Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[dalibor topic]

On 14.06.2016 12:25, Robert Krüger wrote:

Only regarding the net loss for the community: There are not many places
where people trying to defend (and make a living off) Java as a viable
desktop technology can try to get information from Oracle


This particular mailing list is not one of those places.

If you're looking for commercial support from Oracle, you can find 
information about it here: 
http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/java/standard-edition/support/overview/index.html 
.


If you are looking for a community forum for Oracle products, you can 
find it here: https://community.oracle.com/welcome .


If you are interested in contributing to ongoing development of OpenJFX, 
then this mailing list is the right place to be.


Contributing to ongoing development means contributing actual code[0]. 
It doesn't mean "trying to get information from Oracle", "advocacy", 
"trying to defend Java", etc.


cheers,
dalibor topic

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Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

Mario, I would really love to agree with you but then sadly we'd both be wrong.

But thanks for not sending this email just to me "offline" for a change (and 
for being far more polite)...

> On 14 Jun 2016, at 21:05, Mario Torre  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Robert Krüger
>  wrote:
>> Only regarding the net loss for the community: There are not many places
>> where people trying to defend (and make a living off) Java as a viable
>> desktop technology can try to get information from Oracle and the questions
>> he asks are also the ones we (as an ISV with a Java-based product) would
>> ask, so I do regard them as valuable.
>> 
>> Having said that, I understand, however that those things will never get an
>> answer here (never have in the past, having asked such questions myself).
>> 
>> Just writing that so Felix does not feel that he's alone with his concerns
>> and to add another data point on the Oracle radar that Houston, we do have
>> a real problem here and quite a few frustrated Java advocates.
> 
> Eh, I thought this thread was finally over...
> 
> This mailing list is definitely not the place to discuss such things.
> 
> Discussing Oracle plans is something only Oracle can do, so asking
> about those on a development mailing lists doesn't work out.
> 
> As for more general things, even including adoption of the technology,
> that may be more or less related to actual development, there are
> other, better, places, for example FOSDEM and JavaOne are just two of
> the various conferences that generated great and very useful deal of
> discussions over the years.
> 
> If you care about participating in a constructive manner, you should
> check those out, really. There are other channels, too. For instance,
> the Adoption Group is a great place to start asking questions. No, not
> questions like what Oracle is planning to do with XXX, you won't find
> answer for those there, but you'll be directed in how to contribute,
> and contribution means also discussing in a constructive manner (this
> can also have the form harsh criticism at times, btw, as long as is
> not gratuitous).
> 
> That said, it has happened in the past, and will certainly happen in
> the future, that some questions that touch areas perhaps less round
> regarding the actual development like interest is specific means of
> integrations or specific issues about adoption, etc... find a place of
> discussion here. This is not how generally works, because this is
> about development, but it's understandable in a living Community to
> also take *some* discussion at that level.
> 
> The problem here is another one. First, insisting when somebody have
> been asked, politely, to stop, and the second and most important is
> the manner of presenting ones idea, by hijacking a purely development
> oriented thread with random and totally unclear questions, attempted
> sarcasm and just lots of negativity. A thread, btw, that asked the
> Community suggestions how to proceed regarding the removal of rather
> unused code, so instead of having a constructive participation in a
> technically oriented thread, the thread was hijacked with harsh
> resentment both on and especially off-list resulting in just a missed
> opportunity if you ask me.
> 
> Just to conclude, there are just too many layers before our voices can
> be heard by who makes decision, if we start off by screaming chances
> are that our messages will never go through, instead ranting and
> offending only has the effect of lowering ones credibility, so if you
> fall on this side, even with the best intentions, your "contributions"
> will likely end up nowhere.
> 
> Please, let's try to be constructive, there is a place and a time for
> everything.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mario
> 
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Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Mario Torre]

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Robert Krüger
 wrote:
> Only regarding the net loss for the community: There are not many places
> where people trying to defend (and make a living off) Java as a viable
> desktop technology can try to get information from Oracle and the questions
> he asks are also the ones we (as an ISV with a Java-based product) would
> ask, so I do regard them as valuable.
>
> Having said that, I understand, however that those things will never get an
> answer here (never have in the past, having asked such questions myself).
>
> Just writing that so Felix does not feel that he's alone with his concerns
> and to add another data point on the Oracle radar that Houston, we do have
> a real problem here and quite a few frustrated Java advocates.

Eh, I thought this thread was finally over...

This mailing list is definitely not the place to discuss such things.

Discussing Oracle plans is something only Oracle can do, so asking
about those on a development mailing lists doesn't work out.

As for more general things, even including adoption of the technology,
that may be more or less related to actual development, there are
other, better, places, for example FOSDEM and JavaOne are just two of
the various conferences that generated great and very useful deal of
discussions over the years.

If you care about participating in a constructive manner, you should
check those out, really. There are other channels, too. For instance,
the Adoption Group is a great place to start asking questions. No, not
questions like what Oracle is planning to do with XXX, you won't find
answer for those there, but you'll be directed in how to contribute,
and contribution means also discussing in a constructive manner (this
can also have the form harsh criticism at times, btw, as long as is
not gratuitous).

That said, it has happened in the past, and will certainly happen in
the future, that some questions that touch areas perhaps less round
regarding the actual development like interest is specific means of
integrations or specific issues about adoption, etc... find a place of
discussion here. This is not how generally works, because this is
about development, but it's understandable in a living Community to
also take *some* discussion at that level.

The problem here is another one. First, insisting when somebody have
been asked, politely, to stop, and the second and most important is
the manner of presenting ones idea, by hijacking a purely development
oriented thread with random and totally unclear questions, attempted
sarcasm and just lots of negativity. A thread, btw, that asked the
Community suggestions how to proceed regarding the removal of rather
unused code, so instead of having a constructive participation in a
technically oriented thread, the thread was hijacked with harsh
resentment both on and especially off-list resulting in just a missed
opportunity if you ask me.

Just to conclude, there are just too many layers before our voices can
be heard by who makes decision, if we start off by screaming chances
are that our messages will never go through, instead ranting and
offending only has the effect of lowering ones credibility, so if you
fall on this side, even with the best intentions, your "contributions"
will likely end up nowhere.

