirds-l] King Eider still in Glen Cover

2012-02-05 Thread Seth Ausubel
A female King Eider I found on December 10 was still off the point at East 
Island, Glen Cove, Nassau County today.  It can be viewed at a distance from 
Pryibil Beach, Glen Cove.  East Island has several small parks providing access 
to the water near the point, but they are posted for residents only.

Seth Ausubel
Forest Hills, NY




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[nysbirds-l] LARK SPARROW IN MONTAUK -SUNDAY AFTERNOON

2012-02-05 Thread Karen Rubinstein
My sister Barbara, Vicki Bustamante and I went to see the previously
reported *LARK SPARROW*  on Sunday afternoon.

The bird is with a flock of feeder birds at 51 Ditch Plains Road, across
the street from Miller (a dirt road).

We viewed the sparrow from across the street; the feeders are close to a
private house and easily visible from the road.  The house owner is
friendly but it is probably best  to stay across the street
from which you can get an excellent view. The sparrow was seen as soon as
we arrived, although it disappeared for a period of time while we were
there.  It returned after a 20 minute absence while there
was activity around the house.

At Lazy Point, we did not find the Snowy Owl.  There was a good flock of
shorebirds, including several  *Black-bellied Plovers,* *Ruddy Turnstones*,
*Sanderlings* and *Dunlin*. Larry ,the *Lesser Black-backed Gul*l was
present. And, a flock of around 15* Snow Bunting*s were seen several times
flying around Hicks Island.  Ducks included: *Common Goldeneye. Bufflehead *
and*  Long-Tailed Duck*s.
A* Northern Harrier *was also seen.

Karen Rubinstein
New York City and Springs

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[nysbirds-l] LARK SPARROW in Montauk

2012-02-05 Thread Karen Rubinstein
Jim Griswold and Connecticut Audubon had a LARK SPARROW at 51 Ditch Plains Rd 
in Montauk.   The bird was at an active feeder this morning. 

Karen

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[nysbirds-l] The New York Botanical Garden

2012-02-05 Thread Debbie Becker
There were 33 birders on the Saturday morning bird walk at NYBG. 

Junior, the Great Horned Owl who had his picture published in the New York 
Times (2/4/12) was found sitting alone in a tree. The female owl was a no show 
and we can only hope she is on a  nest.  
Twin Lakes had 4 hooded mergansers,1 wood duck and 4 Mallards. A Phoebe was 
heard but not seen. 
Other sightings include two of the friendliest downy woodpeckers I have ever 
seen, 2 Red winged blackbirds, 7 Rusty blackbirds, Swamp Sparrow, White 
throated Sparrows, Song Sparrow, Mockingbird, Chickadees, Tufted titmice, 
American Robins, 35+ Goldfinch, Red bellied woodpecker, House finch, Blue jays, 
Cardinals and Juncos. 
The beavers are back and took down another tree. The downed limb was sitting on 
the bank of the Bronx River. It appears the beaver may have been startled and 
left the chewed limb behind. 

Good birding,
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[nysbirds-l] Sullivan County

2012-02-05 Thread vanh...@citlink.net
The White-winged Crossbills put on a nice show this morning for many 
observers.  The males were singing and one did a Courtship Flight display.  
They were feeding right along the road.   Many Pine Siskins were present as 
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this morning on Zylstra Road in Fosterdale.  John Haas
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[nysbirds-l] Green Winged Teals, Moriches, LI

2012-02-05 Thread priolopeter
6 pairs of GreenWinged Teals at outflow south of pond at Barnes Rd and Montauk 
hwy, Moriches. Low tide. 7 Wilsons Snipe also foraging in background. Close 
views from curb side. Watching them now at 11:45am. 
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[nysbirds-l] Barrow's Goldeneye

2012-02-05 Thread Robert A. Proniewych
The drake Barrow's Goldeneye was viewed from about 7:00am until 7:40am on
the West pond at Jamaica Bay. The bird lifted off into the bay in a
westerly direction and was lost to view.
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[nysbirds-l] Barrow's Goldeneye

