Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County

[John Cancalosi]

I don't have time to read through all these comments so as not to repeat,
but I don't think that anyone has used the obvious description of these
events as a "MURDER OF CROWS"!

I am a hunter and have defended hunting to a number of birdwatchers
recently. Im my opinion what we have here is no more hunting than
bull-fighting is sport. Let them eat crow!


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Arie Gilbert wrote:

>
> *got a gun**,*
> *fact I've got two,*
> *that's okay man cause I love god**,*
> *glorified version of a pellet gun,*
> *fell so manly,*
> *when armed...  *(Pearl Jam)
>
> Arie Gilbert
> North Babylon, NY
>
> WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
>  WWW.qcbirdclub.org
>
>
>
> On 3/19/2014 6:50 AM, Patricia Aitken wrote:
>
> According to their facebook page, they also had a Squirrel Skramble, to
> see who could shoot the most squirrels.  It seems like stopping these hunts
> would have to be done by changing the law, as competitive hunting is part
> of their club's culture.
>
> Best,
> Pat
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:55 AM,  wrote:
>
>  I totally agree with Rich. It was a posthaste attempt to justify the
> unjustifyable.
> To proceed in trying to stop this we need to determine if the ability to
> shoot crows is rooted in NY En Con Law or if it stems from federal
> law...
>
> John Turner
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard
> Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
> To: Stella Miller
> Cc: Rick & Linda Kedenburg , Larry Federman , Jonathan Perez , Lynne
> Hertzog , Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L , Jim Osterlund
>
> > My guess is that nobody will consume any American Crow, Fish
> > Crow, or Raven unless one or two do so to "justify" the killing
> > now that it's been put out there. Nobody should believe that was
> > their original intention. It was just to shoot to wound or kill -
> > plain and simple. I've seen crippled crows impaired on trees or
> > flopping on ice to lure more into range. This is not
> > subsistence hunting - it's wonton killing.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > Sent from my wireless tin can
> >
> > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 11:21, Stella Miller
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Is he really confirming that they will be eating these birds?
> > Sounds as though he is putting it out there that they CAN be
> > eaten, not necessarily that they will be sitting down to a feast
> > of Crow Pot Pie.
> > >
> > > Stella
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything
> > cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people.
> > It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice
> > is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an
> > impoverished existence for Man." Thomas Lovejoy
> > > From: Rick & Linda Kedenburg
> > > To: Larry Federman
> > > Cc: Jonathan Perez ; Richard
> > ; Lynne Hertzog
> > ; Cesar Castillo ;
> > NYSBIRDS-L ; Jim Osterlund
> >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:07 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
> > >
> > > Dear Larry and others,
> > > I wrote to the club yesterday and received the following
> > answer. (See Below) Judging from the way it's worded I don't
> > think they care what any of us think. It's preposterous that
> > they are "gathering" the crows to eat.
> > >
> > > Approaching our government representatives is a good way to go
> > but perhaps some press coverage of this event my make them think
> > twice. I don't know any journalists in that area that would take
> > up the story. Anyone else have any contacts along these lines.
> > >
> > > Best Rick
> > >
> > > From: r...@hvc.rr.com
> > > Subject: Re: Crow Shoot
> > > Date: March 17, 2014 10:56:54 PM EDT
> > > To: rickkedenb...@optonline.net
> > > Rick,
> > > Thank you for your input. Your opinion of our event is
> > expected. We applaud your respect for nature and the crow. The
> > crow is meaningful. We believe in utilizing the animal for all
> > its worth. It sounds as if you do not realize that crow can and
> > has been consumed for centuries. I'm sure as anecdotal evidence
> > you would recall "4 and 20 blackbirds baked in a pie".
> > > You may gather and eat different things, however that does not
> > negatively define us as sportsmen.
> > > RVW Gun Club
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Rick Kedenburg
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear RVW Club.
> > > As a youth I was a duck and deer hunter on eastern LI. I know
> > you have every right to conduct this shoot. It is perfectly
> > legal for this to happen under the rules of the NYS-DEC.
> > >
> > > However I am still outraged by this. Crows are one of the most
> > intelligent creatures we share the Earth with. They have been
> > documented to fashion and use tools. They are highly social and
> > live in family groups. My fascination with them led me to love
> > and appreciate nature long ago.
> > >
> > > I hope you can understand that this will not be good for 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County

[John Cancalosi]

I don't have time to read through all these comments so as not to repeat,
but I don't think that anyone has used the obvious description of these
events as a MURDER OF CROWS!

