Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new consultants listings
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 October 2012 17:59, Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, 2012/10/3 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com The one issue that arises here is that the term certification could mean certificated to be an authorised developer, trainer or consultant as well as certificated as a competent user of say Writer. This certainly seems to have caused confusion in the past and across at LibreO. However, unless AOO provides some sort of certification of companies authorised to act under its Logo (which seems counter to ASF policy) I doubt certification of companies will be relevant whereas qualifications for individuals are traditionally delivered by third parties so that is more likely to be the take up. I'm not sure to have good understood all this discussion, but these questions of certification could have some importance for companies. By my former employer, we had a quality system (GLP) and all our studies had to be made following the rules of this quality sytem to can be internationally recognized. For instance, we had to validate all the spreasheeds used to calculate the results of our studies and our developments. This long administrativ process had to be registered and repeated if we changed the version of the soft for a new one. Moreover, all the technicians involved in the studies had to prove they have been trained with the soft. So, the certification of trainings is a question that we can't perhaps ignore in the future. It has perhaps not the same importance for the end users but it's another question for companies which have to prove that their employees have been teached to fit the requirements of their quality system. Only my opinion and my apologizes for the noise if I haven't completely understood the sense of this thread. A+ Hi Guy, It all depends on whether there is market demand and someone in a position to meet that demand. We don't really want a lot of items that never get any interest but we do want to be able to include as many as possible. Probably needs a different thread for detailed discussion of certification. The main objective in this thread is to work out the scope for the taxonomy Rob is developing for consultants in general. I'm thinking keeping things simple within what we know from the previous methods with OOo is best. Rob's clear, clean start looks good to me. Agree, Rob did an excellent job, and keep it simple seems key to me. Certification is a delicate subject, it has been discussed few times in the past - at least in the Italian community - and consensus maybe challenging. Let's see what we can do. Roberto -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: [UX] OpenOffice iconset consistency
Got it. Shame to have undeployed resources. Should we explore refreshing the branding and UI in 4.0, we should survey all the available icons and select the set that best suites our needs moving forward. On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.comwrote: Indeed, we could refresh the icons. Symphony donation includes a set of very professional graphics we should consider reusing. I am sorry, I never suggest to change the icons, I asked for the applications to adopt the current ones already in place. On Oct 3, 2012, at 10:24 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Have a question regarding on the integration of iconset with OpenOffice. At the moment I have seen that there are still a lot of the design from OOo 3 and even 2.4. One of the design that hasn't change is the iconset of the applications. OpenOffice application used to have an icon like [1], and the applications had them like [2], on 3.0 the iconset got a new look [3] , however this was applied only partially, since in the menu looked like this [4] and the internal applications like that[5]. The previous visual design page already listed the guidelines for the new iconset as well as samples within the different sizes of both application and filetypes [6], the new visual design page [7] also have some information regarding this, however the AOO releases hasn't followed. [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OpenOffice.org_3_icon.png [2] http://robistech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Icons-Open-Office-Pack_1.png [3] http://rocketdock.com/images/screenshots/Open-Office-3.2.1.png [4] http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/OOorg_WinXP_Startmenu.png [5] http://imagebin.org/230757 [6] http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/ODF_icons4print.html [7] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Branding+Style+Guide -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [WWW] Do we need a new site logo (for graduation) -- call for volunteers
Sounds like a great opportunity to clean up the graphic resources Do we have an inventory of all locations where the logo occurs throughout the product touch points: web, applications, docs etc? On Oct 4, s.2012, at 11:17 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.comwrote: I agree, an updated visual identity would be a great way to refresh our application visuals and appear more contemporary. Website branding should align with this broader brand direction. Updating the logo should be part if a broader branding initiative which includes creative new artwork for app icons, file icons as well as graphics for install, start screens, wizards, about box and others. I have been sketching and created some mockups for a number of these elements. I'll upload when back from vacation. I'll volunteer to lead this activity. I actually don't agree with having a new logo, simply because even the current one hasnt been completely integrated with the product and is creating huge lag between this logo proposals, the trademark and the actual look and feel of the application. I applaud the efforts on maybe having a new design on the website, but a new logo? Just the wiki had a change from the old Oracle logo to the new one (orb logo) last week. Today I point out a lot of discrepancies between the logo on the Visual design site (an old one from OOo 3.2 days) and the current status of 3.4 and it hasn't been implemented. [1] Even at the moment, there are different orbs floating around such as the orb on the start center of OOo 3.4 is different from the 8-bit solid orb. [2] [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201210.mbox/%3cCAMK9kTiqEUcghLksDaBP2sgCSkhP7VuVpxF2asE9k-r6XdXX=g...@mail.gmail.com%3e [2] http://imagebin.org/230827 Regards, Kevin On Oct 4, 2012, at 7:11 AM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/03/2012 04:00 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: I notice that Apache Forrest does use the Apache feather: there are three of them stood on their quills as if they are a small stand of trees. Dennis--your powers of observation are incredible! I did NOT see this! It seems to me that the incorporation of the feather can be a little strained. The cases where it is in shadow, on the other hand, are easy to overlook. The orb with stylized gulls is very convenient at a lot of sizes and formats, including as a download button, an icon on directory entries on downloaded exe and oxt files, etc. If the feather is to be a feature of that, it will be tricky. It would be useful to see some examples, as Kay suggests. - Dennis PS: I also wonder whether generic icons should be part of the source release and distinct icons be used in the Apache-provided authentic builds. In that case, it would be great if the generic icons did not have the feather in any way. That's a half-baked notion, and it simply might not be acceptable. It is something I wonder about -- differentiating builds produced by the project from ones produced in some other manner and the source only having the generic icons. -Original Message- From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.sch...