RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
Tell them it works like Linux... :-) Will -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of woodelf Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing OK, all of you saying that the public is clueless about D20/OGL, you get to say i told you so: I just followed a link to the WotC boards, looking for something else. And there, in a thread about the release of DD3.5E, is someone sayin' i just don't get this whole OGL thing--how does WotC expect to make any money if they give their books away? [i'm paraphrasing, but not by much]. Three years later, and this is someone who's at least sufficiently net-savvy to know it exists, and to be chatting online. And he doesn't actually know how the whole D20STL thing works, in terms of a business model. And the original D20SRD certainly hasn't made WotC bankrupt, so assuming that they are somehow giving it all away seems vaguely ludicrous, and yet here he is asking just that. OK, you win (whoever you are)--we've still got a long way to go in making open gaming a viable beast, and giving D20 System some reasonable fraction of the oomph of DD on a book. -- woodelf* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://webpages.charter.net/woodelph/ The Laws of Anime http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm: #8 Second Law of Temporal Mortality It takes some time for bad guys to die... regardless of physical damage. Even when the 'Bad Guys' are killed so quickly they didn't even see it coming, it takes them a while to realize they are dead. This is attributed to the belief that being evil damages the Reality Lobe of the brain. ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
On 21 Jul 2003 William scribbled a note about RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing: Tell them it works like Linux... So does that make Hasbro the equivalent of SCO? :) TANSTAAFL Rasyr (Tim Dugger) System Editor Iron Crown Enterprises - http://www.ironcrown.com E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
Tim Dugger wrote: On 21 Jul 2003 William scribbled a note about RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing: Tell them it works like Linux... So does that make Hasbro the equivalent of SCO? Only if Hasbro starts trying to sue people who make d20 products. ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
My thoughts exactly but it wouldn't be Hasbro that would do the suing. It would be some company they sell the IP to later on. You'd want to take a step or two back from the franchise so as not to get your own hands dirty. QUEUE_THEME_X-FILES/ Will -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Looney Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing Tim Dugger wrote: On 21 Jul 2003 William scribbled a note about RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing: Tell them it works like Linux... So does that make Hasbro the equivalent of SCO? Only if Hasbro starts trying to sue people who make d20 products. ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
[Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
Don't know if their web-staff jumped the gun, or if it's just up nice and early, but the 3.5 SRD is up on WotC's website. More after I digest it--but on first looks, I must say that I am very impressed with it. Still RTF, but with real tables--and monster descriptions. Andy, if you're still on the list--you rock! DM ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 22:39, Martin L. Shoemaker wrote: And by comparison, on Amazon.com, the DD Players Handbook is currently ranked 15 in sales (DMG is 16, MM is 19). The day it shipped, the 3.0 PHB hit #3, behind a Harry Potter book and a Tom Clancy novel. :) Ryan ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
From: Doug Meerschaert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't know if their web-staff jumped the gun, or if it's just up nice and early, but the 3.5 SRD is up on WotC's website. Wow, talk about a different definition of midnight! ;) That must have just hit, I just double checked the SRD there with the Mind Flayer thread on DND-L earlier. Oh well, thanks for the heads up I grabbed it before it gets, umm, fanboyed? -Damian ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
From: Doug Meerschaert [EMAIL PROTECTED] More after I digest it--but on first looks, I must say that I am very impressed with it. Still RTF, but with real tables--and monster descriptions. Tables and monster descriptions?? I know I'm looking at the 3.5 SRD, but I'm not seeing any of those things. Can you give me some examples? -Damian ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
Thanks, Doug. The web team didn't jump the gun, I just forgot that we had said it would be up within a few days of the book's release. Let's just blame that on burnout from working on the SRD for a month straight. After I was reminded of our promised release date I begged to have it pushed forward. Looks like it worked. Andy Smith Publishing/d20 Licensing Wizards of the Coast, Inc. -Original Message- From: Doug Meerschaert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly) Don't know if their web-staff jumped the gun, or if it's just up nice and early, but the 3.5 SRD is up on WotC's website. More after I digest it--but on first looks, I must say that I am very impressed with it. Still RTF, but with real tables--and monster descriptions. Andy, if you're still on the list--you rock! DM ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
