[osol-discuss] Dumb Question Time

[James G. Stallings II]

Greetings All!

I'm pretty stoked that this is happening, I've been waiting for it for years. 
Hopefully its not too late to make a difference.

All that aside, I'm preparing to evaluate opensolaris on an intel box, and have 
a few goofy questions that I haven't been able to gather from the faq or from 
searching this list:

1. Where's the application/utility software repository? I'd like to browse 
whats working, with an eye toward replacing my existing freebsd installation 
with opensolaris. This means I'd need a minimal desktop, apache, tcl/tk, ruby, 
perl, php, sendmail, mysql, ssh, vnc suite, and samba at minimum; is this an 
unrealistic expectation at present?

2. How much of the intallable application base is in common with gnome? 
essentially, are all gnome apps available on the gnome desktop under 
opensolaris? if not, what are the porting hurdles in very general terms?

3. Aside from the machine partitioning, how's security? Assuming its all 
working, I'll need the sendmail, ssh and apache services to face the web -- am 
I gonna leave my hindparts exposed to the breeze by doing something like this?
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[osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[W. Wayne Liauh]

Robert W. Fuller wrote:

>Nobody was suggesting that Open Solaris go GPL, merely that the license be
>modified to be GPL compatible.

If you can find one (i.e., "GPL compatible"), you really should patent it.  :-)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does thismean? (round 3)

[Shawn Walker]

On 8/19/05, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Shawn Walker wrote:
> > > If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an
> > instant, and I suspect
> > > others would as well. Because at that point, it
> > would become useless
> >
> > Nobody was suggesting that Open Solaris go GPL,
> > merely that the license be
> > modified to be GPL compatible.
> 
> But what would that mean?  Richard has said that "compatible" means 
> derivative works can be licensed under one of the two original licenses. But 
> the GPL says that code combined to produce a binary has to be licensed under 
> the GPL. Therefore, "GPL Compatible" actually means "replaceable with the 
> GPL". The only change that would make a license GPL compatible is one that 
> says the license can be discarded in favour of the GPL.
> 

That is exactly what one of my problems with becoming GPL compatible
is. Because in many cases the code will just end up being relicensed
GPL. I've seen several projects based off BSD code or other code
become this way. Then the people that made the most original
contributions can no longer benefit. It's a shame. I'm not saying the
original contributors expected to receive contributions back, but it's
the principle of the matter.

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[osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does thismean? (round 3)

[Simon Phipps]

> Shawn Walker wrote:
> > If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an
> instant, and I suspect
> > others would as well. Because at that point, it
> would become useless
> 
> Nobody was suggesting that Open Solaris go GPL,
> merely that the license be
> modified to be GPL compatible.

But what would that mean?  Richard has said that "compatible" means derivative 
works can be licensed under one of the two original licenses. But the GPL says 
that code combined to produce a binary has to be licensed under the GPL. 
Therefore, "GPL Compatible" actually means "replaceable with the GPL". The only 
change that would make a license GPL compatible is one that says the license 
can be discarded in favour of the GPL.

S.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Robert W. Fuller]

Shawn Walker wrote:
> If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an instant, and I suspect
> others would as well. Because at that point, it would become useless

Nobody was suggesting that Open Solaris go GPL, merely that the license be
modified to be GPL compatible.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Shawn Walker]

On 8/19/05, Robert W. Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yet, I seem to have missed the forest for the trees I'm inhabiting.  Indeed, 
> the
> cross pollination at the operating system level makes an even stronger case 
> for
> compatibility between the GPL and CDDL licenses.

I don't follow the cross pollination between different projects
argument. If anything, I see a lot of code from *BSDs or other GPL
compatible license projects going to GPL projects and very little
coming back. The GPL cross-pollination argument only holds water in
the sense that GPL projects get to benefit from other people's code
because the license is compatible but those projects cannot likewise
benefit from GPL projects. If you ask me, it's very one-sided benefit.
I think it's a lie to call it cross-pollination. There are always
exceptions of course, but it's relatively rare from what I see.