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 15:30 To: OOo Apache Subject: [WWW] Do we need a new site logo (for graduation) -- call for volunteers We all love the orb with gulls, but maybe it's time for a slight update to our logo? Or the header line on our websites (project and user portal). I took a look around at some of the Apache projects and the use of project logos and web site headers seems to fall into a few different categories. Sites using Apache feather but not in product logo -- http://camel.apache.org/ http://forrest.apache.org/ http://cocoon.apache.org/ Sites incorporating feather logo into an existing logo -- http://mina.apache.org/ http://jakarta.apache.org/oro/ http://axis.apache.org/axis2/java/core/ http://activemq.apache.org/ http://ofbiz.apache.org/ (???) Sites not making overt use of any Apache logo (feather) -- http://click.apache.org/ So, any preferences? Ideas? There already exists a AOOLogo proposal page, https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOOLogo+proposal so we could just add items to this, or change some that are here, or add a child page, etc. -- MzK Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back doesn't mean the circus has left town. -- George Carlin -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Draft consultants page, etc., posted
On 10/2/12 11:58 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On 10/02/2012 11:57 AM, Rob Weir wrote: The page, as generated from the XML, is here: http://www.openoffice.org/support/test/consultants.html Obviously this is a mix of real and fake data. looks good so far...even with fake data agree it looks good to me and provides a fast overview. When we have only a limited number of values for the area of practice it would be nice to have tool tips explaining them. A short description what deployment, development, etc means. I know it is explained on the consultant-submission page but I think it could make the reading of the page easier for users searching the best fitting consultant. And I would drop the .html extensions in the consultant-submission link. I can enable more navigation once we get more listings. But a flat listing is fine for what we have now. And here is the submission instructions page, where we state the requirements and conditions for being listed: http://www.openoffice.org/support/test/consultant-submission.html Is it missing anything? This is fine. It should be easy to deal with. I'm also playing with a simplification of the support/index.html page which you can find here: http://www.openoffice.org/support/test/ I like this very much! Really removing all those links to the various wiki areas is a good idea. Much cleaner! I think it could benefit from a little more spacing, the links in the grey areas and the text below looks very condensed. Juergen IMHO this is a lot cleaner and simpler and helps direct the user who is seeking support to our best options: documentation, forums and user list. I put the consultants and books onto their own pages. Might try the same with the 3rd party website listings. This is all in support/test, with robots.txt set to not index. All good. Just put it into production whenever you feel so inclined. Regards, -Rob
Re: [WWW]Some trouble with the new URLs for the forums
2012/10/4 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw On 2012/08/27 02:00, imacat said: On 2012/08/27 00:15, Dave Fisher said: On Aug 26, 2012, at 8:03 AM, RGB ES wrote: 2012/8/26 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:31 AM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: Adding to the (lack of) redirection problem between the old and the new URL expressed on other threads, there are other problems reported by users. The first one is that forum notifications still arrive with only the old URL. Also, there are users experimenting problems with automatic log-in not working on the new URL. Another point that came to my mind is what happens with web crawler bots registered on the forums: I think that google, yahoo and all the others are still logging on (and indexing) the old URLs and ignoring the new ones. In fact, when you perform a web search on google, for example, about AOO all results that point to the forums show the old URL... Are we exposing two different URL's for the forums, with the same content? Exactly. You can enter the forum from both, the user.service... and the forum.openoffice... addresses. I know what we need to do. We need to either: (1) Deploy Apache Traffic Server in front of the Forums on the ooo-forums VM. We have that on ooo-wiki which is why that redirection works better. (2) Modify the apache.conf on ooo-forums VM to do a permanent redirection. This part I'm planning. Not done yet because there is still problem with forum session handling, and I'm still investigating. Any hint is welcome. This is done, after solving the cookie problem. Sorry for taking so long. The forum is now fully on http://forum.openoffice.org/ . (It looks like I'm cleaning the task list. ^^; ) Great!!! Many thanks! Regards Ricardo -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
Apply for discount on regular tickets for ApacheCon EU 2012, Nov. 5th - 8th, Sinsheim, Germany
Dear Apache OpenOffice (incubating) community member, we are pleased to announce the following funding on the ApacheCon EU 2012 ticket prices for non-Apache committers. For up to 30 Apache OpenOffice (incubating) community members which are not an Apache committer we are providing a 100,00 EUR discount on the regular ticket price. You need to apply for the discount by sending an email to the public mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org until 2012-10-12, 12:00 (Central European time, GMT+2). The subject of this email have to be [ACEU 2012 - ticket discount] YourName. In the content of the email please fill the following fields: - full name - email address - affiliation to the OpenOffice community (something like: user, contributing X, translator, ...) - description why applying for the ticket discount and why support is needed - job or eduation status (something like: student, employee, freeflancer, ...) A selection committee will decide on the applications and is aiming to send out notifications until 2012-10-16. See you soon in Sinsheim, Oliver. -- member of the Apache OpenOffice (incubating) community
[ACEU FUNDING] ticket discount application process has been started
Hi, I had sent out the announcement of the ticket discount application process to ooo-announce, ooo-users and ooo-dev. Thus, the process has been started. Let us collect the applications which are coming in. Best regards, Oliver.
[FORUM][REQUEST] Re: [ACEU FUNDING] ticket discount application process has been started
Hi, On 04.10.2012 15:09, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, I had sent out the announcement of the ticket discount application process to ooo-announce, ooo-users and ooo-dev. Thus, the process has been started. Let us collect the applications which are coming in. Can someone (or more) please forward the announcement to our forum? Thanks in advance, Oliver.
Re: [FORUM][REQUEST] Re: [ACEU FUNDING] ticket discount application process has been started
2012/10/4 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com Hi, On 04.10.2012 15:09, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, I had sent out the announcement of the ticket discount application process to ooo-announce, ooo-users and ooo-dev. Thus, the process has been started. Let us collect the applications which are coming in. Can someone (or more) please forward the announcement to our forum? Done. I added it as follow up to the previous comment about the conference. Regards Ricardo Thanks in advance, Oliver.
Re: Policy question: How to link to books about OpenOffice?