Please, let's try to be constructive, there is a place and a time for
everything.

Cheers,
Mario

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Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

Thanks Robert - much appreciated.

Just be careful, you may soon be labelled a spammer, get threatened with being 
banned from this list and also expect random creeps to send you private 
(cowardly) "offline" insults.

But, don't worry, I am well aware of the *massive* number of poor believers in 
JavaFX out there who can get nothing but intimidation out of Oracle.

I am just the one who put my hand up to say what everyone else is thinking 
simply because their lame efforts to "dispose" of me just make me chuckle...

P.S. I am willing to bet this post will "magically" not make it into the list 
somehow...

But you will at least get it.

So much for "open" JFX!

Blessings,

Felix

> On 14 Jun 2016, at 20:25, Robert Krüger  wrote:
> 
> Only regarding the net loss for the community: There are not many places 
> where people trying to defend (and make a living off) Java as a viable 
> desktop technology can try to get information from Oracle and the questions 
> he asks are also the ones we (as an ISV with a Java-based product) would ask, 
> so I do regard them as valuable.
> 
> Having said that, I understand, however that those things will never get an 
> answer here (never have in the past, having asked such questions myself).
> 
> Just writing that so Felix does not feel that he's alone with his concerns 
> and to add another data point on the Oracle radar that Houston, we do have a 
> real problem here and quite a few frustrated Java advocates.
> 
> Over and out.
> 
> Robert
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, dalibor topic  
>> wrote:
>>> On 13.06.2016 15:02, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>>> I am one of the most vocal, passionate and positive advocates for OpenJFX 
>>> and JavaFX.
>> 
>> Felix,
>> 
>> That may very well be the case, in your opinion, but this mailing list is 
>> not a forum for advocacy. It is for technical discussions.
>> 
>> Whether you are or you are not an advocate for something or other is not 
>> relevant on this mailing list. Maybe there is some other forum where people 
>> who are advocates for things meet and have vocal and passionate discussions 
>> with each other. In any case, this mailing list is not it, because what you 
>> are or what you aren't is not a technical subject to begin with.
>> 
>> Unless you are a robot, of course. But in that case, this mailing list would 
>> still be the wrong forum ...
>> 
>> Please, hold off on posting off-topic posts to this list for a week or two.
>> 
>> If for some reason you feel the need to continue to spam this mailing list 
>> with off-topic posts, as you have done so far, despite being asked to stop 
>> both on and off-list, then I trust that the mailing list administrator could 
>> take care of this problem for all of us.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> dalibor topic
>> 
>> 
 On 13 Jun 2016, at 22:45, dalibor topic  wrote:
 
 Felix,
 
 This is an open source Project's mailing list, specifically for technical 
 discussions of that Project's development. It's not an 'open' forum 
 suitable for discussion of other issues.
 
 Removing participants that continue to abuse the privilege of being on an 
 open source project's mailing list is a useful tool to deal with 
 individuals which contribute negatively to a project, if they don't seem 
 to be able to change their act.
 
 cheers,
 dalibor topic
 
> On 13.06.2016 14:11, Felix Bembrick wrote:
> Dear Dalibor,
> 
> "This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
> Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
> specifically."
> 
> Read that again. Thank you for giving me the clear answer you promised!
> 
> And thanks for the warning in case I accidentally start "spamming". But
> surely you wouldn't remove anyone from an "open" forum would you?
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Felix
> 
> On 13 Jun 2016, at 21:17, dalibor topic  > wrote:
> 
>> Felix,
>> 
>> if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so
>> at https://community.oracle.com/welcome .
>> 
>> This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
>> Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
>> specifically.
>> 
>> On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result
>> in removal from it without further warning.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> dalibor topic
>> 
>>> On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>>> Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.
>>> 
>>> Only... it wasn't really, was it?
>>> 
>>> You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".
>>> 
>>> Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*
>>> 
>>> Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any
>>> further confusion (hopefully)/*.
>>> 
>>> */COULD YOU PLEASE 

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Robert Krüger]

Only regarding the net loss for the community: There are not many places
where people trying to defend (and make a living off) Java as a viable
desktop technology can try to get information from Oracle and the questions
he asks are also the ones we (as an ISV with a Java-based product) would
ask, so I do regard them as valuable.

Having said that, I understand, however that those things will never get an
answer here (never have in the past, having asked such questions myself).

Just writing that so Felix does not feel that he's alone with his concerns
and to add another data point on the Oracle radar that Houston, we do have
a real problem here and quite a few frustrated Java advocates.

Over and out.

Robert

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM, dalibor topic 
wrote:

> On 13.06.2016 15:02, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>
>> I am one of the most vocal, passionate and positive advocates for OpenJFX
>> and JavaFX.
>>
>
> Felix,
>
> That may very well be the case, in your opinion, but this mailing list is
> not a forum for advocacy. It is for technical discussions.
>
> Whether you are or you are not an advocate for something or other is not
> relevant on this mailing list. Maybe there is some other forum where people
> who are advocates for things meet and have vocal and passionate discussions
> with each other. In any case, this mailing list is not it, because what you
> are or what you aren't is not a technical subject to begin with.
>
> Unless you are a robot, of course. But in that case, this mailing list
> would still be the wrong forum ...
>
> Please, hold off on posting off-topic posts to this list for a week or two.
>
> If for some reason you feel the need to continue to spam this mailing list
> with off-topic posts, as you have done so far, despite being asked to stop
> both on and off-list, then I trust that the mailing list administrator
> could take care of this problem for all of us.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
>
>
> On 13 Jun 2016, at 22:45, dalibor topic  wrote:
>>>
>>> Felix,
>>>
>>> This is an open source Project's mailing list, specifically for
>>> technical discussions of that Project's development. It's not an 'open'
>>> forum suitable for discussion of other issues.
>>>
>>> Removing participants that continue to abuse the privilege of being on
>>> an open source project's mailing list is a useful tool to deal with
>>> individuals which contribute negatively to a project, if they don't seem to
>>> be able to change their act.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> dalibor topic
>>>
>>> On 13.06.2016 14:11, Felix Bembrick wrote:
 Dear Dalibor,

 "This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
 Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
 specifically."

