Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Lino Figueroa]

I'm sorry for you, fellow american developers, for having to fight with all
of these "software patents" (or "patent the next stupid idea I have but I
have no idea of how to make it possible") crap.

Anyway I agree with parts of  your points 1 (not talking here about patents)
and number 5 (wait to see what happens) and agree completely with Mark
Malewski last post ("software patents reduce innovation") and disagree
completely about if companies are evil or not for patenting these things:
they are, even Google, IBM and all of these:when the money income goes down,
the lawyers go up.

Greetings from a (nowadays) quite free country in Europe.

Impalah


2011/2/3 dz 

> Once again,
>   a tempest in a teapot.
>
> I, for one,  would remind people of some of the things we have learned
> about patent discussions on this list.
>
> 1.  It is FAR more detrimental to the OpenSim movement if detailed patent
> information is posted here..   Reading those patents is a VERY bad idea for
> anyone who wants to contribute.  DON'T DO IT
>
> 2. People who squawk about VALUABLE members of our small community are
> generally exposing their ignorance of the importance of having OpenSim based
> companies survive, flourish, and operate in a businesslike manner.
>
> 3. People who choose to  freak out over the ruination of  the OpenSim world
> BECAUSE of A patent POSSIBLY being granted.. have their head in the sand and
> should wake up.   That's the way the software world WORKS NOW.  If you wanna
> be PISSED OF about something and spend your efforts to FIX something
> important,  get involved in requesting the US DOJ look at MicroSofts'
> lightly veiled approach to lead a consortium to purchase Novells LINUX
> patent portfolio...
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110120094059746
>
> 4.  If you want to insure OpenSim has minimal patent liabilities,  talk to
> the core developers who are willing to turn a blind eye and continue to
> believe MicroSoft when they say  "Of course,  you don't need to worry one
> NIT over the fact that .NET and C## are  fully entangled into our
> proprietary technology and we sorta might wont ever sue anyone for using
> THAT
>
> 5. There are MANY companies whos patents we DEPEND on.  Many of the core
> developers over the history of this project are employed by companies who
> rank in the top 10 patents holders in the world.  These companies are NOT
> evil BECAUSE they filed for patents.  When the day comes that Kyle and the
> folks at Reaction Grid USE the patent to inhibit the development of
> OpenSim,  THEN  I will encourage you to get irate.   Until then,  I think
> Kyles'  & Reaction Grids continuous and dedicated efforts to SERVE the
> opensim community, and do the right thing are what I would be  spending my
> efforts posting about.
>
> D
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[dz]

Once again,
  a tempest in a teapot.

I, for one,  would remind people of some of the things we have learned about
patent discussions on this list.

1.  It is FAR more detrimental to the OpenSim movement if detailed patent
information is posted here..   Reading those patents is a VERY bad idea for
anyone who wants to contribute.  DON'T DO IT

2. People who squawk about VALUABLE members of our small community are
generally exposing their ignorance of the importance of having OpenSim based
companies survive, flourish, and operate in a businesslike manner.

3. People who choose to  freak out over the ruination of  the OpenSim world
BECAUSE of A patent POSSIBLY being granted.. have their head in the sand and
should wake up.   That's the way the software world WORKS NOW.  If you wanna
be PISSED OF about something and spend your efforts to FIX something
important,  get involved in requesting the US DOJ look at MicroSofts'
lightly veiled approach to lead a consortium to purchase Novells LINUX
patent portfolio...
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110120094059746

4.  If you want to insure OpenSim has minimal patent liabilities,  talk to
the core developers who are willing to turn a blind eye and continue to
believe MicroSoft when they say  "Of course,  you don't need to worry one
NIT over the fact that .NET and C## are  fully entangled into our
proprietary technology and we sorta might wont ever sue anyone for using
THAT

5. There are MANY companies whos patents we DEPEND on.  Many of the core
developers over the history of this project are employed by companies who
rank in the top 10 patents holders in the world.  These companies are NOT
evil BECAUSE they filed for patents.  When the day comes that Kyle and the
folks at Reaction Grid USE the patent to inhibit the development of
OpenSim,  THEN  I will encourage you to get irate.   Until then,  I think
Kyles'  & Reaction Grids continuous and dedicated efforts to SERVE the
opensim community, and do the right thing are what I would be  spending my
efforts posting about.