bcc: trademarks@ for awareness On 10/2/2012 11:42 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On our support website, at the bottom, we have a list of OpenOffice-related books: http://www.openoffice.org/support/ As you see, we have links to 3rd party pages for purchasing the books, usually Amazon or Lulu. I'm in the process of updating this page, as part of adding a list of consultants, and it occurred to me that we should probably think about how Shane's draft linking policy applies to books: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking Good question: the above policy doesn't directly address the question of listing pages for books; i.e. actual publishers. Even if many people simply get the free PDF, historical branding questions have tended to be much simpler relating to what we traditionally think of as publishers or authors rather than Consultants of any kind. In particular, traditional publishers tend to be *far* better at respecting branding and licensing issues, both up front and if we ever have to ask them for changes. AOO is the first project to have a large enough ecosystem that I should work with trademarks@ to update the policy. Having AOO think through how you might present books would be helpful. One way to think of it is to treat the publisher or author (for self-published books) as the consultant in the terms of the policy. They are the ones providing the service, via their book. So we would allow linking to the author's website or the publisher's website which describes the book. But we would not link to Amazon, since they are a retailer, not the author or the publisher. In principle I certainly like providing a link to the author or publisher's actual homepage for the book. But I'd tend to allow projects to decide: in some cases, there may not be a book homepage, and in some cases, it might be worth simply pointing to one (or more) useful places to directly order the book. So including an Amazon or BN link is fine if you want to do that. Note: it would not be a good idea to use one of the affiliate links, unless it's one controlled by the PMC (i.e. so the affiliate referrals aren't going to some third party). Otherwise, same criteria as consultants -- factual list, respect trademark, impartial, rel=nofollow, etc. Yup. In AOO's case, I'd think this would be a separate page, since there's plenty of material to list, and users would tend to think of find a book to read differently than hire a consultant to help. Also, book listings could be persistent (presuming the URL is still available, as Andrea notes. Does this make sense? -Rob - Shane
Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability
Hi,all,Joost not knew our means. We means ,how to solve the problem,the difficult of ODF interoperate with OOXML ,which Ian Lynch had met. this is for native office software. *The second , cloud office documents company also face the same question, *Google Docs，Microsoft Office 365，Zoho，苹果icloud，Adobe Acrobat.comhttps://www.acrobat.com/ ，ThinkFree http://thinkfree.com/，Cisco WebEx WebOfficehttp://www.weboffice.com/ ，IBM Docs ,etc, use ODF,OOXML,PDF,HTML . Then how to interoperate with each other? Zhun Guo 2012/10/2 Joost Andrae joost.and...@gmx.de Hi, Am 02.10.2012 13:03, schrieb zhun guo: Hi,Zhengfan and Ian Lynch, All format office documents' interoperability is important. 1. ODF and OOXML, is more concerned about data storage. Microsoft, and OpenOffice is the supporter。But we need ODF and OOXML to be merged to a new one format. And some wroking are doing 。Otherwise， we should face the question,just like Ian Lynch's problem. 2. HTML, is more concerned about data revealing。 Google Docs，IBM Docs，Microsoft Office 365,Zoho,Think Free,Adobe Acobat, Cisco WebEx ,all these cloud office documents select the same format. Maybe it is a new way for office documents interoperability. As Rob Weir ,OASIS OpenDocument TC chairman,says I find the topic of web editor interoperability very interesting. It is, in many ways, the continuation of the office interop battles we have fought for the last decade. But the new technology brings new challenges and new opportunities, and perhaps even an opportunity to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past! ODF? OOXML?PDF?HTML?...I think it is better to choose one format for documents interoperability,than choose two or three! It is important ,just like ASCII which is the basic for Information Interchange. Do you agree? ACSII compared to the characters within a GB18030 font ? This is just one example why ASCII doesn't work here. UNICODE characters within a XML based document format is much better for information exchange especially if you use an application that has been globalized and localized to a valuable number of languages. And as long as ODF and it's counterparts are comparable to other document formats then why should there be a new document format? ODF is ISO and OASIS approved, has been designed for this purpose and it can be used by everyone. And parts of your ideas have already been implemented as UOF in China. Using ODFDOM (http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/) as a basis for such an application could serve very well as a container to proof interoperability between applications by using ODF as it's container. Kind regards, Joost
Re: Which See Gull is Our Logo?
Here is a comparison of original Orb taken from Stella's site compared to my version of SVG. Unfortunately it was very hard to recreate everything, the shadows and also counter glow on the lower part of the sphere are not identical and also some color gradiance might be slightly unsaturazied. http://imagebin.org/230878 Still Gulls are the right size and maybe some node cleanups might be necesary but proportions are correct. On 10/4/12, Albino B Neto bin...@apache.org wrote: Hi On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 9:52 PM, imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw wrote: I was working on some simple art work. The picture all are good. For me it will be a difficult choice. (: Albino -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Policy question: How to link to books about OpenOffice?
Shane Curcuru wrote on Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 10:04:47 -0400: places to directly order the book. So including an Amazon or BN link is fine if you want to do that. Note: it would not be a good idea to Maybe make it a rotating link? i.e., it points to each shop an equal portion of the time. (via js, or CMS rebuilds, or download.cgi, or..)
Re: [UX] OpenOffice iconset consistency
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.comwrote: I was not aware their were branding enhancements in plan. I'll check it out and see where I could help. AFAIK there are a couple documented, the brand refresh during oracle acquisition, and the Apache one. However the Apache one only build on top of Oracle. So far the brand refresh from Oracle included: - Application icons (OOo and components) - Mime-Type icons (Unified ODF document icons) - Tool icons (Used on the Galaxy theme) AFAIK the Galaxy theme are still used under AOO and LibO for that matter. OOo iconset is pretty large, and its task is a bit heavy to just implement a new ones (IMO). You can check out Stella's work here: http://www.behance.net/StellaHH/frame/340726 On Oct 4, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: Got it. Shame to have undeployed resources. Should we explore refreshing the branding and UI in 4.0, we should survey all the available icons and select the set that best suites our needs moving forward. I think is best to focus on completing the current planned branding on the site and product. On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:23 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, we could refresh the icons. Symphony donation includes a set of very professional graphics we should consider reusing. I am sorry, I never suggest to change the icons, I asked for the applications to adopt the current ones already in place. On Oct 3, 2012, at 10:24 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Have a question regarding on the integration of iconset with OpenOffice. At the moment I have seen that there are still a lot of the design from OOo 3 and even 2.4. One of the design that hasn't change is the iconset of the applications. OpenOffice application used to have an icon like [1], and the applications had them like [2], on 3.0 the iconset got a new look [3] , however this was applied only partially, since in the menu looked like this [4] and the internal applications like that[5]. The previous visual design page already listed the guidelines for the new iconset as well as samples within the different sizes of both application and filetypes [6], the new visual design page [7] also have some information regarding this, however the AOO releases hasn't followed. [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OpenOffice.org_3_icon.png [2] http://robistech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Icons-Open-Office-Pack_1.png [3] http://rocketdock.com/images/screenshots/Open-Office-3.2.1.png [4] http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/OOorg_WinXP_Startmenu.png [5] http://imagebin.org/230757 [6] http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/ODF_icons4print.html [7] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Branding+Style+Guide -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [FORUM][REQUEST] Re: [ACEU FUNDING] ticket discount application process has been started