If opensolaris ever went GPL, I'd be gone in an instant, and I suspect
others would as well. Because at that point, it would become useless
to me. The GPL's inability to co-exist reasonably with commercial
closed software or software under incompatible terms is the greatest
and most unreasonable condition it suffers from.

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[osol-discuss] ksh88 <-> ksh93

[Markus Gyger]

FYI, here is a comment from dgk:

| Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 15:22:39 -0400 (EDT)
| From: David Korn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| 
| I do not know Sun's ARC process, but I have added some comments anyway.
| Let me know if there is anything that I can do to help.
| I get a lot of mail from users complaining that /bin/ksh on Solaris
| is ksh88 (and a broken one at that) rather than ksh93.
| More and more Linux systems are using ksh93 and ksh93 is now
| shipped with MAC/OS.
| 
| My view is that anytime you make a change (even a bug fix) you
| have an incompatible version.  For the majority of users ksh93 is
| upward compatible with ksh88.  Over time, I had eliminated
| some differences whenever possible.  However, there are a few
| changes that affect some scripts.  It would be nice to enumerate and
| priortize any script which runs with ksh88 but not ksh93 and then
| do one of the following:
| 1.	Modify ksh93 to make it work like ksh88 when this will
|	not affect ksh93 scipts.
| 2.	Add a ksh88 mode to ksh93 and use this mode.
| 
| By the way, while ksh93 is open source, I don't think that ksh88 is
| open source.
[...]
| 
| David Korn
| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Robert W. Fuller]

Richard M. Stallman wrote:
> *BSD and Linux don't belong in the same list, because *BSD are
> operating systems.  Linux, however, is just a kernel.  If you're
> thinking of the operating system in which Linux is used, then what
> you've said is an understatement.  That system is not just cooperating
> with our work, it basically *is* our work.  It is a variant of the GNU
> system.  See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for more
> explanation.

Because I principally do kernel programming, I was thinking specifically of the
Linux and BSD kernels.  Many of the kernel hackers contribute code to both
projects even though they reside under different licenses, namely the GPL and
BSD licenses.  I should have been more explicit.

Yet, I seem to have missed the forest for the trees I'm inhabiting.  Indeed, the
cross pollination at the operating system level makes an even stronger case for
compatibility between the GPL and CDDL licenses.

In the GNU/Linux forest, we should all make a conscious effort to refer to the
kernel as Linux and the operating system as GNU/Linux.  I will redouble my
efforts.  Unfortunately, falling into the Linux Vernacular of calling the
operating system merely Linux comes easily in the Linux forest.

Regards,

Rob
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[osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Richard M. Stallman]

1.  Instead of rampantly speculating about what the FSF website means when 
it
says the CDDL and GPL are incompatible, has anybody tried asking the FSF?

We say two licenses are "incompatible" when combining code released
under those two licenses into a single program is legally impossible
because any way of licensing the combination would violate at least
one of the licenses.

2.  Many of us consider GPL/CDDL compatibility a prerequisite for the Open
Solaris project to flourish.

The current license of Solaris is a free software license, which means
it is basically ethical.  But it would be a more useful contribution
to the free software commnuity if it had a GPL-compatible license, and
I wish Sun would make that change.

  Consider the wonderful cross-pollination between
OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, and the vast repertoire of the FSF.

*BSD and Linux don't belong in the same list, because *BSD are
operating systems.  Linux, however, is just a kernel.  If you're
thinking of the operating system in which Linux is used, then what
you've said is an understatement.  That system is not just cooperating
with our work, it basically *is* our work.  It is a variant of the GNU
system.  See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for more
explanation.
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[osol-discuss] [Fwd: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)]

[Robert W. Fuller]

--- Begin Message ---
1.  Instead of rampantly speculating about what the FSF website means when 
it
says the CDDL and GPL are incompatible, has anybody tried asking the FSF?

We say two licenses are "incompatible" when combining code released
under those two licenses into a single program is legally impossible
because any way of licensing the combination would violate at least
one of the licenses.

