[opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an \"unsupported card\" in other versions.
Hello all, I just started trying to get my muscle card (SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K) working with OpenSC and am having the same problems as Thomas reported. I am currently using Mac OS X 10.6.8 (and Windows XP) and OpenSC 0.12.2. I tried to get around the problem by editing opensc.conf and adding the following with no real success: force_card_driver = muscle; All the above did for me was get opensc-tool -n to report "MuscleApplet". When running pkcs15-tool, I get "binding failed: Unsupported card". I also saw that there is an open bug on this. Ticket #403 - OpenSC no longer works with musclecard and/or multiple drivers Has there been any progress on this issue? Thanks, -David Muoio ___ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
Re: [opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions.
2011/8/19 Daniel Kahn Gillmor : > is it possible that this is due to 0.12 only allowing a single driver > backend? I seem to see a similar regression here: > > http://bugs.debian.org/636553 > > Any thoughts about what a distribution like debian should do to be able > to continue to support multiple backends in a binary distribution of opensc? In your case you use a Schlumberger E-Gate token and you need OpenCT to access it. This token is not supported by a PC/SC driver AFAIK. In the case of Thomas he is using a OmniKey CardMan 3121 and has no problem at the PC/SC layer. It looks like the problem comes from the card type detection. -- Dr. Ludovic Rousseau ___ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
Re: [opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions.
On 08/18/2011 01:39 PM, Ludovic Rousseau wrote: > 2011/8/18 Thomas De Reyck : >> - Scenario 1: On Debian Squeeze Linux (opensc from debian repository): >> Works perfectly. > > Debian squeeze uses OpenSC 0.11.13-1.1 > The latest version is 0.12.2. > > So it looks like a regression. > I don't know if this problem is already known or not. is it possible that this is due to 0.12 only allowing a single driver backend? I seem to see a similar regression here: http://bugs.debian.org/636553 Any thoughts about what a distribution like debian should do to be able to continue to support multiple backends in a binary distribution of opensc? --dkg signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
Re: [opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions.
Hi Ludovic, Thank you very much for your feedback. I will test 0.12.2 in Debian to see if it is truly a regression. If so, should I just report it back here, or is there a bugtracker where I should post this? Kind regards, Thomas On 08/18/2011 07:39 PM, Ludovic Rousseau wrote: > 2011/8/18 Thomas De Reyck : >> - Scenario 1: On Debian Squeeze Linux (opensc from debian repository): >> Works perfectly. > > Debian squeeze uses OpenSC 0.11.13-1.1 > The latest version is 0.12.2. > > So it looks like a regression. > I don't know if this problem is already known or not. > > Bye > ___ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
Re: [opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions.
2011/8/18 Thomas De Reyck : > - Scenario 1: On Debian Squeeze Linux (opensc from debian repository): > Works perfectly. Debian squeeze uses OpenSC 0.11.13-1.1 The latest version is 0.12.2. So it looks like a regression. I don't know if this problem is already known or not. Bye -- Dr. Ludovic Rousseau ___ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
Re: [opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions.
Dear OpenSC developers, I am still experiencing the problem described in my previous e-mails. I'm still hoping that perhaps any of you might know the answer to this issue. I will summarize and try to further clarify the problem: I have: - a smartcard: Muscle Applet on a SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K (3b:f7:18:00:00:80:31:fe:45:73:66:74:65:2d:6e:66:c4) - a card reader: OmniKey CardMan 3121 I run the following command: pkcs15-tool -D - Scenario 1: On Debian Squeeze Linux (opensc from debian repository): Works perfectly. - Scenario 2: On Mac OS X, with latest versions of opensc: Doesn't work: Unsupported Card error (see failure.txt in attachment for debug info) However, in about one in a hundred