 Read that again. Thank you for giving me the clear answer you promised!

 And thanks for the warning in case I accidentally start "spamming". But
 surely you wouldn't remove anyone from an "open" forum would you?

 Blessings,

 Felix

 On 13 Jun 2016, at 21:17, dalibor topic >>> > wrote:

 Felix,
>
> if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so
> at https://community.oracle.com/welcome .
>
> This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
> Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
> specifically.
>
> On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result
> in removal from it without further warning.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
>
> On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>> Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.
>>
>> Only... it wasn't really, was it?
>>
>> You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".
>>
>> Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*
>>
>> Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for
>> any
>> further confusion (hopefully)/*.
>>
>> */COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER
>> PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH
>> ORACLE MARKETS?/*
>>
>> Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your
>> words, not mine).
>>
>> (Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
>> abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still
>> gasping
>> for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly
>> enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be
>> hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about
>> them).  That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure
>> you
>> want that don't you?
>>
>> See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
>> plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!
>>
>> Am I *still* in

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Kevin Rushforth]

Thank you for the replies. It helps confirm what I suspected, that this 
feature isn't really used. If anyone is using it who hasn't chimed in 
yet, please let me know what you are using it for.


Thanks.

-- Kevin


Scott Palmer wrote:

I never heard of this until this thread. And after googling I still have no 
clue what it is. I think that explains some of why it is rarely used.

Scott

  

On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:01 AM, dalibor topic  wrote:

I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
 showing 0 results.

cheers,
dalibor topic



On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.

Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
determine how best to address this in JDK 9.

Our options are:

1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support

2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
internal packages

3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.

Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.

Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
it with the intention to remove it in a future release.

-- Kevin
  

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Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[dalibor topic]

On 13.06.2016 15:02, Felix Bembrick wrote:

I am one of the most vocal, passionate and positive advocates for OpenJFX and 
JavaFX.


Felix,

That may very well be the case, in your opinion, but this mailing list 
is not a forum for advocacy. It is for technical discussions.


Whether you are or you are not an advocate for something or other is not 
relevant on this mailing list. Maybe there is some other forum where 
people who are advocates for things meet and have vocal and passionate 
discussions with each other. In any case, this mailing list is not it, 
because what you are or what you aren't is not a technical subject to 
begin with.


Unless you are a robot, of course. But in that case, this mailing list 
would still be the wrong forum ...


Please, hold off on posting off-topic posts to this list for a week or two.

If for some reason you feel the need to continue to spam this mailing 
list with off-topic posts, as you have done so far, despite being asked 
to stop both on and off-list, then I trust that the mailing list 
administrator could take care of this problem for all of us.


cheers,
dalibor topic


On 13 Jun 2016, at 22:45, dalibor topic  wrote:

Felix,

This is an open source Project's mailing list, specifically for technical 
discussions of that Project's development. It's not an 'open' forum suitable 
for discussion of other issues.

Removing participants that continue to abuse the privilege of being on an open 
source project's mailing list is a useful tool to deal with individuals which 
contribute negatively to a project, if they don't seem to be able to change 
their act.

cheers,
dalibor topic


On 13.06.2016 14:11, Felix Bembrick wrote:
Dear Dalibor,

"This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
specifically."

Read that again. Thank you for giving me the clear answer you promised!

And thanks for the warning in case I accidentally start "spamming". But
surely you wouldn't remove anyone from an "open" forum would you?

Blessings,

Felix

On 13 Jun 2016, at 21:17, dalibor topic mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> wrote:


Felix,

if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so
at https://community.oracle.com/welcome .

This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
specifically.

On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result
in removal from it without further warning.

cheers,
dalibor topic


On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:
Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.

Only... it wasn't really, was it?

You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".

Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*

Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any
further confusion (hopefully)/*.

*/COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER
PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH
ORACLE MARKETS?/*

Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your
words, not mine).

(Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly
enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be
hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about
them).  That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you
want that don't you?

See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!

Am I *still* in the wrong forum?

All my blessings,

Felix

P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?



On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>
> wrote:

  Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your
  question:

  Yes, I have considered a career in politics.

  That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to
  divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic
  posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you
  attempted to discuss :

   * the age of discussion participants,
   * their telephony equipment and
   * career plans,

  none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.

  Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list
  for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any,
  you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.

  As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing
  list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself
  as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of
  bitterness in your posts.

  You can change that.

  All the best,
  Dalibor Topic

  [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

Are you saying that I have negatively contributed to OpenJFX or JavaFX in 
general?

I am one of the most vocal, passionate and positive advocates for OpenJFX and 
JavaFX.

> On 13 Jun 2016, at 22:45, dalibor topic  wrote:
> 
> Felix,
> 
> This is an open source Project's mailing list, specifically for technical 
> discussions of that Project's development. It's not an 'open' forum suitable 
> for discussion of other issues.
> 
> Removing participants that continue to abuse the privilege of being on an 
> open source project's mailing list is a useful tool to deal with individuals 
> which contribute negatively to a project, if they don't seem to be able to 
> change their act.
> 
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
> 
>> On 13.06.2016 14:11, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>> Dear Dalibor,
>> 
>> "This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
>> Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
>> specifically."
>> 
>> Read that again. Thank you for giving me the clear answer you promised!
>> 
>> And thanks for the warning in case I accidentally start "spamming". But
>> surely you wouldn't remove anyone from an "open" forum would you?
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Felix
>> 
>> On 13 Jun 2016, at 21:17, dalibor topic > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Felix,
>>> 
>>> if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so
>>> at https://community.oracle.com/welcome .
>>> 
>>> This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
>>> Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
>>> specifically.
>>> 
>>> On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result
>>> in removal from it without further warning.
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> dalibor topic
>>> 
 On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:
 Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.
 
 Only... it wasn't really, was it?
 
 You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".
 
 Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*
 
 Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any
 further confusion (hopefully)/*.
 
 */COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER
 PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH
 ORACLE MARKETS?/*
 
 Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your
 words, not mine).
 