D
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mircea Kitsune]

Woah. I can't believe the amount of idiocracy still in existence. Someone 
actually wants to patent *virtual spaces*? That's hilarious. Thank goodness no 
one will actually look at somethig like that, unless the US falls under full 
dictatorship officially. But like someone said in this list, "only in America" 
:/
 
Also, I hope the people here who read this can stay away from Reaction Grid 
from now on. Such people deserve nothing, and their grid or whatever they're 
doing should be left to rot IMO. It's what all groups and companies who behave 
in such a dismal way diserve. To sum the situation up, S-H-A-M-E. And they will 
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Kevin Cozens]

Drew Hart wrote:

And, I wish the U.S. did not allow process patents.  It's like someone could
patent addition/subtraction or something ridiculous.


The way the US Patent Office seems to work, they would probably grant the 
patent. They have granted other (software related) patents where there was 
prior art, and/or for things that are more basic things that others are 
likely to invent for themselves without knowing anyone else has already done it.

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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Robert A. Knop Jr.]

On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 04:46:57PM -0500, Fleep Tuque wrote:
> I have quite a lot of respect for the Reaction Grid team and the services
> they are providing to educators and newbies in the opensim space.  There are
> many faculty and teachers whose expertise is in something other than
> managing servers, and they are far from stupid people.
> 
> Personally, I'll reserve judgement until I've, you know, read the patent
> application.   You probably should, too.

If they're applying for business method or software patents, that's
enough right there to condemn them, as far as I'm concerned.  There's no
possible way in which their doing so is going to help open source
software, OpenSim specifically, or virtual worlds (especially in the
education space) in general.  The only conceivable way it might be
justified to help is if it's going to be used "defensively" and if it's
going to be submitted to a common pool of defensive patents.  However,
that's not usually what companies do; they file patents so as to
increase the valuation of their company in case they get sold or in case
their investors want proof that they're getting something for their
investment.

I feel very strongly about this.  I got myself fired once upon a time
for not wanting to be part of a patent process on software patents.  So,
don't go and tell me that I can't judge when somebody else is applying
for business method or software patents.  The very *concept* is flawed,
and somebody taking advantage of that concept is taking advantage of the
system for personal valuation of their own company at the expense of the
long term and the broader intellectual ecosystem.

ReactionGrid may be doing good things.  And, if they're big enough,
they're not monolithic.  The people doing good things may not be the
ones pushing for patents.  But if ReactionGrid as an entity is filing
patents on doing stuff with OpenSim, then ReactionGrid as an entity is,
unless this is VERY different from nearly every other software or
business method patent out there, at least partially working on becoming
harmful.

-- 
--Rob Knop
  E-mail:rk...@pobox.com
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Marcus Alexander Link]

@Mark Malewski
Starting opensim-dev-discuss...@lists.berlios.de ?

Marcus

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Cristina Videira Lopes
 wrote:
> Again, *please* Kyle and others: do not send any specifics to this list, or
> I'm going to turn moderation on and ban this thread altogether.
> Some of us do not want to be exposed to absolutely anything regarding any
> patents. You're all doing a disservice to the project if you continue this
> thread here.
> STOP.
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Kyle wrote:
>
> Our patent is at the application process.  It is specific to our unique
> methods of using virtualization.  While Mark may use quotes around genius
> referring to us and make claims the US patent system should be abolished the
> fact is we have every right to patent our particular process.
>
> It has nothing to do with Opensim specifically.  If it is approved you will
> be able to review it and send us your feedback.  We are not patenting
> virtualization in regards to virtual worlds we are patenting our specific
> process of developing virtual world templates and deploying them.
>
> We do welcome all feedback.
>
> 
>
> From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de
> [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Mark Malewski
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:21 PM
> To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent
>
> Patents do nothing but get in the way of development and progress.
>
> Personally, I would review any/every patent filed (based on OpenSim) and do
> everything in my means to fight the legality of such "nuisance" patents.
>
>
> If someone wants to "invent" something, then so be it.  But don't try to
> file silly stupid "nuisance" patents just to create headaches for everyone
> else that has been using the same OpenSim-based technology
>
> Software can be copyrighted, but NOT patented.
>
> Attempting to file "business method patents" on Open Source Software is
> nothing but a nuisance for other users of the Open Source Software.  (Who
> may ultimately be "infringing" on a false-claim "invention" made by someone
> else.
>
> Software patents should be abolished, and business method patents should be
> abolished as well.  An invention should be original, and tangible (something
> that can be held, touched, and felt).
>
> Patenting something that is in your head (and claiming that it's "original"
> and no one else ever thought of the idea, is just absurd).
>
> Patents are a slap in the face to the Open Source Community, and filing a
> patent on Open Source Software seems to be the ultimate slap in the face.
>
> The Open Source Community is about working together, developing software,
> sharing ideas (collaborating) and patents interfere with that process.  For
> someone to come along, and file a patent on an original "invention" based on
> community developed Open Source Software is just absurd.
>
> Software patents make it extremely difficult for developers to develop
> software (especially when there is always the threat of expensive patent
> litigation).
>
> Patents reduce innovation, by creating "roadblocks" for others.  The current
> patent system deter innovation, instead of spurring it.
>
> There are individuals out there, that will file patents on anything they can
> think of, irregardless of who actually was the FIRST to do it, and no matter
> WHERE the idea came from, which is the exact opposite of what a patent is
> intended for.
>
> Patents stifle innovation, and false patent claims do nothing but create
> expensive legal roadblocks (and litigation headaches) for the end users of
> OpenSim software.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Shaun Erickson  wrote:
> I run all my OpenSim code on OpenSUSE 11.3 in VMs under VMware ESXi on
> multiple hosts. I certainly hope they aren't trying to patent such an idea
> as virtualizing OpenSim, as I know I would not stop nor would I pay
> royalties.
>
> There must be more to this than it seems on the face of it, that we just
> haven't seen yet, is my guess.
>
> -ste
>
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Mark Malewski  wrote:
>
> Now that's TRULY absurd...
>
> They're claiming to be the FIRST to use virtualization to host OpenSim?
>
> That's absurd.  Every single instance of OpenSim that I have running is
> hosted in either VMWare, VirtualBox, or Hyper-V.  (Depending on the type of
> server, and whether it's Linux or Windows based).
>
> Nothing but hogwash... and false/absurd patent claims.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Marcus A

Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Cristina Videira Lopes]

Again, *please* Kyle and others: do not send any specifics to this  
list, or I'm going to turn moderation on and ban this thread altogether.


Some of us do not want to be exposed to absolutely anything regarding  
any patents. You're all doing a disservice to the project if you  
continue this thread here.


STOP.

On Feb 2, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Kyle wrote:

Our patent is at the application process.  It is specific to our  
unique methods of using virtualization.  While Mark may use quotes  
around genius referring to us and make claims the US patent system  
should be abolished the fact is we have every right to patent our  
particular process.


It has nothing to do with Opensim specifically.  If it is approved  
you will be able to review it and send us your feedback.  We are not  
patenting virtualization in regards to virtual worlds we are  
patenting our specific process of developing virtual world templates  
and deploying them.


We do welcome all feedback.



From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de 
] On Behalf Of Mark Malewski

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 5:21 PM
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

Patents do nothing but get in the way of development and progress.

Personally, I would review any/every patent filed (based on OpenSim)  
and do everything in my means to fight the legality of such  
"nuisance" patents.


If someone wants to "invent" something, then so be it.  But don't  
try to file silly stupid "nuisance" patents just to create headaches  
for everyone else that has been using the same OpenSim-based  
technology


Software can be copyrighted, but NOT patented.

Attempting to file "business method patents" on Open Source Software  
is nothing but a nuisance for other users of the Open Source  
Software.  (Who may ultimately be "infringing" on a false-claim  
"invention" made by someone else.


Software patents should be abolished, and business method patents  
should be abolished as well.  An invention should be original, and  
tangible (something that can be held, touched, and felt).


Patenting something that is in your head (and claiming that it's  
"original" and no one else ever thought of the idea, is just absurd).


Patents are a slap in the face to the Open Source Community, and  
filing a patent on Open Source Software seems to be the ultimate  
slap in the face.


The Open Source Community is about working together, developing  
software, sharing ideas (collaborating) and patents interfere with  
that process.  For someone to come along, and file a patent on an  
original "invention" based on community developed Open Source  
Software is just absurd.


Software patents make it extremely difficult for developers to  
develop software (especially when there is always the threat of  
expensive patent litigation).


Patents reduce innovation, by creating "roadblocks" for others.  The  
current patent system deter innovation, instead of spurring it.


There are individuals out there, that will file patents on anything  
they can think of, irregardless of who actually was the FIRST to do  
it, and no matter WHERE the idea came from, which is the exact  
opposite of what a patent is intended for.


Patents stifle innovation, and false patent claims do nothing but  
create expensive legal roadblocks (and litigation headaches) for the  
end users of OpenSim software.




On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Shaun Erickson  wrote:
I run all my OpenSim code on OpenSUSE 11.3 in VMs under VMware ESXi  
on multiple hosts. I certainly hope they aren't trying to patent  
such an idea as virtualizing OpenSim, as I know I would not stop nor  
would I pay royalties.


There must be more to this than it seems on the face of it, that we  
just haven't seen yet, is my guess.


-ste

On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Mark Malewski   
wrote:


Now that's TRULY absurd...

They're claiming to be the FIRST to use virtualization to host  
OpenSim?


