Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Hi *, The following is my list (sorted by Tools - Sort... in AOO Writer): Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Dave Fischer (wave) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Marcus Lange (marcus) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Regina Henschel (regina) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Rob Weir (robweir) Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpt0aifOnTig.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Here's my list of 10: Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kazunari Hirano (khirano) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) (Would have been easier if I were allowed to name 5 or 6 more) On 9/18/2012 2:13 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es)
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
I don't think I could do this fairly so I'm abstaining :-) For me, if people think I can be useful I'm happy to be included but equally I understand there are people much more qualified and with more time and resource to commit than I can so no real problem for me to be excluded. On 19 September 2012 08:40, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: Here's my list of 10: Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kazunari Hirano (khirano) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) (Would have been easier if I were allowed to name 5 or 6 more) On 9/18/2012 2:13 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales.
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
I would agree with Peter's list but would ask that Ian Lynch be considered. Here's why: Whom do we have speaking on behalf of education and ecosystem development? As I'm not on this list—and I'm not suggesting I ought to be—I think that someone like Ian, who's work is so involved with OO and has been—would provide good insight into how what is done at Apache OO affects the ecosystem as a whole. Louis On 12-09-19, at 03:40 , Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: Here's my list of 10: Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kazunari Hirano (khirano) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) (Would have been easier if I were allowed to name 5 or 6 more) On 9/18/2012 2:13 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es)
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Here's my list. Limiting to 10 is indeed a challenge, there are about 5 other people that I would definitely have nominated... Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Marcus Lange (marcus) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Regina Henschel (regina) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Rob Weir (robweir) Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) Regards, Andrea.
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Hi, On 12-09-19, at 22:05 , Yong Lin Ma mayo...@apache.org wrote: Louis, You are on the list. So to Ian. You may understand the process. There will be far more ten on the final PMC roster. This is a chance to give others credits, especially those not been mentioned on any lists yet. As you have no doubt gathered from my subsequent posts, that's not the issue. I mean my being on the list or not. The issue is the display of the list and its management and how it is presented to naive viewers, or even non-naive. I have no particular interest in serving but do believe, as I wrote, that certain areas do need to be served. This is not about ego. The structure of this discussion has already ensnared a few. I would rather, as I mentioned, use a wiki. I'll get to that when I have time tomorrow. Thanks Louis On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree with Peter's list but would ask that Ian Lynch be considered. Here's why: Whom do we have speaking on behalf of education and ecosystem development? As I'm not on this list—and I'm not suggesting I ought to be—I think that someone like Ian, who's work is so involved with OO and has been—would provide good insight into how what is done at Apache OO affects the ecosystem as a whole. Louis On 12-09-19, at 03:40 , Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: Here's my list of 10: Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kazunari Hirano (khirano) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) (Would have been easier if I were allowed to name 5 or 6 more) On 9/18/2012 2:13 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es) -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
On 9/20/2012 11:13 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi, On 12-09-19, at 22:05 , Yong Lin Ma mayo...@apache.org wrote: Louis, You are on the list. So to Ian. You may understand the process. There will be far more ten on the final PMC roster. This is a chance to give others credits, especially those not been mentioned on any lists yet. As you have no doubt gathered from my subsequent posts, that's not the issue. I mean my being on the list or not. The issue is the display of the list and its management and how it is presented to naive viewers, or even non-naive. I have no particular interest in serving but do believe, as I wrote, that certain areas do need to be served. This is not about ego. The structure of this discussion has already ensnared a few. I would rather, as I mentioned, use a wiki. I'll get to that when I have time tomorrow. Andrew's proposal is likely only a first step towards forming a PMC, there will be a discussion going on afterwards. Your idea with the wiki is certainly an excellent way to visualize the results of the ongoing proposal and further elaborate. But I