Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-12 Thread Shy Robbiani 
What are the advantages of of using PostgreSQL for Opensim in comparison to
mysql? Perfomance? Memory usage? Anything else? As far as I know, both have
improved over the years and for me, as an average user and not a database
guru, they are about the same. In other words, why should I switch if I
have everything in place with MySQL?

On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:

 I hope so. I want to see it in production soon. cant wait to compile it
 from oficial repository :)

 I'm working on the database migration tool, and it is almost done. (mysql
 to postgresql) or any direction (even sqlite to postgres), mssql to
 postgres.
 as prototype its fixed to mysql to postgres, but adding the database
 plugin, like opensim itself, it can be done only configuring the INI file.

 like this:
  [Setup]
 Databases = myopensim,osmyothersim

 [DatabaseOrigin]
 StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll
 ConnectionString = Data Source=localhost;User ID=root;Password=***;Old
 Guids=true;Database=

 [DatabaseTarget]
 StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.PGSQL.dll
 ConnectionString = User
 ID=postgres;Password=***;Host=localhost;Port=5432;Database=



  Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands




  2013/10/11 James Hughes jam...@bluewallgroup.com

  On 10/10/2013 10:09 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira wrote:

 Hello

 I just requested a push from my fork of opensim to the nebadon git
 opensim repository, that I created the PostgreSQL project to use this
 database in opensim.

 https://github.com/ffoliveira/**opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQLhttps://github.com/ffoliveira/opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQL

 I already have a Mantis Account.

 I hope the code and it's use may improve opensim performance and gain
 more users.

 Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_**lands http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands


 Thanks Fernando. I have always been suspect of projects that had no PgSQL
 support :) I think it will be a nice addition to our little project.

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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-12 Thread Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
my intention with the project was to add new features and not replace them.
With a database like postgresql, we can cover more users, and many of them
in the corporate environment.
Database migration is an option, and I'm working on a tool to cover who
want to do it.

I saw some advantages using postgresql, but it's necessary to do more
benchmarks to see how its behavior under pressure.
This was a little test :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iPjAItQPNQCUagROLogf6GZH3NdPE_Wtn2KtAIhYwyE/edit?usp=sharingless



Fernando Oliveira
http://oliveira.eti.br

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2013/10/12 Shy Robbiani shy.robbi...@gmail.com

 What are the advantages of of using PostgreSQL for Opensim in comparison
 to mysql? Perfomance? Memory usage? Anything else? As far as I know, both
 have improved over the years and for me, as an average user and not a
 database guru, they are about the same. In other words, why should I switch
 if I have everything in place with MySQL?

 On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
 ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:

 I hope so. I want to see it in production soon. cant wait to compile it
 from oficial repository :)

 I'm working on the database migration tool, and it is almost done. (mysql
 to postgresql) or any direction (even sqlite to postgres), mssql to
 postgres.
 as prototype its fixed to mysql to postgres, but adding the database
 plugin, like opensim itself, it can be done only configuring the INI file.

 like this:
  [Setup]
 Databases = myopensim,osmyothersim

 [DatabaseOrigin]
 StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll
 ConnectionString = Data Source=localhost;User ID=root;Password=***;Old
 Guids=true;Database=

 [DatabaseTarget]
 StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.PGSQL.dll
 ConnectionString = User
 ID=postgres;Password=***;Host=localhost;Port=5432;Database=



  Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands




  2013/10/11 James Hughes jam...@bluewallgroup.com

  On 10/10/2013 10:09 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira wrote:

 Hello

 I just requested a push from my fork of opensim to the nebadon git
 opensim repository, that I created the PostgreSQL project to use this
 database in opensim.

 https://github.com/ffoliveira/**opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQLhttps://github.com/ffoliveira/opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQL

 I already have a Mantis Account.

 I hope the code and it's use may improve opensim performance and gain
 more users.

 Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_**lands http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands


 Thanks Fernando. I have always been suspect of projects that had no
 PgSQL support :) I think it will be a nice addition to our little project.

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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-12 Thread Shy Robbiani 
Interesting. I'll give it a try on my test sims and watch memory
consumption as memory limitations are often an issue for some virtual
server installs. And yes, it's always good to have options. I'm glad to see
it in the git master :)

On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:

  my intention with the project was to add new features and not replace
 them.
 With a database like postgresql, we can cover more users, and many of them
 in the corporate environment.
 Database migration is an option, and I'm working on a tool to cover who
 want to do it.

 I saw some advantages using postgresql, but it's necessary to do more
 benchmarks to see how its behavior under pressure.
 This was a little test :
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iPjAItQPNQCUagROLogf6GZH3NdPE_Wtn2KtAIhYwyE/edit?usp=sharingless



  Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands




 2013/10/12 Shy Robbiani shy.robbi...@gmail.com

 What are the advantages of of using PostgreSQL for Opensim in comparison
 to mysql? Perfomance? Memory usage? Anything else? As far as I know, both
 have improved over the years and for me, as an average user and not a
 database guru, they are about the same. In other words, why should I switch
 if I have everything in place with MySQL?

 On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
 ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:

 I hope so. I want to see it in production soon. cant wait to compile it
 from oficial repository :)

 I'm working on the database migration tool, and it is almost done.
 (mysql to postgresql) or any direction (even sqlite to postgres), mssql to
 postgres.
 as prototype its fixed to mysql to postgres, but adding the database
 plugin, like opensim itself, it can be done only configuring the INI file.

 like this:
  [Setup]
 Databases = myopensim,osmyothersim

 [DatabaseOrigin]
 StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll
 ConnectionString = Data Source=localhost;User ID=root;Password=***;Old
 Guids=true;Database=

 [DatabaseTarget]
 StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.PGSQL.dll
 ConnectionString = User
 ID=postgres;Password=***;Host=localhost;Port=5432;Database=



  Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands




  2013/10/11 James Hughes jam...@bluewallgroup.com

  On 10/10/2013 10:09 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira wrote:

 Hello

 I just requested a push from my fork of opensim to the nebadon git
 opensim repository, that I created the PostgreSQL project to use this
 database in opensim.

 https://github.com/ffoliveira/**opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQLhttps://github.com/ffoliveira/opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQL

 I already have a Mantis Account.

 I hope the code and it's use may improve opensim performance and gain
 more users.

 Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_**landshttp://twitter.com/oliveira_lands


 Thanks Fernando. I have always been suspect of projects that had no
 PgSQL support :) I think it will be a nice addition to our little project.

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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-12 Thread Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
Good. It would be nice to see the results when you get it.
I'm going to conduct some more tests on my server too. The preliminary
tests I've done at my home computer, with win8 and lots of stuff installed.
Timothy Rogers did some tests on his servers and got better results that I
did.


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2013/10/12 Shy Robbiani shy.robbi...@gmail.com

 Interesting. I'll give it a try on my test sims and watch memory
 consumption as memory limitations are often an issue for some virtual
 server installs. And yes, it's always good to have options. I'm glad to see
 it in the git master :)


 On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
 ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:

  my intention with the project was to add new features and not replace
 them.
 With a database like postgresql, we can cover more users, and many of
 them in the corporate environment.
 Database migration is an option, and I'm working on a tool to cover who
 want to do it.

 I saw some advantages using postgresql, but it's necessary to do more
 benchmarks to see how its behavior under pressure.
 This was a little test :
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iPjAItQPNQCUagROLogf6GZH3NdPE_Wtn2KtAIhYwyE/edit?usp=sharingless



  Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands




 2013/10/12 Shy Robbiani shy.robbi...@gmail.com

 What are the advantages of of using PostgreSQL for Opensim in comparison
 to mysql? Perfomance? Memory usage? Anything else? As far as I know, both
 have improved over the years and for me, as an average user and not a
 database guru, they are about the same. In other words, why should I switch
 if I have everything in place with MySQL?