That's absurd.  Every single instance of OpenSim that I have running  
is hosted in either VMWare, VirtualBox, or Hyper-V.  (Depending on  
the type of server, and whether it's Linux or Windows based).


Nothing but hogwash... and false/absurd patent claims.


On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Marcus Alexander Link > wrote:

Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:

http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html

Regards, Marcus

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni > wrote:
> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The  
word Patent

> is not mentioned even once.
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link >

> wrote:
>>
>>

Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mike Chase]

Reading them can also be a really bad idea.  I'd second the request to take
discussion of any patent that may exist off list. It doesn't belong here.

 

Mike

 

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Lopes
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:44 PM
To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de
Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

 

PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO PATENTS ON THIS LIST. 

 

On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:





 

> Seems like Mark is upset lol

 

Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on
OpenSource software, and attempting to claim "inventions" based on
OpenSource software.

 

Just so they can begin suing others that use the software...

 

It's just absurd.

 

Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others
should have to deal with "Reaction Grid" legal nonsense due to some FALSE
patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft,
who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking
Microsoft for "help" because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft
2008 Server, or use Hyper-V.

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa  wrote:

Seems like Mark is upset lol

2011/2/2 Mark Malewski 

 

Does anyone actually have the Patent number?

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski 
wrote:

Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM patent
claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.

 

This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim
that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.

 

Completely absurd...

 

Mark

 

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:

It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
outside the US even if granted.

Melanie


Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
> Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>
>
http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-paten
t.html
>
> Regards, Marcus
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni 
wrote:
>> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
Patent
>> is not mentioned even once.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link

>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>>>
>>>
http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=4000
004150
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Marcus
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Shaun Erickson]

That is, by far, the best post on this topic, yet. :-)

-ste

On Feb 2, 2011, at 5:13 PM, "drWhiet"  wrote:

> Secondlie@Twitter:
> BREAKING NEWS: ReactionGrid Inc. files for it's first US Patent regarding 
> virtual worlds: a genetically-engineered breedable drama llama.
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

Patents do nothing but get in the way of development and progress.

Personally, I would review any/every patent filed (based on OpenSim) and do
everything in my means to fight the legality of such "nuisance" patents.

If someone wants to "invent" something, then so be it.  But don't try to
file silly stupid "nuisance" patents just to create headaches for everyone
else that has been using the same OpenSim-based technology

Software can be copyrighted, but NOT patented.

Attempting to file "business method patents" on Open Source Software is
nothing but a nuisance for other users of the Open Source Software.  (Who
may ultimately be "infringing" on a false-claim "invention" made by someone
else.

Software patents should be abolished, and business method patents should be
abolished as well.  An invention should be original, and tangible (something
that can be held, touched, and felt).

Patenting something that is in your head (and claiming that it's "original"
and no one else ever thought of the idea, is just absurd).

Patents are a slap in the face to the Open Source Community, and filing a
patent on Open Source Software seems to be the ultimate slap in the face.

The Open Source Community is about working together, developing software,
sharing ideas (collaborating) and patents interfere with that process.  For
someone to come along, and file a patent on an original "invention" based on
community developed Open Source Software is just absurd.

Software patents make it extremely difficult for developers to develop
software (especially when there is always the threat of expensive patent
litigation).

Patents reduce innovation, by creating "roadblocks" for others.  The current
patent system deter innovation, instead of spurring it.

There are individuals out there, that will file patents on anything they can
think of, irregardless of who actually was the FIRST to do it, and no matter
WHERE the idea came from, which is the exact opposite of what a patent is
intended for.

Patents stifle innovation, and false patent claims do nothing but create
expensive legal roadblocks (and litigation headaches) for the end users of
OpenSim software.



On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Shaun Erickson  wrote:

> I run all my OpenSim code on OpenSUSE 11.3 in VMs under VMware ESXi on
> multiple hosts. I certainly hope they aren't trying to patent such an idea
> as virtualizing OpenSim, as I know I would not stop nor would I pay
> royalties.
>
> There must be more to this than it seems on the face of it, that we just
> haven't seen yet, is my guess.
>
> -ste
>
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Mark Malewski  wrote:
>
> Now that's TRULY absurd...
>
> They're claiming to be the FIRST to use virtualization to host OpenSim?
>
> That's absurd.  Every single instance of OpenSim that I have running is
> hosted in either VMWare, VirtualBox, or Hyper-V.  (Depending on the type of
> server, and whether it's Linux or Windows based).
>
> Nothing but hogwash... and false/absurd patent claims.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
> manup...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>>
>> 
>> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
>>
>> Regards, Marcus
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
>> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
>> Patent
>> > is not mentioned even once.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
>> manup...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi everyone,
>> >>
>> >> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Marcus
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

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Secondlie@Twitter:
BREAKING NEWS: ReactionGrid Inc. files for it's first US Patent regarding
virtual worlds: a genetically-engineered breedable drama llama.