Hi, On 04.10.2012 15:30, RGB ES wrote: 2012/10/4 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com Hi, On 04.10.2012 15:09, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, I had sent out the announcement of the ticket discount application process to ooo-announce, ooo-users and ooo-dev. Thus, the process has been started. Let us collect the applications which are coming in. Can someone (or more) please forward the announcement to our forum? Done. I added it as follow up to the previous comment about the conference. Many thanks. Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [ACEU FUNDING][DISCUSS] draft for announcing travel expense subsidy application process
Hi, on this announcement we had reached consensus, too I will send out the announcement with 2012-10-12, 12:00 (GMT+2) as the application deadline and 2012-10-16 as the goal to have the decision process finished and the notification sent out. Best regards, Oliver. On 01.10.2012 13:18, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, below is my draft for the announcement of the application process for the ACEU 2012 travel expense subsidy for AOO community members. It should be sent to the mailing lists ooo-announce, ooo-users and ooo-dev. It should also be posted in the forum. I am aiming to reach consensus on this announcement until Thursday afternoon in order to let the application process start on Thursday or Friday. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Best regards, Oliver. draft Dear Apache OpenOffice (incubating) community member, we are pleased to announce the following funding to subsidize the travel expenses of AOO community members attending the ApacheCon EU 2012. For up to 10 AOO community members we are providing a travel expense subsidy of about 300,00 EUR respectively 600,00 EUR. You need to apply for the travel expense subsidy by sending an email to the public mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org until date, 12:00 (Central European time, GMT+2). The subject of this email have to be [ACEU 2012 - travel subsidy] YourName. In the content of the email please fill the following fields: - full name - email address - affiliation to the OpenOffice community (something like: committer, user, contributing X, translator, ...) - Apache ID (if available) - accepted or stand-by speaker at ACEU? - description why applying for the ticket discount and why support is needed - job or eduation status (something like: student, employee, freeflancer, ...) - estimated travel expense - estimated needed accommodation - # of nights - other available funding (something like: corporate, ACEU - TAC, ...) - applying for 300,00 EUR or 600,00 EUR? Your travel expenses must be at least 300,00 EUR resp. 600,00 EUR and you are expecting to stay for at least two nights. If you are getting a corporate funding or the ApacheCon EU TAC funding, your application will not be considered. A selection committee will decide on the applications and will send out notifications until date, 12:00 (Central European time, GMT+2). If your application has been accepted you need to confirm your travel expenses, your ACEU attendance and the lack of a corporate or TAC funding at the ApacheCon EU 2012. Afterwards you will receive the money via wire transfer from the ASF treasurer. /draft
Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability
On 10/4/12 4:06 PM, zhun guo wrote: Hi,all,Joost not knew our means. We means ,how to solve the problem,the difficult of ODF interoperate with OOXML ,which Ian Lynch had met. this is for native office software. *The second , cloud office documents company also face the same question, *Google Docs，Microsoft Office 365，Zoho，苹果icloud，Adobe Acrobat.comhttps://www.acrobat.com/ ，ThinkFree http://thinkfree.com/，Cisco WebEx WebOfficehttp://www.weboffice.com/ ，IBM Docs ,etc, use ODF,OOXML,PDF,HTML . Then how to interoperate with each other? by supporting one really open standard like ODF ;-) And work together on improvements or enhancements where necessary. Online editors are tools that work on docs in an cloud storage and desktop clients like AOO can access these docs as well. The question is more how collaborative editing on ODF can be managed in a way that online editors as well as desktop clients can use it. It probably don't have to be a completely new format. Juergen Zhun Guo 2012/10/2 Joost Andrae joost.and...@gmx.de Hi, Am 02.10.2012 13:03, schrieb zhun guo: Hi,Zhengfan and Ian Lynch, All format office documents' interoperability is important. 1. ODF and OOXML, is more concerned about data storage. Microsoft, and OpenOffice is the supporter。But we need ODF and OOXML to be merged to a new one format. And some wroking are doing 。Otherwise， we should face the question,just like Ian Lynch's problem. 2. HTML, is more concerned about data revealing。 Google Docs，IBM Docs，Microsoft Office 365,Zoho,Think Free,Adobe Acobat, Cisco WebEx ,all these cloud office documents select the same format. Maybe it is a new way for office documents interoperability. As Rob Weir ,OASIS OpenDocument TC chairman,says I find the topic of web editor interoperability very interesting. It is, in many ways, the continuation of the office interop battles we have fought for the last decade. But the new technology brings new challenges and new opportunities, and perhaps even an opportunity to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past! ODF? OOXML?PDF?HTML?...I think it is better to choose one format for documents interoperability,than choose two or three! It is important ,just like ASCII which is the basic for Information Interchange. Do you agree? ACSII compared to the characters within a GB18030 font ? This is just one example why ASCII doesn't work here. UNICODE characters within a XML based document format is much better for information exchange especially if you use an application that has been globalized and localized to a valuable number of languages. And as long as ODF and it's counterparts are comparable to other document formats then why should there be a new document format? ODF is ISO and OASIS approved, has been designed for this purpose and it can be used by everyone. And parts of your ideas have already been implemented as UOF in China. Using ODFDOM (http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/) as a basis for such an application could serve very well as a container to proof interoperability between applications by using ODF as it's container. Kind regards, Joost
[ACEU FUNDING] travel expense subsidy application process has been started
Hi, I had sent out the announcement of the travel expense subsidy application process to ooo-announce, ooo-users and ooo-dev. Thus, the process has been started. Again, can some one please forward the message to our forum - Thx in advance. Let us collect the applications which are coming in. Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [ACEU FUNDING] travel expense subsidy application process has been started
2012/10/4 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com Hi, I had sent out the announcement of the travel expense subsidy application process to ooo-announce, ooo-users and ooo-dev. Thus, the process has been started. Again, can some one please forward the message to our forum - Thx in advance. Done ;) Regards Ricardo Let us collect the applications which are coming in. Best regards, Oliver.
Calling all consultants, developers, trainers, etc., offering professional services related to OpenOffice
We're in the process of creating an updated OpenOffice professional services directory, to replace the outdated one that we removed from the website a few months ago. You can see the new page here, still with some test data, but also a real listing: http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html I'd like to invite consultants, trainers, developers, etc., who offer OpenOffice-related services, to submit their information for possible inclusion in this list. Important details on what we're looking for, from a content and format perspective, can be found here: http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html If anything is not clear, please post a question to our ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org mailing list. And please, don't send the listing to me directly, but send them to the ooo-dev mailing list as well, a new thread for each listing. Thanks! -Rob
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Re: [WWW] Do we need a new site logo (for graduation) -- call for volunteers
RGB ES wrote: 2012/10/4 Kay Schenk We all love the orb with gulls, but maybe it's time for a slight update to our logo? Or the header line on our websites (project and user portal). I do not like the idea of another logo change: IMO, the last one is too recent. On the other hand, a reorganization of the header line sounds interesting. Same for me. It's probably early to update the logo, and the new one does a good job at balancing continuity and innovation. But it is a very good idea to rethink the site header, that is currently missing some very common functionality, like a language selector to access Native-Lang sites. Regards, Andrea.
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Re: Which See Gull is Our Logo?