tries (disconnect/reconnect reader), it suddenly works (see success.txt in attachment for debug info) (even with tokend), but then after a disconnect it stops working. - Scenario 3: On Mac OS X, with SCA-0.2.8: Command works, but tokend doesn't, probably because SCA being too old to work with recent versions of tokend. Because of this, it doesn't really provide complete support since the Smart Card does not appear in the keychain. - Scenario 4: On Windows, with latest versions of opensc: Doesn't work: Unsupported Card error This is not yet relevant for me now, just thought I should mention that it doesn't work in Windows either. To resolve the problem, I have tried: - Forcing the driver to "muscle". -> No success. - Adding the ATR of the card to the config. -> No success. Does the above make sense to someone on this mailing list? I can't seem to find a way to resolve this issue. Any help, hint or suggestion would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Thomas De Reyck 2011/8/12 Thomas De Reyck : > Dear OpenSC developers, > > I used the opensc config file to force the driver to muscle on this > new version, and I could read a smartcard > one time. Afterwards, I unplugged it, replugged, but it will not work > again, not even after restarting pcscd. > > I have included the debug log from a "pkcs15-tool -D" from the > successful attempt, so it can be compared with the unsuccessful > log I've sent in earlier. > > I don't think me forcing the muscle driver has actually been the cause > of making it work once. Just got lucky this time I guess. > If anyone has any clue as what might have triggered this, please let me know. > > Also, has anyone noticed that using opensc-tool --list-drivers > displays the "muscle" driver twice? Is this normal? An example is > also included at the bottom of the attached log. > > Thanks in advance, > Thomas > > 2011/8/7 Thomas De Reyck : >> Dear OpenSC developers, >> >> Last month I've sent the below message to the opensc-user mailing list. >> However, the lack of a response suggests that no other user is aware of >> a solution to this problem. I am wondering if someone on this developer >> mailing list can perhaps have a look. If this is not the purpose of this >> mailing list, then I apologize. >> >> Either way, thank you in advance for having a look. >> >> Kind regards, >> Thomas De Reyck >> >> Original Message >> Subject: SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an >> "unsupported card" in other versions. >> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:36:24 +0200 >> From: Thomas De Reyck >> To: opensc-u...@lists.opensc-project.org >> >> Dear OpenSC users, >> >> I was wondering if any of you could assist me with the following: >> >> I have been able to set up the Muscle Applet on a SmartCafe Expert 3.2 >> 72K smartcard. My original >> experimentation was performed on a Debian Squeeze system, with the >> OpenSC provided by Debian. >> The OpenSC version used is: 0.11.13 (according to opensc-tool) >> >> However, an important aspect for this project, is having the smart >> card work on Mac OS X 10.6 as well. But >> here I have found the following issues: >> >> - Using the latest version of OpenSC for Mac: 0.12.1 >> - Source: >> http://www.opensc-project.org/files/opensc/OpenSC-0.12.1-10.6.dmg >> - Installation works fine, however, when I try to work with the >> card, it is unsupported: >> >>> pkcs15-tool -D >>> Using reader with a card: OmniKey CardMan 3121 00 00 >>> PKCS#15 binding failed: Unsupported card >> >> - Can read ATR from opensc-tool. >> - PKCS#11 module doesn't work. >> - OpenSC.tokend doesn't work either. >> >> >> - Using the latest SCA deprecated version: SCA-0.2.8 >> - Source: http://www.opensc-project.org/files/sca/sca-0.2.8.dmg >> - Installation works fine. >> - pkcs15-tool -D works fine. >> - Can read ATR from opensc-tool. >> - Tokend works on 32-bit based systems, but does not work on 64-bit >> systems. Probably normal, since this is a deprecated version. >> - PKCS#11 module works fine in Firefox and Adobe Reader. >> >> >> - Just for testing: When I use a Windows 7 computer, and install >> either the 32- or 64-bit version, I also get the "Unsupported Card" >> error >> on that computer. >> >> Of course, it is my goal to have this work
Re: [opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions.