 On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
 ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:

 I hope so. I want to see it in production soon. cant wait to compile it
 from oficial repository :)

 I'm working on the database migration tool, and it is almost done.
 (mysql to postgresql) or any direction (even sqlite to postgres), mssql to
 postgres.
 as prototype its fixed to mysql to postgres, but adding the database
 plugin, like opensim itself, it can be done only configuring the INI file.

 like this:
  [Setup]
 Databases = myopensim,osmyothersim

 [DatabaseOrigin]
 StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll
 ConnectionString = Data Source=localhost;User ID=root;Password=***;Old
 Guids=true;Database=

 [DatabaseTarget]
 StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.PGSQL.dll
 ConnectionString = User
 ID=postgres;Password=***;Host=localhost;Port=5432;Database=



  Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands




  2013/10/11 James Hughes jam...@bluewallgroup.com

  On 10/10/2013 10:09 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira wrote:

 Hello

 I just requested a push from my fork of opensim to the nebadon git
 opensim repository, that I created the PostgreSQL project to use this
 database in opensim.

 https://github.com/ffoliveira/**opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQLhttps://github.com/ffoliveira/opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQL

 I already have a Mantis Account.

 I hope the code and it's use may improve opensim performance and gain
 more users.

 Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_**landshttp://twitter.com/oliveira_lands


 Thanks Fernando. I have always been suspect of projects that had no
 PgSQL support :) I think it will be a nice addition to our little project.

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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-11 Thread James Stallings II 
Hi Sean,

Migration would most readily be accomplished with the very excellent OAR
capability provided by Justin Clarke-Casey a few years back ;)

Cheers



On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:

 Hello, thank you for your support. Me and Timothy did some preliminary
 tests and it seens to work in a some way better than mysql. But as you said
 it depends from each environment where it is been tested.

 I'm working on a software tool do do the migrations from any opensim
 supported database to postgresql, but still imature. My idea is to do
 migrations in any direction. my-pg | pg-my | ms-my | my-ms etc.

 I already put the config comented examples on StandaloneCommon.ini and
 other config files.


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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-11 Thread Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
Yes, but for griders, I think it need a migration too, what oar can't do ...

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2013/10/11 James Stallings II james.stalli...@gmail.com

 Hi Sean,

 Migration would most readily be accomplished with the very excellent OAR
 capability provided by Justin Clarke-Casey a few years back ;)

 Cheers



 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
 ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:

 Hello, thank you for your support. Me and Timothy did some preliminary
 tests and it seens to work in a some way better than mysql. But as you said
 it depends from each environment where it is been tested.

 I'm working on a software tool do do the migrations from any opensim
 supported database to postgresql, but still imature. My idea is to do
 migrations in any direction. my-pg | pg-my | ms-my | my-ms etc.

 I already put the config comented examples on StandaloneCommon.ini and
 other config files.


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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-11 Thread James Hughes 

On 10/10/2013 10:09 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira wrote:

Hello

I just requested a push from my fork of opensim to the nebadon git
opensim repository, that I created the PostgreSQL project to use this
database in opensim.

https://github.com/ffoliveira/opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQL

I already have a Mantis Account.

I hope the code and it's use may improve opensim performance and gain
more users.

Fernando Oliveira
http://oliveira.eti.br

http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands



Thanks Fernando. I have always been suspect of projects that had no 
PgSQL support :) I think it will be a nice addition to our little project.