I am a hunter and have defended hunting to a number of birdwatchers
recently. Im my opinion what we have here is no more hunting than
bull-fighting is sport. Let them eat crow!


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.netwrote:


 *got a gun**,*
 *fact I've got two,*
 *that's okay man cause I love god**,*
 *glorified version of a pellet gun,*
 *fell so manly,*
 *when armed...  *(Pearl Jam)

 Arie Gilbert
 North Babylon, NY

 WWW.Powerbirder.blogspot.com
  WWW.qcbirdclub.org



 On 3/19/2014 6:50 AM, Patricia Aitken wrote:

 According to their facebook page, they also had a Squirrel Skramble, to
 see who could shoot the most squirrels.  It seems like stopping these hunts
 would have to be done by changing the law, as competitive hunting is part
 of their club's culture.

 Best,
 Pat




 On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:55 AM, redk...@optonline.net wrote:

  I totally agree with Rich. It was a posthaste attempt to justify the
 unjustifyable.
 To proceed in trying to stop this we need to determine if the ability to
 shoot crows is rooted in NY En Con Law or if it stems from federal
 law...

 John Turner

 - Original Message -
 From: Richard
 Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:58 pm
 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
 To: Stella Miller
 Cc: Rick  Linda Kedenburg , Larry Federman , Jonathan Perez , Lynne
 Hertzog , Cesar Castillo , NYSBIRDS-L , Jim Osterlund

  My guess is that nobody will consume any American Crow, Fish
  Crow, or Raven unless one or two do so to justify the killing
  now that it's been put out there. Nobody should believe that was
  their original intention. It was just to shoot to wound or kill -
  plain and simple. I've seen crippled crows impaired on trees or
  flopping on ice to lure more into range. This is not
  subsistence hunting - it's wonton killing.
 
  Rich
 
  Sent from my wireless tin can
 
   On Mar 18, 2014, at 11:21, Stella Miller
   wrote:
  
   Is he really confirming that they will be eating these birds?
  Sounds as though he is putting it out there that they CAN be
  eaten, not necessarily that they will be sitting down to a feast
  of Crow Pot Pie.
  
   Stella
  
  
  
  
   Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything
  cold, as holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people.
  It is up to science to spread the understanding that the choice
  is not between wild places or people, it is between a rich or an
  impoverished existence for Man. Thomas Lovejoy
   From: Rick  Linda Kedenburg
   To: Larry Federman
   Cc: Jonathan Perez ; Richard
  ; Lynne Hertzog
  ; Cesar Castillo ;
  NYSBIRDS-L ; Jim Osterlund
 
   Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:07 AM
   Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
  
   Dear Larry and others,
   I wrote to the club yesterday and received the following
  answer. (See Below) Judging from the way it's worded I don't
  think they care what any of us think. It's preposterous that
  they are gathering the crows to eat.
  
   Approaching our government representatives is a good way to go
  but perhaps some press coverage of this event my make them think
  twice. I don't know any journalists in that area that would take
  up the story. Anyone else have any contacts along these lines.
  
