[Call for Review]121058 - [From Symphony]To open a sample file contains chart with large data source can lead to Symphony crash

[Clarence GUO]

HI~
Have a code review request,
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121058.

Thanks & BRs,
Clarence

[Call for Review]120962 - [From Symphony]Chart data lost if the source data refers to a range name which is defined as a reference formula

[Clarence GUO]

HI~
I have a code review request,
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120962
This defect is indeed a feature gap. Chart of AOO doesn't support range
name which use a reference formula, not only in UI, but also in core
function and filter.
Although it needs a total solution to make the feature available, I still
want this temporary solution at a bug fix level because it needs some time
to implement the feature. The fix will translate a range name which use a
reference formula to a actural range. So that means after saving, the range
instead of the formula will be saved, the original formula in chart range
will be lost.

Thanks & BRs
Clarence

[Call For Review][2003 Filter]2 data pilot bugs

[Jianyuan Li]

Hi, all,

I have fixes for two data pilot issues. Can anyone help review? Thanks.
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121071
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119514(Based on the fix for
121071)


Regards,
Jianyuan

Re: vigra broken

[Pedro Giffuni]

Got it thanks...

(should only happen on Windows, I think)

 I am fixing.


Pedro.


- Original Message -
> From: Ariel Constenla-Haile 
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:43 PM
> Subject: vigra broken
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> as the subject says, vigra is broken (on Windows, at least; didn't try
> yet on Linux). See attachment.
> 
> 
> Regards
> -- 
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina
>

vigra broken

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

Hi, 

as the subject says, vigra is broken (on Windows, at least; didn't try
yet on Linux). See attachment.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
build -- version: 275224


=
Building module basebmp
=

Entering /cygdrive/y/apache/clean/trunk/main/basebmp/source

Compiling: basebmp/source/bitmapdevice.cxx
C:/ARCHIV~1/MICROS~1.0/VC/bin/cl.exe  -Zm500 -Zc:forScope,wchar_t- -GR -GS -c 
-nologo -Gs  -Gy -Ob1 -Oxs -Oy- -DENABLE_LAYOUT=0 
-DENABLE_LAYOUT_EXPERIMENTAL=0 -Gd  -I. -I..//wntmsci12.pro/inc/wrapper 
-I../inc -I..//inc/pch -I..//inc -I..//WIN/inc -I..//wntmsci12.pro/inc -I. 
-IY:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc/stl 
-IY:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc/external 
-IY:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc 
-IY:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solenv/wntmsci12/inc 
-IY:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solenv/inc -IY:/apache/clean/trunk/main/res 
-IY:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc/stl 
-IC:/ARCHIV~1/Java/JDK16~2.0_1/include/win32 
-IC:/ARCHIV~1/Java/JDK16~2.0_1/include 
-IC:/ARCHIV~1/MICROS~3/Windows/v6.1/include -IC:/ARCHIV~1/MICROS~1.0/VC/include 
-IC:/ARCHIV~1/MI599E~1/include -IC:/ARCHIV~1/MI599E~1/include  
-IY:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc/offuh -I. -I..//res 
-I. -Wall -wd4061 -wd4127 -wd4191 -wd4217 -wd4250 -wd4251 -wd4275 -wd4290 
-wd4294 -wd4355 -wd4511 -wd4512 -wd4514 -wd4611 -wd4625 -wd4626 -wd4640 
-wd4675 -wd4710 -wd4711 -wd4786 -wd4800 -wd4820 -wd4503 -wd4619 -wd4365 
-wd4668 -wd4738 -wd4826 -wd4350 -wd4505 -wd4692 -wd4189 -wd4005 -wd4180   
-DWNT -DWNT -DNT351 -DMSC -DM1500 -DINTEL -D_X86_=1 -D_CRT_SECURE_NO_DEPRECATE 
-D_CRT_NONSTDC_NO_DEPRECATE -D_CRT_NON_CONFORMING_SWPRINTFS -DFULL_DESK 
-DBOOST_MEM_FN_ENABLE_CDECL -DSTLPORT_VERSION=400 -D_MT -DWINVER=0x0500 
-D_WIN32_WINNT=0x0500 -D_WIN32_IE=0x0500 -DCPPU_ENV=msci -DSUPD=350 -DPRODUCT 
-DNDEBUG -DOSL_DEBUG_LEVEL=0 -DOPTIMIZE -DCUI -DSOLAR_JAVA   -DSHAREDLIB 
-D_DLL_ -DWIN32 -D_MT -D_DLL -DWIN32 -D_MT -D_DLL  -EHa -DEXCEPTIONS_ON  
-Fo..//wntmsci12.pro/slo/bitmapdevice.obj 
Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/basebmp/source/bitmapdevice.cxx 
bitmapdevice.cxx
Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(439) 
: error C2668: 'vigra::abs' : ambiguous call to overloaded function

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(111):
 could be 'short vigra::abs(short)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(110):
 or   'signed char vigra::abs(signed char)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(103):
 or   'unsigned __int64 vigra::abs(unsigned __int64)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(102):
 or   'unsigned long vigra::abs(unsigned long)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(101):
 or   'unsigned int vigra::abs(unsigned int)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(100):
 or   'unsigned short vigra::abs(unsigned short)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(99): 
or   'unsigned char vigra::abs(unsigned char)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(98): 
or   'bool vigra::abs(bool)'
while trying to match the argument list '(int)'
Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(441) 
: error C2668: 'vigra::abs' : ambiguous call to overloaded function

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(111):
 could be 'short vigra::abs(short)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(110):
 or   'signed char vigra::abs(signed char)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(103):
 or   'unsigned __int64 vigra::abs(unsigned __int64)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(102):
 or   'unsigned long vigra::abs(unsigned long)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(101):
 or   'unsigned int vigra::abs(unsigned int)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(100):
 or   'unsigned short vigra::abs(unsigned short)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(99): 
or   'unsigned char vigra::abs(unsigned char)'

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(98): 
or   'bool vigra::abs(bool)'
while trying to match the argument list '(long)'
Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main/solver/350/wntmsci12.pro/inc\vigra/mathutil.hxx(443) 
: error C2668: 'vigra::abs' : ambiguous call to overloaded function

Y:/apache/clean/trunk/main

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[zhangjf]

Hi,

Here is my proposed list of 10,

Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison)
Drew Jensen (atjensen)
Jian Hong Cheng (chengjh)
Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
Kay Schenk (kschenk)
Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
Regina Henschel (regina)
Wang Lei (leiw)

regards,
zhangjf


On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
> Here's a quick update with the progress so far.
>
>  * We have had 14 people provide lists.
>  * 32 people have been identified (listed below)
>  * 22 people have shown up more than twice, 3 people are on 10 lists.
>  * I think we cover 5 continents, and a pretty wide distribution by
>self appointed tasks
>
> Here's the current list of names (alphabetical by first name)
>
>
>Andre Fischer (af)
>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>Andrew Rist (arist)
>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>Armin Le Grand (alg)
>Claudio Filho (filhocf)
>Dave Fischer (wave)
>Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>Hagar Delest (hagar)
>Herbert Duerr (hdu)
>
>Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>Jian Fang Zhang (zhangjf)
>Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>Maho NAKATA (maho)
>Marcus Lange (marcus)
>Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>Peter Junge (pj)
>Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>
>Regina Henschel (regina)
>RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>Rob Weir (robweir)
>Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>Shen Feng Liu (liushenfeng)
>Thomas J. Frazier (yj)
>
>Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>Yuri Dario (ydario)
>
> If you have not provided your list yet (and especially if you think someone
> is missing...)
> There is no better time than now!
>
> A.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2012 10:49 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> To clarify:
>>
>> 1) I'll put together my list of 10 on Sunday.
>>
>> 2) I agree with Louis that a wiki page that lists the names so far makes
>> sense, but I don't think it should have counts until the process is done.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2012, at 12:08 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dave, I'm puzzled.
>>>
>>> I thought this thread and the one on which nominations are being made was
>>> at the initiative of Andrew Rist.
>>>
>>> Are you and he collaborating on compilation of the results?
>>>
>>> It would be great if there was a single compilation of the results, it
>>> could be verified by anyone, and there can be subsequent discussion on what
>>> to make of it, if anything.
>>>
>>> - Dennis
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 06:06
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Ross Gardler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On 20 September 2012 11:49, sebb  wrote:
>
> Once a PMC exists, new members must be nominated and discussed on the
> private@tlp list.
> Votes are held on the private list, so is not secret, but it is not
> public either.

 There are very few *must* items in the ASF. In fact it is up to the
 PMC to decide how and where the decision is made. When voting on
 people most, but not all, projects do it in private.
>>>
>>> Apache POI is an example. The PMC considers the public vote to be an
>>> incentive for contributors. Since votes happen very infrequently it does not
>>> add a lot of traffic to the lists.
>>>
>>> I think that process here is proceeding well. I hope to put together a
>>> list on Sunday when I return home.
>>>
>>> If a wiki is created before then perhaps it should list only names
>>> without a count. That way we can all see if anyone is missing.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
 Ross
>
>

Re: [code] building trunk, rev. 1386983 break in setup_native

[Pedro Giffuni]

Hi Oliver;

To be honest, I have no idea why we are getting the linking error,
but yes if defining your own local scope_array function stops the
error , it's OK. This is debugging code so we can live with the
duplicity.