At 05:03 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, Doug Meerschaert wrote: Don't know if their web-staff jumped the gun, or if it's just up nice and early, but the 3.5 SRD is up on WotC's website. More after I digest it--but on first looks, I must say that I am very impressed with it. Still RTF, but with real tables--and monster descriptions. Andy, if you're still on the list--you rock! Wow, From Legal.rtf: The following items are designated Product Identity, as defined in Section 1(e) of the Open Game License Version 1.0a, and are subject to the conditions set forth in Section 7 of the OGL, and are not Open Content: Dungeons Dragons, DD, Dungeon Master, Monster Manual, d20 System, Wizards of the Coast, d20, Forgotten Realms, Faerûn, character names (including those used in the names of spells or items), places, Red Wizard of Thay, Heroic Domains of Ysgard, Ever-Changing Chaos of Limbo, Windswept Depths of Pandemonium, Infinite Layers of the Abyss, Tarterian Depths of Carceri, Gray Waste of Hades, Bleak Eternity of Gehenna, Nine Hells of Baator, Infernal Battlefield of Acheron, Clockwork Nirvana of Mechanus, Peaceable Kingdoms of Arcadia, Seven Mounting Heavens of Celestia, Twin Paradises of Bytopia, Blessed Fields of Elysium, Wilderness of the Beastlands, Olympian Glades of Arborea, Concordant Domain of the Outlands, Sigil, Lady of Pain, Book of Exalted Deeds, Book of Vile Darkness, beholder, gauth, carrion crawler, tanarri, baatezu, displacer beast, githyanki, githzerai, mind flayer, illithid, umber hulk, yuan-ti. No more Wizards doesn't have PI rebuttals. Glad I got a look before heading out to GenCon. Joe Joe Mucchiello Throwing Dice Games http://www.throwingdice.com ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
At 02:20 PM 7/21/2003 -0700, Smith, Andrew wrote: Let's just blame that on burnout from working on the SRD for a month straight. Well, from what I've seen of your work so far, let me commend you on the result. The revised SRD looks great! Thanks for all of your hard (and, I'm sure, tedious) work. Sixten ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
From: Joe Mucchiello [EMAIL PROTECTED] mind flayer, illithid, Odd, they didn't put the Illithid back in. I guess that was since they're mentioned elsewhere like the Grimlock entry. -Damian ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
At 05:32 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, Joe Mucchiello wrote: No more Wizards doesn't have PI rebuttals. Do any of those terms actually occur in the files? (I'm looking, but I just discovered that the ZIP versions are still the 3.0 SRD files, and have NOT been updated.) Sixten ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
--- Joe Mucchiello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Legal.rtf: The following items are designated Product Identity, as defined in Section 1(e) of the Open Game License Version 1.0a, and are subject to the conditions set forth in Section 7 of the OGL, and are not Open Content: Ever-Changing Chaos of Limbo, Windswept Depths of Pandemonium, Infinite Layers of the Abyss, Tarterian Depths of Carceri, Gray Waste of Hades, Bleak Eternity of Gehenna, Nine Hells of Baator, Infernal Battlefield of Acheron, Clockwork Nirvana of Mechanus, Peaceable Kingdoms of Arcadia, Seven Mounting Heavens of Celestia, Twin Paradises of Bytopia, Blessed Fields of Elysium, Wilderness of the Beastlands, Olympian Glades of Arborea, Concordant Domain of the Outlands, ... Note that the words Limbo, Pandemonium, Abyss, Carceri, Hades, Gehenna, Hell, } Acheron, Mechanus, Arcadia, Heaven, Elysium, Beastlands, Arborea, and Outlands are not, in and of themselves, PI... So you could REFER to these planes without violating PI. = BORGSTROM'S FIRST LAW (of Game Design): If you want to emphasize something, make sure everyone knows that they shouldn't have anything to do with it. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
Sixten Otto wrote: Do any of those terms actually occur in the files? (I'm looking, but I just discovered that the ZIP versions are still the 3.0 SRD files, and have NOT been updated.) The mini-ZIPs do. DM ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
I downloaded the master ZIP file. Did anyone else finding it missing Barbarian-Monk character classes? I found those elsewhere on the SRD page. Also, somebody told me Rangers have a d8 for HD. Is that right? The SRD says d10. Lee
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
In a message dated 7/21/03 6:05:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do any of those terms actually occur in the files? (I'm looking, but I just discovered that the ZIP versions are still the 3.0 SRD files, and have NOT been updated.) Oops -- that may explain my puzzlement over Rangers... The ZIP files are fouled up. Thanks, Lee
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
*chuckle* Except the Psionic one doesn't seem to be downloading, but since psionics hasn't been updated.. you can download the psionics stuff through the master zip file and then just download the rest of the mini-zip files. Doug Meerschaert wrote: Sixten Otto wrote: Do any of those terms actually occur in the files? (I'm looking, but I just discovered that the ZIP versions are still the 3.0 SRD files, and have NOT been updated.) The mini-ZIPs do. DM ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l -- [Statements may appear harsher than they are due to healing after Wisdom Tooth removal.. please adjust your reading accordingly] ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 23:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded the master ZIP file. Did anyone else finding it missing Barbarian-Monk character classes? I found those elsewhere on the SRD page. Also, somebody told me Rangers have a d8 for HD. Is that right? The SRD says d10. As Doug said, the big zip still has the old SRD in. The smaller zips do seem to have the new one, though. And rangers have a d8 for HD. -- David Chart http://www.dchart.demon.co.uk/ PGP Key: 1786 15B1 53A3 7ED0 CBD4 AFBE 9B61 6D10 46C9 1CBE ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