2.  Many of us consider GPL/CDDL compatibility a prerequisite for the Open
Solaris project to flourish.

The current license of Solaris is a free software license, which means
it is basically ethical.  But it would be a more useful contribution
to the free software commnuity if it had a GPL-compatible license, and
I wish Sun would make that change.

  Consider the wonderful cross-pollination between
OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, and the vast repertoire of the FSF.

*BSD and Linux don't belong in the same list, because *BSD are
operating systems.  Linux, however, is just a kernel.  If you're
thinking of the operating system in which Linux is used, then what
you've said is an understatement.  That system is not just cooperating
with our work, it basically *is* our work.  It is a variant of the GNU
system.  See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html for more
explanation.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Status of 3rd party packages

[Ian Collins]

Schmidt, Nicholas (Contractor) wrote:


Is it possible at this time to install OpenSolaris and use
pkgsrc/portage/pkg-get to get a complete working system. I am working at a
new job and need to learn solaris but miss bleeding edge BSD/Linux. Any help
and answers would be much appreciated

 



Then why don't you install Solaris 10 or Express?  Try walking first...

Ian

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Re: [osol-discuss] Conference Presence

[Teresa Giacomini]

Al Hopper wrote:
> 
> Since we're discussing OpenSolaris I think you should expand the scope of
> this discussion beyond Sun engineers and look at it from the perspective of
> OpenSolaris participation at various conferences.
> 

Absolutely.  I tried to get that idea across in my original note, but
must have failed.  One of my goals in sending this out was to not only
solicit input on which events to participate in for Sun, but to identify
 other OpenSolaris community members that would like to be involved in
conferences and the like.  Couldn't agree more.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Conference Presence

[Teresa Giacomini]

Thanks Richard.  Will do.  Joerg also mentioned CeBIT a while back.
When I checked into it, it seemed to be more of a tradeshow than a
conference.  That is, lots of booths and pods, but not a lot of talks
and BoFs.  Do I have that right?

T

Richard Elling wrote:
> Having worked the Sun @ Supercomm booth several times, I know that we usually
> do have a presence and a booth in the vendor area.  Check with GSO marketing 
> to
> find out what the current status is.  Cebit is very important, too.
>  -- richard
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[osol-discuss] Re: Re: new community for Chinese users

[W. Wayne Liauh]

Sun has recently started a "Student Developer Program" in Taiwan.  Basically, 
it says that (in traditional Chinese, & I am not going to translate it):



 . . . 並在台啟動學生開發者計畫(Student Developer Program)。

名為Java Studio Creator 2 Early 
Access搶先計畫的開發者預覽版本，是昇陽首度在新版軟體產品尚在開發階段便公開發表、提供下載試用的計畫。昇陽大中華區市場總監李永起表示， Java 
Studio Creator 2 Early 
Access搶先計畫的推出，是希望在新版產品完成之前，可以先測試開發者的喜好，並獲得相關的意見回饋，並以此為進一步修繕改進的依據。

昇陽還計畫最快將在今年底發表Java Studio Enterprise 8新版產品的搶先計畫。

Java Studio Creator是專為個人開發者所提供的開發工具，Java Studio 
Enterprise則加入了協同開發功能，主要提供給內部設有開發團隊的企業使用。

學生開發者計畫則捐贈了包括Sun Java Studio Enterprise、Sun Java Studio Mobility、Sun Studio 
10、Solaris 10作業系統，以及Solaris 10訓練服務等。

昇陽台灣區總經理白大新表示，昇陽現有技術主要來自校園的一項實驗計畫，因此希望自校園出發培養出更多開發者。在該計畫下，係以學校為捐贈單位，只要擁有在校學生身份者即可取得相關開發工具的非商業免費使用權


http://taiwan.cnet.com/news/software/0,264574,20100954,00.htm

(Looks like the Chinese fonts are now working, hats off to Derek!)
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[osol-discuss] Status of 3rd party packages

[Schmidt, Nicholas (Contractor)]

Is it possible at this time to install OpenSolaris and use
pkgsrc/portage/pkg-get to get a complete working system. I am working at a
new job and need to learn solaris but miss bleeding edge BSD/Linux. Any help
and answers would be much appreciated

Nick

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[osol-discuss] Re: Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[W. Wayne Liauh]

Jörg (Creator of SchilliX, the first OpenSolaris-based distro outside of Sun) 
wrote:



>As long as there are no ports for typical embedded processors, there is
>no need to advertize this feature.