FWIW, I noticed the build on linux is broken due to a checksum
mismatch in the English dictionary :(.

Pedro.



>
> From: Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:32 AM
>Subject: Re: [code] building trunk, rev. 1386983 break in setup_native
> 
>Hi,
>
>Hi,
>
>
>On 19.09.2012 20:00, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

 On 19.09.2012 08:44, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>   Hi,
>
>   On 19.09.2012 04:50, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>   Hi again;
>>
>>   I tried something in revision 1387438: basically I preserved some
>>   configuration changes from the previous patchset.
>>
>
>   Thanks
>   I will try.
>

 The build with --enable-dbgutil still breaks in setup_native.

>>>
>>> I did a small cleanup of the FreeBSD specific patch but sadly,
>>> I am afraid I ran out of my Windows-fu :(.
>>>
>>> I found this
>>> http://cubicspot.blogspot.com/2007/06/solving-pesky-lnk2005-errors.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it may be something really simple, but we need a Windows
>>> expert here.
>>>
>>> It would be really sad to have to revert the update so I hope someone
>>> steps in!
>>>
>>
>> I do not think that it is needed to revert the boost update.
>> The problem only occurs when building with --enable-dbgutil and it is quite 
>> easy
>> to get rid of the boost::scoped_array usage in the corresponding small code
>> snippet.
>>
>
>Does the attached patch make sense in order to get rid of the problem by 
>removing the usage of boost::scoped_array?
>
>Thx in advance for your feedback.
>
>Best regards, Oliver.
>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Alexandro Colorado]

I think he said mkt

On 9/20/12, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>
> On 12-09-20, at 18:43 , Albino B Neto  wrote:
>
>> I am subscribe in lists of AOO: announce, commits, dev, l10n, mkt,
>> pvt, qa, user.
>
> What, not marketing?
> :-)
>
> Louis
>
>


-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

On 12-09-20, at 18:43 , Albino B Neto  wrote:

> I am subscribe in lists of AOO: announce, commits, dev, l10n, mkt,
> pvt, qa, user.

What, not marketing?
:-)

Louis

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Albino B Neto]

Hi.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
> If you have not provided your list yet (and especially if you think someone
> is missing...)
> There is no better time than now!

+1

- Albino Neto (bino28)

I am not away, returning slowly, after work personal. (:

I am subscribe in lists of AOO: announce, commits, dev, l10n, mkt,
pvt, qa, user.

Albino

Re: [DISCUSS][Linux]Drop distro specific RPMs

[Kay Schenk]

On 09/20/2012 02:39 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:



On 09/20/2012 05:15 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

On 9/20/12, RGB ES  wrote:

2012/9/19 Kay Schenk 


On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Kay Schenk 
wrote:




On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:34 AM, RGB ES  wrote:


2012/8/26 Kay Schenk :

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:13 AM, RGB ES  wrote:


This time I installed not the "suse" desktop integration RPM but
the
"freedesktop" one, and it worked without problems. If someone
confirm
that this is the same for fedora and mandriva then I think we can
safely drop those distro specific RPMs and offer only one, like we
offer only one .deb on the debian packages.

What do you think?

Regards
Ricardo






OK, I finally did this. I uninstalled the opensuse menu setup and just
installed the freedestop.org rpm. Everything is working. But I too
am on
opensuse. It would be great to have folks from other distros test this
out.




I'm trying to gather some feedback from forum people. Let's see what
happens on a couple of days.

Regards
Ricardo


you can see the code here:
http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20(trunk)/sysui/desktop/


Browsing through the spec, they look quite different process through a
vimdiff including some icon definition, and scripts present on a
script.
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/?diff=1832891


yes, the specs for freedesktop.org (locations,etc.) are different than
for standard locations of maybe gnome or kde.

The main thing about using this exclusively is how well/how much a
particular distro implements the freedesktop.org spec I think.

I'm researching that now... it may take a little bit of time though.
Looks like RedHat actually started this ball rolling so I can only
assume that Fedora folks wold be OK, here. Some of the others I don't know.






Ok, my very preliminary research shows that the majority of RPM based 
distros (Fedora, RedHat, opensuse,) have been implementing 
freedesktop.org specs for a while ( > 2 yrs), and the the 
architecture/spec seems to be in use in debian-based distros as well -- 
Debian, Ubuntu. We would need to ascertain if this suite is implemented 
by default in those.






--

MzK

"We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly
 being filled.  The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and
 let the beautiful stuff out."
 -- Ray Bradbury, "Zen in the Art of Writing"

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Louis Suárez-Potts]

My list:

(Haven't had time to do the wiki; been involved in meets and -ings.)
 
This is a provisional list. Given the nature of the beast, it is meant to 
propose those who can broaden the project's ambit and reach, and it also does a 
pitiful job of that.
-louis



  Dave Fischer (wave)
  Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
  Drew Jensen (atjensen)
  ürgen Schmidt (jsc)
  Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
  Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
  Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
  Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
  Regina Henschel (regina)
  RGB.ES (rgb-es)

Re: [DISCUSS][Linux]Drop distro specific RPMs

[Kay Schenk]

On 09/20/2012 05:15 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

On 9/20/12, RGB ES  wrote:

2012/9/19 Kay Schenk 


On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:




On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:34 AM, RGB ES  wrote:


2012/8/26 Kay Schenk :

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:13 AM, RGB ES  wrote:


This time I installed not the "suse" desktop integration RPM but
the
"freedesktop" one, and it worked without problems. If someone
confirm
that this is the same for fedora and mandriva then I think we can
safely drop those distro specific RPMs and offer only one, like we
offer only one .deb on the debian packages.

What do you think?

Regards
Ricardo






OK, I finally did this. I uninstalled the opensuse menu setup and just
installed the freedestop.org rpm. Everything is working. But I too am on
opensuse. It would be great to have folks from other distros test this
out.




I'm trying to gather some feedback from forum people. Let's see what
happens on a couple of days.

Regards
Ricardo


you can see the code here:
http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20(trunk)/sysui/desktop/

Browsing through the spec, they look quite different process through a
vimdiff including some icon definition, and scripts present on a
script.
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/?diff=1832891


yes, the specs for freedesktop.org (locations,etc.) are different than 
for standard locations of maybe gnome or kde.


The main thing about using this exclusively is how well/how much a 
particular distro implements the freedesktop.org spec I think.


I'm researching that now... it may take a little bit of time though. 
Looks like RedHat actually started this ball rolling so I can only 
assume that Fedora folks wold be OK, here. Some of the others I don't know.







--

MzK

"We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly
 being filled.  The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and
 let the beautiful stuff out."
 -- Ray Bradbury, "Zen in the Art of Writing"

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[David McKay]

On 20/09/12 19:32, Andrew Rist wrote:

Here's a quick update with the progress so far.

 * We have had 14 people provide lists.
 * 32 people have been identified (listed below)
 * 22 people have shown up more than twice, 3 people are on 10 lists.
 * I think we cover 5 continents, and a pretty wide distribution by
   self appointed tasks

Here's the current list of names (alphabetical by first name)

   Andre Fischer (af)
   Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
   Andrew Rist (arist)
   Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
   Armin Le Grand (alg)
   Claudio Filho (filhocf)
   Dave Fischer (wave)
   Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
   Drew Jensen (atjensen)
   Hagar Delest (hagar)
   Herbert Duerr (hdu)
   Ian Lynch (ingotian)
   Jian Fang Zhang (zhangjf)
   Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
   Kay Schenk (kschenk)
   Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
   Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
   Maho NAKATA (maho)
   Marcus Lange (marcus)
   Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
   Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
   Peter Junge (pj)
   Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
   Regina Henschel (regina)
   RGB.ES (rgb-es)
   Rob Weir (robweir)
   Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
   Shen Feng Liu (liushenfeng)
   Thomas J. Frazier (yj)
   Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
   Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
   Yuri Dario (ydario)

If you have not provided your list yet (and especially if you think 
someone is missing...)

There is no better time than now!

A.


Here's my list:

Dave Fischer
Donald Harbison
Drew Jensen
Hagar Delest
Wolf Halton
Ian Lynch
Jürgen Schmidt
Pedro Giffuni
Peter Junge
RGB.ES

Dave.




On 9/20/2012 10:49 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:

To clarify:

1) I'll put together my list of 10 on Sunday.

2) I agree with Louis that a wiki page that lists the names so far 
makes sense, but I don't think it should have counts until the 
process is done.


Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2012, at 12:08 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" 
 wrote:



Dave, I'm puzzled.

I thought this thread and the one on which nominations are being 
made was at the initiative of Andrew Rist.


Are you and he collaborating on compilation of the results?