think we shouldn't interrupt the current process now that it's running quite decent. Peter Thanks Louis On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree with Peter's list but would ask that Ian Lynch be considered. Here's why: Whom do we have speaking on behalf of education and ecosystem development? As I'm not on this list—and I'm not suggesting I ought to be—I think that someone like Ian, who's work is so involved with OO and has been—would provide good insight into how what is done at Apache OO affects the ecosystem as a whole. Louis On 12-09-19, at 03:40 , Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: Here's my list of 10: Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kazunari Hirano (khirano) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) (Would have been easier if I were allowed to name 5 or 6 more) On 9/18/2012 2:13 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es) -- Regards Yong Lin Ma
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
On 9/18/12 4:45 AM, Peter Junge wrote: Hi, Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:13:15 -0700 Von: Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com An: ooo-dev ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Betreff: [PMC] Proposed PMC List Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es) I would like to propose a different approach and determining the PMC in three steps. Every step should take 72 hours, then compiling the results and starting the next step: 1. Inclusive step - We start by taking the latest proposed list (*) from the thread Continue work on a final PMC roster (Juergen, Sept 6, 2012) that happened before on ooo-private@. (No reference because not anyone can read the private archives). That list already included 49 committers to be consider for the PMC. As well a couple of 'non-included' persons and 'needs discussion' are listed. During step 1. everybody is free to propose anyone to be added to the is-included list. IMHO, it doesn't matter if the additionally proposed persons are from 'non-included', 'needs discussion' or anyone else. Self-nomination should also be allowed. At the end of step 1., we will have a list of 49 + X proposed PMC members that will be used as input for step 2. 2. Exclusive step 1 --- We contact everyone who is included in the resulting list of step 1., if (s)he wants to be part ob the AOO PMC. A reply is mandatory for anybody who wants to attend the PMC. Committers need to express their interest on working on AOO governance. Persons who do not reply will be excluded and of course all those who simply say: 'no'. After step 2. we will have a shorter list that is then used as input for step 3. 3. Exclusive step 2 --- That will be the toughest step and certainly spark controversy again. Committers may raise concerns who of the persons remaining after step 2. is not appropriate to attend the AOO PMC. From my point of view, candidates shouldn't be removed with a single veto, but every proposal for removal that finds supporters needs to be carried out. The result of step 3. in a agreed-on list of PMC members. Please comment on my proposal. If there are no significant objections, I would draft an initial posting for executing the above proposed procedure next weekend. Processing will likely take about 2 weeks: 3x72h + a couple of days to compile results and moving forward to the step in between. I think it is counterproductive that whenever we try to push the PMC roster selection process forward somebody comes up with a new proposal that she/he prefers over the others. Any attempt on ooo-private to continue the started selection process got interrupted by somebody for whatever reasons. I say we should concentrate on finishing things that have to be done anyway and let us move forward and let us come to an agreement. Andrew's proposal was known for some days now and nobody really complained and nobody tried to push it forward. Probably because some attempts on private were interrupted immediately. Now we started to give this attempt a try with a clear timeline of one week and check the result afterwards. Why not simply trying it? And the explained way sounds reasonable to get an impression which people have merit enough trust and confidence by the rest of the community to serve in the PCM. Several approaches could be used and probably all come to a similar result. I believe at least all filter processes will come to a similar result. In the end it doesn't really matter and the selected PMC will be the start only and will grow over time. A few words below to our initial approach on ooo-private to help people to understand how we started the initial process. I reused parts of a draft that I had ready for several days and where I of course proposed also a new approach. But I skipped the proposal because it is similar to Andrews. And more important is not how we accomplish the PMC roster but that we finish it. And that we can all support the selected approach. We should continue the graduation process because I still believe that we are ready. And the best way to demonstrate that we can manage ourselves is to move this PMC roster definition, the PMC chair selection and the graduation forward in the Apache way. Graduation and being a TLP will be the last important signal to the public that AOO is arrived at Apache finally and can be probably seen as a safe investment to migrate to or to build a business on top of it. All this will help to grow our project. And that is our all goal, we want a growing community by bringing more people to OpenOffice and to participate more active in the community. So let us move forward and let us take the exit of the circle.