I was talking about devices drivers for chipsets, video, sound, wireless, 
modems, etc., that are an integral part of any computer.


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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Joerg Schilling]

"W. Wayne Liauh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> CDDL (or more specifically, a code licensed under the CDDL) can be considered 
> as consisting of two portions: the GPL portion and the proprietary portion.  
> If enough manpower (gender neutral) can be mustered to eliminate the need for 
> the proprietary code, then Sun can easily re-license OpenSolaris under GPL.

Do you really believe that the CDDL includes a proprietary portion?

If so, please read the CDDL and try to understand it.

Sun cannot use the GPL for OpenSalaris because the GPL does not 
allow to link OSS code with CS code.

> But doing that would also defeat what I believe as perhaps the best advantage 
> of CDDL, in that it allows hardware manufacturers to have their proprietary 
> driver included in the kernel.  So far, unfortunately, I am not sensing any 
> action to educate hardware makers of this advantage.

As long as there are no ports for typical embedded processors, there is 
no need to advertize this feature.

> Many embedded device makers in Taiwan (though many of their products are made 
> in China) treat the GPL'd Linux as if they were under BSD, or at best, under 
> CDDL (i.e, keeping at least some code proprietary).  Since many of these 
> products are sold in the US, this is a time bomb waiting to be exploded.  
> OTOH, does anyone really believe that the terms of GPL can be enforced in 
> China--the next biggest market for all IP products?


These majority of these products are not sold mainly in China but e.g. in 
Germany. It really helps to go to the court and to forbid to sell the 
hardware in Germany.

Jörg

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[osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[W. Wayne Liauh]

CDDL (or more specifically, a code licensed under the CDDL) can be considered 
as consisting of two portions: the GPL portion and the proprietary portion.  If 
enough manpower (gender neutral) can be mustered to eliminate the need for the 
proprietary code, then Sun can easily re-license OpenSolaris under GPL.

But doing that would also defeat what I believe as perhaps the best advantage 
of CDDL, in that it allows hardware manufacturers to have their proprietary 
driver included in the kernel.  So far, unfortunately, I am not sensing any 
action to educate hardware makers of this advantage.

Many embedded device makers in Taiwan (though many of their products are made 
in China) treat the GPL'd Linux as if they were under BSD, or at best, under 
CDDL (i.e, keeping at least some code proprietary).  Since many of these 
products are sold in the US, this is a time bomb waiting to be exploded.  OTOH, 
does anyone really believe that the terms of GPL can be enforced in China--the 
next biggest market for all IP products?
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Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Joerg Schilling]

Stephen Lau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >>Not all BSD style licenses are compatible with the GPL:  
> >>http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD
> >>
> >>If you read that whole FAQ, you can see that the GPL has problems with a 
> >>lot of licensing systems.  You can also see that there are ways to gain 
> >>compatibility, such as the dual license scheme you mentioned, or by 
> >>ensuring that the GPL code is not linked or dynamically loaded into a 
> >>program with an incompatible license.  You are right though that there 
> >>hasn't been a comprehensive explanation of how the GPL is incompatible 
> >>with the CDDL though.
> > 
> > 
> > It is not possible at all to include GPL code into a BSD project of
> > any BSDl flavor. So it depends on the person who likes to take and the 
> > person
> > who gives.
> > 
> > Jörg
> > 
>
> And the person who sues... ;-)

OK, then I should ad the note that from my understanding, BSD code cannot
even be legally included in GPL projects. The only reason why it is possible 
is that it is tolerated by the copyright holders.

