Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SATA Expansion cards
Jerry Kemp wrote: I thought that SATA expansion cards were always bad news when used with Solaris, and Solaris based distro's. He was really asking for SATA host bus adapters. There are tons of horror stories out there, primarily thru the ZFS mailing list. The bad news comes with using SATA drives via SAS expanders, i.e. it's not a good idea to use SATA drives in SAS JBODs. (A SATA drive directly connected to a host bus SAS port is usually fine however.) -- Andrew ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
[OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
Hi, My Solaris 11 install is getting a little long in the tooth and I still use this poor old machine kind of a lot for small development, pdp11 emulation and its real serial ports, etc. I would like to keep it because it's pretty low power, reliable as dirt, and still supports the very comfortable Sun type 4 unix keyboard, which I still feel a little paralyzed trying to do without. I'm running into problems with new software (CSW, in particular) wanting more recent libs than the OS has. So I guess (*sigh*) it's time to update the OS bits. Is it feasible to install Hipster or OI on such a meagerly appointed machine? I don't even have a dvd player; just cd. SunOS beep 5.11 snv_65 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 Memory size: 256 Megabytes thx jake ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
Jacob Ritorto wrote: Hi, My Solaris 11 install is getting a little long in the tooth and I still use this poor old machine kind of a lot for small development, pdp11 emulation and its real serial ports, etc. I would like to keep it because it's pretty low power, reliable as dirt, and still supports the very comfortable Sun type 4 unix keyboard, which I still feel a little paralyzed trying to do without. I'm running into problems with new software (CSW, in particular) wanting more recent libs than the OS has. So I guess (*sigh*) it's time to update the OS bits. Is it feasible to install Hipster or OI on such a meagerly appointed machine? I don't even have a dvd player; just cd. SunOS beep 5.11 snv_65 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 Memory size: 256 Megabytes An Ultra 5 is a SPARC system. No one builds OpenIndiana for SPARC. The two Illumos distributions for SPARC that I know of are OpenSXCE and Tribblix. Another option would be to use Solaris 11 Express if it still exists anywhere - it's old, but not as old as snv_65. I think it still had sun4u support, but I could be mistaken. Solaris 11 itself no longer supports sun4u systems except the Sun/Fujitsu M-series (M3000/4000/5000/8000/9000). Do you have to stick with SPARC? Your Ultra 5 is going to be way slower than any current (and many old) x86 systems, which are supported by all the Illumos distributions. -- Andrew ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
> Is it feasible to install Hipster or OI on such a meagerly appointed > machine? I don't even have a dvd player; just cd. > > SunOS beep 5.11 snv_65 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 > Memory size: 256 Megabytes > That's a sparc box. You aren't going to be able to run OI (any version, including hipster) or most of the illumos distros. You've really got 2 options. OpenSXCE or Tribblix. http://www.opensxce.org/ http://www.tribblix.org/download.html Now, the Tribblix iso should fit on a CD. (Although to be honest that's largely accidental as I haven't built most of the packages for sparc yet.) As should the OpenSXCE text iso. The really hard part is going to be booting the CD in that small amount of memory. The root archive on the Tribblix iso is currently 200M, and that gets loaded into memory - you really don't have any space left to breathe. (I don't know offhand how big the OpenSXCE boot archive is, but it's likely to be pretty similar.) This isn't a truly fundamental problem - the root archive ends up being pretty large because it has support for everything in it by default, and it should be possible to produce a custom iso with a much smaller root archive. One of the things I'm interested in is minimal-footprint configurations, so doing that (and any other work to improve efficiency and reduce the footprint) is on my agenda, but it's going to take time. (And it's difficult for me to test, as I don't personally have any sparc hardware left that's that old or small. On x86 I think I managed to boot a custom iso in 400M and run in 256M, but there I can fiddle the settings in a VirtualBox VM.) Another way would be to use the existing OS to install a newer distro in an alternate boot environment. In any event, you're likely to be in for a modest amount of work and you're off into the weeds; the population of illumos users working on sparc is pretty small. -- -Peter Tribble http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