There was no attachment. On 8/10/2011 7:51 AM, Thomas De Reyck wrote: > Dear Douglas, > > Thanks for your response. I've read through the debug log > before, but it didn't tell me much. Perhaps it will be more clear > to you or someone else on the list, so I've attached it to this message. > > The output you see in the file is generated by one "pkcs15-tool -D" command. > I used the newer OpenSC 0.12.2 for Mac this time, but to no avail. > > Under Debian linux, my smart cards are still working properly, so this > seems very strange. > > Kind regards, > Thomas > > 2011/8/8 Douglas E. Engert: >> >> >> On 8/7/2011 10:10 AM, Thomas De Reyck wrote: >>> Dear OpenSC developers, >>> >>> Last month I've sent the below message to the opensc-user mailing list. >>> However, the lack of a response suggests that no other user is aware of >>> a solution to this problem. I am wondering if someone on this developer >>> mailing list can perhaps have a look. If this is not the purpose of this >>> mailing list, then I apologize. >>> >>> Either way, thank you in advance for having a look. >> >> Try turning on debugging in OpenSC. In the opensc.conf file set >> debug = 7; >> debug_file = /tmp/opensc-debug.log; >> >> This might show why it is marked as unsupported of why it is failing. >> >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Thomas De Reyck >>> >>> Original Message >>> Subject: SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an >>> "unsupported card" in other versions. >>> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:36:24 +0200 >>> From: Thomas De Reyck >>> To: opensc-u...@lists.opensc-project.org >>> >>> Dear OpenSC users, >>> >>> I was wondering if any of you could assist me with the following: >>> >>> I have been able to set up the Muscle Applet on a SmartCafe Expert 3.2 >>> 72K smartcard. My original >>> experimentation was performed on a Debian Squeeze system, with the >>> OpenSC provided by Debian. >>> The OpenSC version used is: 0.11.13 (according to opensc-tool) >>> >>> However, an important aspect for this project, is having the smart >>> card work on Mac OS X 10.6 as well. But >>> here I have found the following issues: >>> >>> - Using the latest version of OpenSC for Mac: 0.12.1 >>> - Source: >>> http://www.opensc-project.org/files/opensc/OpenSC-0.12.1-10.6.dmg >>> - Installation works fine, however, when I try to work with the >>> card, it is unsupported: >>> pkcs15-tool -D Using reader with a card: OmniKey CardMan 3121 00 00 PKCS#15 binding failed: Unsupported card >>> >>> - Can read ATR from opensc-tool. >>> - PKCS#11 module doesn't work. >>> - OpenSC.tokend doesn't work either. >>> >>> >>> - Using the latest SCA deprecated version: SCA-0.2.8 >>> - Source: http://www.opensc-project.org/files/sca/sca-0.2.8.dmg >>> - Installation works fine. >>> - pkcs15-tool -D works fine. >>> - Can read ATR from opensc-tool. >>> - Tokend works on 32-bit based systems, but does not work on 64-bit >>> systems. Probably normal, since this is a deprecated version. >>> - PKCS#11 module works fine in Firefox and Adobe Reader. >>> >>> >>> - Just for testing: When I use a Windows 7 computer, and install >>> either the 32- or 64-bit version, I also get the "Unsupported Card" >>> error >>> on that computer. >>> >>> Of course, it is my goal to have this working with a recent version, >>> with both PKCS#11 and tokend support. Perhaps PKCS#11 and tokend >>> are functional in the latest available version, but because of the >>> "Unsupported Card" error, I cannot test this. >>> >>> Is there any way to mark my card as supported? Can I do so myself? Do >>> I need to report this as a bug? >>> Should I perhaps forward this request somewhere else? >>> >>> Thank you in advance, >>> Thomas De Reyck >>> >>> >>> >>> More Info: >>> Smartcard: >>> http://www.smartcardfocus.com/shop/ilp/id~521/SmartCafe_Expert_3_2_72K/p/index.shtml >>> ATR: 3b:f7:18:00:00:80:31:fe:45:73:66:74:65:2d:6e:66:c4 >>> ___ >>> opensc-devel mailing list >>> opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org >>> http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Douglas E. Engert >> Argonne National Laboratory >> 9700 South Cass Avenue >> Argonne, Illinois 60439 >> (630) 252-5444 >> ___ >> opensc-devel mailing list >> opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org >> http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel >> > ___ > opensc-devel mailing list > opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org > http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel > > -- Douglas E. Engert Argonne National Laboratory 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, Illinois 60439 (630) 252-5444 ___ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
Re: [opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions.
