Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
Hi, Examples: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background.png http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background2.png I know that probably many have an opinion about the color. But more important for now is the question if we want such a change in general. In the end the color should fit to other branding items as well. UX has probably some comments and feedback here as well? how about to make this background configurable ? Kind regards, Joost
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
On 10/12/12 11:24 AM, Joost Andrae wrote: > Hi, > >> Examples: >> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background.png >> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background2.png >> >> I know that probably many have an opinion about the color. But more >> important for now is the question if we want such a change in general. >> In the end the color should fit to other branding items as well. >> >> UX has probably some comments and feedback here as well? >> > > how about to make this background configurable ? it is already ;-) See Tools->Options->Appearance->Application background. I am talking about a new default only and fixing the start center problem. Juergen
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
Hi. On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > Examples: > http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background.png > http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background2.png Good. I got used to both the gray, I feel different with other background colors. -- Albino
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
2012/10/12 Jürgen Schmidt > Hi, > > I am seeking for some small changes to give our product a little fresh > look. Changes that are more low cost and don't require huge > implementation efforts. > > For example all the grey colors are not so nice and I tried a new color > for the application background. I would like to propose that we change > the default color to a new fresh one. If our users don't like and prefer > the old grey one they can easy revert it via the option dialog. > > The question is about the start center because the changed application > background has no impact on the start center yet. But I think this is a > bug. > > Examples: > http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background.png > http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background2.png > > I know that probably many have an opinion about the color. But more > important for now is the question if we want such a change in general. > In the end the color should fit to other branding items as well. > > UX has probably some comments and feedback here as well? > > Juergen > The change is a good idea, but that blue seems a bit too strong to my eyes. Considering that a normal user will spend many hours in front of the product, light colours are better, IMO. Regards Ricardo
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:45:25AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 10/12/12 11:24 AM, Joost Andrae wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> Examples: > >> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background.png > >> http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background2.png > >> > >> I know that probably many have an opinion about the color. But more > >> important for now is the question if we want such a change in general. > >> In the end the color should fit to other branding items as well. > >> > >> UX has probably some comments and feedback here as well? > >> > > > > how about to make this background configurable ? > > it is already ;-) See Tools->Options->Appearance->Application > background. I am talking about a new default only and fixing the start > center problem. The start center ignores the Appearance configuration (something like svtools::ColorConfig().GetColorValue(svtools::APPBACKGROUND).nColor) and uses instead the "workspace gradient", see framework::BackingWindow::Paint() in trunk/main/framework/source/services/backingwindow.hxx|cxx The default is defined in trunk/main/vcl/inc/vcl/settings.hxx #define DEFAULT_WORKSPACE_GRADIENT_START_COLOR Color( 0xa3, 0xae, 0xb8 ) #define DEFAULT_WORKSPACE_GRADIENT_END_COLOR Color( 0x73, 0x7e, 0x88 ) and set in void ImplStyleData::SetStandardStyles() main/vcl/source/app/settings.cxx In dark themes it is set to black, see void Window::ImplUpdateGlobalSettings( AllSettings& rSettings, sal_Bool bCallHdl ) in main/vcl/source/window/window.cxx It looks like playing with this should take also into account high contrast / dark themes, because leaving the default app. background in the Tools dialog makes the background change accordingly. That said, AOO look really horrible in dark themes, but that's another issue :) Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpJ5riR0YGp2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 09:23:28AM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > That said, AOO look really horrible in dark themes, but that's another > issue :) http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/startcenterhc.png ugly, at least on Linux Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpBooBb9oaBC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
On 10/12/12 2:23 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:45:25AM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> On 10/12/12 11:24 AM, Joost Andrae wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Examples: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background.png http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background2.png I know that probably many have an opinion about the color. But more important for now is the question if we want such a change in general. In the end the color should fit to other branding items as well. UX has probably some comments and feedback here as well? >>> >>> how about to make this background configurable ? >> >> it is already ;-) See Tools->Options->Appearance->Application >> background. I am talking about a new default only and fixing the start >> center problem. > > The start center ignores the Appearance configuration (something like > svtools::ColorConfig().GetColorValue(svtools::APPBACKGROUND).nColor) and > uses instead the "workspace gradient", see > framework::BackingWindow::Paint() in > trunk/main/framework/source/services/backingwindow.hxx|cxx > > The default is defined in trunk/main/vcl/inc/vcl/settings.hxx > > #define DEFAULT_WORKSPACE_GRADIENT_START_COLOR Color( 0xa3, 0xae, 0xb8 ) > #define DEFAULT_WORKSPACE_GRADIENT_END_COLOR Color( 0x73, 0x7e, 0x88 ) > > > and set in void ImplStyleData::SetStandardStyles() > main/vcl/source/app/settings.cxx > > In dark themes it is set to black, see > void Window::ImplUpdateGlobalSettings( AllSettings& rSettings, sal_Bool > bCallHdl ) > in main/vcl/source/window/window.cxx > > It looks like playing with this should take also into account high > contrast / dark themes, because leaving the default app. background in > the Tools dialog makes the background change accordingly. That said, AOO > look really horrible in dark themes, but that's another issue :) I agree but that is indeed another issue. And complete and consistently working themes would be very nice. For me it looked simply wrong and inconsistent that when I changed the application background the background of start center didn't changed as well. Juergen > > > Regards >