   Best Rick
  
   From: r...@hvc.rr.com
   Subject: Re: Crow Shoot
   Date: March 17, 2014 10:56:54 PM EDT
   To: rickkedenb...@optonline.net
   Rick,
   Thank you for your input. Your opinion of our event is
  expected. We applaud your respect for nature and the crow. The
  crow is meaningful. We believe in utilizing the animal for all
  its worth. It sounds as if you do not realize that crow can and
  has been consumed for centuries. I'm sure as anecdotal evidence
  you would recall 4 and 20 blackbirds baked in a pie.
   You may gather and eat different things, however that does not
  negatively define us as sportsmen.
   RVW Gun Club
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Rick Kedenburg
   wrote:
  
   Dear RVW Club.
   As a youth I was a duck and deer hunter on eastern LI. I know
  you have every right to conduct this shoot. It is perfectly
  legal for this to happen under the rules of the NYS-DEC.
  
   However I am still outraged by this. Crows are one of the most
  intelligent creatures we share the Earth with. They have been
  documented to fashion and use tools. They are highly social and
  live in family groups. My fascination with them led me to love
  and appreciate nature long ago.
  
   I hope you can understand that this will not be good for the
  reputation of your club or for any responsible hunters.
  
   Rick Kedenburg
   rickkedenb...@optonline.net
  
   On Mar 18, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Larry Federman wrote:
  
   Yes, this is a State issue. Our State Senator 

Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County

[John Cancalosi]

This isn't hunting. These "hunters" should be made to "eat crow".


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Stella Miller wrote:

> They took down the announcement on the timeline
>  where several of us had commented.  Glad to see there is an official
> event to post on.  Thanks Larry!
>
> Stella
>
>
>
>
>
> "Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
> holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
> to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
> people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man." Thomas
> Lovejoy
>   --
>  *From:* Larry Federman 
> *To:* Jonathan Perez ; Richard <
> richardpguth...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Lynne Hertzog ; Cesar Castillo <
> czar3...@yahoo.com>; NYSBIRDS-L ; Jim Osterlund <
> james...@optonline.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:26 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
>
>  Yes, this is a State issue.  Our State Senator is Cecilia Tkaczyk and
> our Assembly member is Pete Lopez.  Our US congressman is Chris Gibson.  I
> will be reaching out to all of their offices.
>
> But, as we all know, 'legally' the club has a right to do this.
>
> And  their Facebook page is still up -
> https://www.facebook.com/events/258725434301388/
>
> Larry Federman
> President, Northern Catskills Audubon
>
>  *From:* Jonathan Perez 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 8:28 AM
> *To:* Richard 
> *Cc:* Lynne Hertzog  ; Cesar 
> Castillo;
> NYSBIRDS-L  ; Jim Osterlund
> *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County
>
>  Lopez is the assemblyman. Tonko is the congressman. As a congressional
> aide we had calls all the time from state level complaints. For a district
> I would start with the congressman and petition for a local contact.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Richard  wrote:
>
>  The congressman is actually Peter Lopez. But I think this is a rule
> generated or regulated at the state level.
>
> Sent from my wireless tin can
>
> On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:56, Jonathan Perez 
> wrote:
>
>I am no longer in the metro area, but still a member of the list.  As
> I am in DC, I usually think of who is the representative.
> Paul Tonko, a Congressional Democrat in the House represents Palenville.
>
> Here is his contact from a general Google search.
> http://tonko.house.gov/contact-me/
>
> Hope that helps! This is inhumane, indeed.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>  Jonathan A. Perez
>
> J.D. Candidate
> American University Washington College of Law, 2015
> M.A., University of Virginia, 2008
> B.A., Bowdoin College 2005
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Lynne Hertzog wrote:
>
> Here is the page from the DEC on crow shooting.
> Doesn't seem right, shooting crows, at any time of year.
> http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/65847.html
> Lynne Hertzog
>  On Mar 16, 2014 11:22 PM, "Cesar Castillo"  wrote:
>
>  Is this just for sport, or is there a valid reason for this?
> This reminds me of
> The Birds of Killingworth by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>
>
>  On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:46 PM, Jim Osterlund 
> wrote:
>  There aren't usually organized shoots, but you can "hunt" Corvids in
> Suffolk County 4 days a week for half the year -- September through March.
> They make no distinction of species, so I suppose our feeble return of
> *Corvus* *corax*  only adds targets.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County

[John Cancalosi]

This isn't hunting. These hunters should be made to eat crow.