At 05:42 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, Sixten Otto wrote: At 05:32 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, Joe Mucchiello wrote: No more Wizards doesn't have PI rebuttals. Do any of those terms actually occur in the files? (I'm looking, but I just discovered that the ZIP versions are still the 3.0 SRD files, and have NOT been updated.) Apparently not, this list was just in case a mistake was made most likely. The All of the SRD zip has not been updated. The 5 SRD chunks are the 3.5 SRD. Even the Hells of Baator are replaced (in the pit fiend entry) with Environment: A lawful evil-aligned plane ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
At 11:31 PM 7/21/2003 +0100, David Chart wrote: As Doug said, the big zip still has the old SRD in. The smaller zips do seem to have the new one, though. True. The Psionics zip seems to be MIA, though. Sixten ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
I'm thinking that I'll wait a while before I download the new SRD. I'd hate to start work on something only to later find out that half of what I was using were 3.0 files mistakenly left on the site, or something of the sort. Steven Conan Trustrum Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.trustrum.com The only real people are the people that never existed -- Oscar Wilde ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
At 10:25 -0400 7/21/03, William Wise wrote: Tell them it works like Linux... ...except a Linux where anybody can develop anything they want, except a new TCP/IP stack, and no matter what you do or how good it is, your changes will never be reincorporated into new Linux builds. -- woodelf* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://webpages.charter.net/woodelph/ The Laws of Anime http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm: #8 Second Law of Temporal Mortality It takes some time for bad guys to die... regardless of physical damage. Even when the 'Bad Guys' are killed so quickly they didn't even see it coming, it takes them a while to realize they are dead. This is attributed to the belief that being evil damages the Reality Lobe of the brain. ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
From: Smith, Andrew Thanks, Doug. The web team didn't jump the gun, I just forgot that we had said it would be up within a few days of the book's release. Let's just blame that on burnout from working on the SRD for a month straight. After I was reminded of our promised release date I begged to have it pushed forward. Looks like it worked. Andy Smith Publishing/d20 Licensing Wizards of the Coast, Inc. You better get those web team back on the job. Some of the links are broken. One thread offered the corrected links. OBTW, the SRDTreasure.rtf document is the same as the original and not formatted with the rest of the Revised SRD. IOW, the charts and tables are bleah compared to the other sections. One more thing, where is the original SRD? ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] d20 License/ was SRD released
Greetings. Has/Will the d20 System license document change? Thanks. -Roger ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
--- woodelf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:25 -0400 7/21/03, William Wise wrote: Tell them it works like Linux... ...except a Linux where anybody can develop anything they want, except a new TCP/IP stack, and no matter what you do or how good it is, your changes will never be reincorporated into new Linux builds. Think so? Take a look in some of the recent Dragon magazines, where they've published OGC content. That's now available to a HUGE number of games. = BORGSTROM'S FIRST LAW (of Game Design): If you want to emphasize something, make sure everyone knows that they shouldn't have anything to do with it. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
At 17:08 -0700 7/21/03, Fred wrote: --- woodelf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:25 -0400 7/21/03, William Wise wrote: Tell them it works like Linux... ...except a Linux where anybody can develop anything they want, except a new TCP/IP stack, and no matter what you do or how good it is, your changes will never be reincorporated into new Linux builds. Think so? Take a look in some of the recent Dragon magazines, where they've published OGC content. That's now available to a HUGE number of games. it's still not being incorporated into the kernel. not saying it never will, but until WotC decides to take all that cool OGC floating around out there and make the next version of DD the latest, cutting-edge game they can, using the very best ideas out there, DD itself isn't directly benefitting from open-source development. Indirectly, sure, from the whole network externalities thing. But not from the many monkeys thing. and since WotC doesn't own Dragon any more, it's even less like reworking the core stuff than it would've been had a WotC-owned Dragon published unofficial game stuff. -- woodelf* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://webpages.charter.net/woodelph/ The Laws of Anime http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm: #8 Second Law of Temporal Mortality It takes some time for bad guys to die... regardless of physical damage. Even when the 'Bad Guys' are killed so quickly they didn't even see it coming, it takes them a while to realize they are dead. This is attributed to the belief that being evil damages the Reality Lobe of the brain. ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