Dear Douglas, Thanks for your response. I've read through the debug log before, but it didn't tell me much. Perhaps it will be more clear to you or someone else on the list, so I've attached it to this message. The output you see in the file is generated by one "pkcs15-tool -D" command. I used the newer OpenSC 0.12.2 for Mac this time, but to no avail. Under Debian linux, my smart cards are still working properly, so this seems very strange. Kind regards, Thomas 2011/8/8 Douglas E. Engert : > > > On 8/7/2011 10:10 AM, Thomas De Reyck wrote: >> Dear OpenSC developers, >> >> Last month I've sent the below message to the opensc-user mailing list. >> However, the lack of a response suggests that no other user is aware of >> a solution to this problem. I am wondering if someone on this developer >> mailing list can perhaps have a look. If this is not the purpose of this >> mailing list, then I apologize. >> >> Either way, thank you in advance for having a look. > > Try turning on debugging in OpenSC. In the opensc.conf file set > debug = 7; > debug_file = /tmp/opensc-debug.log; > > This might show why it is marked as unsupported of why it is failing. > >> >> Kind regards, >> Thomas De Reyck >> >> Original Message >> Subject: SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an >> "unsupported card" in other versions. >> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:36:24 +0200 >> From: Thomas De Reyck >> To: opensc-u...@lists.opensc-project.org >> >> Dear OpenSC users, >> >> I was wondering if any of you could assist me with the following: >> >> I have been able to set up the Muscle Applet on a SmartCafe Expert 3.2 >> 72K smartcard. My original >> experimentation was performed on a Debian Squeeze system, with the >> OpenSC provided by Debian. >> The OpenSC version used is: 0.11.13 (according to opensc-tool) >> >> However, an important aspect for this project, is having the smart >> card work on Mac OS X 10.6 as well. But >> here I have found the following issues: >> >> - Using the latest version of OpenSC for Mac: 0.12.1 >> - Source: >> http://www.opensc-project.org/files/opensc/OpenSC-0.12.1-10.6.dmg >> - Installation works fine, however, when I try to work with the >> card, it is unsupported: >> >>> pkcs15-tool -D >>> Using reader with a card: OmniKey CardMan 3121 00 00 >>> PKCS#15 binding failed: Unsupported card >> >> - Can read ATR from opensc-tool. >> - PKCS#11 module doesn't work. >> - OpenSC.tokend doesn't work either. >> >> >> - Using the latest SCA deprecated version: SCA-0.2.8 >> - Source: http://www.opensc-project.org/files/sca/sca-0.2.8.dmg >> - Installation works fine. >> - pkcs15-tool -D works fine. >> - Can read ATR from opensc-tool. >> - Tokend works on 32-bit based systems, but does not work on 64-bit >> systems. Probably normal, since this is a deprecated version. >> - PKCS#11 module works fine in Firefox and Adobe Reader. >> >> >> - Just for testing: When I use a Windows 7 computer, and install >> either the 32- or 64-bit version, I also get the "Unsupported Card" >> error >> on that computer. >> >> Of course, it is my goal to have this working with a recent version, >> with both PKCS#11 and tokend support. Perhaps PKCS#11 and tokend >> are functional in the latest available version, but because of the >> "Unsupported Card" error, I cannot test this. >> >> Is there any way to mark my card as supported? Can I do so myself? Do >> I need to report this as a bug? >> Should I perhaps forward this request somewhere else? >> >> Thank you in advance, >> Thomas De Reyck >> >> >> >> More Info: >> Smartcard: >> http://www.smartcardfocus.com/shop/ilp/id~521/SmartCafe_Expert_3_2_72K/p/index.shtml >> ATR: 3b:f7:18:00:00:80:31:fe:45:73:66:74:65:2d:6e:66:c4 >> ___ >> opensc-devel mailing list >> opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org >> http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel >> >> > > -- > > Douglas E. Engert > Argonne National Laboratory > 9700 South Cass Avenue > Argonne, Illinois 60439 > (630) 252-5444 > ___ > opensc-devel mailing list > opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org > http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel > ___ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
Re: [opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions.
On 8/7/2011 10:10 AM, Thomas De Reyck wrote: > Dear OpenSC developers, > > Last month I've sent the below message to the opensc-user mailing list. > However, the lack of a response suggests that no other user is aware of > a solution to this problem. I am wondering if someone on this developer > mailing list can perhaps have a look. If this is not the purpose of this > mailing list, then I apologize. > > Either way, thank you in advance for having a look. Try turning on debugging in OpenSC. In the opensc.conf file set debug = 7; debug_file = /tmp/opensc-debug.log; This might show why it is marked as unsupported of why it is failing. > > Kind regards, > Thomas De Reyck > > Original Message > Subject: SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an > "unsupported card" in other versions. > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:36:24 +0200 > From: Thomas De Reyck > To: opensc-u...