  _  

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I run all my OpenSim code on OpenSUSE 11.3 in VMs under VMware ESXi on
multiple hosts. I certainly hope they aren't trying to patent such an idea
as virtualizing OpenSim, as I know I would not stop nor would I pay
royalties.

There must be more to this than it seems on the face of it, that we just
haven't seen yet, is my guess.

-ste

On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Mark Malewski  wrote:



Now that's TRULY absurd... 

They're claiming to be the FIRST to use virtualization to host OpenSim?

That's absurd.  Every single instance of OpenSim that I have running is
hosted in either VMWare, VirtualBox, or Hyper-V.  (Depending on the type of
server, and whether it's Linux or Windows based).

Nothing but hogwash... and false/absurd patent claims.


On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
<mailto:manup...@gmail.com> manup...@gmail.com> wrote:


Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:

 
<http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-pate
nt.html>
http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-paten
t.html

Regards, Marcus


On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
<mailto:nebadon2...@gmail.com> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word Patent
> is not mentioned even once.
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
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> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>>
>>
<http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=400
0004150>
http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=4000
004150
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Shaun Erickson]

I run all my OpenSim code on OpenSUSE 11.3 in VMs under VMware ESXi on multiple 
hosts. I certainly hope they aren't trying to patent such an idea as 
virtualizing OpenSim, as I know I would not stop nor would I pay royalties.

There must be more to this than it seems on the face of it, that we just 
haven't seen yet, is my guess.

-ste

On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Mark Malewski  wrote:

> Now that's TRULY absurd...
> 
> They're claiming to be the FIRST to use virtualization to host OpenSim?
> 
> That's absurd.  Every single instance of OpenSim that I have running is 
> hosted in either VMWare, VirtualBox, or Hyper-V.  (Depending on the type of 
> server, and whether it's Linux or Windows based).
> 
> Nothing but hogwash... and false/absurd patent claims.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Marcus Alexander Link  
> wrote:
> Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
> 
> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
> 
> Regards, Marcus
> 
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni  
> wrote:
> > This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word Patent
> > is not mentioned even once.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
> >>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

*> 4. The idea must be original. It cannot be considered to be a law of
nature *
*> or phenomenon and is not to be abstract or unsubstantial.
*
I would hardly believe that using OpenSim as a basis for your "virtual
world" patent (is an ORIGINAL idea), and using server virtualization
(especially Windows Server 2008/Hyper-V) as an "ORIGINAL" idea.

I've never installed OpenSim on a barebones machine, not even once.  Every
instance I have, has been in a virtualized image.  (Either Hyper-V, VMWare,
or VirtualBox).

Virtualizing OpenSim is NOT an original idea.

Please post the patent number, so we can at least read the full patent
claims, and refute any stupid/foolish/ignorant patent claims.

  Mark


On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Fleep Tuque  wrote:

> I think it's pretty inappropriate to claim a patent you haven't even read
> yet is false or to imply that people are stupid just because they are doing
> something you (might) disagree with or can't do what you can do
> technically..
>
> I have quite a lot of respect for the Reaction Grid team and the services
> they are providing to educators and newbies in the opensim space.  There are
> many faculty and teachers whose expertise is in something other than
> managing servers, and they are far from stupid people.
>
> Personally, I'll reserve judgement until I've, you know, read the patent
> application.   You probably should, too.
>
> Respectfully,
>
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> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:
>
>>
>> *> Seems like Mark is upset lol*
>>
>> Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on
>> OpenSource software, and attempting to claim "inventions" based on
>> OpenSource software.
>>
>> Just so they can begin suing others that use the software...
>>
>> It's just absurd.
>>
>> Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others
>> should have to deal with "Reaction Grid" legal nonsense due to some FALSE
>> patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft,
>> who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking
>> Microsoft for "help" because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft
>> 2008 Server, or use Hyper-V.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa  wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like Mark is upset lol
>>>
>>> 2011/2/2 Mark Malewski 
>>>
>>> Does anyone actually have the Patent number?




 On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski 
 wrote:

> Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM
> patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.
>
> This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false
> claim that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.
>
> Completely absurd...
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
>
>> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
>> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
>> outside the US even if granted.
>>
>> Melanie
>>
>> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
>> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>> >
>> >
>> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
>> >
>> > Regards, Marcus
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
>> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
>> Patent
>> >> is not mentioned even once.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
>> manup...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Cristina Videira Lopes]

PLEASE DO NOT POST LINKS TO PATENTS ON THIS LIST.

