Re: [Ogf-l] Re: OGL Logo
Clark said, Terms may not change, but enforcement sure does. The Prometheus project violates no part of the OGL of which I am aware, which was the implied claim of the original email to which I was replying. In the context of that comment, I have to stand by my claim. Future kings in the Halls of WotC may not like the OGL and the d20SRD, but the terms of the license are what they are. There exists no term violations to enforce. In other words, if Prometheus violates some arcane misunderstood term of the OGL, so do the rest of you (as nothing Prometheus does is unknown in whole or in part in many other works) and we have all based our respective products/projects on a misunderstanding of the OGL---which would be unfortunate. I tend to believe that amongst all the various lawyers all of us have spoken with, at least one of them would have raised the red flag if the terms of the OGL were somehow dangerously mercurial or if there were enforcement leeway on those terms that made them so. Notwithstanding an out-of-the-blue unfounded claim from WotC (something outlandish like the SCO/Linux lawsuit claims), I do not believe, nor do I think you believe, that WotC has the ability to enforce the OGL in a /wildly/ different manner than that which we understand and expect. Now the d20STL is another matter entirely, and that is the very point that caused me to move to an alternative to that logo/license. Tom Caudron ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] Re: OGL Logo
Tom, Out of curiosity, who is using this Prometheus logo/license? Outside of this list I've never seen it. Chris Helton - Original Message From: Tom Caudron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:16:43 AM Subject: Re: [Ogf-l] Re: OGL Logo Clark said, Terms may not change, but enforcement sure does. The Prometheus project violates no part of the OGL of which I am aware, which was the implied claim of the original email to which I was replying. In the context of that comment, I have to stand by my claim. Future kings in the Halls of WotC may not like the OGL and the d20SRD, but the terms of the license are what they are. There exists no term violations to enforce. In other words, if Prometheus violates some arcane misunderstood term of the OGL, so do the rest of you (as nothing Prometheus does is unknown in whole or in part in many other works) and we have all based our respective products/projects on a misunderstanding of the OGL---which would be unfortunate. I tend to believe that amongst all the various lawyers all of us have spoken with, at least one of them would have raised the red flag if the terms of the OGL were somehow dangerously mercurial or if there were enforcement leeway on those terms that made them so. Notwithstanding an out-of-the-blue unfounded claim from WotC (something outlandish like the SCO/Linux lawsuit claims), I do not believe, nor do I think you believe, that WotC has the ability to enforce the OGL in a /wildly/ different manner than that which we understand and expect. Now the d20STL is another matter entirely, and that is the very point that caused me to move to an alternative to that logo/license. Tom Caudron ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] 2nd still
Because its not, the first open system was the material they snagged from 3.0. Thats it from WotC. Only the material in the SRD is open (as it applies to WotC). Jonathan M. Thompson President, Battlefield Press, Inc. (http://www.battlefieldpress.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / AIM - GreyLnsman Open Core Role Playing System Ted Nomura's Luftwaffe 1946 Role Playing Game - Available now. Pulp Fantasyd20 campaign setting- Coming Soon Men of Mystery: A Game of Weird Menaces in the days of WWII using the Unisystem - Coming in 2007 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Conner Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 10:22 AM To: Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org Subject: [Ogf-l] 2nd still Why is 2nd not an OGL system?? I don't wanna have to convert my whole world to 3rd or 3.5. There are some things I don't like in that system. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 8/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 8/16/2006 ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] 2nd still
Why is 2nd not an OGL system?? Because WotC has chosen not to open it up. I don't wanna have to convert my whole world to 3rd or 3.5. No one's making you convert. In fact, 3.0 has been out since 2000. As you've obviously not converted over to 3.0/3.5, I don't know what you're complaining about. There are some things I don't like in that system. So if you do convert, house rule out the things you don't like. Paul W. King ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] 2nd still
On Aug 17, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Daniel Conner wrote: Why is 2nd not an OGL system?? Because WotC has not released it under the OGL. I don't wanna have to convert my whole world to 3rd or 3.5. There are some things I don't like in that system. Then check out OSRIC! http://knights-n-knaves.com/osric/index.html (Extra punctuation makes all the difference!!) ;) ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] 2nd still