 (Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
 abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
 for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly
 enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be
 hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about
 them).  That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you
 want that don't you?
 
 See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
 plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!
 
 Am I *still* in the wrong forum?
 
 All my blessings,
 
 Felix
 
 P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?
 
 
 
 On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic >>> 
 > wrote:
 
   Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your
   question:
 
   Yes, I have considered a career in politics.
 
   That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to
   divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic
   posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you
   attempted to discuss :
 
* the age of discussion participants,
* their telephony equipment and
* career plans,
 
   none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.
 
   Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list
   for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any,
   you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.
 
   As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing
   list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself
   as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of
   bitterness in your posts.
 
   You can change that.
 
   All the best,
   Dalibor Topic
 
   [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
 
 
   On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:
 
   Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access
   to an English language parser. I could translate my original
   question into Klingon and resubmit if that would help.
 
   And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is
   devoted to "ongoing OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was und

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[dalibor topic]

Felix,

This is an open source Project's mailing list, specifically for 
technical discussions of that Project's development. It's not an 'open' 
forum suitable for discussion of other issues.


Removing participants that continue to abuse the privilege of being on 
an open source project's mailing list is a useful tool to deal with 
individuals which contribute negatively to a project, if they don't seem 
to be able to change their act.


cheers,
dalibor topic

On 13.06.2016 14:11, Felix Bembrick wrote:

Dear Dalibor,

"This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
specifically."

Read that again. Thank you for giving me the clear answer you promised!

And thanks for the warning in case I accidentally start "spamming". But
surely you wouldn't remove anyone from an "open" forum would you?

Blessings,

Felix

On 13 Jun 2016, at 21:17, dalibor topic mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> wrote:


Felix,

if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so
at https://community.oracle.com/welcome .

This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of
Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development,
specifically.

On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result
in removal from it without further warning.

cheers,
dalibor topic

On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:

Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.

Only... it wasn't really, was it?

You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".

Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*

Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any
further confusion (hopefully)/*.

*/COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER
PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH
ORACLE MARKETS?/*

Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your
words, not mine).

(Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly
enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be
hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about
them).  That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you
want that don't you?

See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!

Am I *still* in the wrong forum?

All my blessings,

Felix

P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?



On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>
> wrote:

   Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your
   question:

   Yes, I have considered a career in politics.

   That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to
   divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic
   posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you
   attempted to discuss :

* the age of discussion participants,
* their telephony equipment and
* career plans,

   none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.

   Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list
   for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any,
   you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.

   As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing
   list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself
   as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of
   bitterness in your posts.

   You can change that.

   All the best,
   Dalibor Topic

   [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/


   On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:

   Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access
   to an English language parser. I could translate my original
   question into Klingon and resubmit if that would help.

   And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is
   devoted to "ongoing OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under
   the misapprehension that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.

   However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some
   clarification.

   Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss
   telephony equipment used by other organisations because such
   information is transparent and clearly indicates belief and
   commitment to their own technologies.

   Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in
politics?

   And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was
   accidental)...

   On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic
   mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com> >
   wrote:

   Felix, unfortunately yo

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

Dear Dalibor,

"This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of Oracle's 
products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development, specifically."

Read that again. Thank you for giving me the clear answer you promised!

And thanks for the warning in case I accidentally start "spamming". But surely 
you wouldn't remove anyone from an "open" forum would you?

Blessings,

Felix

> On 13 Jun 2016, at 21:17, dalibor topic  wrote:
> 
> Felix,
> 
> if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so at 
> https://community.oracle.com/welcome .
> 
> This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of Oracle's 
> products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development, specifically.
> 
> On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result in 
> removal from it without further warning.
> 
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
> 
>> On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>> Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.
>> 
>> Only... it wasn't really, was it?
>> 
>> You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".
>> 
>> Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*
>> 
>> Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any
>> further confusion (hopefully)/*.
>> 
>> */COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER
>> PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH
>> ORACLE MARKETS?/*
>> 
>> Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your
>> words, not mine).
>> 
>> (Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
>> abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
>> for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly
>> enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be
>> hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about
>> them).  That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you
>> want that don't you?
>> 
>> See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
>> plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!
>> 
>> Am I *still* in the wrong forum?
>> 
>> All my blessings,
>> 
>> Felix
>> 
>> P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic > > wrote:
>> 
>>Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your
>>question:
>> 
>>Yes, I have considered a career in politics.
>> 
>>That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to
>>divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic
>>posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you
>>attempted to discuss :
>> 
>> * the age of discussion participants,
>> * their telephony equipment and
>> * career plans,
>> 
>>none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.
>> 
>>Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list
>>for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any,
>>you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.
>> 
>>As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing
>>list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself
>>as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of
>>bitterness in your posts.
>> 
>>You can change that.
>> 
>>All the best,
>>Dalibor Topic
>> 
>>[0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
>> 
>> 
>>On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>> 
>>Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access
>>to an English language parser. I could translate my original
>>question into Klingon and resubmit if that would help.
>> 
>>And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is
>>devoted to "ongoing OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under
>>the misapprehension that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.
>> 
>>However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some
>>clarification.
>> 
>>Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss
>>telephony equipment used by other organisations because such
>>information is transparent and clearly indicates belief and
>>commitment to their own technologies.
>> 
>>Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?
>> 
>>And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was
>>accidental)...
>> 
>>On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic
>>mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>>
>>wrote:
>> 
>>Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.
>> 
>>Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that,
>>please consider that this mailing list is for discussion of
>>ongoing OpenJFX development.
>> 
>>If instead yo

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[dalibor topic]

Felix,

if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so at 
https://community.oracle.com/welcome .


This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of Oracle's 
products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development, specifically.


On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result in 
removal from it without further warning.


cheers,
dalibor topic

On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:

Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.

Only... it wasn't really, was it?

You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".

Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*

Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any
further confusion (hopefully)/*.

*/COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER
PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH
ORACLE MARKETS?/*

Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your
words, not mine).

(Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly
enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be
hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about
them).  That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you
want that don't you?

See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!

Am I *still* in the wrong forum?

All my blessings,

Felix

P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?