On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:



> Seems like Mark is upset lol

Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on  
OpenSource software, and attempting to claim "inventions" based on  
OpenSource software.


Just so they can begin suing others that use the software...

It's just absurd.

Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or  
others should have to deal with "Reaction Grid" legal nonsense due  
to some FALSE patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense  
written by Microsoft, who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior  
to two or three fools asking Microsoft for "help" because they're  
too stupid to setup their own Microsoft 2008 Server, or use Hyper-V.





On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa   
wrote:

Seems like Mark is upset lol

2011/2/2 Mark Malewski 

Does anyone actually have the Patent number?




On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski  
 wrote:
Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM  
patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.


This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false  
claim that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.


Completely absurd...

Mark


On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
outside the US even if granted.

Melanie

Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
> Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>
> 
http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
>
> Regards, Marcus
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni > wrote:
>> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The  
word Patent

>> is not mentioned even once.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link >

>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>>>
>>> 
http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>>>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

*> until we actually see the patent filing.*

Agreed, so please ask one of the "geniuses" from Reaction Grid to please
post their patent number, so we can at least take a look at their patent
application, and review their "original" invention claims.

Should be an interesting read...


On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Shaun Erickson  wrote:

> We really can't comment, intelligently, on this until we actually see the
> patent filing. We *think* it's about virtualization because that article is
> tied to this message, but we really don't *know* anything yet.
>
> -ste
>
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Mark Malewski  wrote:
>
>
> *> Seems like Mark is upset lol*
>
> Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on
> OpenSource software, and attempting to claim "inventions" based on
> OpenSource software.
>
> Just so they can begin suing others that use the software...
>
> It's just absurd.
>
> Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others
> should have to deal with "Reaction Grid" legal nonsense due to some FALSE
> patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft,
> who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking
> Microsoft for "help" because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft
> 2008 Server, or use Hyper-V.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa < 
> jo...@foravatars.com> wrote:
>
>> Seems like Mark is upset lol
>>
>> 2011/2/2 Mark Malewski < mark.malew...@gmail.com
>> >
>>
>> Does anyone actually have the Patent number?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski <
>>> mark.malew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM
 patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.

 This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false
 claim that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.

 Completely absurd...

 Mark


 On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie < 
 mela...@t-data.com> wrote:

> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
> outside the US even if granted.
>
> Melanie
>
> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
> >
> >
> 
> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
> >
> > Regards, Marcus
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni 
> > <
> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
> Patent
> >> is not mentioned even once.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link 
> >> <
> manup...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Shaun Erickson]

We really can't comment, intelligently, on this until we actually see the 
patent filing. We *think* it's about virtualization because that article is 
tied to this message, but we really don't *know* anything yet.

-ste

On Feb 2, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Mark Malewski  wrote:

> 
> > Seems like Mark is upset lol
> 
> Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on 
> OpenSource software, and attempting to claim "inventions" based on OpenSource 
> software.
> 
> Just so they can begin suing others that use the software...
> 
> It's just absurd.
> 
> Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others 
> should have to deal with "Reaction Grid" legal nonsense due to some FALSE 
> patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft, who 
> probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking 
> Microsoft for "help" because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft 
> 2008 Server, or use Hyper-V.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa  wrote:
> Seems like Mark is upset lol
> 
> 2011/2/2 Mark Malewski 
> 
> Does anyone actually have the Patent number?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski  wrote:
> Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM patent 
> claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.
> 
> This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim 
> that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.
> 
> Completely absurd...
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
> outside the US even if granted.
> 
> Melanie
> 
> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
> >
> > http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
> >
> > Regards, Marcus
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni  
> > wrote:
> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word Patent
> >> is not mentioned even once.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

Well does anyone have a Patent number so we can at least take a look at this
silly patent application, and begin working to dispute/refute the claims
made in this patent "invention".

I supposed I should file a patent on how to put toast into a toaster.  Seems
like a great "business process" and then I can begin suing people that use
toasters (claiming that I was the FIRST person to come up with the idea of
putting toast into a toaster).

Gotta love silly and ignorant patent claims... please post a patent number.
 It should be an interesting read.

Your patent must be 100% original, and server virtualization of OpenSim is
NOT original.

 Mark

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> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Fleep Tuque  wrote:
>
>> As a point of order, you can't possibly know if the patent is absurd or
>> not until you've seen it.
>>
>> - Chris/Fleep
>>
>>
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>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM
>>> patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.
>>>
>>> This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim
>>> that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.
>>>
>>> Completely absurd...
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
>>>
 It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
 this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
 outside the US even if granted.