You have taken it a lot further than I would have. For an Ultra 5 or 10, I probably would not have gone past Solaris 10, and due to your ram being well under 4 Gb, I would stay on UFS vs ZFS. When you say "Solaris 11 install" in reference to this box, do you mean an install of Sun OpenSolaris? Or Oracle Solaris 11 Express? By default, and beginning with Solaris 11 proper, Oracle Solaris 11 will not install on a Sparc system unless it is a T series or M series at the low end. I understand you stating it is a good box, I have an Ultra 10 myself that is still chugging along, either way, I would take this time to max out the ram on your system. I believe that the Ultra 5/10 system board will hold 1 Gb of RAM. It seem that you have quite a few more years planned into your Ultra 5, and it is available new for reasonable prices, or there are a number of old hardware support list where I suspect that you could acquire more RAM for the cost of shipping. Jerry On 02/ 1/15 12:09 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: Hi, My Solaris 11 install is getting a little long in the tooth and I still use this poor old machine kind of a lot for small development, pdp11 emulation and its real serial ports, etc. I would like to keep it because it's pretty low power, reliable as dirt, and still supports the very comfortable Sun type 4 unix keyboard, which I still feel a little paralyzed trying to do without. I'm running into problems with new software (CSW, in particular) wanting more recent libs than the OS has. So I guess (*sigh*) it's time to update the OS bits. Is it feasible to install Hipster or OI on such a meagerly appointed machine? I don't even have a dvd player; just cd. SunOS beep 5.11 snv_65 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 Memory size: 256 Megabytes thx jake ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SATA Expansion cards
On 01/31/2015 06:45 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote: I thought that SATA expansion cards were always bad news when used with Solaris, and Solaris based distro's. There are tons of horror stories out there, primarily thru the ZFS mailing list. Has this changed? Are there end users out there using SATA expansion cards with OpenIndiana, Solaris, etc. with positive and reliable results? Jerry ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss FWIW, I have a server doing video streaming that has a multitude of Intel RES2SV240 expanders hanging off of LSI controllers, and have not experienced problems except when I first configured it and tried to have multiple layers of expander. I don't recall what exactly the problem was (it was quite a while ago), but I no longer try to hang expanders off of other expanders. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SATA Expansion cards
cjt wrote: On 01/31/2015 06:45 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote: I thought that SATA expansion cards were always bad news when used with Solaris, and Solaris based distro's. There are tons of horror stories out there, primarily thru the ZFS mailing list. Has this changed? Are there end users out there using SATA expansion cards with OpenIndiana, Solaris, etc. with positive and reliable results? Jerry FWIW, I have a server doing video streaming that has a multitude of Intel RES2SV240 expanders hanging off of LSI controllers, and have not experienced problems except when I first configured it and tried to have multiple layers of expander. I don't recall what exactly the problem was (it was quite a while ago), but I no longer try to hang expanders off of other expanders. SAS or SATA drives? The problems are with the poor implementations of SATA Tunneling Protocol in the SAS expanders, so it only impacts SATA drives, not SAS drives. Having said that, I haven't heard of anyone using RES2SV240 before - do you know if it uses standard LSI SAS expander chips, or something else? -- Andrew Gabriel ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