At 18:36 -0400 7/21/03, Joe Mucchiello wrote: At 05:42 PM 7/21/2003 -0400, Sixten Otto wrote: Do any of those terms actually occur in the files? Apparently not, this list was just in case a mistake was made most likely. more likely, it's because now they have a leg to stand on if they want to stop people putting d20 in the title of their non-D20STL book. And other similar things--the vast majority of those terms likely couldn't be trademarked, so they, previously, had no power to stop others using them. Also, the wording of the WotC OGL restrictions on trademark aren't nearly as strong as those on PI, so it gives them more power to keep others from using them. -- woodelf* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://webpages.charter.net/woodelph/ The Laws of Anime http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm: #8 Second Law of Temporal Mortality It takes some time for bad guys to die... regardless of physical damage. Even when the 'Bad Guys' are killed so quickly they didn't even see it coming, it takes them a while to realize they are dead. This is attributed to the belief that being evil damages the Reality Lobe of the brain. ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
de-activating cloak OK, Had to stick this into the argument, here... 1) The "kernel" If WOTC (and the mass of gamers)could afford to have monthly updates to the core rulebooks, they would. BUT... the large majority of gamers that i know are complaining about the upgrade to 3.5 because of the cost. 2) Dragon Magazine is (according to the cover, as if there was ever any doubt) "100% Official" Therefore, it's as close as it comes to the montly updates, and each and every game wherein the DM or one of the players has a subscription benefits from the many monkeys. re-activating cloakwoodelf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 17:08 -0700 7/21/03, Fred wrote:--- woodelf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:it's still not being incorporated into "the kernel". not saying it never will, but until WotC decides to take all that cool OGC floating around out there and make the next version of DD the latest, cutting-edge game they can, using the very best ideas out there, DD itself isn't directly benefitting from open-source development. Indirectly, sure, from the whole "network externalities" thing. But not from the "many monkeys" thing.and since WotC doesn't own Dragon any more, it's even less like reworking the core stuff than it would've been had a WotC-owned Dragon published unofficial game stuff.-- "I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature."-- Thomas Jefferson |\ /| |\ |\ \ / /\ \| || |\/| |\ |\/| | X | |/ |\ X \/ | | | | | |/ | | |/ \| |\ | / \ /\ |\ | | | | |\ | | Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly)
On 21 Jul 2003 woodelf scribbled a note about Re: [Ogf-l] SRD released (apparantly): more likely, it's because now they have a leg to stand on if they want to stop people putting d20 in the title of their non-D20STL book. And other similar things--the vast majority of those terms likely couldn't be trademarked, so they, previously, had no power to stop others using them. Also, the wording of the WotC OGL restrictions on trademark aren't nearly as strong as those on PI, so it gives them more power to keep others from using them. Except that to use d20 in the title, a company would apparently only have to use the 3.0 SRD as their base, rather than the 3.5 SRD. At least, that is what I see happening here. TANSTAAFL Rasyr (Tim Dugger) System Editor Iron Crown Enterprises - http://www.ironcrown.com E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
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Hey, Andy! Let me add another chorus of Good job, man! ...and also a tiny refrain of The srdpsionicpowersijklmnop.rtf file seems to be missing, though. -- Joe Crow/Glasscastle Productions d20 Games and Campaign Settings/Freelance Game Writing ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing
I VERY MUCH believe that some third-party material WILL be making it into the 'kernel' next spring. Remember the accidental reissue of the psionics chapter when they did the final SRD release? Those prestige classes from If Thoughts Could Kill were in it instead of the ones from the PsiHB. And the PsiHB3.5 comes out in the spring, so here's my $10 bet that we'll see some third-party material in it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of woodelf Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Ogf-l] understanding the D20 licensing At 17:08 -0700 7/21/03, Fred wrote: --- woodelf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:25 -0400 7/21/03, William Wise wrote: Tell them it works like Linux... ...except a Linux where anybody can develop anything they want, except a new TCP/IP stack, and no matter what you do or how good it is, your changes will never be reincorporated into new Linux builds. Think so? Take a look in some of the recent Dragon magazines, where they've published OGC content. That's now available to a HUGE number of games. it's still not being incorporated into the kernel. not saying it never will, but until WotC decides to take all that cool OGC floating around out there and make the next version of DD the latest, cutting-edge game they can, using the very best ideas out there, DD itself isn't directly benefitting from open-source development. Indirectly, sure, from the whole network externalities thing. But not from the many monkeys thing. and since WotC doesn't own Dragon any more, it's even less like reworking the core stuff than it would've been had a WotC-owned Dragon published unofficial game stuff. -- woodelf* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://webpages.charter.net/woodelph/ The Laws of Anime http://www.abcb.com/laws/index.htm: #8 Second Law of Temporal Mortality It takes some time for bad guys to die... regardless of physical damage. Even when the 'Bad Guys' are killed so quickly they didn't even see it coming, it takes them a while to realize they are dead. This is attributed to the belief that being evil damages the Reality Lobe of the brain. ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l ___ Ogf-l mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