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: Hi Andrew, On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 09:21:39AM -0700, Andrew Rist wrote: The original icon is from Stella Schulze, as seen in http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo3_refresh.html http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo_ui.html http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo_brand.html etc. Unfortunately, in the software grant there are only raster images. The intent was definitely to get the full set of Oracle owned resources to Apache. If we can find the original images, with the full editable vector format, I'm happy to check them in to svn somewhere. I have no idea where those could be; I guess that only Stella knows, may be someone from the old Hamburg team can contact her, and ask. We went around in circles on this back when we revised the gull logo for the website, last May. All we could find was a high-res raster image. No vector version. So that's what was used when Michael Acevedo designed the logo that we're currently using on the website. At that time there was talk of reverse-engineering an SVG from the bitmap, but the consensus at the time was to defer that since we knew we'd be updating the design of the logo for AOO 4.0. Btw, one location for AOO logos, what I tried to encourage as the central location, is here: http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/ -Rob Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair
Also a +1 from me for Andrea as chair. Marcus Am 10/01/2012 11:11 AM, schrieb Oliver-Rainer Wittmann: Hi, On 27.09.2012 23:54, Andrew Rist wrote: I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti. Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project, and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair. I am supporting the nomination of Andrea. Thus, +1 from my side. Best regards, Oliver. On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: Moving right along... I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair. The previous proposed process was discussed in: http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd I'd like to take up where that left off. Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original: You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here: http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair 1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours. Anyone can nominate someone for the role. Self-nominations are fine. And of course nominations can be declined. 2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there are no sustained objections. 3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for another 72 hours. Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some subjects might be directed to ooo-private. 4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees then we vote. Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes would be from PPMC members. If there are more than 2 candidates, there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of the nominees receive an outright majority. (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more than two nominees.) I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin the process now. Andrew
Re: Which See Gull is Our Logo?
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/4/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: Hi Andrew, On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 09:21:39AM -0700, Andrew Rist wrote: The original icon is from Stella Schulze, as seen in http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo3_refresh.html http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo_ui.html http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo_brand.html etc. Unfortunately, in the software grant there are only raster images. The intent was definitely to get the full set of Oracle owned resources to Apache. If we can find the original images, with the full editable vector format, I'm happy to check them in to svn somewhere. I have no idea where those could be; I guess that only Stella knows, may be someone from the old Hamburg team can contact her, and ask. We went around in circles on this back when we revised the gull logo for the website, last May. All we could find was a high-res raster image. No vector version. So that's what was used when Michael Acevedo designed the logo that we're currently using on the website. At that time there was talk of reverse-engineering an SVG from the bitmap, but the consensus at the time was to defer that since we knew we'd be updating the design of the logo for AOO 4.0. Btw, one location for AOO logos, what I tried to encourage as the central location, is here: http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/ hi rob I was on that folder and that's the logo that I thought was a vectorial image but instead is just a jpg inserted on the SVG... no good. http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/svg/OOo_Website_v2_copy.svg opened in vim: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !DOCTYPE svg image x=1100 y=7000 width=25401 height=8461 xlink:href=data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KG goNSUhEUgAAA4QAAAEsCAYAAACbnn2RCXBIWXMAAA3XAAAN Right. We know this. I'm just saying that this was all searched for before last May and this is all we were able to find. -Rob -Rob Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Which See Gull is Our Logo?
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/4/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: On 10/4/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: Hi Andrew, On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 09:21:39AM -0700, Andrew Rist wrote: The original icon is from Stella Schulze, as seen in http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo3_refresh.html http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo_ui.html http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo_brand.html etc. Unfortunately, in the software grant there are only raster images. The intent was definitely to get the full set of Oracle owned resources to Apache. If we can find the original images, with the full editable vector format, I'm happy to check them in to svn somewhere. I have no idea where those could be; I guess that only Stella knows, may be someone from the old Hamburg team can contact her, and ask. We went around in circles on this back when we revised the gull logo for the website, last May. All we could find was a high-res raster image. No vector version. So that's what was used when Michael Acevedo designed the logo that we're currently using on the website. At that time there was talk of reverse-engineering an SVG from the bitmap, but the consensus at the time was to defer that since we knew we'd be updating the design of the logo for AOO 4.0. Btw, one location for AOO logos, what I tried to encourage as the central location, is here: http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/ hi rob I was on that folder and that's the logo that I thought was a vectorial image but instead is just a jpg inserted on the SVG... no good. http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/svg/OOo_Website_v2_copy.svg opened in vim: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !DOCTYPE svg image x=1100 y=7000 width=25401 height=8461 xlink:href=data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KG goNSUhEUgAAA4QAAAEsCAYAAACbnn2RCXBIWXMAAA3XAAAN Right. We know this. I'm just saying that this was all searched for before last May and this is all we were able to find. Ok I got confused for a moment I thought Michael provided an SVG of the logo with the orb. He did. But it was either the same or a variation on the one that you noted: an SVG pointing to a bitmap for the globe with gulls. -Rob I have been working more on the lower shades of the sphere, it looks close to 100% now. http://imagebin.org/230914 Right is Stella orb on jpg, left is mine on svg. -Rob -Rob Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [WWW] Do we need a new site logo (for graduation) -- call for volunteers
Am 10/04/2012 08:05 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: RGB ES wrote: 2012/10/4 Kay Schenk We all love the orb with gulls, but maybe it's time for a slight update to our logo? Or the header line on our websites (project and user portal). I do not like the idea of another logo change: IMO, the last one is too recent. On the other hand, a reorganization of the header line sounds interesting. Same for me. It's probably early to update the logo, and the new one does a good job at balancing continuity and innovation. But it is a very good idea to rethink the site header, that is currently missing some very common functionality, like a language selector to access Native-Lang sites. I fully support Andrea's opinion. Marcus
[CHECKSUMS MAC OS] Need help to check and fix the instructions for the ASC and KEYS hashes on Mac OS
Hi Mac fans, as I've no Mac at hand please can someone help me with verifing and fixing the checksum instructions: http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums/3.4.1_checksums.html#howto This is how you verify with ASC and KEYS hashes on Mac OS A user has reported a problem with the following line: KEYID=0x`... (see IZ 121159 for reference) Thanks in advance Marcus