Jörg

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Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Stephen Lau]

Joerg Schilling wrote:

James Lick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Not all BSD style licenses are compatible with the GPL:  
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD


If you read that whole FAQ, you can see that the GPL has problems with a 
lot of licensing systems.  You can also see that there are ways to gain 
compatibility, such as the dual license scheme you mentioned, or by 
ensuring that the GPL code is not linked or dynamically loaded into a 
program with an incompatible license.  You are right though that there 
hasn't been a comprehensive explanation of how the GPL is incompatible 
with the CDDL though.



It is not possible at all to include GPL code into a BSD project of
any BSDl flavor. So it depends on the person who likes to take and the person
who gives.

Jörg



And the person who sues... ;-)

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Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Joerg Schilling]

James Lick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Not all BSD style licenses are compatible with the GPL:  
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD
>
> If you read that whole FAQ, you can see that the GPL has problems with a 
> lot of licensing systems.  You can also see that there are ways to gain 
> compatibility, such as the dual license scheme you mentioned, or by 
> ensuring that the GPL code is not linked or dynamically loaded into a 
> program with an incompatible license.  You are right though that there 
> hasn't been a comprehensive explanation of how the GPL is incompatible 
> with the CDDL though.

It is not possible at all to include GPL code into a BSD project of
any BSDl flavor. So it depends on the person who likes to take and the person
who gives.

Jörg

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[osol-discuss] Re: Conference Presence

[Richard Elling]

Having worked the Sun @ Supercomm booth several times, I know that we usually
do have a presence and a booth in the vendor area.  Check with GSO marketing to
find out what the current status is.  Cebit is very important, too.
 -- richard
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Andy Tucker]

On 8/19/05, W. Wayne Liauh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> James Lick -- 黎建溥 wrote
> >You are right though that there
> >hasn't been a comprehensive explanation of how the GPL is incompatible
> >with the CDDL though.
> 
> Since CDDL is based on MPL, some of the incompatibilities are explained in 
> Larry Rosen's book: "Open Source Licensing", Prentice Hall, 2004

Now available online:
http://www.rosenlaw.com/oslbook.htm

The "License Compatibility for Derivative Works" section of Chapter 10
is probably the most relevant..

Andy
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Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[Jasse Jansson]

On Aug 19, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Robert W. Fuller wrote:

Alright, I wonder about this myself as well.  I read through all  
the threads
discussing this issue at http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/forum.jspa? 
forumID=13.

   I feel compelled to make a few comments and suggestions:

1.  Instead of rampantly speculating about what the FSF website  
means when it
says the CDDL and GPL are incompatible, has anybody tried asking  
the FSF?


2.  Many of us consider GPL/CDDL compatibility a prerequisite for  
the Open
Solaris project to flourish.  Consider the wonderful cross- 
pollination between
OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, and the vast repertoire of the  
FSF.  The
compatibility between the BSD and GPL licenses permits and  
encourages this.
Alan Cox and others simultaneously contribute code to projects  
under both

licenses without worrying about the consequences.


There is one Alan Cox that developes stuff for Linux,
and another Alan Cox that developes for BSD.
Two different persons.

3.  The hostility toward the GPL in the threads here made me  
seriously consider
whether I want to continue any involvement in the Open Solaris  
project.
Already, the Nevada builds leverage a not insubstantial amount of  
GPL'd and FSF

software.

Sun should be nurturing a cooperative and mutually beneficial  
relationship with
the FSF.  If they have not been doing this from the beginning, Sun  
should be

extending an olive branch.
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[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris community activity - some volumes

[patrick finch]

All,

For those interested, some measurements of the last 2 months' activity
on OpenSolaris.org.

Weeks are defined as follows (Opening Day was a Tuesday, hence weeks run
Tuesday-Monday!)