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Hi Peter and all, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: Hirano-san, Thanks a lot for the honor, but I've certainly earned to few merits recently to be part of such small circle. Thanks, Peter. I think it is good to know for us that you think that you earned few merits to be part of PMC. I don't think so but it is good to hear what you think about it, right? :) This list 10 names for PMC try is a good try because we can see who would not like to be part of PMC, whom we would like to manage the project (the product and the community) and why we think like that, etc. When I made my list of 10, I thought PMC should be diverse in its member's language, area of expertise, etc. And I listed those 10 people because I understand their English on our mailing lists well. I mean their messages on lists were clear to me. I could see what they would like to say and to do for Apache OpenOffice. I thought a good PMC would give us clear messages. Thanks, khirano - khir...@apache.org Apache OpenOffice (incubating) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Hi, from my point of view we should give Andrew's approach a try. Thus, here are my ten names: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison) Herbert Dürr (hdu) Jian Fang Zhang (zhangjf) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Marcus Lange (marcus) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, from my point of view we should give Andrew's approach a try. Thus, here are my ten names: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison) Herbert Dürr (hdu) Jian Fang Zhang (zhangjf) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Marcus Lange (marcus) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Here are my 10: Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) David Fisher (wave) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Thomas J. Frazier (yj) Hagar Delest (hagar) Regards, -Rob Best regards, Oliver.
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
2012/9/18 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com And, please remove me from consideration. I don't really feel I qualify for a variety of reasons, Many of us consider that you really qualify for a variety of reasons, so you'll be on my list too :) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Regina Henschel (regina) Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) Regards Ricardo
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/18/12 4:45 AM, Peter Junge wrote: Hi, Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:13:15 -0700 Von: Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com An: ooo-dev ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Betreff: [PMC] Proposed PMC List Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es) I would like to propose a different approach and determining the PMC in three steps. Every step should take 72 hours, then compiling the results and starting the next step: 1. Inclusive step - We start by taking the latest proposed list (*) from the thread Continue work on a final PMC roster (Juergen, Sept 6, 2012) that happened before on ooo-private@. (No reference because not anyone can read the private archives). That list already included 49 committers to be consider for the PMC. As well a couple of 'non-included' persons and 'needs discussion' are listed. During step 1. everybody is free to propose anyone to be added to the is-included list. IMHO, it doesn't matter if the additionally proposed persons are from 'non-included', 'needs discussion' or anyone else. Self-nomination should also be allowed. At the end of step 1., we will have a list of 49 + X proposed PMC members that will be used as input for step 2. 2. Exclusive step 1 --- We contact everyone who is included in the resulting list of step 1., if (s)he wants to be part ob the AOO PMC. A reply is mandatory for anybody who wants to attend the PMC. Committers need to express their interest on working on AOO governance. Persons who do not reply will be excluded and of course all those who simply say: 'no'. After step 2. we will have a shorter list that is then used as input for step 3. 3. Exclusive step 2 --- That will be the toughest step and certainly spark controversy again. Committers may raise concerns who of the persons remaining after step 2. is not appropriate to attend the AOO PMC. From my point of view, candidates shouldn't be removed with a single veto, but every proposal for removal that finds supporters needs to be carried out. The result of step 3. in a agreed-on list of PMC members. Please comment on my proposal. If there are no significant objections, I would draft an initial posting for executing the above proposed procedure next weekend. Processing will likely take about 2 weeks: 3x72h + a couple of days to compile results and moving forward to the step in between. I think it is counterproductive that whenever we try to push the PMC roster selection process forward somebody comes up with a new proposal that she/he prefers over the others. Any attempt on ooo-private to continue the started selection process got interrupted by somebody for whatever reasons. +1 A review of Buridan's Ass is in order: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buridan%27s_ass We need to start eating more hay, and spend less time designing equivalent bales of hay. IMHO, of course. -Rob I say we should concentrate on finishing things that have to be done anyway and let us move forward and let us come to an agreement. Andrew's proposal was known for some days now and nobody really complained and nobody tried to push it forward. Probably because some attempts on private were interrupted immediately. Now we started to give this attempt a try with a clear timeline of one week and check the result afterwards. Why not