On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> wrote:

Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your
question:

Yes, I have considered a career in politics.

That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to
divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic
posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you
attempted to discuss :

 * the age of discussion participants,
 * their telephony equipment and
 * career plans,

none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.

Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list
for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any,
you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.

As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing
list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself
as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of
bitterness in your posts.

You can change that.

All the best,
Dalibor Topic

[0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/


On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:

Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access
to an English language parser. I could translate my original
question into Klingon and resubmit if that would help.

And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is
devoted to "ongoing OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under
the misapprehension that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.

However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some
clarification.

Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss
telephony equipment used by other organisations because such
information is transparent and clearly indicates belief and
commitment to their own technologies.

Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?

And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was
accidental)...

On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic
mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>>
wrote:

Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.

Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that,
please consider that this mailing list is for discussion of
ongoing OpenJFX development.

If instead you would prefer to discuss something else,
please do try to find a more suitable venue for discussion
of such interests. While I can't help you find an adequate
forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees of
other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a
better place to do so in the future.

Cheers,
Dalibor Topic
--
 Dalibor Topic | Principal Product
Manager
Phone: +494089091214 > | Mobile: +491737185961

>

ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg

ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
Hauptve

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.

Only... it wasn't really, was it?

You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".

Great! *So why have you still not answered it?*

Let me put it another way *so as there can be no possible room for any
further confusion (hopefully)*.

*COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER PRODUCTS
USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH ORACLE MARKETS?*

Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your words,
not mine).

(Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how *incredibly enthusiastically
Oracle is advancing JavaFX*, I *know* there must be hundreds more examples
and I am sure we would all love to hear about them).  That would give us
all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you want that don't you?

See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!

Am I *still* in the wrong forum?

All my blessings,

Felix

P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?



On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic  wrote:

> Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your question:
>
> Yes, I have considered a career in politics.
>
> That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to divert[0]
> technical discussions in this community with off-topic posts, such as your
> contributions to this thread so far, where you attempted to discuss :
>
>  * the age of discussion participants,
>  * their telephony equipment and
>  * career plans,
>
> none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.
>
> Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list for a
> week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any, you'd like
> to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.
>
> As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing list is a
> net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself as well, judging
> by what seems to be an increasing amount of bitterness in your posts.
>
> You can change that.
>
> All the best,
> Dalibor Topic
>
> [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
>
>
> On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>
>> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access to an
>> English language parser. I could translate my original question into
>> Klingon and resubmit if that would help.
>>
>> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is devoted to
>> "ongoing OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under the misapprehension
>> that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.
>>
>> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some clarification.
>>
>> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss telephony
>> equipment used by other organisations because such information is
>> transparent and clearly indicates belief and commitment to their own
>> technologies.
>>
>> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?
>>
>> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was
>> accidental)...
>>
>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic  wrote:
>>>
>>> Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.
>>>
>>> Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please
>>> consider that this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX
>>> development.
>>>
>>> If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to
>>> find a more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't
>>> help you find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by
>>> employees of other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a
>>> better place to do so in the future.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dalibor Topic
>>> --
>>>  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
>>> Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961
>>> 
>>>
>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
>>>
>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
>>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
>>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
>>>
>>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
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>>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher
>>>
>>>  Oracle is committed to developing
>>> practices and products that help protect the environment
>>>
>>> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick 
 wrote:

 I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.

 On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs
 on their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?

 No?

 Well I bet Apple employees do!

 On 10 Ju

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[dalibor topic]

Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your question:

Yes, I have considered a career in politics.

That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to 
divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic posts, 
such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you attempted to 
discuss :


 * the age of discussion participants,
 * their telephony equipment and
 * career plans,

none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.

Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list for a 
week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any, you'd 
like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.


As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing list is 
a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself as well, 
judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of bitterness in your 
posts.


You can change that.

All the best,
Dalibor Topic

[0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/

On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:

Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access to an English 
language parser. I could translate my original question into Klingon and 
resubmit if that would help.

And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is devoted to "ongoing 
OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under the misapprehension that it was about 
unicorns, angels and aliens.

However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some clarification.

Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss telephony equipment 
used by other organisations because such information is transparent and clearly 
indicates belief and commitment to their own technologies.

Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?

And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was accidental)...


On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic  wrote:

Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.

Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please consider that 
this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX development.

If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to find a 
more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't help you 
find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees of 
other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a better place to do 
so in the future.

Cheers,
Dalibor Topic
--
 Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961


ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg

ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603

Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher

 Oracle is committed to developing
practices and products that help protect the environment


On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick  wrote:

I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.

On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on their 
desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?

No?

Well I bet Apple employees do!


On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic  wrote:

I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
 showing 0 results.

cheers,
dalibor topic


On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.

Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
determine how best to address this in JDK 9.

Our options are:

1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support

2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
internal packages

3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.

Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
Perfor

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

Kudos on the "imagination" part...

You are at least possibly right about Cisco.

And your quote "but only if they knew it wasn't going to disappear" is a nice 
summary of the intent of my reasonable question that never got "officially" 
answered.

But then again, it was somewhat rhetorical in nature and the politician-styled 
responses and misdirection that followed were both expected and provided 
clarity-by-accident (or CBA - my new TLA for the day)...