Jerry Kemp wrote: You have taken it a lot further than I would have. For an Ultra 5 or 10, I probably would not have gone past Solaris 10, and due to your ram being well under 4 Gb, I would stay on UFS vs ZFS. When you say "Solaris 11 install" in reference to this box, do you mean an install of Sun OpenSolaris? snv_65 is an early development build of Solaris 11 - actually more like Solaris 10 than even the earliest Solaris 11 releases. Or Oracle Solaris 11 Express? By default, and beginning with Solaris 11 proper, Oracle Solaris 11 will not install on a Sparc system unless it is a T series or M series at the low end. I understand you stating it is a good box, I have an Ultra 10 myself that is still chugging along, either way, I would take this time to max out the ram on your system. I believe that the Ultra 5/10 system board will hold 1 Gb of RAM. It seem that you have quite a few more years planned into your Ultra 5, and it is available new for reasonable prices, or there are a number of old hardware support list where I suspect that you could acquire more RAM for the cost of shipping. Max for Ultra 5 was actually 512Mb. The motherboard will take 1Gb and people have done it, but in theory it exceeds max power draw on one of the rails and some DIMMs are too tall without taking something out of the case (floppy disk drive, and/or the never used smart card reader housing, IIRC). Also note that the boot code in the Ultra 5/10 is exceedingly slow reading in the boot archive - it wasn't originally designed for reading in files of anything like that size, and is very non-optimal when doing so (takes many minutes). -- Andrew Gabriel ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
On 02/ 1/15 11:19 AM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Another option would be to use Solaris 11 Express if it still exists anywhere - it's old, but not as old as snv_65. I think it still had sun4u support, but I could be mistaken. I don't think it's still available, but yes, Solaris 11 Express 2010.11 (aka snv_151, a build 3.5 years newer that snv_65 from May 2007) did have sun4u support still. They didn't stop booting until snv_163, which only went to customers in the private beta, not a public release. -alan- ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SATA Expansion cards
I used the RES2SV240 card in OI for a while with no issues. It is a standard LSI based LSISAS2x expander chip. Use it now in FreeNAS and the 9211-8i card functions fine with SATA drives. I currently have 20 SATA drives connected to it with no issues while running IT firmware and ZFS. I have also tried a SATA expansion card and it sucked. There is a big difference between a proper SAS expander like the RES2SV240 and cheap SATA expanders. I have never plugged and expander into an expander though :) This should be possible but I have never had the need to do so. Cheers, > On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Andrew Gabriel > wrote: > > cjt wrote: >> On 01/31/2015 06:45 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote: >>> I thought that SATA expansion cards were always bad news when used with >>> Solaris, and Solaris based distro's. >>> >>> There are tons of horror stories out there, primarily thru the ZFS >>> mailing list. >>> >>> Has this changed? >>> >>> Are there end users out there using SATA expansion cards with >>> OpenIndiana, Solaris, etc. with positive and reliable results? >>> >>> Jerry >> >> FWIW, I have a server doing video streaming that has a multitude of Intel >> RES2SV240 expanders hanging off of LSI controllers, and have not experienced >> problems except when I first configured it and tried to have multiple layers >> of expander. I don't recall what exactly the problem was (it was quite a >> while ago), but I no longer try to hang expanders off of other expanders. > > SAS or SATA drives? > The problems are with the poor implementations of SATA Tunneling Protocol in > the SAS expanders, so it only impacts SATA drives, not SAS drives. > > Having said that, I haven't heard of anyone using RES2SV240 before - do you > know if it uses standard LSI SAS expander chips, or something else? > > -- > Andrew Gabriel > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
I have a blade 1000 with 2x1.2ghz ultrasparc iv+ or something like that and 8 gbs of ram with the top of the line video card. It still suffers under openscxe or whatever that is called. Definitely usable but not if there are any other options. If anyone is in upstate ny and you would like to adopt that old monster just let me know, you will have to pick it up though... -Original Message- From: Alan Coopersmith [mailto:alan.coopersm...@oracle.com] Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2015 2:58 PM To: Discussion list for OpenIndiana Subject: Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5? On 02/ 1/15 11:19 AM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: > Another option would be to use Solaris 11 Express if it still exists > anywhere - it's old, but not as old as snv_65. I think it still had > sun4u support, but I could be mistaken. I don't think it's still available, but yes, Solaris 11 Express 2010.11 (aka snv_151, a build 3.5 years newer that snv_65 from May 2007) did have sun4u support still. They didn't stop booting until snv_163, which only went to customers in the private beta, not a public release. -alan- ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] SATA Expansion cards