Re: [FORUM][REQUEST] Re: [ACEU FUNDING] ticket discount application process has been started
2012/10/4 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw On 2012/10/04 22:24, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann said: Hi, On 04.10.2012 15:30, RGB ES wrote: 2012/10/4 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com Hi, On 04.10.2012 15:09, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote: Hi, I had sent out the announcement of the ticket discount application process to ooo-announce, ooo-users and ooo-dev. Thus, the process has been started. Let us collect the applications which are coming in. Can someone (or more) please forward the announcement to our forum? Done. I added it as follow up to the previous comment about the conference. Many thanks. Best regards, Oliver. :p Sorry I did not notice RGB has done it. It seems that I duplicated the work. ^^; I shall read it more carefully next time. No problem, it is more visible now ;) Regards Ricardo -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/
Re: Need Apache Member/Officer to submit list creation request (Was: [PROPOSAL] Reinvigorate extension authors community)
On Oct 4, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 2 October 2012 15:40, Daniel Shahaf danie...@apache.org wrote: Dave Fisher wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 07:33:16 -0700: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5334 Someone else beat me to it. Actually they didn't, as of right now there is no request in the queue (private@incubator will be emailed a notification once the request is made) There is no option on the form for requesting @incubator.apache.org lists. Is this an oversight or me being dumb? I thought the same thing at first. At the bottom of that form there is a link to another specialized for for podling list requests. Some extra structure to support the naming conventions: https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator We want ooo-api@i.a.o Thanks! I submitted this yesterday and it did all of its subversion stuff, but still no list. I was waiting for a message, but I see nothing in private @ i.a.o and nothing in ooo-private? I have no time to try to track this down. Would some other good person do so? Thanks! Regards, Dave -Rob Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: [WWW] Do we need a new site logo (for graduation) -- call for volunteers
On 10/04/2012 01:30 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 10/04/2012 08:05 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: RGB ES wrote: 2012/10/4 Kay Schenk We all love the orb with gulls, but maybe it's time for a slight update to our logo? Or the header line on our websites (project and user portal). I do not like the idea of another logo change: IMO, the last one is too recent. On the other hand, a reorganization of the header line sounds interesting. Same for me. It's probably early to update the logo, and the new one does a good job at balancing continuity and innovation. But it is a very good idea to rethink the site header, that is currently missing some very common functionality, like a language selector to access Native-Lang sites. I fully support Andrea's opinion. Marcus Ok, thanks for the feedback on this item. So, we will say NO to this at this time. I will be updating the wiki page I started on home page changes shortly to reflect this and other things. -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] PMC Chair Nominations
On 10/04/2012 10:34 AM, Donald Harbison wrote: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to open up the vote for PMC Chair later today. I am at a bit of a loss as to how to play this, so I am looking for input from the community. Here is where we stand on nominees: Active Nominees (Accepted Nomination): Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Active Nominees (No Reply Yet): Drew Jensen (atjensen) Declining Nominees: Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) If anyone can reach out to Drew, that would be useful. I understand that he is more focused on Forums, as compared to the ML. That said, the Chair would have to do business on, and be active on the ML. I sent Drew a direct email... with a link to your post here. Hopefully, he'll see it soon. Otherwise, I think it's best to start the ballot. It'd be fantastic to tee up graduation for the October 17th BoD meeting. (IMHO). yes it would! :) Should I start the vote this evening? Should the vote include Andrea and Drew? (this is my current inclination) Andrew On 10/3/2012 2:57 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: We have heard from Andrea. Drew and Louis, do you care to respond? A. On 10/1/2012 3:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: The nominations are in and we have three open nominees (with two nominees declining, so far). I'll hold the discussions open for 72 hours (more if necessary). It would also be good to hear from the nominees, in terms of their thoughts and interest in the position. That's your topic - discuss... Active Nominees: Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Declining Nominees: Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [UX] OpenOffice iconset consistency
...see below... On 10/03/2012 07:24 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Have a question regarding on the integration of iconset with OpenOffice. At the moment I have seen that there are still a lot of the design from OOo 3 and even 2.4. One of the design that hasn't change is the iconset of the applications. OpenOffice application used to have an icon like [1], and the applications had them like [2], on 3.0 the iconset got a new look [3] , however this was applied only partially, since in the menu looked like this [4] and the internal applications like that[5]. The previous visual design page already listed the guidelines for the new iconset as well as samples within the different sizes of both application and filetypes [6], the new visual design page [7] also have some information regarding this, however the AOO releases hasn't followed. [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OpenOffice.org_3_icon.png [2] http://robistech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Icons-Open-Office-Pack_1.png [3] http://rocketdock.com/images/screenshots/Open-Office-3.2.1.png [4] http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/OOorg_WinXP_Startmenu.png On Linux, the only round icon I have is for the main start one -- the orb with gulls. Nothing like [3]. Mostly what I have looks like [2]. [5] http://imagebin.org/230757 [6] http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/ODF_icons4print.html [7] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Branding+Style+Guide -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [UX] OpenOffice iconset consistency
On 10/4/12, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: ...see below... On 10/03/2012 07:24 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: Have a question regarding on the integration of iconset with OpenOffice. At the moment I have seen that there are still a lot of the design from OOo 3 and even 2.4. One of the design that hasn't change is the iconset of the applications. OpenOffice application used to have an icon like [1], and the applications had them like [2], on 3.0 the iconset got a new look [3] , however this was applied only partially, since in the menu looked like this [4] and the internal applications like that[5]. The previous visual design page already listed the guidelines for the new iconset as well as samples within the different sizes of both application and filetypes [6], the new visual design page [7] also have some information regarding this, however the AOO releases hasn't followed. [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:OpenOffice.org_3_icon.png [2] http://robistech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Icons-Open-Office-Pack_1.png [3] http://rocketdock.com/images/screenshots/Open-Office-3.2.1.png [4] http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/gifs/Icons/refresh_icons/OOorg_WinXP_Startmenu.png On Linux, the only round icon I have is for the main start one -- the orb with gulls. Nothing like [3]. Mostly what I have looks like [2]. That was part of my point the icons seemed to be half-assed implemented even thought there is a complete documentation on how to implement them (sizes for applications as well as Unified ODF mime-types). Yet Linux seems to still hold 2.x version of icons (pre-galaxy) except for the main application icon (orb gull). As we move forward, how much of a priority is to finalize the implementation of galaxy icons on all distributions (Linux). [5] http://imagebin.org/230757 [6] http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/ODF_icons4print.html [7] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Branding+Style+Guide -- MzK Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat. -- Robert Heinlein -- Alexandro Colorado PPMC Apache OpenOffice http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Which See Gull is Our Logo?