It would be great if there was a single compilation of the results, 
it could be verified by anyone, and there can be subsequent 
discussion on what to make of it, if anything.


- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 06:06
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Ross Gardler 
 wrote:



On 20 September 2012 11:49, sebb  wrote:

Once a PMC exists, new members must be nominated and discussed on the
private@tlp list.
Votes are held on the private list, so is not secret, but it is not
public either.

There are very few *must* items in the ASF. In fact it is up to the
PMC to decide how and where the decision is made. When voting on
people most, but not all, projects do it in private.
Apache POI is an example. The PMC considers the public vote to be an 
incentive for contributors. Since votes happen very infrequently it 
does not add a lot of traffic to the lists.


I think that process here is proceeding well. I hope to put together 
a list on Sunday when I return home.


If a wiki is created before then perhaps it should list only names 
without a count. That way we can all see if anyone is missing.


Regards,
Dave


Ross

Re: Apache OpenOffice Awarded Two InfoWorld Bossie (Best of Open Source Software) Awards

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 20/09/2012 RGB ES wrote:

2012/9/19 Rob Weir

And now we receive awards both for the product,
but also for one of the legacy web services.


Yes, and it is also very interesting to notice that the Templates site 
is available in a dozen languages, and entirely community-driven (and by 
this I mean the community at large; I believe most of the templates come 
from ordinary users, who for example do not even post to ooo-dev or 
engage in other community activities).



The news are now on the EN, ES and IT forums


And on the mailing list in Italian.


(and on my blog...)


Why don't you repost it to http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/ then? Rob 
recently asked for help and indeed it would be nice to have more authors 
there...


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Andrew Rist]

Here's a quick update with the progress so far.

 * We have had 14 people provide lists.
 * 32 people have been identified (listed below)
 * 22 people have shown up more than twice, 3 people are on 10 lists.
 * I think we cover 5 continents, and a pretty wide distribution by
   self appointed tasks

Here's the current list of names (alphabetical by first name)

   Andre Fischer (af)
   Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
   Andrew Rist (arist)
   Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
   Armin Le Grand (alg)
   Claudio Filho (filhocf)
   Dave Fischer (wave)
   Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
   Drew Jensen (atjensen)
   Hagar Delest (hagar)
   Herbert Duerr (hdu)
   Ian Lynch (ingotian)
   Jian Fang Zhang (zhangjf)
   Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
   Kay Schenk (kschenk)
   Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
   Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
   Maho NAKATA (maho)
   Marcus Lange (marcus)
   Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
   Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
   Peter Junge (pj)
   Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
   Regina Henschel (regina)
   RGB.ES (rgb-es)
   Rob Weir (robweir)
   Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
   Shen Feng Liu (liushenfeng)
   Thomas J. Frazier (yj)
   Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
   Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
   Yuri Dario (ydario)

If you have not provided your list yet (and especially if you think 
someone is missing...)

There is no better time than now!

A.




On 9/20/2012 10:49 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:

To clarify:

1) I'll put together my list of 10 on Sunday.

2) I agree with Louis that a wiki page that lists the names so far makes sense, 
but I don't think it should have counts until the process is done.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2012, at 12:08 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton"  wrote:


Dave, I'm puzzled.

I thought this thread and the one on which nominations are being made was at 
the initiative of Andrew Rist.

Are you and he collaborating on compilation of the results?

It would be great if there was a single compilation of the results, it could be 
verified by anyone, and there can be subsequent discussion on what to make of 
it, if anything.

- Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 06:06
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Ross Gardler  wrote:


On 20 September 2012 11:49, sebb  wrote:

Once a PMC exists, new members must be nominated and discussed on the
private@tlp list.
Votes are held on the private list, so is not secret, but it is not
public either.

There are very few *must* items in the ASF. In fact it is up to the
PMC to decide how and where the decision is made. When voting on
people most, but not all, projects do it in private.

Apache POI is an example. The PMC considers the public vote to be an incentive 
for contributors. Since votes happen very infrequently it does not add a lot of 
traffic to the lists.

I think that process here is proceeding well. I hope to put together a list on 
Sunday when I return home.

If a wiki is created before then perhaps it should list only names without a 
count. That way we can all see if anyone is missing.

Regards,
Dave


Ross

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Dave Fisher]

To clarify:

1) I'll put together my list of 10 on Sunday.

2) I agree with Louis that a wiki page that lists the names so far makes sense, 
but I don't think it should have counts until the process is done.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2012, at 12:08 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton"  wrote:

> Dave, I'm puzzled.  
> 
> I thought this thread and the one on which nominations are being made was at 
> the initiative of Andrew Rist.
> 
> Are you and he collaborating on compilation of the results?
> 
> It would be great if there was a single compilation of the results, it could 
> be verified by anyone, and there can be subsequent discussion on what to make 
> of it, if anything.
> 
> - Dennis
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 06:06
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List
> 
> On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Ross Gardler  wrote:
> 
>> On 20 September 2012 11:49, sebb  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Once a PMC exists, new members must be nominated and discussed on the
>>> private@tlp list.
>>> Votes are held on the private list, so is not secret, but it is not
>>> public either.
>> 
>> There are very few *must* items in the ASF. In fact it is up to the
>> PMC to decide how and where the decision is made. When voting on
>> people most, but not all, projects do it in private.
> 
> Apache POI is an example. The PMC considers the public vote to be an 
> incentive for contributors. Since votes happen very infrequently it does not 
> add a lot of traffic to the lists.
> 
> I think that process here is proceeding well. I hope to put together a list 
> on Sunday when I return home.
> 
> If a wiki is created before then perhaps it should list only names without a 
> count. That way we can all see if anyone is missing.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> 
>> Ross
> 

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[Roberto Galoppini]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Raphael Bircher 
> wrote:
> > But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker
> > for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project.
> >
> > I'm willing to host a seeding peer
>
> Wouldn´t this impact on the tracking of downloads? I mean... the
> SourceForge download stats will no longer be the true download count.
> How would Apache track torrent downloads and add the numbers to the
> SF.net stats?.
>
> I think this is a valid concern...
>

It depends on the infrastructure you use to serve torrents. Most of them
provide the total number of downloads.
The Apache OpenOffice download counter uses SF APIs, it should just add
those to the total.

Roberto


>
> Plus, torrents are good to save on bandwidth, but lack of bandwidth
> with SF.net´s network of world-wide mirrors doesn´t seem to be the
> case here. So, again, why the need for a torrent?. "because it´s cool"
> doesn´t hold, IMHO...
> FC
>

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RE: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Just for clarification, please.

When you say voting is secret for ASF members and Board members, that there is 
a way to ensure only eligible voters cast at most one ballot, but the voters 
are not identified?  That is, it is not known who voted and what their vote was?

That is generally what is meant by a secret ballot.  A private ballot is one 
where the participants know what votes were cast (as in the case of a committer 
vote on a private list) but the individual votes are not available generally, 
although the vote can be audited by authorities having oversight (as in the 
committer vote case).

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: sebb [mailto:seb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 02:49
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[ ... ]

ASF members are nominated on the members list (and in members-only files).
ASF member voting is secret.

Board members are nominated on the members list.
Voting is secret.

[ ... ]

RE: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

Dave, I'm puzzled.  

I thought this thread and the one on which nominations are being made was at 
the initiative of Andrew Rist.

Are you and he collaborating on compilation of the results?

It would be great if there was a single compilation of the results, it could be 
verified by anyone, and there can be subsequent discussion on what to make of 
it, if anything.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 06:06
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Ross Gardler  wrote:

> On 20 September 2012 11:49, sebb  wrote:
>> 
>> Once a PMC exists, new members must be nominated and discussed on the
>> private@tlp list.
>> Votes are held on the private list, so is not secret, but it is not
>> public either.
> 
> There are very few *must* items in the ASF. In fact it is up to the
> PMC to decide how and where the decision is made. When voting on
> people most, but not all, projects do it in private.

Apache POI is an example. The PMC considers the public vote to be an incentive 
for contributors. Since votes happen very infrequently it does not add a lot of 
traffic to the lists.

I think that process here is proceeding well. I hope to put together a list on 
Sunday when I return home.

If a wiki is created before then perhaps it should list only names without a 
count. That way we can all see if anyone is missing.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Ross

Re: [User Docs] What do we as a community want for user documentation or AOO

[RGB ES]

2012/9/16 Keith N. McKenna 

> Greetings All;
>
> In order to stimulate some discussion on user documentation I have added
> the hollowing page to the User Documentation Plan on the Plannig Wiki:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/User+Guides+Revisted.
> It offers 3 scenarios or the creation of the docs. I believe that we can no
> longer put this issue aside.
>

I added a child page were I think aloud about scenario 3 and start the
discussion about how to organize the documentation if we decide to build
our own

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Details+on+Scenario+3

Regards
Ricardo


> Please take a look at the page and eel free to comment there and on this
> list. Also feel free to add to or change any content there.
>
> Regards
> Keith N. McKenna
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS][Linux]Drop distro specific RPMs

[Kay Schenk]

On 09/20/2012 05:15 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

On 9/20/12, RGB ES  wrote:

2012/9/19 Kay Schenk 


On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:




On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:34 AM, RGB ES  wrote:


2012/8/26 Kay Schenk :

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:13 AM, RGB ES  wrote:


This time I installed not the "suse" desktop integration RPM but
the
"freedesktop" one, and it worked without problems. If someone
confirm
that this is the same for fedora and mandriva then I think we can
safely drop those distro specific RPMs and offer only one, like we
offer only one .deb on the debian packages.