 Melanie

 Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
 > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
 >
 >
 http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
 >
 > Regards, Marcus
 >
 > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
 nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
 Patent
 >> is not mentioned even once.
 >>
 >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
 manup...@gmail.com>
 >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Hi everyone,
 >>>
 >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
 >>>
 >>>
 http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
 >>>
 >>> Regards,
 >>> Marcus
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Fleep Tuque]

I think it's pretty inappropriate to claim a patent you haven't even read
yet is false or to imply that people are stupid just because they are doing
something you (might) disagree with or can't do what you can do
technically..

I have quite a lot of respect for the Reaction Grid team and the services
they are providing to educators and newbies in the opensim space.  There are
many faculty and teachers whose expertise is in something other than
managing servers, and they are far from stupid people.

Personally, I'll reserve judgement until I've, you know, read the patent
application.   You probably should, too.

Respectfully,

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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:

>
> *> Seems like Mark is upset lol*
>
> Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on
> OpenSource software, and attempting to claim "inventions" based on
> OpenSource software.
>
> Just so they can begin suing others that use the software...
>
> It's just absurd.
>
> Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others
> should have to deal with "Reaction Grid" legal nonsense due to some FALSE
> patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft,
> who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking
> Microsoft for "help" because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft
> 2008 Server, or use Hyper-V.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa  wrote:
>
>> Seems like Mark is upset lol
>>
>> 2011/2/2 Mark Malewski 
>>
>> Does anyone actually have the Patent number?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM
 patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.

 This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false
 claim that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.

 Completely absurd...

 Mark


 On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:

> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
> outside the US even if granted.
>
> Melanie
>
> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
> >
> >
> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
> >
> > Regards, Marcus
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
> Patent
> >> is not mentioned even once.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
> manup...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Marcus
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Andrew Hughes]

Everyone,

We have no idea what this patent is for yet. So until you know what exactly
it is for we are all making assumptions.

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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Fleep Tuque  wrote:

> As a point of order, you can't possibly know if the patent is absurd or not
> until you've seen it.
>
> - Chris/Fleep
>
>
> Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque)
> Project Manager, UC Second Life
> Second Life Ambassador, Ohio Learning Network
> UCit Instructional & Research Computing
> University of Cincinnati
> 406E Zimmer Hall
> PO Box 210088
> Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
> (513)556-3018 <+15135563018>
> chris.coll...@uc.edu
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:
>
>> Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM patent
>> claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.
>>
>> This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim
>> that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.
>>
>> Completely absurd...
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
>>
>>> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
>>> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
>>> outside the US even if granted.
>>>
>>> Melanie
>>>
>>> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
>>> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
>>> >
>>> > Regards, Marcus
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
>>> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
>>> Patent
>>> >> is not mentioned even once.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
>>> manup...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi everyone,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> Marcus
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>>> >>
>>> >>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

*> Seems like Mark is upset lol*

Just sick and tired of people trying to make FALSE patent claims on
OpenSource software, and attempting to claim "inventions" based on
OpenSource software.

Just so they can begin suing others that use the software...

It's just absurd.

Absolutely no reason why non-profits, educational institutions, or others
should have to deal with "Reaction Grid" legal nonsense due to some FALSE
patent claims (based on ignorant marketing nonsense written by Microsoft,
who probably never even heard of OpenSim prior to two or three fools asking
Microsoft for "help" because they're too stupid to setup their own Microsoft
2008 Server, or use Hyper-V.




On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jor3l Boa  wrote:

> Seems like Mark is upset lol
>
> 2011/2/2 Mark Malewski 
>
> Does anyone actually have the Patent number?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM
>>> patent claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.
>>>
>>> This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim
>>> that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.
>>>
>>> Completely absurd...
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
>>>
 It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
 this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
 outside the US even if granted.

 Melanie

 Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
 > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
 >
 >
 http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
 >
 > Regards, Marcus
 >
 > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
 nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
 Patent
 >> is not mentioned even once.
 >>
 >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
 manup...@gmail.com>
 >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Hi everyone,
 >>>
 >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
 >>>
 >>>
 http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
 >>>
 >>> Regards,
 >>> Marcus
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Drew Hart]

I don't understand the importance of "first" or "invented."  It is my
understanding (though I am NOT a lawyer) that you don't have to be first or
invent something to patent it.  Though the first person(s) or inventors
could probably fight a patent, but that requires expensive attorneys, etc.
And, I wish the U.S. did not allow process patents.  It's like someone could
patent addition/subtraction or something ridiculous.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:

> Does anyone actually have the Patent number?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:
>
>> Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM patent
>> claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.
>>
>> This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim
>> that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.
>>
>> Completely absurd...
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
>>
>>> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
>>> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
>>> outside the US even if granted.
>>>
>>> Melanie
>>>
>>> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
>>> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
>>> >
>>> > Regards, Marcus
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
>>> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
>>> Patent
>>> >> is not mentioned even once.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
>>> manup...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi everyone,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> Marcus
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Fleep Tuque]

As a point of order, you can't possibly know if the patent is absurd or not
until you've seen it.