WeekStart-End
1   06/14/05-06/20/05
2   06/21/05-06/27/05
3   06/28/05-07/04/05
4   07/05/05-07/11/05
5   07/12/05-07/18/05
6   07/19/05-07/25/05
7   07/26/05-08/01/05
8   08/02/05-08/08/05
9   08/09/05-08/15/05


OpenSolaris.org page views  
--  
WeekPage Views  Cumulative  
1   1,048,077   1,048,077   
2   227,411 1,275,488   
3   147,137 1,422,625   
4   140,316 1,562,941   
5   135,933 1,698,874   
6   135,601 1,834,475   
7   143,687 1,978,162   
8   127,403 2,105,565   
9   119,030 2,224,595   

(Now over 2 and a quarter million page views)


Non-Sun registrations to OpenSolaris.org

WeekRegistrations   Cum.
1   5,423   5,423   
2   469 5,892   
3   184 6,076   
4   150 6,226   
5   122 6,348   
6   111 6,459   
7   214 6,673   
8   107 6,780   
9   100 6,880   

(8,357 total registered users, 964 are Sun employees, 7,393 are external
to Sun, 1,477 users registered before opening)


New postings to discussion groups
-
WeekPostingsCum.
1   1,145   1,145   
2   674 1,819   
3   520 2,339   
4   494 2,833   
5   756 3,589   
6   511 4,100   
7   491 4,591   
8   444 5,035   
9   476 5,511   


OpenSolaris blogs   
-   
WeekEntries Cum.Bloggers
1   324 324 150
2   140 464 40
3   99  563 37
4   86  649 29
5   85  734 37
6   84  818 31
7   99  917 36
8   114 1,031   41
9   73  1,104   38


Google.com results for “OpenSolaris”

WeekResults 
1   1,400,000   
2   1,600,000   
3   978,000 
4   872,000 
5   855,000 
6   817,000 
7   804,000 
8   1,140,000   
9   779,000 

(Results pre-launch: 69,000)


Top referring domains to OpenSolaris.org

Domain  Traffic
google (all domains)31.50%
slashdot.org9.30%
osnews.com  4.70%
yahoo.com   3.20%
distrowatch.com 2.40%
com.com (CNet)  2.30%
heise.de2.00%
berlios.de  1.80%
barrapunto.com  1.70%
kde.org 0.90%

(NB.nearly 40% of visits are bookmarked/typed URLs, so the above
represents 60% of visitors)


Site visitors by country
---
Country Visitors
United States   33.20%
Germany 6.40%
Japan   5.80%
United Kingdom  5.30%
Canada  4.00%
France  2.80%
India   2.80%
Italy   2.60%
Australia   2.40%
Spain   2.40%
China   2.20%
Brazil  2.00%
Poland  2.00%
Netherlands 2.00%
Russian Federation  1.70%
Sweden  1.50%
Finland 0.90%
Switzerland 0.90%
Korea - South   0.90%
Czech Republic  0.90%


Apologies for the non-technical nature of this posting.  I shall post
this to the marketing community and in future primarily post figures there.

regards

Patrick

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Re: [osol-discuss] Conference Presence

[Al Hopper]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Teresa Giacomini wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm working on a plan for participation by Sun engineers at various
> conferences in the coming months.  Here is a list of conferences at
> which we *hope* to have an (Open)Solaris presence (now through June
> 2006).  What do you think?  Are we missing any critical ones?  Are there

Do you think that the CAB should also have a presence at some/all of these
events?  How important is it to the community to have face-2-face access to
the CAB?  What would constitute a CAB presence?  [Obviously having the
entire CAB present would not be very practical.]

What about a CAB BoF to give the community an opportunity to ask questions
etc?

Since we're discussing OpenSolaris I think you should expand the scope of
this discussion beyond Sun engineers and look at it from the perspective of
OpenSolaris participation at various conferences.