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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-11 Thread Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
I hope so. I want to see it in production soon. cant wait to compile it
from oficial repository :)

I'm working on the database migration tool, and it is almost done. (mysql
to postgresql) or any direction (even sqlite to postgres), mssql to
postgres.
as prototype its fixed to mysql to postgres, but adding the database
plugin, like opensim itself, it can be done only configuring the INI file.

like this:
[Setup]
Databases = myopensim,osmyothersim

[DatabaseOrigin]
StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.MySQL.dll
ConnectionString = Data Source=localhost;User ID=root;Password=***;Old
Guids=true;Database=

[DatabaseTarget]
StorageProvider = OpenSim.Data.PGSQL.dll
ConnectionString = User
ID=postgres;Password=***;Host=localhost;Port=5432;Database=



Fernando Oliveira
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2013/10/11 James Hughes jam...@bluewallgroup.com

 On 10/10/2013 10:09 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira wrote:

 Hello

 I just requested a push from my fork of opensim to the nebadon git
 opensim repository, that I created the PostgreSQL project to use this
 database in opensim.

 https://github.com/ffoliveira/**opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQLhttps://github.com/ffoliveira/opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQL

 I already have a Mantis Account.

 I hope the code and it's use may improve opensim performance and gain
 more users.

 Fernando Oliveira
 http://oliveira.eti.br

 http://twitter.com/oliveira_**lands http://twitter.com/oliveira_lands


 Thanks Fernando. I have always been suspect of projects that had no PgSQL
 support :) I think it will be a nice addition to our little project.

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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-10 Thread James Stallings II 
Brilliant Fernando, Cheers!

James


On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:

 Hello

 I just requested a push from my fork of opensim to the nebadon git opensim
 repository, that I created the PostgreSQL project to use this database in
 opensim.

 https://github.com/ffoliveira/opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQL

 I already have a Mantis Account.

 I hope the code and it's use may improve opensim performance and gain more
 users.

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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-10 Thread Diva Canto 
I don't have any objections on taking this into core, as long as 
Fernando is willing to maintain it in the long run.

Thanks, Fernando.

On 10/10/2013 7:09 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira wrote:

Hello

I just requested a push from my fork of opensim to the nebadon git 
opensim repository, that I created the PostgreSQL project to use this 
database in opensim.


https://github.com/ffoliveira/opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQL

I already have a Mantis Account.

I hope the code and it's use may improve opensim performance and gain 
more users.


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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-10 Thread Sean McNamara 
This is very cool!

Fernando -- are there any quantitative results of how well PostgreSQL
handles OpenSim's workload compared to MySQL/MariaDB? Has anyone
tested the performance to see if it is actually better?

I know it's very hard to compare two database systems, because you can
easily produce a benchmark that does well on one and not the other.
But, in this case, we are talking about a fairly specific workload,
with OpenSim -- the workload will vary in scale depending on the
region's popularity, but the use patterns will be more or less similar
(within reason; if you have a heavily hacked special-purpose region,
its usage pattern may fall beyond the typical use case).

Anyway, I will see about giving this a try soon just to see if it's
stable and working. Do you have any documentation written up (on the
Wiki would be nice), or is it all just in the example config files and
the source code? Region operators might also be interested in a guide
detailing a migration process for those wanting to retain existing
data while moving from MySQL to Postgres.

Thanks!

Sean

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Fernando Francisco de Oliveira
ferna...@oliveira.eti.br wrote:
 Hello

 I just requested a push from my fork of opensim to the nebadon git opensim
 repository, that I created the PostgreSQL project to use this database in
 opensim.

 https://github.com/ffoliveira/opensimulator/tree/PostgreSQL

 I already have a Mantis Account.

 I hope the code and it's use may improve opensim performance and gain more
 users.

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Re: [Opensim-dev] PostgreSQL data module for OpenSim

2013-10-10 Thread Fernando Francisco de Oliveira 
Hello, thank you for your support. Me and Timothy did some preliminary
tests and it seens to work in a some way better than mysql. But as you said
it depends from each environment where it is been tested.

I'm working on a software tool do do the migrations from any opensim
supported database to postgresql, but still imature. My idea is to do
migrations in any direction. my-pg | pg-my | ms-my | my-ms etc.

I already put the config comented examples on StandaloneCommon.ini and
other config files.

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