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Stella Miller stella.mille...@yahoo.comwrote:

 They took down the announcement on the timeline
  where several of us had commented.  Glad to see there is an official
 event to post on.  Thanks Larry!

 Stella





 Conservation is sometimes perceived as stopping everything cold, as
 holding whooping cranes in higher esteem than people. It is up to science
 to spread the understanding that the choice is not between wild places or
 people, it is between a rich or an impoverished existence for Man. Thomas
 Lovejoy
   --
  *From:* Larry Federman birderla...@verizon.net
 *To:* Jonathan Perez jonathan.ape...@gmail.com; Richard 
 richardpguth...@gmail.com
 *Cc:* Lynne Hertzog lynnehert...@gmail.com; Cesar Castillo 
 czar3...@yahoo.com; NYSBIRDS-L nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; Jim Osterlund 
 james...@optonline.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:26 AM

 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County

  Yes, this is a State issue.  Our State Senator is Cecilia Tkaczyk and
 our Assembly member is Pete Lopez.  Our US congressman is Chris Gibson.  I
 will be reaching out to all of their offices.

 But, as we all know, 'legally' the club has a right to do this.

 And  their Facebook page is still up -
 https://www.facebook.com/events/258725434301388/

 Larry Federman
 President, Northern Catskills Audubon

  *From:* Jonathan Perez jonathan.ape...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 8:28 AM
 *To:* Richard richardpguth...@gmail.com
 *Cc:* Lynne Hertzog lynnehert...@gmail.com ; Cesar 
 Castilloczar3...@yahoo.com;
 NYSBIRDS-L nysbirds-l@cornell.edu ; Jim Osterlundjames...@optonline.net
 *Subject:* Re: [nysbirds-l] Crow Shoot scheduled in Greene County

  Lopez is the assemblyman. Tonko is the congressman. As a congressional
 aide we had calls all the time from state level complaints. For a district
 I would start with the congressman and petition for a local contact.

 Good luck.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Richard richardpguth...@gmail.com wrote:

  The congressman is actually Peter Lopez. But I think this is a rule
 generated or regulated at the state level.

 Sent from my wireless tin can

 On Mar 17, 2014, at 6:56, Jonathan Perez jonathan.ape...@gmail.com
 wrote:

I am no longer in the metro area, but still a member of the list.  As
 I am in DC, I usually think of who is the representative.
 Paul Tonko, a Congressional Democrat in the House represents Palenville.

 Here is his contact from a general Google search.
 http://tonko.house.gov/contact-me/

 Hope that helps! This is inhumane, indeed.

 -Jonathan

  Jonathan A. Perez

 J.D. Candidate
 American University Washington College of Law, 2015
 M.A., University of Virginia, 2008
 B.A., Bowdoin College 2005



 On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Lynne Hertzog lynnehert...@gmail.comwrote:

 Here is the page from the DEC on crow shooting.
 Doesn't seem right, shooting crows, at any time of year.
 http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/65847.html
 Lynne Hertzog
  On Mar 16, 2014 11:22 PM, Cesar Castillo czar3...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Is this just for sport, or is there a valid reason for this?
 This reminds me of
 The Birds of Killingworth by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow


  On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:46 PM, Jim Osterlund james...@optonline.net
 wrote:
  There aren't usually organized shoots, but you can hunt Corvids in
 Suffolk County 4 days a week for half the year -- September through March.
 They make no distinction of species, so I suppose our feeble return of
 *Corvus* *corax*  only adds targets.
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left becuase of yell

[John Cancalosi]