@lists.opensc-project.org > > Dear OpenSC users, > > I was wondering if any of you could assist me with the following: > > I have been able to set up the Muscle Applet on a SmartCafe Expert 3.2 > 72K smartcard. My original > experimentation was performed on a Debian Squeeze system, with the > OpenSC provided by Debian. > The OpenSC version used is: 0.11.13 (according to opensc-tool) > > However, an important aspect for this project, is having the smart > card work on Mac OS X 10.6 as well. But > here I have found the following issues: > > - Using the latest version of OpenSC for Mac: 0.12.1 >- Source: > http://www.opensc-project.org/files/opensc/OpenSC-0.12.1-10.6.dmg >- Installation works fine, however, when I try to work with the > card, it is unsupported: > >> pkcs15-tool -D >> Using reader with a card: OmniKey CardMan 3121 00 00 >> PKCS#15 binding failed: Unsupported card > >- Can read ATR from opensc-tool. >- PKCS#11 module doesn't work. >- OpenSC.tokend doesn't work either. > > > - Using the latest SCA deprecated version: SCA-0.2.8 >- Source: http://www.opensc-project.org/files/sca/sca-0.2.8.dmg >- Installation works fine. >- pkcs15-tool -D works fine. >- Can read ATR from opensc-tool. >- Tokend works on 32-bit based systems, but does not work on 64-bit > systems. Probably normal, since this is a deprecated version. >- PKCS#11 module works fine in Firefox and Adobe Reader. > > > - Just for testing: When I use a Windows 7 computer, and install > either the 32- or 64-bit version, I also get the "Unsupported Card" > error > on that computer. > > Of course, it is my goal to have this working with a recent version, > with both PKCS#11 and tokend support. Perhaps PKCS#11 and tokend > are functional in the latest available version, but because of the > "Unsupported Card" error, I cannot test this. > > Is there any way to mark my card as supported? Can I do so myself? Do > I need to report this as a bug? > Should I perhaps forward this request somewhere else? > > Thank you in advance, > Thomas De Reyck > > > > More Info: > Smartcard: > http://www.smartcardfocus.com/shop/ilp/id~521/SmartCafe_Expert_3_2_72K/p/index.shtml > ATR: 3b:f7:18:00:00:80:31:fe:45:73:66:74:65:2d:6e:66:c4 > ___ > opensc-devel mailing list > opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org > http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel > > -- Douglas E. Engert Argonne National Laboratory 9700 South Cass Avenue Argonne, Illinois 60439 (630) 252-5444 ___ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
[opensc-devel] SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions.
Dear OpenSC developers, Last month I've sent the below message to the opensc-user mailing list. However, the lack of a response suggests that no other user is aware of a solution to this problem. I am wondering if someone on this developer mailing list can perhaps have a look. If this is not the purpose of this mailing list, then I apologize. Either way, thank you in advance for having a look. Kind regards, Thomas De Reyck Original Message Subject: SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K works fine in some versions but is an "unsupported card" in other versions. Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:36:24 +0200 From: Thomas De Reyck To: opensc-u...@lists.opensc-project.org Dear OpenSC users, I was wondering if any of you could assist me with the following: I have been able to set up the Muscle Applet on a SmartCafe Expert 3.2 72K smartcard. My original experimentation was performed on a Debian Squeeze system, with the OpenSC provided by Debian. The OpenSC version used is: 0.11.13 (according to opensc-tool) However, an important aspect for this project, is having the smart card work on Mac OS X 10.6 as well. But here I have found the following issues: - Using the latest version of OpenSC for Mac: 0.12.1 - Source: http://www.opensc-project.org/files/opensc/OpenSC-0.12.1-10.6.dmg - Installation works fine, however, when I try to work with the card, it is unsupported: > pkcs15-tool -D > Using reader with a card: OmniKey CardMan 3121 00 00 > PKCS#15 binding failed: Unsupported card - Can read ATR from opensc-tool. - PKCS#11 module doesn't work. - OpenSC.tokend doesn't work either. - Using the latest SCA deprecated version: SCA-0.2.8 - Source: http://www.opensc-project.org/files/sca/sca-0.2.8.dmg - Installation works fine. - pkcs15-tool -D works fine. - Can read ATR from opensc-tool. - Tokend works on 32-bit based systems, but does not work on 64-bit systems. Probably normal, since this is a deprecated version. - PKCS#11 module works fine in Firefox and Adobe Reader. - Just for testing: When I use a Windows 7 computer, and install either the 32- or 64-bit version, I also get the "Unsupported Card" error on that computer. Of course, it is my goal to have this working with a recent version, with both PKCS#11 and tokend support. Perhaps PKCS#11 and tokend are functional in the latest available version, but because of the "Unsupported Card" error, I cannot test this. Is there any way to mark my card as supported? Can I do so myself? Do I need to report this as a bug? Should I perhaps forward this request somewhere else? Thank you in advance, Thomas De Reyck More Info: Smartcard: http://www.smartcardfocus.com/shop/ilp/id~521/SmartCafe_Expert_3_2_72K/p/index.shtml ATR: 3b:f7:18:00:00:80:31:fe:45:73:66:74:65:2d:6e:66:c4 ___ opensc-devel mailing list opensc-devel@lists.opensc-project.org http://www.opensc-project.org/mailman/listinfo/opensc-devel