On 02/01/2015 01:49 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: cjt wrote: On 01/31/2015 06:45 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote: I thought that SATA expansion cards were always bad news when used with Solaris, and Solaris based distro's. There are tons of horror stories out there, primarily thru the ZFS mailing list. Has this changed? Are there end users out there using SATA expansion cards with OpenIndiana, Solaris, etc. with positive and reliable results? Jerry FWIW, I have a server doing video streaming that has a multitude of Intel RES2SV240 expanders hanging off of LSI controllers, and have not experienced problems except when I first configured it and tried to have multiple layers of expander. I don't recall what exactly the problem was (it was quite a while ago), but I no longer try to hang expanders off of other expanders. SAS or SATA drives? The problems are with the poor implementations of SATA Tunneling Protocol in the SAS expanders, so it only impacts SATA drives, not SAS drives. Having said that, I haven't heard of anyone using RES2SV240 before - do you know if it uses standard LSI SAS expander chips, or something else? SATA drives, specifically a bunch of Seagate ST3000DM001's. Here's the info on the expander: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816117207 which links to the "horse's mouth:" http://ark.intel.com/products/49596/Intel-RAID-Expander-RES2SV240 which says it's an LSI SAS2x24 expander at heart. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: > Do you have to stick with SPARC? Your Ultra 5 is going to be way slower > than any current (and many old) x86 systems, which are supported by all the > Illumos distributions. > I don't have to; it's just that I have a number of these good old machines around and they're quite adequate for what I'm working on. OpenBSD seems to still support them, so maybe I'll give that a go. thanks jake ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
Hmm, yeah, Tribblix sounds like a great option for my purposes. Is there X support? That'd be nice so I can free up the other serial port. (Trying to simultaneously run a serial console to the pdp11 as well as an emulated tu58 drive via the other serial port.) I think I'll give it a whirl. OpenBSD can boot from floppy and install via Internet, so that's great, but I can't seem to find any floppies that'll still format. This is heck-of retro :) thx jake On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Peter Tribble wrote: > > Is it feasible to install Hipster or OI on such a meagerly appointed > > machine? I don't even have a dvd player; just cd. > > > > SunOS beep 5.11 snv_65 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 > > Memory size: 256 Megabytes > > > > That's a sparc box. You aren't going to be able to run OI > (any version, including hipster) or most of the illumos distros. > > You've really got 2 options. OpenSXCE or Tribblix. > > http://www.opensxce.org/ > http://www.tribblix.org/download.html > > Now, the Tribblix iso should fit on a CD. (Although to be > honest that's largely accidental as I haven't built most > of the packages for sparc yet.) As should the OpenSXCE > text iso. > > The really hard part is going to be booting the CD in that > small amount of memory. The root archive on the Tribblix > iso is currently 200M, and that gets loaded into memory - > you really don't have any space left to breathe. (I don't > know offhand how big the OpenSXCE boot archive is, > but it's likely to be pretty similar.) > > This isn't a truly fundamental problem - the root archive > ends up being pretty large because it has support for > everything in it by default, and it should be possible to > produce a custom iso with a much smaller root archive. > One of the things I'm interested in is minimal-footprint > configurations, so doing that (and any other work to > improve efficiency and reduce the footprint) is on my > agenda, but it's going to take time. (And it's difficult > for me to test, as I don't personally have any sparc > hardware left that's that old or small. On x86 I think > I managed to boot a custom iso in 400M and run in 256M, > but there I can fiddle the settings in a VirtualBox VM.) > > Another way would be to use the existing OS to install > a newer distro in an alternate boot environment. > > In any event, you're likely to be in for a modest amount > of work and you're off into the weeds; the population of > illumos users working on sparc is pretty small. > > -- > -Peter Tribble > http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