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
On 10/12/12 2:29 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 09:23:28AM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: >> That said, AOO look really horrible in dark themes, but that's another >> issue :) > > http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/startcenterhc.png > ugly, at least on Linux > agree, and that is probably my false, maybe I have missed to update hc images for right part of the start center. I will check it Juergen
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
Am 10/12/2012 10:34 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: Hi, I am seeking for some small changes to give our product a little fresh look. Changes that are more low cost and don't require huge implementation efforts. For example all the grey colors are not so nice and I tried a new color for the application background. I would like to propose that we change the default color to a new fresh one. If our users don't like and prefer the old grey one they can easy revert it via the option dialog. The question is about the start center because the changed application background has no impact on the start center yet. But I think this is a bug. Or maybe not. The dialog option talked about the *Application background*. As the start center is not part of any application module, it has to be seen separated. But I'm with you, it should be configurable via this dialog option, too. Marcus Examples: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background.png http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background2.png I know that probably many have an opinion about the color. But more important for now is the question if we want such a change in general. In the end the color should fit to other branding items as well. UX has probably some comments and feedback here as well? Juergen
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
On 12/10/2012 RGB ES wrote: 2012/10/12 Jürgen Schmidt For example all the grey colors are not so nice and I tried a new color for the application background. I would like to propose that we change the default color to a new fresh one. If our users don't like and prefer the old grey one they can easy revert it via the option dialog. Examples: http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background.png http://people.apache.org/~jsc/test/aoo_new_defautl_background2.png The change is a good idea, but that blue seems a bit too strong to my eyes. I agree that the change (setting the default to non-grey, while leaving of course the possibility to go set the color as it is now) is a good idea. I played a bit with the colors at Tools->Options->OpenOffice.org->Appearance->Application background and "Blue 9" seems easier on the eyes: http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/aoo-background-blue9.png but it is still not optimal and all other colors should probably be tweaked to apply a consistent palette. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
Hi, I played a bit with the colors at Tools->Options->OpenOffice.org->Appearance->Application background and "Blue 9" seems easier on the eyes: http://people.apache.org/~pescetti/tmp/aoo-background-blue9.png but it is still not optimal and all other colors should probably be tweaked to apply a consistent palette. +1 Kind regards, Joost
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
On 10/12/2012 05:29 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 09:23:28AM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: That said, AOO look really horrible in dark themes, but that's another issue :) http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/startcenterhc.png ugly, at least on Linux this would be a definite NO for me! as for Juergen's original post with colors -- either one would work for me, and maybe becasue of my color configuration, they don't look much different. :/ Regards -- MzK "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat." -- Robert Heinlein
Re: [UX]: potential new default color for application background
KG01 - see comments inline. On Oct 19, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 10/12/2012 05:29 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 09:23:28AM -0300, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: >>> That said, AOO look really horrible in dark themes, but that's another >>> issue :) >> >> http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/startcenterhc.png >> ugly, at least on Linux > > this would be a definite NO for me! > > as for Juergen's original post with colors -- either one would work for me, > and maybe becasue of my color configuration, they don't look much different. > :/ Kg01 - ideally, colours in the UI, outside the OS defaults should all draw from a common palette. Candidates include: app icons, toolbar icons, thumbnails, wizard graphics, custom colour like page background. In this case, a default background colour change is fine, but only if the colour value is harmonious with workspace. A goal is to make the page canvas more predominant so the user can focus in the work. Selecting the wrong colour would only distract and stand out as odd. Our brains interpret colour like sound, knowing when a colour does not belong. The wrong colour is like playing some notes in a song out of key. Let's explore any UI changes holistically. Let get some design explorations into the UX opportunity backlog. > >> >> >> Regards >> > > -- > > MzK > > "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never > dealt with a cat." > -- Robert Heinlein