- Chris/Fleep


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Second Life Ambassador, Ohio Learning Network
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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:

> Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM patent
> claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.
>
> This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim
> that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.
>
> Completely absurd...
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
>
>> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
>> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
>> outside the US even if granted.
>>
>> Melanie
>>
>> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
>> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>> >
>> >
>> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
>> >
>> > Regards, Marcus
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
>> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
>> Patent
>> >> is not mentioned even once.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
>> manup...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Marcus
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Jor3l Boa]

Seems like Mark is upset lol

2011/2/2 Mark Malewski 

> Does anyone actually have the Patent number?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:
>
>> Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM patent
>> claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.
>>
>> This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim
>> that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.
>>
>> Completely absurd...
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
>>
>>> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
>>> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
>>> outside the US even if granted.
>>>
>>> Melanie
>>>
>>> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
>>> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
>>> >
>>> > Regards, Marcus
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
>>> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
>>> Patent
>>> >> is not mentioned even once.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
>>> manup...@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi everyone,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> Marcus
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

Does anyone actually have the Patent number?



On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Mark Malewski wrote:

> Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM patent
> claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.
>
> This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim
> that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.
>
> Completely absurd...
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:
>
>> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
>> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
>> outside the US even if granted.
>>
>> Melanie
>>
>> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
>> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>> >
>> >
>> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
>> >
>> > Regards, Marcus
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni <
>> nebadon2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
>> Patent
>> >> is not mentioned even once.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
>> manup...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>> >>>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

Regardless, it's just another false claim.  Just like the silly IBM patent
claim about using LDAP with OpenSim.

This is just another false patent claim, attempting to make a false claim
that they "invented" using virtualization with OpenSim.

Completely absurd...

Mark

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Melanie  wrote:

> It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
> this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
> outside the US even if granted.
>
> Melanie
>
> Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
> > Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
> >
> >
> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
> >
> > Regards, Marcus
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni 
> wrote:
> >> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
> Patent
> >> is not mentioned even once.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
> manup...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

Now that's TRULY absurd...

They're claiming to be the FIRST to use virtualization to host OpenSim?

That's absurd.  Every single instance of OpenSim that I have running is
hosted in either VMWare, VirtualBox, or Hyper-V.  (Depending on the type of
server, and whether it's Linux or Windows based).

Nothing but hogwash... and false/absurd patent claims.


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> Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
>
>
> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
>
> Regards, Marcus
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni 
> wrote:
> > This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word
> Patent
> > is not mentioned even once.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link <
> manup...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
> >>
> >>
> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
> >>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Melanie]

It really contains no useful information. However, it looks like
this is a "Business method patent" which will not be recognized
outside the US even if granted.

Melanie

Marcus Alexander Link wrote:
> Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:
> 
> http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html
> 
> Regards, Marcus
> 
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni  
> wrote:
>> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word Patent
>> is not mentioned even once.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>>>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

*> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  *
*> The word Patent is not mentioned even once.*

Yeah, I didn't see any mention of any patent either.

Do you have a patent number?



On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni wrote:

> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word Patent
> is not mentioned even once.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Marcus Alexander Link]

Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here ist the correct one:

http://reactiongrid.blogspot.com/2011/02/reactiongrid-inc-files-for-us-patent.html

Regards, Marcus

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Michael Cerquoni  wrote:
> This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word Patent
> is not mentioned even once.
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Mark Malewski]

What exactly is it that they are trying to file a PATENT on?

They're hardly the first company to use Windows 2008 Server, and Hyper-V
(and SQL 2008) for deploying OpenSim.

Seems a bit absurd, and the silly hogwash press release is nothing but
marketing hype from Microsoft (who probably never heard of OpenSim prior to
Reaction Grid asking them for help).

I've been running OpenSim on both Linux and Windows boxes from day one, and
it just seems odd that they are acting as if they were the "first" to use
server virtualization.

So what is this "PATENT" that they are trying to file on?

Do you have a patent number?  Should be interesting to read...



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>
> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>
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Re: [Opensim-dev] ReactionGrid Inc. files for US Patent

[Michael Cerquoni]

This article seems to make no mention of a Patent filing.  The word Patent
is not mentioned even once.

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Marcus Alexander Link wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> just saw this posting. Thx to Pathfinder.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?CaseStudyID=404150
>
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