2012-02-05 Thread Robert A. Proniewych
The drake Barrow's Goldeneye was viewed from about 7:00am until 7:40am on
the West pond at Jamaica Bay. The bird lifted off into the bay in a
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[nysbirds-l] Sullivan County

2012-02-05 Thread vanh...@citlink.net
The White-winged Crossbills put on a nice show this morning for many 
observers.  The males were singing and one did a Courtship Flight display.  
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[nysbirds-l] LARK SPARROW IN MONTAUK -SUNDAY AFTERNOON

2012-02-05 Thread Karen Rubinstein
My sister Barbara, Vicki Bustamante and I went to see the previously
reported *LARK SPARROW*  on Sunday afternoon.

The bird is with a flock of feeder birds at 51 Ditch Plains Road, across
the street from Miller (a dirt road).

We viewed the sparrow from across the street; the feeders are close to a
private house and easily visible from the road.  The house owner is
friendly but it is probably best  to stay across the street
from which you can get an excellent view. The sparrow was seen as soon as
we arrived, although it disappeared for a period of time while we were
there.  It returned after a 20 minute absence while there
was activity around the house.

At Lazy Point, we did not find the Snowy Owl.  There was a good flock of
shorebirds, including several  *Black-bellied Plovers,* *Ruddy Turnstones*,
*Sanderlings* and *Dunlin*. Larry ,the *Lesser Black-backed Gul*l was
present. And, a flock of around 15* Snow Bunting*s were seen several times
flying around Hicks Island.  Ducks included: *Common Goldeneye. Bufflehead *
and*  Long-Tailed Duck*s.
A* Northern Harrier *was also seen.

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New York City and Springs

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[nysbirds-l] King Eider still in Glen Cover

2012-02-05 Thread Seth Ausubel
A female King Eider I found on December 10 was still off the point at East 
Island, Glen Cove, Nassau County today.  It can be viewed at a distance from 
Pryibil Beach, Glen Cove.  East Island has several small parks providing access 
to the water near the point, but they are posted for residents only.

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[nysbirds-l] Glaucous Gull in Brooklyn on Saturday, 4 Feb

2012-02-05 Thread pjlindsay
While Holly Wilson  and I were searching unsuccessfully for the Black-headed 
Gull near Owl's Head Park, Brooklyn, Holly detected a first winter Glaucous 
Gull on the rooftop of the wastewater treatment plant. The bird remained for 
about 15 minutes around 9:30 am, then disappeared, and we found neither it nor 
the Black-headed Gull when we returned around 4:00 pm.

Today, 5 Feb, Shai Mitra and I observed a huge flock of Brant in Great South 
Bay, as viewed from the eastern end of the fishing piers at Captree SP, Suffolk 
County, LI. The two of us independently estimated the flock at about 8,500--by 
far the most we can recall seeing in Suffolk County.

Patricia Lindsay
Bay Shore

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[nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Rob Jett
I really hate to have to post this note, but ... 

Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, birding 
ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported owls. They had 
walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and stationed themselves 
close to the bird to take photos. I've uploaded a video of the two geniuses 
here:

http://youtu.be/Q-f8AzNn-F8

One of the guys was the same person that I posted about a couple months ago 
because he was walking around on the protected grassland at Floyd Bennett 
Field. If videos and photos aren't enough to shame these two into ethical 
behavior, perhaps posting their names might. In addition, I called the NPS and 
they said that they were dispatching the park police, however I don't know if 
they ever arrived.

Several other people were present at the time and were able to easily view the 
birds from a respectable distance without stressing them or encroaching on the 
sensitive dune habitat.

Good and ethical birding,

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[nysbirds-l] Upper Niagara River - US side 2/5/12

2012-02-05 Thread Joetf1973
Another nice day for birding so I traveled the Tonawandas and Buffalo for  
the following:
 
Tonwanda Island/ Little River (North Tonawanda) 1:50 pm
 
29 Canada Geese
4 Mallards
8 Hooded Mergansers
62 Ring-billed Gulls
 
Fisherman's Park (North Tonawanda) 2:10 pm
 
9 Mallards
26 Ring-billed Gulls
2 American Crows
 
East Niagara St (Tonawanda)
 
22 Canada Geese
3 Mallards
2 Hooded Mergansers
 
There were many more Canada Geese in spots along the creek - but there are  
only certain spots that have parking, and I only counted the geese at that 
stop  (I didn't want to cause an accident on account of Canada Geese).
 