What do you think?

Regards
Ricardo






OK, I finally did this. I uninstalled the opensuse menu setup and just
installed the freedestop.org rpm. Everything is working. But I too am on
opensuse. It would be great to have folks from other distros test this
out.




I'm trying to gather some feedback from forum people. Let's see what
happens on a couple of days.

Regards
Ricardo


you can see the code here:
http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20(trunk)/sysui/desktop/


Thanks for providing this link...

A slight edit to my results. Only my personal account was a bit off 
after installation, probably due to some changes I had made previously 
to get the icons to show up correctly. My "guest" account was set up 
perfectly after the freedesktop.org installation.


I spent some time this am looking into the freedesktop.org site in terms 
of what it does, what it is trying to accomplish etc. It certainly would 
be great if we could go this way. I look forward to hearing about 
others's experiences.


Browsing through the spec, they look quite different process through a
vimdiff including some icon definition, and scripts present on a
script.
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/?diff=1832891



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Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[Albino B Neto]

Hi

A brief knowledge about P2P (Peer-to-Peer)

The principial goal is to share anything you want.

How do?
You create a TORRENT file on your computer and upload it to a public
or private tracker, so it will just stay and just TORRENT file will be
downloaded to your computer / server.

I hope I helped.

Albino

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[Albino B Neto]

Hi.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> I doubt they would set one up just for us.  And most other Apache
> projects have much smaller distributions, so I don't think there is a
> wider Apache need for this.

I also think.

> Could we just use a public tracker, like PublicBitTorrent?  And host
> the .torrent files on our website, linked to from the download page
> (or a page under it)?

Yeah! Could was good idea. Maybe so in principle can use.

Other public trakcer:
http://www.mininova.org/ - Has know.
http://www.torentcrestin.net/

Albino

Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[Herbert Duerr]

On 20.09.2012 22:20, Herbert Duerr wrote:

On 20.09.2012 16:54, TJ Frazier wrote:

On 9/20/2012 00:12, Herbert Duerr wrote:

On 19.09.2012 20:34, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:24:11PM +0200, Oliver Brinzing wrote:

Hi Regina,


Your own new issue should be UNCONFIRMED. Someone else should confirm
your issue, if possible on a different operating system.


i am pretty sure that i did not set the "confirmed" status when
submitting a new issue,
default status is "confirmed" - and you have to select "Show Advanced
Fields"
to see the listbox ... this seems to be the root cause of the problem
...


I agree with Oliver, the default status should be set to UNCONFIRMED
even if the reporter has canconfirm privileges. IMHO "confirmed" means
"confirmed by some else".


Seeing so much consensus I'm confident that we'll reach "lazy consensus"
by next monday (2012/9/19 + 72h) and I volunteer to change the behavior
then.

So please speak up now if you disagree with the opinion that the extra
step to the "confirmed" status is an idea that does benefit the quality
of our project.

Herbert


+1

Just for the record, is this as simple as removing the check-mark from
one entry in BZ > Administration > Bug Status Workflow ?


 From a testing standpoint having the policy that a "confirmed" status
means that another member has reproduced the problem (eventually on
another platform) means more testing effort by some factor. That may
have a positive or a negative effect on the quality.

Another possibility could be that a reporter with can-confirm karma
feels confident enough can set the status to confirmed himself/herself.
Having to do an extra step could be sufficient for our goals.

Coming back to your question: Yes, from the admin standpoint the
requested change is as simple as switching a bit. An eventual
multiplication of the testing effort is worth some consideration though
and "just switching bits because it is easy" shouldn't be done without
having reached some consensus on this topic.


For completeness I'd also like to mention that there is AFAIK no way in 
Bugzilla as of 4.2 to set the default status of new issues to 
UNCONFIRMED for members with can-confirm karma.


If I interpret the contributions to the discussion right there already 
were two opinions disapproving of switching the qa-process to fully 
independent confirmation. Having an issue reporter take an extra step 
for confirming an issue could be a reasonable compromise.


On the question of mis-confirmed issues maybe we should also have a new 
discussion on who should get canconfirm-karma. The spectrum of options 
is wide. The current practice is that some bz-admins give full bits to 
everyone who asks for them and other bz-admins elevate the bits only for 
contributors who showed reasonable experience and merit in that topic 
(see the 2012/06 ooo-dev thread for details). Maybe we could even employ 
the same process used for committer-rights such as discussing and voting 
on each candidate in the private lists, but that option is IMHO on the 
way-too-heavy side.


Herbert

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Donald Whytock  wrote:
> Has anyone asked/is anyone asking Infra about a torrent tracker?
>

I doubt they would set one up just for us.  And most other Apache
projects have much smaller distributions, so I don't think there is a
wider Apache need for this.

Could we just use a public tracker, like PublicBitTorrent?  And host
the .torrent files on our website, linked to from the download page
(or a page under it)?

-Rob

> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Albino B Neto  wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
>>> Hi Rory
>>>
>>> Am 30.08.12 12:57, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
 This morning the en-Forum received the following query
 http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=55992

 To save you looking it up, the User asked if there would be a torrent 
 connection for AOO 3.4.x, as there had been for OOo 3.3 and earlier.
>>> At the Moment no. But it's not the first request for torrent. Torrent
>>> would be also interesting for unofficial Developer builds, to distribute
>>> the load a bit on defferent computer. The problem is: at the Moment we
>>> have no Torrent Tracker.
>>
>> Yeah!
>>
>>> But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker
>>> for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project.
>>>
>>> I'm willing to host a seeding peer
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>> I can help create torrent tracker, but first remember how do.
>>
>> Albino

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[RGB ES]

2012/9/20 Fernando Cassia 

> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Raphael Bircher 
> wrote:
> > But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker
> > for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project.
> >
> > I'm willing to host a seeding peer
>
> Wouldn´t this impact on the tracking of downloads? I mean... the
> SourceForge download stats will no longer be the true download count.
> How would Apache track torrent downloads and add the numbers to the
> SF.net stats?.
>
> I think this is a valid concern...
>
> Plus, torrents are good to save on bandwidth, but lack of bandwidth
> with SF.net´s network of world-wide mirrors doesn´t seem to be the
> case here. So, again, why the need for a torrent?. "because it´s cool"
> doesn´t hold, IMHO...
>

Agree. IMO, we can help our users a lot more by pointing them to an
opensource, multi-platform download manager like uGet, downthemall! firefox
extension and others.

Regards
Ricardo

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[Donald Whytock]

It's more than cool.  A proper torrent client is a step up from an
ordinary download manager in that it's tolerant of both poor
connections and instances of blocked paths to a specific connection.
It doesn't resume interrupted downloads as much as handle downloads in
whatever quantities it can get.

I have a cable modem in a Washington DC area suburb, and yet my
connection's sufficiently flaky that torrenting works better than
direct-downloading, even with a download manager.  I assume a lot of
the world isn't as well-connected as me.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
>> But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker
>> for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project.
>>
>> I'm willing to host a seeding peer
>
> Wouldn´t this impact on the tracking of downloads? I mean... the
> SourceForge download stats will no longer be the true download count.
> How would Apache track torrent downloads and add the numbers to the
> SF.net stats?.
>
> I think this is a valid concern...
>
> Plus, torrents are good to save on bandwidth, but lack of bandwidth
> with SF.net´s network of world-wide mirrors doesn´t seem to be the
> case here. So, again, why the need for a torrent?. "because it´s cool"
> doesn´t hold, IMHO...
> FC

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[Fernando Cassia]

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
> But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker
> for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project.
>
> I'm willing to host a seeding peer

Wouldn´t this impact on the tracking of downloads? I mean... the
SourceForge download stats will no longer be the true download count.
How would Apache track torrent downloads and add the numbers to the
SF.net stats?.

I think this is a valid concern...

Plus, torrents are good to save on bandwidth, but lack of bandwidth
with SF.net´s network of world-wide mirrors doesn´t seem to be the
case here. So, again, why the need for a torrent?. "because it´s cool"
doesn´t hold, IMHO...
FC

Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[Yong Lin Ma]

Sure. This is not to blame anyone. We are all here to contribute.

We all can learn and grow from this. On the other hand, it proved
again that expertise is needed to open high quality issues.