> On 11 Jun 2016, at 00:43, Mark Fortner  wrote:
> 
> Back to the original topic, since JMX is used to monitor servers and 
> applications, and since most of us don't write monitoring software, the 
> audience for it is by definition small.
> 
> I would imagine that Oracle and perhaps a Cisco (or companies involved in 
> network monitoring) would be interested, but only if they knew it wasn't 
> going to disappear.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2016 6:29 AM, "Felix Bembrick"  wrote:
>> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access to an English 
>> language parser. I could translate my original question into Klingon and 
>> resubmit if that would help.
>> 
>> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is devoted to 
>> "ongoing OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under the misapprehension that 
>> it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.
>> 
>> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some clarification.
>> 
>> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss telephony 
>> equipment used by other organisations because such information is 
>> transparent and clearly indicates belief and commitment to their own 
>> technologies.
>> 
>> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?
>> 
>> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was accidental)...
>> 
>> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic  wrote:
>> >
>> > Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.
>> >
>> > Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please consider 
>> > that this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX development.
>> >
>> > If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to 
>> > find a more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't 
>> > help you find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by 
>> > employees of other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a 
>> > better place to do so in the future.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Dalibor Topic
>> > --
>> >  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
>> > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961
>> > 
>> >
>> > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
>> >
>> > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
>> > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
>> > Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
>> >
>> > Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
>> > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
>> > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
>> > Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher
>> >
>> >  Oracle is committed to developing
>> > practices and products that help protect the environment
>> >
>> >> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
>> >>
>> >> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on 
>> >> their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?
>> >>
>> >> No?
>> >>
>> >> Well I bet Apple employees do!
>> >>
>> >>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
>> >>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>> >>>  showing 0 results.
>> >>>
>> >>> cheers,
>> >>> dalibor topic
>> >>>
>>  On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>>  As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>>  separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>>  /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
>>  8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>> 
>>  Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>>  reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
>>  file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
>>  determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
>> 
>>  Our options are:
>> 
>>  1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>> 
>>  2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
>>  require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
>>  internal packages
>> 
>>  3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
>>  one of the default modules, so it would need t

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Mark Fortner]

Back to the original topic, since JMX is used to monitor servers and
applications, and since most of us don't write monitoring software, the
audience for it is by definition small.

I would imagine that Oracle and perhaps a Cisco (or companies involved in
network monitoring) would be interested, but only if they knew it wasn't
going to disappear.

Mark
On Jun 10, 2016 6:29 AM, "Felix Bembrick"  wrote:

> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access to an
> English language parser. I could translate my original question into
> Klingon and resubmit if that would help.
>
> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is devoted to
> "ongoing OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under the misapprehension
> that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.
>
> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some clarification.
>
> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss telephony
> equipment used by other organisations because such information is
> transparent and clearly indicates belief and commitment to their own
> technologies.
>
> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?
>
> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was accidental)...
>
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic 
> wrote:
> >
> > Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.
> >
> > Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please
> consider that this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX
> development.
> >
> > If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to
> find a more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't
> help you find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by
> employees of other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a
> better place to do so in the future.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dalibor Topic
> > --
> >  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
> > Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961
> > 
> >
> > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
> >
> > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
> > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
> > Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
> >
> > Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
> > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
> > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
> > Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher
> >
> >  Oracle is committed to developing
> > practices and products that help protect the environment
> >
> >> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
> >>
> >> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs
> on their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?
> >>
> >> No?
> >>
> >> Well I bet Apple employees do!
> >>
> >>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by
> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
> showing 0 results.
> >>>
> >>> cheers,
> >>> dalibor topic
> >>>
>  On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>  As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>  separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>  /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to
> JDK
>  8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
> 
>  Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>  reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
>  file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
>  determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
> 
>  Our options are:
> 
>  1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
> 
>  2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use
> would
>  require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
>  internal packages
> 
>  3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
>  one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with
> -addmods.
> 
>  Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it
> isn't
>  being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need
> to
>  keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
>  the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling,
> so
>  requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
>  PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
> 
>  Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will
> deprecate
>  it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
> 
>  -- Kevin
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access to an English 
language parser. I could translate my original question into Klingon and 
resubmit if that would help.

And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is devoted to 
"ongoing OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under the misapprehension that it 
was about unicorns, angels and aliens.

However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some clarification.

Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss telephony equipment 
used by other organisations because such information is transparent and clearly 
indicates belief and commitment to their own technologies.

Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?

And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was accidental)...

> On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic  wrote:
> 
> Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able. 
> 
> Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please consider 
> that this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX development.
> 
> If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to find 
> a more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't help 
> you find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees 
> of other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a better place 
> to do so in the future.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dalibor Topic
> --
>  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
> Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961
> 
> 
> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
> 
> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
> 
> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher
> 
>  Oracle is committed to developing
> practices and products that help protect the environment
> 
>> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick  wrote:
>> 
>> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
>> 
>> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on 
>> their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?
>> 
>> No?
>> 
>> Well I bet Apple employees do!
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
>>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>>>  showing 0 results.
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> dalibor topic
>>> 
 On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
 As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
 separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
 /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
 
 Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
 reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
 file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
 determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
 
 Our options are:
 
 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
 
 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
 require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
 internal packages
 
 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
 one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.
 
 Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
 being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
 keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
 the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
 requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
 PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
 
 Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
 it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
 
 -- Kevin
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>>  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
>>> Phone: +494089091214  | Mobile: +491737185961
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
>>> 
>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
>>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
>>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
>>> 
>>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
>>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
>>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Dalibor Topic]

Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able. 

Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please consider that 
this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX development.

If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to find a 
more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't help you 
find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees of 
other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a better place to do 
so in the future.

Cheers,
Dalibor Topic
--
 Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
Phone: +494089091214 | Mobile: +491737185961


ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg

ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603

Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher

 Oracle is committed to developing
practices and products that help protect the environment

> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick  wrote:
> 
> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
> 
> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on 
> their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?
> 
> No?
> 
> Well I bet Apple employees do!
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic  wrote:
>> 
>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>>  showing 0 results.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> dalibor topic
>> 
>>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>>> /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
>>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>>> 
>>> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>>> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
>>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
>>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
>>> 
>>> Our options are:
>>> 
>>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>>> 
>>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
>>> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
>>> internal packages
>>> 
>>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
>>> one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.
>>> 
>>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
>>> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
>>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
>>> the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
>>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
>>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
>>> 
>>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
>>> it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
>>> 
>>> -- Kevin
>> 
>> -- 
>>  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
>> Phone: +494089091214  | Mobile: +491737185961
>> 
>> 
>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
>> 
>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
>> 
>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher
>> 
>>  Oracle is committed to developing
>> practices and products that help protect the environment

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

Did you even read the email you are replying to? Or the email I was myself 
replying to?

If I have spell it out so bluntly that everyone can understand then I will only 
get myself into further trouble with the "Big O".

I used a technique known locally as "sarcasm". It's sort of the default mode of 
communication in this country.

But I assumed most people could "join the dots" regardless of where they are 
located...