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 03:05:43PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote: We went around in circles on this back when we revised the gull logo for the website, last May. All we could find was a high-res raster image. No vector version. So that's what was used when Michael Acevedo designed the logo that we're currently using on the website. At that time there was talk of reverse-engineering an SVG from the bitmap, but the consensus at the time was to defer that since we knew we'd be updating the design of the logo for AOO 4.0. Btw, one location for AOO logos, what I tried to encourage as the central location, is here: http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/ ORB images of different sizes, with transparency (most orbs out there have white background), can be taken from http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sysui/desktop/icons/ooo3_main_app.ico Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpuSBhPv0XMc.pgp Description: PGP signature
[VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
This is a call for vote on selecting the PMC Chair the Apache OpenOffice PMC. Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] the Apache OpenOffice podling needs to select a PMC to be listed in the TLP resolution. Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote. Votes from PPMC members and Mentors are binding. This vote will run 72-hours. The balloting will be until UTC midnight Sunday, 7 October: 2012-10-07T24:00Z. [ ] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) [ ] Drew Jensen (atjensen) The [DISCUSS] for this vote can be found at [2] and [3]. Note: Andrea has accepted the nomination - Drew has not responded. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel [2]http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201210.mbox/%3c506a1e72.20...@oracle.com%3E [3]http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201209.mbox/%3c5064c859.9090...@oracle.com%3E
Re: [VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
2012/10/5 Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com This is a call for vote on selecting the PMC Chair the Apache OpenOffice PMC. Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] the Apache OpenOffice podling needs to select a PMC to be listed in the TLP resolution. Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote. Votes from PPMC members and Mentors are binding. This vote will run 72-hours. The balloting will be until UTC midnight Sunday, 7 October: 2012-10-07T24:00Z. [ ] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) [ ] Drew Jensen (atjensen) The [DISCUSS] for this vote can be found at [2] and [3]. Note: Andrea has accepted the nomination - Drew has not responded. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/**guides/graduation.html#**toplevelhttp://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel [2]http://mail-archives.**apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-** ooo-dev/201210.mbox/%**3c506a1e72.20...@oracle.com%3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201210.mbox/%3c506a1e72.20...@oracle.com%3E [3]http://mail-archives.**apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-** ooo-dev/201209.mbox/%**3c5064c859.9090...@oracle.com%**3Ehttp://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201209.mbox/%3c5064c859.9090...@oracle.com%3E [X] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
Re: [VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
Hi On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: This is a call for vote on selecting the PMC Chair the Apache OpenOffice PMC. Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] the Apache OpenOffice podling needs to select a PMC to be listed in the TLP resolution. Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote. Votes from PPMC members and Mentors are binding. This vote will run 72-hours. The balloting will be until UTC midnight Sunday, 7 October: 2012-10-07T24:00Z. [ ] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) [ ] Drew Jensen (atjensen) I vote on Andrea Pescetti for PMC Chair. Thanks, khirano -- khir...@apache.org Apache OpenOffice (incubating) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
RE: [VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
[X] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) -Original Message- From: Andrew Rist [mailto:andrew.r...@oracle.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 16:42 To: ooo-dev Subject: [VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair [ ... ][ [ ] Drew Jensen (atjensen) The [DISCUSS] for this vote can be found at [2] and [3]. Note: Andrea has accepted the nomination - Drew has not responded. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel [2]http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201210.mbox/%3c506a1e72.20...@oracle.com%3E [3]http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201209.mbox/%3c5064c859.9090...@oracle.com%3E
Re: [VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
[X] Drew Jensen (atjensen) Both of the candidates are excellent choices. On 2012/10/05 08:17, Dave Fisher said: [X] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) On Oct 4, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: This is a call for vote on selecting the PMC Chair the Apache OpenOffice PMC. Per the IPMC's Guide to Successful Graduation [1] the Apache OpenOffice podling needs to select a PMC to be listed in the TLP resolution. Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote. Votes from PPMC members and Mentors are binding. This vote will run 72-hours. The balloting will be until UTC midnight Sunday, 7 October: 2012-10-07T24:00Z. [ ] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) [ ] Drew Jensen (atjensen) The [DISCUSS] for this vote can be found at [2] and [3]. Note: Andrea has accepted the nomination - Drew has not responded. [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel [2]http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201210.mbox/%3c506a1e72.20...@oracle.com%3E [3]http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201209.mbox/%3c5064c859.9090...@oracle.com%3E -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ Greenfoot Taiwan http://greenfoot.westart.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability
to Juergen, Microsoft will never support ODF. But Microsoft's market share is 95%. We must cooperate with Microsoft. Which all company support is HTML . So it is the only format ,with it all the company can interoperate? Zhun Guo 2012/10/4 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 10/4/12 4:06 PM, zhun guo wrote: Hi,all,Joost not knew our means. We means ,how to solve the problem,the difficult of ODF interoperate with OOXML ,which Ian Lynch had met. this is for native office software. *The second , cloud office documents company also face the same question, *Google Docs，Microsoft Office 365，Zoho，苹果icloud，Adobe Acrobat.comhttps://www.acrobat.com/ ，ThinkFree http://thinkfree.com/，Cisco WebEx WebOfficehttp://www.weboffice.com/ ，IBM Docs ,etc, use ODF,OOXML,PDF,HTML . Then how to interoperate with each other? by supporting one really open standard like ODF ;-) And work together on improvements or enhancements where necessary. Online editors are tools that work on docs in an cloud storage and desktop clients like AOO can access these docs as well. The question is more how collaborative editing on ODF can be managed in a way that online editors as well as desktop clients can use it. It probably don't have to be a completely new format. Juergen Zhun Guo 2012/10/2 Joost Andrae joost.and...@gmx.de Hi, Am 02.10.2012 13:03, schrieb zhun guo: Hi,Zhengfan and Ian Lynch, All format office documents' interoperability is important. 1. ODF and OOXML, is more concerned about data storage. Microsoft, and OpenOffice is the supporter。But we need ODF and OOXML to be merged to a new one format. And some wroking are doing 。Otherwise， we should face the question,just like Ian Lynch's problem. 2. HTML, is more concerned about data revealing。 Google Docs，IBM Docs，Microsoft Office 365,Zoho,Think Free,Adobe Acobat, Cisco WebEx ,all these cloud office documents select the same format. Maybe it is a new way for office documents interoperability. As Rob Weir ,OASIS OpenDocument TC chairman,says I find the topic of web editor interoperability very interesting. It is, in many ways, the continuation of the office interop battles we have fought for the last decade. But the new technology brings new challenges and new opportunities, and perhaps even an opportunity to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past! ODF? OOXML?PDF?HTML?...I think it is better to choose one format for documents interoperability,than choose two or three! It is important ,just like ASCII which is the basic for Information Interchange. Do you agree? ACSII compared to the characters within a GB18030 font ? This is just one example why ASCII doesn't work here. UNICODE characters within a XML based document format is much better for information exchange especially if you use an application that has been globalized and localized to a valuable number of languages. And as long as ODF and it's counterparts are comparable to other document formats then why should there be a new document format? ODF is ISO and OASIS approved, has been designed for this purpose and it can be used by everyone. And parts of your ideas have already been implemented as UOF in China. Using ODFDOM (http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/) as a basis for such an application could serve very well as a container to proof interoperability between applications by using ODF as it's container. Kind regards, Joost