> some that don't seem worthwhile to you?  Are there any you plan to
> attend that you'd like to tell us about?
>
> We aren't exactly sure what our presence will be at each event
> yet...anywhere from a BoF, to a talk, to a keynote, to a full blown
> sponsorship.  We'd really like to have non-Sun OpenSolaris community
> members at most of the events along with Sun OpenSolaris community
> members.  Any volunteers?
>
> I'd love your input and guidance,
> T
>
> *September 2005*
>
> Java China13-14   Beijing + several
>   additional cities
>
> *October 2005*
>
> LinuxWorld UK 5- 6London, England
> ACM SOSP  23-26   Brighton, England
> AUUG 2005 19-21   Sydney, Australia
> EuroOSCON 17-20   Amsterdam, Netherlands
> Colorado Software Summit  23-28   Keystone, CO, US
>
> *November 2005*
>
> OSBC   1- 2   Newton, MA, USA
> LinuxWorld15-17   Frankfurt, Germany
> FOSS India29-Dec 1Bangalore, India
>
> *December 2005*
>
> LISA   4- 9   San Diego, CA, USA
> ApacheCon 10-14   San Diego, CA, USA
> Open Source in Government 13-14   St Paul, MN, USA
> Usenix - FAST 14-16   San Francisco, CA, USA
>
> *January 2006*
>
> TPOSSCON   9-13   Honolulu, HI, USA
>
> *February 2006*
>
> LinuxAsia  TBDTBD
>
> *March 2006*
>
> O'Reilly Emerging Technology   6- 9   San Diego, CA, USA
> ERC6- 9   Location TBD
>
> *April 2006*
>
> LinuxWorld 3- 6   Boston, MA, USA
> OSBC   TBDWest Coast, USA
>
> *May 2006*
>
> SANE  15-19   Delft, Netherlands
> GUADEC28-30   Barcelona, Spain
> FISL  TBD Brazil
>
> *June 2006*
>
> JavaOne
> LinuxTag
>
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[osol-discuss] Re: console driver for Permedia3 graphics card

[Stefan Reinauer]

Hi Indro,

You need to tokenize your fcode to bytecode, using an fcode tokenizer such as 
"Toke" - http://www.openbios.org/development/toke.html

Toke allows you to create a flash rom image that can be burned using the 
vendors' flash update tool or other firmware flashers. There is some module in 
Linux' MTD drivers that allows updating PCI option rom flashes as well, iirc..

Stefan
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[osol-discuss] Re: RE: Re: openboot/openfirmware screenshots

[Justin Cormack]

I took a couple in

http://specialbusservice.com/openboot/

I could probably take some better ones when move the machine to the new office 
where there is a better camera, in a few weeks.

I was also thinking of porting the openfirmware support to x86 though (as I 
want to try running OpenSolaris on Openbios (www.openbios.org) so I can run it 
on Linuxbios (www.linuxbios.org). So might be able to get a screen shot under 
emulation...
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

[Tao Chen]

On 8/19/05, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Beijing users group:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/bjosug/
Ouch, missed that. The user group community is here:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/Also, the Chinese Users Community is being set up now. Siyuan Tian isleading it and will have content very shortly. It will be listed on thecommunities page here: 
http://opensolaris.org/os/communities/Jim
 Thanks Jim!
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

[Jim Grisanzio]

Tao Chen wrote:
> 
> On 8/19/05, *W. Wayne Liauh* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> Looks like this issue is dead, RIP? ? ?  No one cares to continue? ? ?
> 
> 
> I would like to see some local OpenSolaris user groups in Beijing, 
> Shanghai, etc.
> I am a little disappointed this hasn't happened (at least not announced) 
> yet,
> given that fact that Sun has a big center in Beijing and supposedly many 
> interesting work
> is being done over there, according to some blogs.
> 

Beijing users group:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/bjosug/

The user group community is here:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/

Also, the Chinese Users Community is being set up now. Siyuan Tian is
leading it and will have content very shortly. It will be listed on the
communities page here: http://opensolaris.org/os/communities/

Jim
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[osol-discuss] Re: GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[W. Wayne Liauh]

James Lick -- 黎建溥 wrote

>You are right though that there
>hasn't been a comprehensive explanation of how the GPL is incompatible
>with the CDDL though.

Since CDDL is based on MPL, some of the incompatibilities are explained in 
Larry Rosen's book: "Open Source Licensing", Prentice Hall, 2004
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Re: [osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

[Tao Chen]

On 8/19/05, W. Wayne Liauh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Looks like this issue is dead, RIP? ? ?  No one cares to continue? ? ?
I would like to see some local OpenSolaris user groups in Beijing, Shanghai, etc.
I am a little disappointed this hasn't happened (at least not announced) yet,
given that fact that Sun has a big center in Beijing and supposedly many interesting work
is being done over there, according to some blogs.