Squaw Island (Buffalo) 3:30 pm
 
350+ Bonaparte's Gulls
1 Black-headed Gull
2 Bald Eagles (on Strawberry Island)
1 Peregrine Falcon
and of course a few Great Black-backed, Herring, and Many Ring-billed  
Gulls)
 
I initially started looking from Rich Marina (foot of Austin St), but the  
glare of the water was terrible. I noticed a couple on Squaw Island packing 
up  their scope, so I headed over to see if they had any luck. The couple 
turned out  to be Marcie Jacklin and her husband Tim (I apologize if that's 
not his name!). 
 
The falcon put up the gulls, and they headed well out into the river. They  
came back in dribs and drabs and finally Marcie and Tim were able to put me 
on  the bird.
 
Notable were the bright orange-red bill, smaller and more circular spot on  
the head, and longer leaner look of the bird. It tended to keep it's neck  
somewhat outstretched as if looking for fish while on the surface of the 
water.  When in the air, the black on the underside of the primaries was  
noticeable.
 
I would like to ad that the difference in size between this bird and the  
Boneparte's Gulls seemed minimal (at least to me, I think the size difference 
 between a Little Gull and a Boneparte's Gull is more significant). I 
mention  this only to help other novice birders such as myself.
 
Finally, I would like to thank Marcie and Tim for their help! They were  
very kind and spent a considerable amount of time helping me find the  bird.
 
Joe Fell
Buffalo, NY
 
 
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[nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Pelagic 2-5-12

2012-02-05 Thread ariegilb...@optonline.net
I led a small group out towards the Mud Hole and staying within NY waters to go 
after pelagic species.

As expected we had numerous Razorbills and Gannets. The highlights of the trip 
included Common Murre relatively close to shore and estimated to be in Queens 
county, and an all white Snowy Owl on the way in, located on the Breezy Point 
jetty {perhaps the Jones beach bird?}

After the trip, a number of us went to Floyd Bennett where we located the 
Eurasian Wigeon at the Archery road in association with Am. Wigeon, near the 
jetty to the north, and Red-necked Grebe at the Boat ramp area.

Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon NY

www.powerbirder.blogspot.com
www.qcbirdclub.org

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Phil Jeffrey
The photographers shown in Rob's video were not the only instances.
This photographer:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BqOGEhoql4A/Ty8zKetR49I/BLo/NhfyRUrXTrE/s1600/BozoBirdPhotographer_W5G7596.jpg
was walking all over the dune area too in pursuit of the owls as of
8:30am.  One of the owls may have flushed as a result, although they
were also observed moving independently.  I also have a photograph of
this guy's SUV and NY license plate.

Birders need to understand that bird photographers are parasitic of
the sightings on this list (this particular photographer was aware of
the original NYSBirds-L post).

Phil Jeffrey


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 I really hate to have to post this note, but ...

 Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, 
 birding ethics and clearly posted NPS signs to get close to the reported 
 owls. They had walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and 
 stationed themselves close to the bird to take photos. I've uploaded a video 
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Re:[nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Rob Jett
I concur with Mardi, my postings were never meant to imply that ALL 
photographers are a problem. Like every endeavor, amateur or professional, 
there are people who play by the rules and those whom think the rules don't 
apply. Let's not condemn a whole group of people just because there are a few 
bad apples out there.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Matt Bango
I completely agree with Rob and Mardi. I just want to add what I witnessed
today - there were several birders as far out as the second dune and a
walker with a dog off of the leash within 50-75 meters of one of the owls
(it appeared that the walker had no idea the owl was there). My trip to
Breezy Point today was my first time being there and I did not notice the
'dunes closed' sign until I was on my way out. Perhaps the photographers
did not know the dunes were closed? I find that statement hard to believe
with the two time offender, but possibly the other two individuals were
just not properly informed? I think that it is a bit unfair to single out
photographers as problem individuals when both birders and other
individuals in the field for other reasons are equally as problematic. If
any of the photographers identified earlier are reading this thread -
simply bird (and photograph) ethically and these issues won't come about.