Re: [VOTE] [PMC] Starting Membership for Apache OpenOffice PMC
[ X ] +1 approve [ ] 0 abstain [ ] -1 disapprove, for the following reasons: Andrew Sent from my iThing On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: This is a call for vote on selecting the following list as the starting membership for the Apache OpenOffice PMC, to be listed in the TLP resolution. The voting is for the entire slate as listed. Apache OpenOffice PMC Starting Membership: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Armin Le Grand (alg) Dave Fisher (wave) Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Ian Lynch (ingotian) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Kazunari Hirano (khirano) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Marcus Lange (marcus) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Peter Junge (pj) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Regina Henschel (regina) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) The balloting will be until UTC midnight Thursday, 4 October: 2012-10-04T24:00Z. Approval requires a majority of +1 over -1 votes cast by members of the PPMC. [ ] +1 approve [ ] 0 abstain [ ] -1 disapprove, for the following reasons: The [DISCUSS] for this vote was enthusiastically in favor. There were no concerns expressed other than issues with the timeframe of discussions, which were suitably extended. (note: All members of this list, except for Drew and Raphael, accepted their nomination to this list. I have left Drew and Raphael on the list as neither declined, and they still have the ability to decline later)
RE: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability
I don't understand. Microsoft began supporting ODF 1.0 in Office 2007 (SP2 I think). They also support ODF 1.0 in Office 2010. In Office 2013/365 there is support for ODF 1.2, including with support of OpenFormula in Excel. There are now three ways to consider interoperability among Office and OpenOffice users - via Office Binary Formats, via OOXML, and via ODF 1.2. Also, the support for ODF documents is now extending to the Web version of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint in the SkyDrive cloud service. That provides a more-limited but useful potential for interchange, at least for the browsers that SkyDrive supports with Office Web access. I assume that there is not full agreement of functionality. I think now is time to see how successful interchange can be. Then learn where are the best areas for improvement. I agree that this interoperability is very important. It is not easy. Not even if everyone is eager and willing. - Dennis -Original Message- From: zhun guo [mailto:mike5...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 19:30 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability to Juergen, Microsoft will never support ODF. But Microsoft's market share is 95%. We must cooperate with Microsoft. Which all company support is HTML . So it is the only format ,with it all the company can interoperate? Zhun Guo 2012/10/4 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com On 10/4/12 4:06 PM, zhun guo wrote: Hi,all,Joost not knew our means. We means ,how to solve the problem,the difficult of ODF interoperate with OOXML ,which Ian Lynch had met. this is for native office software. *The second , cloud office documents company also face the same question, *Google Docs，Microsoft Office 365，Zoho，苹果icloud，Adobe Acrobat.comhttps://www.acrobat.com/ ，ThinkFree http://thinkfree.com/，Cisco WebEx WebOfficehttp://www.weboffice.com/ ，IBM Docs ,etc, use ODF,OOXML,PDF,HTML . Then how to interoperate with each other? by supporting one really open standard like ODF ;-) And work together on improvements or enhancements where necessary. Online editors are tools that work on docs in an cloud storage and desktop clients like AOO can access these docs as well. The question is more how collaborative editing on ODF can be managed in a way that online editors as well as desktop clients can use it. It probably don't have to be a completely new format. Juergen Zhun Guo 2012/10/2 Joost Andrae joost.and...@gmx.de Hi, Am 02.10.2012 13:03, schrieb zhun guo: Hi,Zhengfan and Ian Lynch, All format office documents' interoperability is important. 1. ODF and OOXML, is more concerned about data storage. Microsoft, and OpenOffice is the supporter。But we need ODF and OOXML to be merged to a new one format. And some wroking are doing 。Otherwise， we should face the question,just like Ian Lynch's problem. 2. HTML, is more concerned about data revealing。 Google Docs，IBM Docs，Microsoft Office 365,Zoho,Think Free,Adobe Acobat, Cisco WebEx ,all these cloud office documents select the same format. Maybe it is a new way for office documents interoperability. As Rob Weir ,OASIS OpenDocument TC chairman,says I find the topic of web editor interoperability very interesting. It is, in many ways, the continuation of the office interop battles we have fought for the last decade. But the new technology brings new challenges and new opportunities, and perhaps even an opportunity to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past! ODF? OOXML?PDF?HTML?...I think it is better to choose one format for documents interoperability,than choose two or three! It is important ,just like ASCII which is the basic for Information Interchange. Do you agree? ACSII compared to the characters within a GB18030 font ? This is just one example why ASCII doesn't work here. UNICODE characters within a XML based document format is much better for information exchange especially if you use an application that has been globalized and localized to a valuable number of languages. And as long as ODF and it's counterparts are comparable to other document formats then why should there be a new document format? ODF is ISO and OASIS approved, has been designed for this purpose and it can be used by everyone. And parts of your ideas have already been implemented as UOF in China. Using ODFDOM (http://incubator.apache.org/odftoolkit/) as a basis for such an application could serve very well as a container to proof interoperability between applications by using ODF as it's container. Kind regards, Joost
Re: [VOTE][PMC] PMC Chair
[X] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) [ ] Drew Jensen (atjensen) On Oct 5, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: [ ] Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) [ ] Drew Jensen (atjensen)
Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] PMC Chair Nominations
Am Donnerstag, 4. Oktober 2012 um 19:34 schrieb Donald Harbison: On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: I would like to open up the vote for PMC Chair later today. I am at a bit of a loss as to how to play this, so I am looking for input from the community. Here is where we stand on nominees: Active Nominees (Accepted Nomination): Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Active Nominees (No Reply Yet): Drew Jensen (atjensen) Declining Nominees: Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) If anyone can reach out to Drew, that would be useful. I understand that he is more focused on Forums, as compared to the ML. That said, the Chair would have to do business on, and be active on the ML. I sent Drew a direct email... with a link to your post here. Hopefully, he'll see it soon. Otherwise, I think it's best to start the ballot. It'd be fantastic to tee up graduation for the October 17th BoD meeting. (IMHO). I agree and I also have send Drew an email and asked him for feedback on the mailing list. Juergen Should I start the vote this evening? Should the vote include Andrea and Drew? (this is my current inclination) Andrew On 10/3/2012 2:57 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: We have heard from Andrea. Drew and Louis, do you care to respond? A. On 10/1/2012 3:51 PM, Andrew Rist wrote: The nominations are in and we have three open nominees (with two nominees declining, so far). I'll hold the discussions open for 72 hours (more if necessary). It would also be good to hear from the nominees, in terms of their thoughts and interest in the position. That's your topic - discuss... Active Nominees: Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Declining Nominees: Donald Harbison (dpharbison) Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