If you want to influence Chinese EDU, nothing is more effective than setting 
up user groups in one those major universities, like
pku.edu.cn , tsinghua.edu.cn, fudan.edu.cn, sjtu.edu.cn etc.
, or even Solaris courses.

Lots of talents there for sure, e.g.
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/07/1437242&tid=156&tid=146&tid=14

I would also assume people in China like to use mail-list/webforums based on local servers,
which means faster access time ( the Internet bandwidth between US and China are
still lacking given the huge amount of users on both sides) and native langurage interface.

If you search for "Solaris 论坛" on google or baidu, you will find quite a few places
(may not be Solaris specific, but Unix in general), like this one seems to be
very active and interesting:

http://bbs.chinaunix.net/forum/html/g/6/1.html

The 3rd post (sticky) is called "Solaris BBS Friends Big-Union" ( my translation sucks, I know),
there're 795 signitures (including contact information! Sun sales/marketing: take notes!) since  2003-11-04.


If you come to OpenSolaris.org for general techincal discussions/questions, you would rather 
go directly to the relevant list, such as dtrace-discuss, wouldn't you?

This is not meant to be negative to the idea, if you do setup a community here,
I will definitly subscribe to the list and join the discussion.

Tao
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[osol-discuss] Re: Really simple docs for Solaris 10 Installation .. in progress ...

[Magnus Forsberg]

Here is very nice guide to installation of OpenSolaris (Solaris Express / BFU):

http://portal.fsn.hu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9065&mode=nested&order=0&thold=0
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[osol-discuss] Re: Really simple docs for Solaris 10 Installation .. in progress ...

[W. Wayne Liauh]

Dennis Clarke wrote:

>There seems to be a crying need out there for really dead simple
>docs on how to install Solaris 10 as well as Solaris Express. Thus I
>have begun :

> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/sol10/book.html

>This is a work in progress and I will work on this night and day
>to get a lot of pictures and step by step pages in place to help
>people. Also note that this is just some Athlon based box that I had
>laying about and it runs everything just fine. The disk config is
>weird but works fine.

Just remembered that OSDir.com has a set of screenshots (95 in all) showing a 
step-by-step instruction of how to install Solaris 10 (& play with):

  http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=279&slide=3

If you are a Solaris newbie, my (painful) experience is, make sure that you 
know what each and every slide means before braving yourself into the Solaris 
installation.

For example, even if you are installing on a stand-alone machine, if you are 
using a cable modem or DSL to connect to the internet, make sure that you 
select the "Networked" option when asked about "the network option for your 
system" (see slide 8).  Otherwise, you will never ever be able to go on-line.  
(Because almost everyone here will think you are such an idiot--my own 
experience--no one really knows where to start to answer your question.)

Personally, I would appreciate our demigods at blastware.org could kindly 
provide screenshots to guide the way as to how to access this supposedly 
wonderful service.  I know it should be very obvious, and there are HOWTOs 
which are clearly self-explanatory.  But there are a bunch of us with way below 
average IQ who don't even know where and how to ask meaningful questions.
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Re: [osol-discuss] GPL & CDDL - incompatibitile., what does this mean? (round 3)

[James Lick]

Robert W. Fuller wrote:


2.  Many of us consider GPL/CDDL compatibility a prerequisite for the Open
Solaris project to flourish.  Consider the wonderful cross-pollination between
OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, and the vast repertoire of the FSF.  The
compatibility between the BSD and GPL licenses permits and encourages this.
Alan Cox and others simultaneously contribute code to projects under both
licenses without worrying about the consequences.
 



Not all BSD style licenses are compatible with the GPL:  
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD


If you read that whole FAQ, you can see that the GPL has problems with a 
lot of licensing systems.  You can also see that there are ways to gain 
compatibility, such as the dual license scheme you mentioned, or by 
ensuring that the GPL code is not linked or dynamically loaded into a 
program with an incompatible license.  You are right though that there 
hasn't been a comprehensive explanation of how the GPL is incompatible 
with the CDDL though.


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