Also, thank you to the original poster of the Breezy Point owls as it was
one of my most memorable sightings as a birder in NYC.

Best,
Matt





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 I concur with Mardi, my postings were never meant to imply that ALL
 photographers are a problem. Like every endeavor, amateur or professional,
 there are people who play by the rules and those whom think the rules don't
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 few bad apples out there.

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Seth Ausubel
I have been birding the Long Island barrier beaches for over 20 years.  It is 
clear that human activity of all types has increased dramatically in that time. 
 This of course leads to more disturbance of wildlife.  There are many more 
photographers and birders now then there were back then, and information 
rapidly gets out to all.  Of course there are some bad actors in every group.  
While I have occasionally posted publicly about owl locations, I will no 
longer.  I think it is wise for all of us to refrain entirely from such 
posting.  We will probably not eliminate disturbance, but we should not in any 
way contribute to it.  This may be inconvenient for those respectful 
photographers and birders who would like to see an owl, but I believe is the 
best course. Here, again is ABA's Principles of Birding Ethics: 
http://www.aba.org/about/ethics.html

On Feb 5, 2012, at 9:03 PM, Phil Jeffrey wrote:

 The photographers shown in Rob's video were not the only instances.
 This photographer:
 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BqOGEhoql4A/Ty8zKetR49I/BLo/NhfyRUrXTrE/s1600/BozoBirdPhotographer_W5G7596.jpg
 was walking all over the dune area too in pursuit of the owls as of
 8:30am.  One of the owls may have flushed as a result, although they
 were also observed moving independently.  I also have a photograph of
 this guy's SUV and NY license plate.
 
 Birders need to understand that bird photographers are parasitic of
 the sightings on this list (this particular photographer was aware of
 the original NYSBirds-L post).
 
 Phil Jeffrey
 
 
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 I really hate to have to post this note, but ...
 
 Today at Breezy Point two photographers decided to ignore common sense, 
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 owls. They had walked a long distance into the protected dune habitat and 
 stationed themselves close to the bird to take photos. I've uploaded a video 
 of the two geniuses here:
 
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[nysbirds-l] California Gull, 5,700 Snow Geese in Niagara/Orleans Co - 5 Feb

2012-02-05 Thread James Pawlicki
Late morning, an adult California Gull was present amongst a few
hundred Herring and Ring-billed Gulls on the rocks below Devil's Hole
State Park on the lower Niagara River. Sometime around noon it flew
upstream presumably to forage amongst other gulls at the Robert
Moses/Sir Adam Beck power plants. Also present were 3 adult
Kumlien's Iceland Gulls and an adult Nelson's Gull (hybrid Herring
x Glaucous Gull).

Later in the afternoon, Bill Watson and I spent some time following a
large roving flock of a few thousand Snow Geese around Route 18 and
Lower Lake Rd. in the towns of Somerset, Yates, and Carlton near the
Niagara-Orleans County line. After nearly an hour of flying in circles
(the birds are clearly not familiar with the area), they finally
joined an existing mass of Snow Geese already sitting out on Lake
Ontario near Shadigee (terminus of Rt. 63). The total flock count came
to 5,700 Snows (21 Blue) and 1 Cackling Goose. Several scans of the
flock did not turn up any Ross's Geese, but not surprising since the
flock appeared close to a mile out. As others reported, about a half
dozen Red-throated Loons and a few dozen Horned Grebes were on the
lake here as well. Around 4:00 the juv. male Snowy Owl was sitting on
the barn at the cow farm along Marshall Rd. in the town of Yates.

Photos: www.flickr.com/photos/jmpawli10


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Amherst, NY

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Re: [nysbirds-l] Photographer problem at Breezy Point

2012-02-05 Thread Jim Osterlund

I wonder, then;  what purpose does this list serve?


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