On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Regina Henschel
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yong Lin Ma schrieb:
>
>> -1.
>>
>> Herbert,
>> I would like to save you the effort to make the change, even if it
>> won't cost much.
>>
>> The key thing here is we should be careful and avoid opening duplicate
>> or invalid issues as many as we can.
>>
>> I would like to see some concrete examples, especially invalid issues.
>> And see if this is pervasive for all the reporters who have confirm
>> right.
>
>
> I will not blame single reporters here, please look yourself.
>
> You can search this way:
> Switch to "Advanced Search"
> Near the bottom of the page expand "Custom Search"
> From the first drop down list choose "Resolution", from the second list
> "changed to", and in the third field write INVALID, or write DUPLICATE or
> -if you want both- list them as INVALID,DUPLICATE.
>
> To constrain your search to a specific period, for example issues since
> April, use a second row. From first drop down list choose "Creation date",
> from second list "is greater than or equal to", and in the third field write
> a date in ISO form, for example "2012-04-01".
>
> Search
>
> If the reporter is not shown in the bug list, scroll to the end of the bug
> list and click on "Change Columns". Move "Reporter" from the left list to
> the right list.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
Regards

Yong Lin Ma

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[Issac Goldstand]

I asked infra yesterday - no ack yet...

On 9/20/2012 5:26 PM, Donald Whytock wrote:

Has anyone asked/is anyone asking Infra about a torrent tracker?

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Albino B Neto  wrote:

Hi.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:

Hi Rory

Am 30.08.12 12:57, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

This morning the en-Forum received the following query
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=55992

To save you looking it up, the User asked if there would be a torrent 
connection for AOO 3.4.x, as there had been for OOo 3.3 and earlier.

At the Moment no. But it's not the first request for torrent. Torrent
would be also interesting for unofficial Developer builds, to distribute
the load a bit on defferent computer. The problem is: at the Moment we
have no Torrent Tracker.

Yeah!


But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker
for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project.

I'm willing to host a seeding peer

Me too.

I can help create torrent tracker, but first remember how do.

Albino

Re: [code] building trunk, rev. 1386983 break in setup_native

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

Hi,


On 19.09.2012 20:00, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:


On 19.09.2012 08:44, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

  Hi,

  On 19.09.2012 04:50, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

  Hi again;

  I tried something in revision 1387438: basically I preserved some
  configuration changes from the previous patchset.



  Thanks
  I will try.



The build with --enable-dbgutil still breaks in setup_native.



I did a small cleanup of the FreeBSD specific patch but sadly,
I am afraid I ran out of my Windows-fu :(.

I found this
http://cubicspot.blogspot.com/2007/06/solving-pesky-lnk2005-errors.html


I think it may be something really simple, but we need a Windows
expert here.

It would be really sad to have to revert the update so I hope someone
steps in!



I do not think that it is needed to revert the boost update.
The problem only occurs when building with --enable-dbgutil and it is quite easy
to get rid of the boost::scoped_array usage in the corresponding small code
snippet.



Does the attached patch make sense in order to get rid of the problem by 
removing the usage of boost::scoped_array?


Thx in advance for your feedback.

Best regards, Oliver.
diff --git 
a/main/setup_native/source/win32/customactions/shellextensions/copyeditiondata.cxx
 
b/main/setup_native/source/win32/customactions/shellextensions/copyeditiondata.cxx
index a881da3..055cc6d 100644
--- 
a/main/setup_native/source/win32/customactions/shellextensions/copyeditiondata.cxx
+++ 
b/main/setup_native/source/win32/customactions/shellextensions/copyeditiondata.cxx
@@ -38,8 +38,6 @@
 #pragma warning(pop)
 #endif
 
-#include "boost/scoped_array.hpp"
-
 #define LCL_LENGTH0(s) (sizeof (s) / sizeof *(s))
 #define LCL_STRING0(s) (s), LCL_LENGTH0(s)
 
@@ -80,10 +78,36 @@ wchar_t * getProperty(
 
 }
 
+namespace {
+class scoped_wchar_t_array
+{
+private:
+wchar_t* mpArray;
+
+public:
+scoped_wchar_t_array( wchar_t* pArray )
+: mpArray( pArray )
+{}
+
+~scoped_wchar_t_array()
+{
+if ( mpArray != 0 )
+{
+delete[] mpArray;
+}
+}
+
+wchar_t* get()
+{
+return mpArray;
+}
+};
+}
+
 extern "C" UINT __stdcall copyEditionData(MSIHANDLE install) {
-boost::scoped_array from(
+scoped_wchar_t_array from(
 getProperty(install, L"SourceDir", LCL_STRING0(L"edition\0")));
-if (!from) {
+if (!from.get()) {
 return ERROR_INSTALL_FAILURE;
 }
 Status stat = fileExists(from.get());
@@ -94,11 +118,11 @@ extern "C" UINT __stdcall copyEditionData(MSIHANDLE 
install) {
 return ERROR_SUCCESS;
 }
 wchar_t * end;
-boost::scoped_array to(
+scoped_wchar_t_array to(
 getProperty(
 install, L"INSTALLLOCATION",
 LCL_STRING0(L"program\\edition\0"), &end));
-if (!to) {
+if (!to.get()) {
 return ERROR_INSTALL_FAILURE;
 }
 stat = fileExists(to.get());

Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[Regina Henschel]

Hi,

Yong Lin Ma schrieb:

-1.

Herbert,
I would like to save you the effort to make the change, even if it
won't cost much.

The key thing here is we should be careful and avoid opening duplicate
or invalid issues as many as we can.

I would like to see some concrete examples, especially invalid issues.
And see if this is pervasive for all the reporters who have confirm
right.


I will not blame single reporters here, please look yourself.

You can search this way:
Switch to "Advanced Search"
Near the bottom of the page expand "Custom Search"
From the first drop down list choose "Resolution", from the second list 
"changed to", and in the third field write INVALID, or write DUPLICATE 
or -if you want both- list them as INVALID,DUPLICATE.


To constrain your search to a specific period, for example issues since 
April, use a second row. From first drop down list choose "Creation 
date", from second list "is greater than or equal to", and in the third 
field write a date in ISO form, for example "2012-04-01".


Search

If the reporter is not shown in the bug list, scroll to the end of the 
bug list and click on "Change Columns". Move "Reporter" from the left 
list to the right list.


Kind regards
Regina

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[Donald Whytock]

Has anyone asked/is anyone asking Infra about a torrent tracker?

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Albino B Neto  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
>> Hi Rory
>>
>> Am 30.08.12 12:57, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
>>> This morning the en-Forum received the following query
>>> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=55992
>>>
>>> To save you looking it up, the User asked if there would be a torrent 
>>> connection for AOO 3.4.x, as there had been for OOo 3.3 and earlier.
>> At the Moment no. But it's not the first request for torrent. Torrent
>> would be also interesting for unofficial Developer builds, to distribute
>> the load a bit on defferent computer. The problem is: at the Moment we
>> have no Torrent Tracker.
>
> Yeah!
>
>> But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker
>> for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project.
>>
>> I'm willing to host a seeding peer
>
> Me too.
>
> I can help create torrent tracker, but first remember how do.
>
> Albino

Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[Herbert Duerr]

On 20.09.2012 16:54, TJ Frazier wrote:

On 9/20/2012 00:12, Herbert Duerr wrote:

On 19.09.2012 20:34, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:24:11PM +0200, Oliver Brinzing wrote:

Hi Regina,


Your own new issue should be UNCONFIRMED. Someone else should confirm
your issue, if possible on a different operating system.


i am pretty sure that i did not set the "confirmed" status when
submitting a new issue,
default status is "confirmed" - and you have to select "Show Advanced
Fields"
to see the listbox ... this seems to be the root cause of the problem
...


I agree with Oliver, the default status should be set to UNCONFIRMED
even if the reporter has canconfirm privileges. IMHO "confirmed" means
"confirmed by some else".


Seeing so much consensus I'm confident that we'll reach "lazy consensus"
by next monday (2012/9/19 + 72h) and I volunteer to change the behavior
then.

So please speak up now if you disagree with the opinion that the extra
step to the "confirmed" status is an idea that does benefit the quality
of our project.

Herbert


+1

Just for the record, is this as simple as removing the check-mark from
one entry in BZ > Administration > Bug Status Workflow ?


From a testing standpoint having the policy that a "confirmed" status 
means that another member has reproduced the problem (eventually on 
another platform) means more testing effort by some factor. That may 
have a positive or a negative effect on the quality.


Another possibility could be that a reporter with can-confirm karma 
feels confident enough can set the status to confirmed himself/herself. 
Having to do an extra step could be sufficient for our goals.


Coming back to your question: Yes, from the admin standpoint the 
requested change is as simple as switching a bit. An eventual 
multiplication of the testing effort is worth some consideration though 
and "just switching bits because it is easy" shouldn't be done without 
having reached some consensus on this topic.


Herbert

Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[O.Felka]

Mee too:
-1

Regards,
Olaf

Am 20.09.2012 15:55, schrieb Yong Lin Ma:

-1.

Herbert,
I would like to save you the effort to make the change, even if it
won't cost much.

The key thing here is we should be careful and avoid opening duplicate
or invalid issues as many as we can.