Why is 2nd not an OGL system?? I don't wanna have to convert my whole world to 3rd or 3.5. There are some things I don't like in that system. What exactly did you want to do? Publish your world using 2nd edition stats?I hate to rain on your parade, but that's probably a really... unprofitable idea. But unless you want to publish something using 2E (which as I mentioned is a bad idea) then OGL or non-OGL doesn't really matter. ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
[Ogf-l] Re: OGL Logo
From: Chris Helton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Out of curiosity, who is using this Prometheus logo/license? Outside of this list I've never seen it. Who all is using this, I don't know, but we've released five with OPenDie and for with Prometheus. We wouldn't want to be without it. I know there are others. Mark Oliva Webmaster, the Vintyri Project (TM) Internet: http://www.vintyri.com E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] 2nd
You may want to take a look at this: http://www.knights-n-knaves.com/osric/ --Steve CreechExecutive Chairman, d20 Magazine Rackhttp://d20zines.com ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] Re: OGL Logo
Yeah, I agree that is the danger of any license. But discounting the sort of out-of-the-blue legal upset that could derail us all (and is unlikely in the extreme), I guess all I'm trying to say is that Prometheus is not particularly at risk above other d20srd-based works, which was the original implication I was addressing. Tom Caudron Administrator of the Prometheus Project http://www.PrometheusGaming.com On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 08:10 -0700, Steven Trustrum wrote: I tend to believe that amongst all the various lawyers all of us have spoken with, at least one of them would have raised the red flag if the terms of the OGL were somehow dangerously mercurial or if there were enforcement leeway on those terms that made them so. No matter how many lawyers one personally consults on the OGL (I've contacted two myself for different reasons), or how many speak up on lists such as this, I've learned there's still always a lawyer out there who brings up an entirely new way of looking at the license. Some are pretty outlandish and still, at this late date, continue to hold to the sort of paranoia not seen since the OGL's first days. Steven Trustrum President Misfit Studios http://www.misfit-studios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
RE: [Ogf-l] 2nd
-Original Message- From: Steve Creech Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:12 AM To: ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ogf-l] 2nd You may want to take a look at this: http://www.knights-n-knaves.com/osric/ Been wondering what OSRIC mean, which I saw the terms being thrown around the ENWorld messageboards. So, basically it present old-school rules without copying or lifting the text off copyrighted rulebooks? ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] 2nd still
On Aug 17, 2006, at 9:21 AM, Daniel Conner wrote: Why is 2nd not an OGL system?? I don't wanna have to convert my whole world to 3rd or 3.5. There are some things I don't like in that system. Someone already said it, and I'll repeat it: You want to go check out OSRIC. http://www.knights-n-knaves.com/osric/Daniel M. PerezHighmoon Media Productionswww.HighmoonMedia.com Products available at: RPGnow.com, DriveThruRPG.com, e23,ENWorld Game Store Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
Re: [Ogf-l] 2nd still
Title: Re: [Ogf-l] 2nd still Re:OSRIC Their license page is simply incorrect in many of its assertations. To the extent that the charts of ability scores do not represent a non-linear mathmatical function (i.e., the figures are arbitrarily made up by the original writer) they're protected by copyright and can't be reused without permission. To the extent that the class racial limitations and individual power descriptions and level dependent abilities and game modifiers match those of ADD (any edition) and are not the result of a simple linear mathematical function, those templates represent selection, arrangement and presentation copyrights inherent in ADD and suffer the same limitations. Spell names which are not OGC but are in ADD and are not obvious (i.e. they contain some creative element) are copyright by WotC. The 'to hit' charts, to the extent that they represent non-linear functions, are protected by WotC copyright. In summary: I wouldn't touch this without SERIOUS work to ensure everything I used was actually OGC. Ryan ___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
[Ogf-l] Publisher support for OSRIC?
On Aug 17, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Ryan Dancey wrote: Re:OSRIC ...In summary: I wouldn't touch this without SERIOUS work to ensure everything I used was actually OGC.It has been reported the Expeditious Retreat Press is going to be supporting it with published products. Supposedly two lawyers have also looked at the documents and given thumbs up.At least those who are writing the OSRIC documents are reporting as much on this ENWorld thread:http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=171670Regards,Eric Anondson___ Ogf-l mailing list Ogf-l@mail.opengamingfoundation.org http://mail.opengamingfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ogf-l