simply trying it? And the explained way sounds reasonable to get an impression which people have merit enough trust and confidence by the rest of the community to serve in the PCM. Several approaches could be used and probably all come to a similar result. I believe at least all filter processes will come to a similar result. In the end it doesn't really matter and the selected PMC will be the start only and will grow over time. A few words below to our initial approach on ooo-private to help people to understand how we started the initial process. I reused parts of a draft that I had ready for several days and where I of course proposed also a new approach. But I skipped the proposal because it is similar to Andrews. And more important is not how we accomplish the PMC roster but that we finish it. And that we can all support the selected approach. We should continue the graduation process because I still believe that we are ready. And the best way to demonstrate that we can manage ourselves is to move this PMC roster definition, the PMC chair selection and the graduation forward in the Apache way. Graduation and being a TLP will be the last important signal to the public that AOO is arrived at Apache finally and can be probably seen as a safe
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
On 09/18/2012 10:29 AM, RGB ES wrote: 2012/9/18 Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com And, please remove me from consideration. I don't really feel I qualify for a variety of reasons, Ok, thanks. Perhaps I should reconsider. :) Many of us consider that you really qualify for a variety of reasons, so you'll be on my list too :) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Regina Henschel (regina) Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) Regards Ricardo -- MzK We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly being filled. The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and let the beautiful stuff out. -- Ray Bradbury, Zen in the Art of Writing
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Oh, it's hard to be limited to 10 names. Here is my selection: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Armin Le Grand (alg) Hagar Delest (hagar) Juergen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) Thomas J. Frazier (tj) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Kind regards Regina
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
It's really hard to choose just 10 people if you want to see more people on a list. But OK, here is my list: Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Armin Le Grand (alg) Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Marcus
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
I have no objections to Andrew original list. If I were to add 10 more people; Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Armin Le Grand (alg) Claudio Filho (filhocf) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Maho NAKATA (maho) Peter Junge (pj)Regina Henschel (regina) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) Yuri Dario (ydario) There are more people but I will limit myself to suggesting only 10 . Pedro. From: Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com To: ooo-dev ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: [PMC] Proposed PMC List Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es)
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Premature and lacking details. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com wrote: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es)
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We have not agreed to Andrew's proposal to use this approach, Go White Sox! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: I have no objections to Andrew original list. If I were to add 10 more people; Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Armin Le Grand (alg) Claudio Filho (filhocf) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Maho NAKATA (maho) Peter Junge (pj)Regina Henschel (regina) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) Yuri Dario (ydario) There are more people but I will limit myself to suggesting only 10 . Pedro. From: Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com To: ooo-dev ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: [PMC] Proposed PMC List Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es)
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: We have not agreed to Andrew's proposal to use this approach, Aside from derailing yet another honest attempt at moving this forward, do you have a constructive counter-proposal to make? -Rob Go White Sox! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: I have no objections to Andrew original list. If I were to add 10 more people; Andrew Rist (arist) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Armin Le Grand (alg) Claudio Filho (filhocf) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Maho NAKATA (maho) Peter Junge (pj)Regina Henschel (regina) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) Yuri Dario (ydario) There are more people but I will limit myself to suggesting only 10 . Pedro. From: Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com To: ooo-dev ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: [PMC] Proposed PMC List Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es)
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
On 09/17/2012 11:13 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es) OK, here is my list (I am not going to do the addition approach as Dave did, but just start with my own selection). And, please remove me from consideration. I don't really feel I qualify for a variety of reasons, and I think personal issues this coming year will prohibit me from participation on any reasonable level. Thanks. Andrew Rist (arist) Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es) -- MzK We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly being filled. The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and let the beautiful stuff out. -- Ray Bradbury, Zen in the Art of Writing