I would like to see some concrete examples, especially invalid issues.
And see if this is pervasive for all the reporters who have confirm
right.





On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Herbert Duerr  wrote:

On 19.09.2012 20:34, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:


On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:24:11PM +0200, Oliver Brinzing wrote:


Hi Regina,


Your own new issue should be UNCONFIRMED. Someone else should confirm
your issue, if possible on a different operating system.



i am pretty sure that i did not set the "confirmed" status when
submitting a new issue,
default status is "confirmed" - and you have to select "Show Advanced
Fields"
to see the listbox ... this seems to be the root cause of the problem ...



I agree with Oliver, the default status should be set to UNCONFIRMED
even if the reporter has canconfirm privileges. IMHO "confirmed" means
"confirmed by some else".



Seeing so much consensus I'm confident that we'll reach "lazy consensus" by
next monday (2012/9/19 + 72h) and I volunteer to change the behavior then.

So please speak up now if you disagree with the opinion that the extra step
to the "confirmed" status is an idea that does benefit the quality of our
project.

Herbert

Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[Yong Lin Ma]

-1.

Herbert,
I would like to save you the effort to make the change, even if it
won't cost much.

The key thing here is we should be careful and avoid opening duplicate
or invalid issues as many as we can.

I would like to see some concrete examples, especially invalid issues.
And see if this is pervasive for all the reporters who have confirm
right.





On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Herbert Duerr  wrote:
> On 19.09.2012 20:34, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:24:11PM +0200, Oliver Brinzing wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Regina,
>>>
 Your own new issue should be UNCONFIRMED. Someone else should confirm
 your issue, if possible on a different operating system.
>>>
>>>
>>> i am pretty sure that i did not set the "confirmed" status when
>>> submitting a new issue,
>>> default status is "confirmed" - and you have to select "Show Advanced
>>> Fields"
>>> to see the listbox ... this seems to be the root cause of the problem ...
>>
>>
>> I agree with Oliver, the default status should be set to UNCONFIRMED
>> even if the reporter has canconfirm privileges. IMHO "confirmed" means
>> "confirmed by some else".
>
>
> Seeing so much consensus I'm confident that we'll reach "lazy consensus" by
> next monday (2012/9/19 + 72h) and I volunteer to change the behavior then.
>
> So please speak up now if you disagree with the opinion that the extra step
> to the "confirmed" status is an idea that does benefit the quality of our
> project.
>
> Herbert



-- 
Regards

Yong Lin Ma

Re: Torrent connection for AOo 3.4.x download

[Albino B Neto]

Hi.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
> Hi Rory
>
> Am 30.08.12 12:57, schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
>> This morning the en-Forum received the following query
>> http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=55992
>>
>> To save you looking it up, the User asked if there would be a torrent 
>> connection for AOO 3.4.x, as there had been for OOo 3.3 and earlier.
> At the Moment no. But it's not the first request for torrent. Torrent
> would be also interesting for unofficial Developer builds, to distribute
> the load a bit on defferent computer. The problem is: at the Moment we
> have no Torrent Tracker.

Yeah!

> But I could ask my brother if he is willing to setup a torrent tracker
> for us. He was working on the torrent at the old OOo project.
>
> I'm willing to host a seeding peer

Me too.

I can help create torrent tracker, but first remember how do.

Albino

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Dave Fisher]

On Sep 20, 2012, at 6:06 AM, Ross Gardler  wrote:

> On 20 September 2012 11:49, sebb  wrote:
>> 
>> Once a PMC exists, new members must be nominated and discussed on the
>> private@tlp list.
>> Votes are held on the private list, so is not secret, but it is not
>> public either.
> 
> There are very few *must* items in the ASF. In fact it is up to the
> PMC to decide how and where the decision is made. When voting on
> people most, but not all, projects do it in private.

Apache POI is an example. The PMC considers the public vote to be an incentive 
for contributors. Since votes happen very infrequently it does not add a lot of 
traffic to the lists.

I think that process here is proceeding well. I hope to put together a list on 
Sunday when I return home.

If a wiki is created before then perhaps it should list only names without a 
count. That way we can all see if anyone is missing.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Ross

Re: [PERSONAL] My Idea from a Europe Tour

[Albino B Neto]

Hi.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
> I have a bit a crazy Idea. I plane a Tour across same Countrys of
> Europe, only with my floorball sick, my bicycle and my computer. The
> main goal is to go from floorball club to floorball club and make a
> training together. The traveling I will do all with my bicycle. The
> focus is clarly on the sport activity,

Good ideia, excelente ideia.

>but I have also my notebook with
> me and i am willing to promote Apache OpenOffice and the work on this
> Software too.

Ohh... It'll be a good dissemination.

> I will start in Switzerland, and than go to Germany,
> Sweeden, Finnland (Sweden and Finnland are big floorball Countrys).
> The main reason for this action is, to show, that a disability most not
> be a handycap. I want to inspir people for sport, floorball, and at
> least Apache OpenOffice.
> The route is compleetly open at the moment. So if you want to invate me
> as a company, university, or school, then send me a PM. Thanks a load.

I haven't been in any of these countries.

I wish you success, great success.

Albino

Re: [DISCUSS][Linux]Drop distro specific RPMs

[Alexandro Colorado]

On 9/20/12, RGB ES  wrote:
> 2012/9/19 Kay Schenk 
>
>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:34 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
>> >
>> >> 2012/8/26 Kay Schenk :
>> >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:13 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> This time I installed not the "suse" desktop integration RPM but
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> "freedesktop" one, and it worked without problems. If someone
>> >> >> confirm
>> >> >> that this is the same for fedora and mandriva then I think we can
>> >> >> safely drop those distro specific RPMs and offer only one, like we
>> >> >> offer only one .deb on the debian packages.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What do you think?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards
>> >> >> Ricardo
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> OK, I finally did this. I uninstalled the opensuse menu setup and just
>> installed the freedestop.org rpm. Everything is working. But I too am on
>> opensuse. It would be great to have folks from other distros test this
>> out.
>>
>
>
> I'm trying to gather some feedback from forum people. Let's see what
> happens on a couple of days.
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
you can see the code here:
http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/xref/Current%20(trunk)/sysui/desktop/

Browsing through the spec, they look quite different process through a
vimdiff including some icon definition, and scripts present on a
script.
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/?diff=1832891

-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: [DISCUSS][Linux]Drop distro specific RPMs

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 01:50:20PM +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> > >> >> This time I installed not the "suse" desktop integration RPM but the
> > >> >> "freedesktop" one, and it worked without problems. If someone confirm
> > >> >> that this is the same for fedora and mandriva then I think we can
> > >> >> safely drop those distro specific RPMs and offer only one, like we
> > >> >> offer only one .deb on the debian packages.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> What do you think?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regards
> > >> >> Ricardo
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >
> > OK, I finally did this. I uninstalled the opensuse menu setup and just
> > installed the freedestop.org rpm. Everything is working. But I too am on
> > opensuse. It would be great to have folks from other distros test this out.
> >
> 
> 
> I'm trying to gather some feedback from forum people. Let's see what
> happens on a couple of days.

This sounds useful. We should collect the distribution information,
obviously. I tested it in CentOS 5 and it works fine; which is is a good
sign, as this is the free Linux distribution with the oldest libraries
I could find. IMHO we should support at least those versions that are
still supported by their distribution, and versions with EOL reached do
not count.


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[Ariel Constenla-Haile]

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 06:22:29PM -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
> On 09/19/2012 08:34 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> >On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:24:11PM +0200, Oliver Brinzing wrote:
> >>Hi Regina,
> >>
> >>>Your own new issue should be UNCONFIRMED. Someone else should confirm
> >>>your issue, if possible on a different operating system.
> >>i am pretty sure that i did not set the "confirmed" status when submitting 
> >>a new issue,
> >>default status is "confirmed" - and you have to select "Show Advanced 
> >>Fields"
> >>to see the listbox ... this seems to be the root cause of the problem ...
> >
> >I agree with Oliver, the default status should be set to UNCONFIRMED
> >even if the reporter has canconfirm privileges. IMHO "confirmed" means
> >"confirmed by some else".
> >
> >
> >Regards
> if an unfiled bug is reported to me and I confirm it independently
> (based on how it was reported to me), may I set it directly to
> confirmed?

Yes, and this is what I usually do for bugs that I find. Submitting your
issue and confirming it, is different from it being confirmed just
because it's the default bugzilla setting. Of course, this can be
considered an overhead, though it's simple a second step after pressing
submit (that IMHO ensure carefulness).


Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina


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Re: Open Office Certificate Query

[Ian Lynch]

On 20 September 2012 12:32, Dimitris Fotiadis  wrote:
> Dear Mr. Leibovitch,
>
> I represent the British Hellenic College of Athens (Greece) as director of 
> postgraduate programs.
>
> We are currently running franchise undergraduate and postgraduate programs in 
> cooperation with the University of Glyndwr.
>
> We are also quite keen on running an OpenOffice certification program.
>
> Would you kindly inform me about the existence of such program and how we 
> could possibly cooperate in that case?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
>
> Dr. Dimitris Fotiadis
>
> Director of postgraduate programs
>
> British Hellenic College

ASF does not run a certification program itself.  I will reply to you
off list with details of the INGOT certification program for
OpenOffice as this is out of the scope of this discussion forum.