Jacob Ritorto wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Do you have to stick with SPARC? Your Ultra 5 is going to be way slower than any current (and many old) x86 systems, which are supported by all the Illumos distributions. I don't have to; it's just that I have a number of these good old machines around and they're quite adequate for what I'm working on. OpenBSD seems to still support them, so maybe I'll give that a go. Sure, but before spending much time on them, do bare in mind they are about same performance as a 15-20 year old Pentium II system. You could probably move all their workloads to a single current x86 system, and have loads of CPU capacity left over, and consume less power than a single Ultra 5. ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
Well, true, but while I'm pretty pleased with and interested in helping with Illumos et al, I'm just not that interested in owning a pc. I have quite a number of SPARC machines and I'm fine with the performance of the thing - this isn't a processor-intensive load, as you might imagine. On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: > Jacob Ritorto wrote: > >> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Andrew Gabriel < >> illu...@cucumber.demon.co.uk >> >> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> Do you have to stick with SPARC? Your Ultra 5 is going to be way slower >>> than any current (and many old) x86 systems, which are supported by all >>> the >>> Illumos distributions. >>> >>> >>> >> >> I don't have to; it's just that I have a number of these good old machines >> around and they're quite adequate for what I'm working on. OpenBSD seems >> to still support them, so maybe I'll give that a go. >> > > Sure, but before spending much time on them, do bare in mind they are > about same performance as a 15-20 year old Pentium II system. > > You could probably move all their workloads to a single current x86 > system, and have loads of CPU capacity left over, and consume less power > than a single Ultra 5. > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
tribblix dies a few seconds after starting to boot with Loading: /platform/SUNW,Ultra-5_10/boot_archive Loading: /platform/sun4u/boot_archive Can't open boot_archive Fast Data Access MMU Miss Bummer. Thanks very much, nonetheless, for keeping SPARC in mind, Peter! On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > Hmm, yeah, Tribblix sounds like a great option for my purposes. Is there > X support? That'd be nice so I can free up the other serial port. (Trying > to simultaneously run a serial console to the pdp11 as well as an emulated > tu58 drive via the other serial port.) I think I'll give it a whirl. > OpenBSD can boot from floppy and install via Internet, so that's great, but > I can't seem to find any floppies that'll still format. This is heck-of > retro :) > > thx > jake > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Peter Tribble > wrote: > >> > Is it feasible to install Hipster or OI on such a meagerly appointed >> > machine? I don't even have a dvd player; just cd. >> > >> > SunOS beep 5.11 snv_65 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 >> > Memory size: 256 Megabytes >> > >> >> That's a sparc box. You aren't going to be able to run OI >> (any version, including hipster) or most of the illumos distros. >> >> You've really got 2 options. OpenSXCE or Tribblix. >> >> http://www.opensxce.org/ >> http://www.tribblix.org/download.html >> >> Now, the Tribblix iso should fit on a CD. (Although to be >> honest that's largely accidental as I haven't built most >> of the packages for sparc yet.) As should the OpenSXCE >> text iso. >> >> The really hard part is going to be booting the CD in that >> small amount of memory. The root archive on the Tribblix >> iso is currently 200M, and that gets loaded into memory - >> you really don't have any space left to breathe. (I don't >> know offhand how big the OpenSXCE boot archive is, >> but it's likely to be pretty similar.) >> >> This isn't a truly fundamental problem - the root archive >> ends up being pretty large because it has support for >> everything in it by default, and it should be possible to >> produce a custom iso with a much smaller root archive. >> One of the things I'm interested in is minimal-footprint >> configurations, so doing that (and any other work to >> improve efficiency and reduce the footprint) is on my >> agenda, but it's going to take time. (And it's difficult >> for me to test, as I don't personally have any sparc >> hardware left that's that old or small. On x86 I think >> I managed to boot a custom iso in 400M and run in 256M, >> but there I can fiddle the settings in a VirtualBox VM.) >> >> Another way would be to use the existing OS to install >> a newer distro in an alternate boot environment. >> >> In any event, you're likely to be in for a modest amount >> of work and you're off into the weeds; the population of >> illumos users working on sparc is pretty small. >> >> -- >> -Peter Tribble >> http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ >> ___ >> openindiana-discuss mailing list >> openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org >> http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss >> > > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