P.S. Again, on a completely unrelated note, are you planning to use Java EE 8? 
If so, how old are you?

> On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:01, Ranie Jade Ramiso  wrote:
> 
> Okay this thread is about what to do with javafx jmx plugin. How does that 
> even relate to whether oracle is using javafx internally?
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 7:52 PM Felix Bembrick  
>> wrote:
>> Unfortunately, it has a lot to do with it.
>> 
>> Do you actually realise how much of the entire JMC is written using JavaFX? 
>> (Not to mention what percentage of Java developers even know about or use 
>> JMC).
>> 
>> Please check and then feel free to respond and enlighten us all with your 
>> findings.  100%? At least 90% surely? Hmm...
>> 
>> And, if there are actually any *other* "vestiges" of JavaFX usage within 
>> Oracle, I would be delighted to hear about them!
>> 
>> In fact, I am confident the entire JavaFX community would absolutely love to 
>> hear that it's obviously being used in  hundreds of internal applications 
>> (especially with Oracle being such a huge Java-focused company).  I mean it 
>> is the "standard" way of building GUI applications with Java right? So of 
>> course they would have no reason whatsoever to not base their entire 
>> internal software product suite on this advanced and clearly well supported 
>> technology.
>> 
>> And throw in the dozens of commercial JavaFX offerings from Oracle and...
>> 
>> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 21:01, Tom Schindl  wrote:
>> >
>> > What has the removal of JMX for JavaFX todo with Oracle using JavaFX
>> > themselves?
>> >
>> > There are projects at Oracle who for sure do use JavaFX and one of them
>> > is installed in your JDK! It's Java-Mission-Control.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
>> >> On 10.06.16 12:46, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>> >> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
>> >>
>> >> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on 
>> >> their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?
>> >>
>> >> No?
>> >>
>> >> Well I bet Apple employees do!
>> >>
>> >>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
>> >>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>> >>>  showing 0 results.
>> >>>
>> >>> cheers,
>> >>> dalibor topic
>> >>>
>>  On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>>  As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>>  separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>>  /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
>>  8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>> 
>>  Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>>  reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
>>  file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
>>  determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
>> 
>>  Our options are:
>> 
>>  1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>> 
>>  2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
>>  require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
>>  internal packages
>> 
>>  3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
>>  one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.
>> 
>>  Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
>>  being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
>>  keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
>>  the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
>>  requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
>>  PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
>> 
>>  Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
>>  it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
>> 
>>  -- Kevin
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
>> >>> Phone: +494089091214  | Mobile: +491737185961
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
>> >>>
>> >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
>> >>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
>> >>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
>> >>>
>> >>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
>> >>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Nie

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Ranie Jade Ramiso]

Okay this thread is about what to do with javafx jmx plugin. How does that
even relate to whether oracle is using javafx internally?

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 7:52 PM Felix Bembrick 
wrote:

> Unfortunately, it has a lot to do with it.
>
> Do you actually realise how much of the entire JMC is written using
> JavaFX? (Not to mention what percentage of Java developers even know about
> or use JMC).
>
> Please check and then feel free to respond and enlighten us all with your
> findings.  100%? At least 90% surely? Hmm...
>
> And, if there are actually any *other* "vestiges" of JavaFX usage within
> Oracle, I would be delighted to hear about them!
>
> In fact, I am confident the entire JavaFX community would absolutely love
> to hear that it's obviously being used in  hundreds of internal
> applications (especially with Oracle being such a huge Java-focused
> company).  I mean it is the "standard" way of building GUI applications
> with Java right? So of course they would have no reason whatsoever to not
> base their entire internal software product suite on this advanced and
> clearly well supported technology.
>
> And throw in the dozens of commercial JavaFX offerings from Oracle and...
>
> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 21:01, Tom Schindl 
> wrote:
> >
> > What has the removal of JMX for JavaFX todo with Oracle using JavaFX
> > themselves?
> >
> > There are projects at Oracle who for sure do use JavaFX and one of them
> > is installed in your JDK! It's Java-Mission-Control.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >> On 10.06.16 12:46, Felix Bembrick wrote:
> >> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
> >>
> >> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs
> on their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?
> >>
> >> No?
> >>
> >> Well I bet Apple employees do!
> >>
> >>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by
> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
> showing 0 results.
> >>>
> >>> cheers,
> >>> dalibor topic
> >>>
>  On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>  As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>  separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>  /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to
> JDK
>  8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
> 
>  Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>  reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
>  file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
>  determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
> 
>  Our options are:
> 
>  1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
> 
>  2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use
> would
>  require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
>  internal packages
> 
>  3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
>  one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with
> -addmods.
> 
>  Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it
> isn't
>  being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need
> to
>  keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
>  the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling,
> so
>  requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
>  PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
> 
>  Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will
> deprecate
>  it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
> 
>  -- Kevin
> >>>
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Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

Unfortunately, it has a lot to do with it.

Do you actually realise how much of the entire JMC is written using JavaFX? 
(Not to mention what percentage of Java developers even know about or use JMC).

Please check and then feel free to respond and enlighten us all with your 
findings.  100%? At least 90% surely? Hmm...

And, if there are actually any *other* "vestiges" of JavaFX usage within 
Oracle, I would be delighted to hear about them!

In fact, I am confident the entire JavaFX community would absolutely love to 
hear that it's obviously being used in  hundreds of internal applications 
(especially with Oracle being such a huge Java-focused company).  I mean it is 
the "standard" way of building GUI applications with Java right? So of course 
they would have no reason whatsoever to not base their entire internal software 
product suite on this advanced and clearly well supported technology.

And throw in the dozens of commercial JavaFX offerings from Oracle and...

> On 10 Jun 2016, at 21:01, Tom Schindl  wrote:
> 
> What has the removal of JMX for JavaFX todo with Oracle using JavaFX
> themselves?
> 
> There are projects at Oracle who for sure do use JavaFX and one of them
> is installed in your JDK! It's Java-Mission-Control.
> 
> Tom
> 
>> On 10.06.16 12:46, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
>> 
>> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on 
>> their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?
>> 
>> No?
>> 
>> Well I bet Apple employees do!
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
>>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>>>  showing 0 results.
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> dalibor topic
>>> 
 On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
 As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
 separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
 /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
 
 Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
 reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
 file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
 determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
 
 Our options are:
 
 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
 
 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
 require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
 internal packages
 
 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
 one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.
 
 Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
 being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
 keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
 the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
 requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
 PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
 
 Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
 it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
 
 -- Kevin
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>>  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
>>> Phone: +494089091214  | Mobile: +491737185961
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
>>> 
>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
>>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
>>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
>>> 
>>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
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>>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher
>>> 
>>>  Oracle is committed to developing
>>> practices and products that help protect the environment
> 
> 
> -- 
> Thomas Schindl, CTO
> BestSolution.at EDV Systemhaus GmbH
> Eduard-Bodem-Gasse 5-7, A-6020 Innsbruck
> http://www.bestsolution.at/
> Reg. Nr. FN 222302s am Firmenbuchgericht Innsbruck

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Scott Palmer]

I never heard of this until this thread. And after googling I still have no 
clue what it is. I think that explains some of why it is rarely used.

Scott

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:01 AM, dalibor topic  wrote:
> 
> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>  showing 0 results.
> 
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
> 
>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>> /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>> 
>> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
>> 
>> Our options are:
>> 
>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>> 
>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
>> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
>> internal packages
>> 
>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
>> one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.
>> 
>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
>> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
>> the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
>> 
>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
>> it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
>> 
>> -- Kevin
> 
> -- 
>  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
> Phone: +494089091214  | Mobile: +491737185961
> 
> 
> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
> 
> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
> 
> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher
> 
>  Oracle is committed to developing
> practices and products that help protect the environment

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Tom Schindl]

What has the removal of JMX for JavaFX todo with Oracle using JavaFX
themselves?

There are projects at Oracle who for sure do use JavaFX and one of them
is installed in your JDK! It's Java-Mission-Control.

Tom

On 10.06.16 12:46, Felix Bembrick wrote:
> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
> 
> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on 
> their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?
> 
> No?
> 
> Well I bet Apple employees do!
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic  wrote:
>>
>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>>  showing 0 results.
>>
>> cheers,
>> dalibor topic
>>
>>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>>> /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
>>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>>>
>>> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>>> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
>>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
>>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
>>>
>>> Our options are:
>>>
>>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>>>
>>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
>>> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
>>> internal packages
>>>
>>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
>>> one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.
>>>
>>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
>>> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
>>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
>>> the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
>>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
>>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
>>>
>>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
>>> it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
>>>
>>> -- Kevin
>>
>> -- 
>>  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
>> Phone: +494089091214  | Mobile: +491737185961
>> 
>>
>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
>>
>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
>>
>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher
>>
>>  Oracle is committed to developing
>> practices and products that help protect the environment


-- 
Thomas Schindl, CTO
BestSolution.at EDV Systemhaus GmbH
Eduard-Bodem-Gasse 5-7, A-6020 Innsbruck
http://www.bestsolution.at/
Reg. Nr. FN 222302s am Firmenbuchgericht Innsbruck

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.

On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on their 
desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?

No?

Well I bet Apple employees do!

> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic  wrote:
> 
> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>  showing 0 results.
> 
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
> 
>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>> /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>> 
>> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
>> 
>> Our options are:
>> 
>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>> 
>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
>> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
>> internal packages
>> 
>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
>> one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.
>> 
>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
>> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
>> the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
>> 
>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
>> it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
>> 
>> -- Kevin
> 
> -- 
>  Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
> Phone: +494089091214  | Mobile: +491737185961
> 
> 
> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
> 
> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München
> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603
> 
> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande
> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher
> 
>  Oracle is committed to developing
> practices and products that help protect the environment

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[dalibor topic]

I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults 
showing 0 results.


cheers,
dalibor topic

On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:

As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.

Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
determine how best to address this in JDK 9.

Our options are:

1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support

2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
internal packages

3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.

Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.

Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
it with the intention to remove it in a future release.

-- Kevin



--
 Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
Phone: +494089091214  | Mobile: +491737185961


ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg

ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
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Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603

Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V.
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher

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practices and products that help protect the environment

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

I am sorry if this is a question you would prefer not to answer but I
believe the answer is significant.

I am sure the entire JavaFX community would love to know if Oracle "eats
their own dog food" so to speak.

Felix

On 9 June 2016 at 10:02, Felix Bembrick  wrote:

> So, if I'm not correct, does that mean that by choosing option 1, there
> will no remaining usage of JavaFX internally by Oracle themselves?
>
> Felix
>
> On 9 June 2016 at 08:31, Kevin Rushforth 
> wrote:
>
>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>> /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK 8
>> being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>>
>> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar file
>> has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to determine
>> how best to address this in JDK 9.
>>
>> Our options are:
>>
>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>>
>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
>> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses internal
>> packages
>>
>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be one
>> of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.
>>
>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
>> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving the
>> ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and PerformanceTracker,
>> is not a problem.
>>
>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
>> it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
>>
>> -- Kevin
>>
>>
>

Re: Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Felix Bembrick]

So, if I'm not correct, does that mean that by choosing option 1, there
will no remaining usage of JavaFX internally by Oracle themselves?

Felix

On 9 June 2016 at 08:31, Kevin Rushforth  wrote:

> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a separate
> jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
> /lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK 8
> being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>
> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar file
> has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to determine
> how best to address this in JDK 9.
>
> Our options are:
>
> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>
> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses internal
> packages
>
> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be one
> of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.
>
> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving the
> ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and PerformanceTracker,
> is not a problem.
>
> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate it
> with the intention to remove it in a future release.
>
> -- Kevin
>
>

Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

[Kevin Rushforth]

As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a 
separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in 
/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK 
8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.


Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug 
reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar 
file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to 
determine how best to address this in JDK 9.


Our options are:

1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support

2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would 
require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses 
internal packages


3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be 
one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.


Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't 
being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to 
keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving 
the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so 
requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and 
PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.


Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate 
it with the intention to remove it in a future release.


-- Kevin