As a lowly photographer ,(not the one in question), I am grateful for yet
another reminder that I, and those like me, are inextricably wallowing in a
Stygian morass of moral terpitude, while those of a higher calling look
down in righteuos judgement upon our nefarious activities, with both of
their feet firmly planted on the immutable, lofty pinnacles of moral high
ground.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:43 AM, McIntyre, Annie (LI) <
annie.mcint...@parks.ny.gov> wrote:

> Folks let’s not do this AGAIN. Photogs vs birders… we’ve all seen
> offenders on both sides. It’s a pleasure reading this list to hear about
> the birds that are around, but not so much the squabbles. Better done in
> private conversation.
>
>
>
> Good birding!
>
> Annie McIntyre
>
>
>
> *From:* bounce-111084078-10774...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-111084078-10774...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Lake, Thomas R
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:38 AM
> *To:* Meena Madhav Haribal; NYSBIRDS-L
> *Subject:* RE:[nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left
> becuase of yell
>
>
>
>
>
> * "If the photographer was approaching very cautiously and did not make
> the owl scared of him then he has not done anything wrong except he has
> approached closer."*
>
>
>
> *Buy better optics! Getting closer is **NEVER** the answer.*
>
>
>
> *Tom Lake*
> --
>
> *From:* bounce-111084023-26920...@list.cornell.edu [
> bounce-111084023-26920...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Meena Madhav
> Haribal [m...@cornell.edu]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:49 AM
> *To:* NYSBIRDS-L
> *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left
> becuase of yell
>
> Hello all,
>
> Bob Adamo wrote this and I have highlighted his reactions!
>
>
>
> Subject: 1 Snowy, + 1 terrible photographer = 1 stressed bird + 1 call to
> the cops !
>  From: robert adamo 
>  Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:42:29 -0500
>  X-Message-Number: 13
>
>   " I stopped, got out of my car, and *yelled to*
> * him to stop, that what he was doing was against the law*. He heard me
> and
>  dismissed me. I then took his license plate #, and called the police. I
> * called out to him again, he listened to all I said, and proceeded to
> move*
> * closer to the bird, after telling me "there are no signs saying I can't*".
>  While I was still on the phone, the snowy took off, heading west. The
>  police said they were responding, and armed with the plate # and
>  description of the idiot's SUV, they might catch up to him !
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I felt I must say something here. If the photographer was approaching very
> cautiously and did not make the owl scared of him then he has not done
> anything wrong except he has approached closer. Sometimes animals can
> tolerate non-scary humans and permit them to go close enough. So it is
> better to observe photographers behavior and the animal's reaction before
> being officious and call police. All you know the bird must have got
> disturbed by your (Bob Adamo's) yelling at him and all the following
> activities as probably the owl perceived it as two encounters approaching
> him/her.
>
>
>
> I have observed birders, including those who call themselves as experts
> do all sort of things, for example, chasing a tired migratory bird till
> they have had satisfied look. Oh! They seem to have right because they are
> birders and not photographers. So birders have right to do whatever they
> feel is right even though the birds may be stressed for example by
> continuously playing playbacks (Oh boy! how many of those I have seen). I
> have had amazing experiences when I have approached the birds or animals
> very cautiously and slowly in a non-threatening way. They even have kind of
> responded to me in a positive way.  So by being closer if you are not
> threatening the subjects of your interest then there is nothing wrong as
> long as you know when and where to stop.
>
>
>
> The knee-jerk reaction of being closer equals threatening birds is a wrong
> notion. So be careful of your own reactions.  And also have patience to
> observe the behavior of the photographers before you decide to take any
> actions! So best thing is if someone is photographing a bird is to leave
> the location ASAP for the photographer to get a good photo as he has
> approached the bird before you have!
>
>
>
>
>
> Meena
>
> PS: I am not a bird photographer, though occasionally I shoot birds but
> mostly insect photographer where the insects have let me approach them as
> close as a centimeter and still they have not flown away and shown amazing
> behaviors!
>
>
>
> Meena Haribal
>
> Ithaca NY 14850
>
> 42.429007,-76.47111
>
> http://haribal.org/
>
> http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left becuase of yell

[John Cancalosi]

As a lowly photographer ,(not the one in question), I am grateful for yet
another reminder that I, and those like me, are inextricably wallowing in a
Stygian morass of moral terpitude, while those of a higher calling look
down in righteuos judgement upon our nefarious activities, with both of
their feet firmly planted on the immutable, lofty pinnacles of moral high
ground.