On 02/ 1/15 01:50 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Jerry Kemp wrote: You have taken it a lot further than I would have. For an Ultra 5 or 10, I probably would not have gone past Solaris 10, and due to your ram being well under 4 Gb, I would stay on UFS vs ZFS. When you say "Solaris 11 install" in reference to this box, do you mean an install of Sun OpenSolaris? snv_65 is an early development build of Solaris 11 - actually more like Solaris 10 than even the earliest Solaris 11 releases. yep. Missed that part, and saw it less than 10 minutes after hitting the send button. Sun OpenSolaris Nevada build 65. But I still stick by my comments concerning the system RAM. If the OP is committed to this box, now is probably a great time to max out the memory. Especially if he wants to move forward beyond OpenSolaris Nevada build 65. Jerry ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
On 02/ 1/15 03:12 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Sure, but before spending much time on them, do bare in mind they are about same performance as a 15-20 year old Pentium II system. You could probably move all their workloads to a single current x86 system, and have loads of CPU capacity left over, and consume less power than a single Ultra 5. How would the OP be able to use his RISC binaries? Or utilize his Sun Type 4 keyboard? It seems like a move to x86 might introduce more problems than it would solve. Jerry ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
Wow. I just put OpenBSD on this thing and it runs like a pup. I'm really impressed. Is anyone besides Peter working on cruft-cutting and minimal system distribution of Illumos? If things can be this awesome on 1998 hardware, we really should aspire to this level of KISS, tidiness and performance in Illumos. On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote: > > > On 02/ 1/15 01:50 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: > >> Jerry Kemp wrote: >> >>> You have taken it a lot further than I would have. >>> >>> For an Ultra 5 or 10, I probably would not have gone past Solaris 10, >>> and due >>> to your ram being well under 4 Gb, I would stay on UFS vs ZFS. >>> >>> When you say "Solaris 11 install" in reference to this box, do you mean >>> an >>> install of Sun OpenSolaris? >>> >> >> snv_65 is an early development build of Solaris 11 - actually more like >> Solaris >> 10 than even the earliest Solaris 11 releases. >> >> > yep. Missed that part, and saw it less than 10 minutes after hitting the > send button. Sun OpenSolaris Nevada build 65. > > But I still stick by my comments concerning the system RAM. If the OP is > committed to this box, now is probably a great time to max out the memory. > Especially if he wants to move forward beyond OpenSolaris Nevada build 65. > > Jerry > > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] oi or hipster for ultra5?
Going to recompile the bins on bsd. Absolutely LOVING the keyboard. Gosh, I missed that thing. Otherwise, yeah, don't need a pc here. I admit that I'm a little nervy about the bsd learning curve, but, hey - it's a nice thing to pick up along the way. On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Jerry Kemp wrote: > > > On 02/ 1/15 03:12 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: > > Sure, but before spending much time on them, do bare in mind they are >> about same >> performance as a 15-20 year old Pentium II system. >> >> You could probably move all their workloads to a single current x86 >> system, and >> have loads of CPU capacity left over, and consume less power than a >> single Ultra 5. >> >> >> > How would the OP be able to use his RISC binaries? Or utilize his Sun > Type 4 keyboard? > > It seems like a move to x86 might introduce more problems than it would > solve. > > Jerry > > > > ___ > openindiana-discuss mailing list > openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org > http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss > ___ openindiana-discuss mailing list openindiana-discuss@openindiana.org http://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo/openindiana-discuss