-- 
Ian

Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)

www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940

The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.

Open Office Certificate Query

[Dimitris Fotiadis]

Dear Mr. Leibovitch,

I represent the British Hellenic College of Athens (Greece) as director of 
postgraduate programs. 

We are currently running franchise undergraduate and postgraduate programs in 
cooperation with the University of Glyndwr.

We are also quite keen on running an OpenOffice certification program.

Would you kindly inform me about the existence of such program and how we could 
possibly cooperate in that case?

Many thanks in advance.

Yours faithfully,


Dr. Dimitris Fotiadis

Director of postgraduate programs

British Hellenic College

Re: [DISCUSS][Linux]Drop distro specific RPMs

[RGB ES]

2012/9/19 Kay Schenk 

> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:34 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
> >
> >> 2012/8/26 Kay Schenk :
> >> > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 5:13 AM, RGB ES  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> This time I installed not the "suse" desktop integration RPM but the
> >> >> "freedesktop" one, and it worked without problems. If someone confirm
> >> >> that this is the same for fedora and mandriva then I think we can
> >> >> safely drop those distro specific RPMs and offer only one, like we
> >> >> offer only one .deb on the debian packages.
> >> >>
> >> >> What do you think?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> Ricardo
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> OK, I finally did this. I uninstalled the opensuse menu setup and just
> installed the freedestop.org rpm. Everything is working. But I too am on
> opensuse. It would be great to have folks from other distros test this out.
>


I'm trying to gather some feedback from forum people. Let's see what
happens on a couple of days.

Regards
Ricardo

Re: [PERSONAL] My Idea from a Europe Tour

[Oliver-Rainer Wittmann]

Hi,

On 19.09.2012 22:06, Raphael Bircher wrote:

Hi at all

I have a bit a crazy Idea. I plane a Tour across same Countrys of
Europe, only with my floorball sick, my bicycle and my computer. The
main goal is to go from floorball club to floorball club and make a
training together. The traveling I will do all with my bicycle. The
focus is clarly on the sport activity, but I have also my notebook with
me and i am willing to promote Apache OpenOffice and the work on this
Software too. I will start in Switzerland, and than go to Germany,
Sweeden, Finnland (Sweden and Finnland are big floorball Countrys).
The main reason for this action is, to show, that a disability most not
be a handycap. I want to inspir people for sport, floorball, and at
least Apache OpenOffice.
The route is compleetly open at the moment. So if you want to invate me
as a company, university, or school, then send me a PM. Thanks a load.



that is a cool challenge.

If you come around Hamburg, Germany, then let me know. I think it would be 
possible to arrange something to meet some AOO guys here in the northern part of 
Germany.


Best regards, Oliver.

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Ross Gardler]

On 20 September 2012 11:49, sebb  wrote:
>
> Once a PMC exists, new members must be nominated and discussed on the
> private@tlp list.
> Votes are held on the private list, so is not secret, but it is not
> public either.

There are very few *must* items in the ASF. In fact it is up to the
PMC to decide how and where the decision is made. When voting on
people most, but not all, projects do it in private.

Ross

Re: Apache OpenOffice Awarded Two InfoWorld Bossie (Best of Open Source Software) Awards

[RGB ES]

2012/9/19 Rob Weir 

> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:35 AM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:
> > What a great news!
> > Congratulations!
> >
>
> I'm especially proud of the recognition the community received for the
> OpenOffice Templates website.   This almost did not happen.  It
> required a lot of effort, especially by SourceForge and Apache Infra,
> to make this a reality.
>
> Remember back when OpenOffice first came to Apache.  We had the OOo
> code, and a bunch of legacy services hosted on Oracle (and other 3rd
> party) servers:  website, wiki, forums, templates, extensions,
> bugzilla, etc.   We could have just abandoned the services and focused
> 100% on the code.  We could have just kissed the legacy web services
> good bye and let them die.  That would have been an easier choice.
> This option was mentioned at the time.  It would have been less
> effort.  It would have allowed us to make more progress on the code,
> and faster.  Certainly that was the choice that could have been made,
> and which was made by another related project.  IMHO, it is akin to an
> army leaving its wounded behind in order to make a faster advance.
>
> Personally, I'm glad we did not abandon these services.  Instead we
> invested in them.  Yes, it took time.  Yes, it took energy.  Yes, it
> diverted resources that could have been used to work on product
> features.  If you recall there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth
> in some circles, saying that we had delayed our OpenOffice release so
> long that it would no longer be relevant, that we would never catch
> up, that we would inevitably fail.
>
> Well, guess what happened?  We released 3.4.0 and had phenomenal
> download numbers.  And then we released 3.4.1 and the download numbers
> are even better.And now we receive awards both for the product,
> but also for one of the legacy web services.  Hopefully this puts the
> doubts to rest.  The answer to an "either/or" question is sometimes
> "both".
>
> -Rob
>

+1. As other said, great summary!

The news are now on the EN, ES and IT forums (and on my blog...)

Regards
Ricardo

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed PMC List

[sebb]

On 20 September 2012 07:45, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> RGB ES wrote:
>>
>> 2012/9/19 Dennis E. Hamilton
>>>
>>> I recommend that the process continue.  My only objection is that having
>>> secret nominations is not compatible with the Apache Way ...
>>>
>>> I recommend that no one accept nominations privately and that those who
>>> have already sent theirs via any back-channel use ooo-private
>
>
> OK. The important thing is that the process can continue. It might well be
> that nobody prefers to state his preferences in private (meaning: somewhere
> else than ooo-dev): as I wrote, it was not a personal concern, I just
> wondered if allowing it would increase participation in this nomination
> phase (and at the same time I encouraged those, if any, who preferred secret
> nominations/lists to speak up, and nobody did so far, which probably means I
> was simply wrong and everybody is fine with public nominations/lists).
>
>
>> +1 (Even if I see no point on hiding the vote).
>
>
> I was going to answer that secret ballot is a basic principle, but indeed,
> now that I think about it, it might be that there is no such thing as a
> "secret ballot" in the Apache way, at least for normal operations...
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html does not mention this
> possibility.

AFAIK that applies to code and releases only, not people.

Once a PMC exists, new members must be nominated and discussed on the
private@tlp list.
Votes are held on the private list, so is not secret, but it is not
public either.

ASF members are nominated on the members list (and in members-only files).
ASF member voting is secret.

Board members are nominated on the members list.
Voting is secret.

> Good to know. But we can come back to this at a later stage and
> let the current nomination phase continue.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.

Re: Confluence Wiki offline?

[tj]

On 9/20/2012 02:55, Shenfeng Liu wrote:

I can not access other cwiki pages either, saying "503 Service Temporarily
Unavailable"...

- Simon


2012/9/20 Alexandro Colorado 


Having issues getting in the cWiki URLs:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.x+-+Logo+Explorations

was this a planned outage?

--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org




For future reference:

Right now this shows system "Thor" (Confluence wiki) as red-critical. 
This means that Infra is already aware of the problem.


HTH,
/tj/

Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[TJ Frazier]

On 9/20/2012 00:12, Herbert Duerr wrote:

On 19.09.2012 20:34, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:24:11PM +0200, Oliver Brinzing wrote:

Hi Regina,


Your own new issue should be UNCONFIRMED. Someone else should confirm
your issue, if possible on a different operating system.


i am pretty sure that i did not set the "confirmed" status when
submitting a new issue,
default status is "confirmed" - and you have to select "Show Advanced
Fields"
to see the listbox ... this seems to be the root cause of the problem
...


I agree with Oliver, the default status should be set to UNCONFIRMED
even if the reporter has canconfirm privileges. IMHO "confirmed" means
"confirmed by some else".


Seeing so much consensus I'm confident that we'll reach "lazy consensus"
by next monday (2012/9/19 + 72h) and I volunteer to change the behavior
then.

So please speak up now if you disagree with the opinion that the extra
step to the "confirmed" status is an idea that does benefit the quality
of our project.

Herbert


+1

Just for the record, is this as simple as removing the check-mark from 
one entry in BZ > Administration > Bug Status Workflow ?