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Hi all, Let us try it :) It is very hard to make a list of 10 for PMC! Here is my list. Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Andrew Rist (arist) Ian Lynch (ingotian) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Maho NAKATA (maho) Marcus Lange (marcus) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Peter Junge (pj) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) Thanks, khirano -- khir...@apache.org Apache OpenOffice (incubating) http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Hi, Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:13:15 -0700 Von: Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com An: ooo-dev ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Betreff: [PMC] Proposed PMC List Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) RGB.ES (rgb-es) I would like to propose a different approach and determining the PMC in three steps. Every step should take 72 hours, then compiling the results and starting the next step: 1. Inclusive step - We start by taking the latest proposed list (*) from the thread Continue work on a final PMC roster (Juergen, Sept 6, 2012) that happened before on ooo-private@. (No reference because not anyone can read the private archives). That list already included 49 committers to be consider for the PMC. As well a couple of 'non-included' persons and 'needs discussion' are listed. During step 1. everybody is free to propose anyone to be added to the is-included list. IMHO, it doesn't matter if the additionally proposed persons are from 'non-included', 'needs discussion' or anyone else. Self-nomination should also be allowed. At the end of step 1., we will have a list of 49 + X proposed PMC members that will be used as input for step 2. 2. Exclusive step 1 --- We contact everyone who is included in the resulting list of step 1., if (s)he wants to be part ob the AOO PMC. A reply is mandatory for anybody who wants to attend the PMC. Committers need to express their interest on working on AOO governance. Persons who do not reply will be excluded and of course all those who simply say: 'no'. After step 2. we will have a shorter list that is then used as input for step 3. 3. Exclusive step 2 --- That will be the toughest step and certainly spark controversy again. Committers may raise concerns who of the persons remaining after step 2. is not appropriate to attend the AOO PMC. From my point of view, candidates shouldn't be removed with a single veto, but every proposal for removal that finds supporters needs to be carried out. The result of step 3. in a agreed-on list of PMC members. Please comment on my proposal. If there are no significant objections, I would draft an initial posting for executing the above proposed procedure next weekend. Processing will likely take about 2 weeks: 3x72h + a couple of days to compile results and moving forward to the step in between. Peter (*) For those who haven't followed the discussion the latest proposed list in pass 5 was: == PMC member== Albino Neto (bino28) Allen Pulsifer (apulsifer) Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Andrew Rist (arist) Antón Méixome (meixome) Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) Armin Le Grand (alg) Carl B. Marcum (cmarcum) Claudio Filho (filhocf) Cyril Beaussier (bidouille) Damjan Jovanovic (damjan) Dave Barton (bmcs) David Fisher (wave) (Apache Membeber) David McKay (thegurkha) Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison) Drew Jensen (atjensen) Graham Lauder (yo) Herbert Dürr (hdu) Ian Lynch (ingotian) Jian Fang Zhang (zhangjf) Jian Hong Cheng (chengjh) Jim Jagielski (jim) (Apache Membeber) Jin Hua Chen (chenjinh) Juan C. Sanz (jucasaca) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Kay Schenk (kschenk) Kazunari Hirano (khirano) Louis Suarez-Potts (louis) Maho NAKATA (maho) Marcus Lange (marcus) Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Peter Junge (pj) Phillip Rhodes (prhodes) Raphael Bircher (rbircher) Regina Henschel (regina) RGB.ES (rgb-es) Rob Weir (robweir) Roberto Galoppini (galoppini) Roberto Salomon (salomon) Simon Brouwer (simonbr) Thomas J. Frazier (yj) Wang Lei (leiw) Yang Shih-Ching (imacat) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) Yuri Dario (ydario) Zhe Wang (wangzcdl) Zoltán Reizinger (r4zoli) == Needs discussion == An Hongyun (hyan) Michal Hrin Paolo Pozzan Hagar Delest Frank Peters Jomar Silva Xia Zhao Eike Rathke == No PMC member (for now) == Arthur Buijs (artietee) Christian Lippka (clippka) Christoph Jopp (cjopp) Florent André (florent) Ingrid von der Mehden (ingrid) Ivo Hinkelmann (ivo) Kai Ahrens (kahrens) Kai Sommerfeld (kso) Lawrence Rosen (lrosen) (Apache Member) Malte Timmermann (malte) Manfred A. Reiter (fredao) Martin Hollmichel (mhollmichel) Mathias Bauer (mbauer) Stefan Taxhet (st) Stephan Bergmann (sb) Steve Lee (stevelee) Yegor Kozlov (yegor) (Apache Member) == Emeritus == Wolf Halton (wolfhalton)(per his request) Dennis E. Hamilton (orcmid) (per his request)
Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List
Hirano-san, Thanks a lot for the honor, but I've certainly earned to few merits recently to be part of such small circle. Peter On 9/18/2012 9:43 AM, Kazunari Hirano wrote: Hi all, Let us try it :) It is very hard to make a list of 10 for PMC! Here is my list. Andre Fischer (af) Andrea Pescetti (pescetti) Andrew Rist (arist) Ian Lynch (ingotian) Jürgen Schmidt (jsc) Maho NAKATA (maho) Marcus Lange (marcus) Pedro Giffuni (pfg) Peter Junge (pj) Yong Lin Ma (mayongl) Thanks, khirano