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:43 AM, McIntyre, Annie (LI) 
annie.mcint...@parks.ny.gov wrote:

 Folks let’s not do this AGAIN. Photogs vs birders… we’ve all seen
 offenders on both sides. It’s a pleasure reading this list to hear about
 the birds that are around, but not so much the squabbles. Better done in
 private conversation.



 Good birding!

 Annie McIntyre



 *From:* bounce-111084078-10774...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
 bounce-111084078-10774...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Lake, Thomas R
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:38 AM
 *To:* Meena Madhav Haribal; NYSBIRDS-L
 *Subject:* RE:[nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left
 becuase of yell





 * If the photographer was approaching very cautiously and did not make
 the owl scared of him then he has not done anything wrong except he has
 approached closer.*



 *Buy better optics! Getting closer is **NEVER** the answer.*



 *Tom Lake*
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 *From:* bounce-111084023-26920...@list.cornell.edu [
 bounce-111084023-26920...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Meena Madhav
 Haribal [m...@cornell.edu]
 *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:49 AM
 *To:* NYSBIRDS-L
 *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left
 becuase of yell

 Hello all,

 Bob Adamo wrote this and I have highlighted his reactions!



 Subject: 1 Snowy, + 1 terrible photographer = 1 stressed bird + 1 call to
 the cops !
  From: robert adamo radamo4...@gmail.com
  Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:42:29 -0500
  X-Message-Number: 13

I stopped, got out of my car, and *yelled to*
 * him to stop, that what he was doing was against the law*. He heard me
 and
  dismissed me. I then took his license plate #, and called the police. I
 * called out to him again, he listened to all I said, and proceeded to
 move*
 * closer to the bird, after telling me there are no signs saying I can't*.
  While I was still on the phone, the snowy took off, heading west. The
  police said they were responding, and armed with the plate # and
  description of the idiot's SUV, they might catch up to him !







 I felt I must say something here. If the photographer was approaching very
 cautiously and did not make the owl scared of him then he has not done
 anything wrong except he has approached closer. Sometimes animals can
 tolerate non-scary humans and permit them to go close enough. So it is
 better to observe photographers behavior and the animal's reaction before
 being officious and call police. All you know the bird must have got
 disturbed by your (Bob Adamo's) yelling at him and all the following
 activities as probably the owl perceived it as two encounters approaching
 him/her.



 I have observed birders, including those who call themselves as experts
 do all sort of things, for example, chasing a tired migratory bird till
 they have had satisfied look. Oh! They seem to have right because they are
 birders and not photographers. So birders have right to do whatever they
 feel is right even though the birds may be stressed for example by
 continuously playing playbacks (Oh boy! how many of those I have seen). I
 have had amazing experiences when I have approached the birds or animals
 very cautiously and slowly in a non-threatening way. They even have kind of
 responded to me in a positive way.  So by being closer if you are not
 threatening the subjects of your interest then there is nothing wrong as
 long as you know when and where to stop.



 The knee-jerk reaction of being closer equals threatening birds is a wrong
 notion. So be careful of your own reactions.  And also have patience to
 observe the behavior of the photographers before you decide to take any
 actions! So best thing is if someone is photographing a bird is to leave
 the location ASAP for the photographer to get a good photo as he has
 approached the bird before you have!





 Meena

 PS: I am not a bird photographer, though occasionally I shoot birds but
 mostly insect photographer where the insects have let me approach them as
 close as a centimeter and still they have not flown away and shown amazing
 behaviors!



 Meena Haribal

 Ithaca NY 14850

 42.429007,-76.47111

 http://haribal.org/

 http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/





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