/tj/

Re: [Extension]Task panel/ sidebar view

[Dali Liu]

2012/9/20 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 9/19/12 8:24 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> > Hi Jürgen,
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 01:13:23PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> >>
> >> But more important is the question how we can move forward with the
> >> already  planned improvements of this feature (see the wiki pages).
> >
> > I guess in the usual way: someone sits down, and writes code ;)
> >
> >> Especially the tabs on the right site with icons etc. comparable to the
> >> side bar in Symphony. Symphony comes here with some good improvements
> >> and useful property side bars.
> >
> > Now that you mentioned it: although the property side bar is "something
> > new" and may be useful from a user perspective, it has several
> > drawbacks, and introduces several regressions compared to what AOO
> > actually has to offer:
> >
> > - from the user perspective, AOO currently supports a way to customize
> >   User Interface elements, at application and document level (Tools
> >   - Customize dialog). Symphony's property side bars are completely
> >   hard-coded in resource files, no way to customize them
> >
> > - from the programmability perspective: AOO currently offers extension
> >   developer a whole set of features, from disabling commands via
> >   configuration, dispatch interception, menu and toolbar merging, etc.
> >   Symphony's property sidebars cannot be extended by the merging
> mechanism
> >   (as said before, their structure is hard-coded). The most important
> >   part is that the property sidebar wasn't design taking programmability
> >   into account: try disabling some command as explain in
> >
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/WritingUNO/Disable_Commands
> >   it will work with toolbars and menus (in context menus the command is
> >   not disabled, but at least the command is not dispatched); but in the
> >   property sidebar the command is enabled and even dispatched
> >
> >
> > While some of these regressions can be fixed (among other things, not
> > dispatching through the SfxDispatcher but through the SfxBindings, ...),
> > allowing customization of the sidebars seems not doable (at least in the
> > current state of the application framework).
> >
> > In conclusion, I wouldn't speak about a "revolutionary UI change" in the
> > code that has been contributed; as explained above, it has several
> > drawbacks and, from some perspective, is a regression from what AOO
> > currently offers to users and extension developers.
>
> I agree and share all your observations. Nobody said a "revolutionary UI
> change" but the property side bar is of course a very useful approach to
> make these features better and more intuitive available. We should keep
> in mind that this UI was also awarded, feedback was positive and users
> like it. From my point of view reasons enough to at least take such an
> UI into account. The technical realization is of course a different thing.
>
> >
> >> And we have already a mechanism to
> >> integrate such task panes/side bars via extensions. We should think
> >> about how we can bring together both ...
> >
> > I recall that Carsten Driesner told me that the way how the tool panel
> > was implemented was a sort of hack; the real solution was in the
> > refactoring he was doing in the layout manager code, to support docking
> > windows as new UI elements; unfortunately, he no longer works on
> > OpenOffice, and there isn't much in the cws dockingwindows2 to get an
> > idea.
>
> I agree and there was work ongoing. My point is that we have to take
> care of potential existing solutions and if we can support the exiting
> API's in some way. But even if not we have to think about a good
> migration of existing extensions making already use of this feature.
>
> >
> > This shows another drawback of the Symphony sidebar implementation, as
> > completely designed in the old sfx2 framework, away from all the UNO
> > stuff that makes the application programable for extension development.
> > I guess that with a corporate mind, making this stuff extensible wasn't
> > in the original plan; while here at Apache OpenOffice, extensibility is
> > a way to produce a software for the public good, that can be extended
> > without the need to modify (nor learn) a single line of code (and nor
> > building the code by yourself from source, simply using our binaries,
> > provided to you for your "convenience").
> >
>
> We should start from the point to decide if the general idea of such a
> property sidebar is a good one and help us to make our product better
> from the user perspective. Our goal is to make the usage of our product
> intuitive and easy and allow our users to handle their daily office
> tasks most efficient and with best results. And the next step is to
> think about the technical realization and I agree again that everything
> you have described is important and we should take it into account.
>
> But we should also think about the most practical solution. Do we

Re: [Extension]Task panel/ sidebar view

[Dali Liu]

A good example! thank you !

2012/9/19 FR web forum 

> Hello,
>
> >Another words, is there any ways that can let me add a customized side
> >panel to document and spreadsheet by extension?
> An issue exists: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=41087
> See my comment to the bottom: an extension allows a workaround
>

Re: [Extension]Task panel/ sidebar view

[Dali Liu]

Hi Jurgen,


2012/9/19 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 9/19/12 11:28 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> > On 9/19/12 10:12 AM, Dali Liu wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >> I know that we can add a customized panel to Task Panel of presentation
> by
> >> a extension.
> >> Is there any ways that can let me add the similar customized panel to
> >> document and spreadsheet?
> >>
> >> Another words, is there any ways that can let me add a customized side
> >> panel to document and spreadsheet by extension?
> >>
> >
> > The task panel is not limited to presentations you can use it in the
> > context for all applications. Let me check if I can find an example ...
> >
> > Juergen
> >
>
> Hi Dali Liu,
>
> there was still some work ongoing to improve what is already possible
> and I found some good overview articles in the wiki
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/Tool_Panels_Internals
>
> and from here you can find an example what's already possible
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/Article/Tool_Panels
>
> and 2 further pages with more ideas and information about the ongoing work
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/New_Docking_Windows#Toolpanelthe
> ongoing work (currently stalled stopped)
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/New_Docking_Windows#Toolpaneldeck
>
>
> The existing solution contains the same design issue like add-ons and
> the name of new added toolbars. You need a WindowState.xcu file
> for each application context where the task pane is visible.
>
> I hope this helps a little bit and feel free to ask further questions. I
> can send you a simple sample as well. I should really publish some of my
> examples in the wiki and document them a little bit more...
>

These are very helpful, thanks for your information.  I will ask questions
here when I meet something.

>
> Juergen
>
>
>

Re: [Extension]Task panel/ sidebar view

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 9/19/12 8:24 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> Hi Jürgen,
> 
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 01:13:23PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> But more important is the question how we can move forward with the
>> already  planned improvements of this feature (see the wiki pages).
> 
> I guess in the usual way: someone sits down, and writes code ;)
> 
>> Especially the tabs on the right site with icons etc. comparable to the
>> side bar in Symphony. Symphony comes here with some good improvements
>> and useful property side bars. 
> 
> Now that you mentioned it: although the property side bar is "something
> new" and may be useful from a user perspective, it has several
> drawbacks, and introduces several regressions compared to what AOO
> actually has to offer:
> 
> - from the user perspective, AOO currently supports a way to customize
>   User Interface elements, at application and document level (Tools
>   - Customize dialog). Symphony's property side bars are completely
>   hard-coded in resource files, no way to customize them
> 
> - from the programmability perspective: AOO currently offers extension
>   developer a whole set of features, from disabling commands via
>   configuration, dispatch interception, menu and toolbar merging, etc.
>   Symphony's property sidebars cannot be extended by the merging mechanism
>   (as said before, their structure is hard-coded). The most important
>   part is that the property sidebar wasn't design taking programmability
>   into account: try disabling some command as explain in
>   
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/WritingUNO/Disable_Commands
>   it will work with toolbars and menus (in context menus the command is
>   not disabled, but at least the command is not dispatched); but in the
>   property sidebar the command is enabled and even dispatched
> 
> 
> While some of these regressions can be fixed (among other things, not
> dispatching through the SfxDispatcher but through the SfxBindings, ...),
> allowing customization of the sidebars seems not doable (at least in the
> current state of the application framework).
> 
> In conclusion, I wouldn't speak about a "revolutionary UI change" in the
> code that has been contributed; as explained above, it has several
> drawbacks and, from some perspective, is a regression from what AOO
> currently offers to users and extension developers.

I agree and share all your observations. Nobody said a "revolutionary UI
change" but the property side bar is of course a very useful approach to
make these features better and more intuitive available. We should keep
in mind that this UI was also awarded, feedback was positive and users
like it. From my point of view reasons enough to at least take such an
UI into account. The technical realization is of course a different thing.

> 
>> And we have already a mechanism to
>> integrate such task panes/side bars via extensions. We should think
>> about how we can bring together both ...
> 
> I recall that Carsten Driesner told me that the way how the tool panel
> was implemented was a sort of hack; the real solution was in the
> refactoring he was doing in the layout manager code, to support docking
> windows as new UI elements; unfortunately, he no longer works on
> OpenOffice, and there isn't much in the cws dockingwindows2 to get an
> idea.

I agree and there was work ongoing. My point is that we have to take
care of potential existing solutions and if we can support the exiting
API's in some way. But even if not we have to think about a good
migration of existing extensions making already use of this feature.

> 
> This shows another drawback of the Symphony sidebar implementation, as
> completely designed in the old sfx2 framework, away from all the UNO
> stuff that makes the application programable for extension development.
> I guess that with a corporate mind, making this stuff extensible wasn't
> in the original plan; while here at Apache OpenOffice, extensibility is
> a way to produce a software for the public good, that can be extended
> without the need to modify (nor learn) a single line of code (and nor
> building the code by yourself from source, simply using our binaries,
> provided to you for your "convenience").
> 

We should start from the point to decide if the general idea of such a
property sidebar is a good one and help us to make our product better
from the user perspective. Our goal is to make the usage of our product
intuitive and easy and allow our users to handle their daily office
tasks most efficient and with best results. And the next step is to
think about the technical realization and I agree again that everything
you have described is important and we should take it into account.

But we should also think about the most practical solution. Do we have
the time, the resources to provide the best and most generic
implementation or can we move forward with a compromise.

You know the framework better than me and you have worked closer