Re: [osol-discuss] Open Sound System - Dev Mazumdar

2007-07-17 Thread Dev Mazumdar
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:

> >Using the OpenSound driver:
> >
> >bash-3.00$ /usr/bin/ossinfo
> >Version info: OSS 4.0 (build 1004/200707062145)
> (0x00040002)
> >Platform: SunOS/i86pc 5.11 opensol-20070709
> >
> >Number of audio devices:3
> >Number of audio engines:7
> >Number of MIDI devices: 0
> >Number of mixer devices:1
> >
> >
> >Device objects
> > 0: oss0 OSS core services
> > 1: ossusb0 USB audio/MIDI device
> > 2: vmix0 OSS transparent virtual support
> > 3: sadasupport0 SADA compatibility layer
> > 4: hdaudio0 Intel HD Audio
> >
> >MIDI devices (/dev/midi*)
> >
> >Mixer devices (/dev/mixer*)
> > 0: Intel HD Audio SmartAMC HD2 (Mixer 0 of device
> object 4)
> >
> >Audio devices
> >/dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcm0  Intel HD Audio pcm output
>  (device index 0)
> /dev/oss/hdaudio0/spdout0   Intel HD Audio
> spdifout output  (device
> >index 1)
> >/dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcmin0Intel HD Audio rec
> input  (device index
> >2)
> >bash-3.00$ 


Hi,

I have exactly the same laptop with the Conexant smart AMC HD2 HDcodec chip.
The way you get recording working is:

speaker = pcm
black1 = pcm
pink1 = pcm
pink2 = line1
lineout = line-in
record src = pink2


Now use ossrecord -s48000 -b16 -c2 test.wav to record your voice and you should 
see activity on the VMIX-In VU meters.

We are trying to come up with a unified HD audio mixer panel - unforutnately 
simply following the spec results in a complete mess. 


Intel/Microsoft engineers who were responsible for foisting this HDAudio 
monstrosity on the PC world should be hunted down and brought to justice for 
crimes against humanity.



best regards
dev
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] build 67 and bundled postgres

2007-07-17 Thread Doug Scott
> Hi,
> 
> I've tried to use latest snv67 build with bundled
> postgres 8.2.4 database and got the following error
> when trying to connect to it with psql (initdb goes
> fine):
> 
> $ psql postgres
> LOG:  setsockopt(TCP_NODELAY) failed: Option not
> supported by protocol
> psql: server closed the connection unexpectedly
> This probably means the server terminated
>  abnormally
>before or while processing the request.
> deas ? It used to work fine with earlier builds.
> 
> /Mareks

Hey,
   I have seen the problem too. I got around it by specifying the host rather 
then letting is use localhost. i.e. psql -h  postgres

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Re: [osol-discuss] List of OpenSolaris variant ... Re: Menhir a distro for OpenSolaris plus Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD

2007-07-17 Thread Eko Budhi Suprasetiawan
Do you MEAN that OpenSolaris distro only thats short list ?

Cheers,

On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 10:38, Venky wrote:
> > is there a site, which positioned for exposure of all distros being
> > developed based on OpenSolaris ?
> > So we can have list of them, like Belenix, Menhir etc ...
> 
> Something like this?
> http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/
> 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Open Sound System - Dev Mazumdar

2007-07-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 10:45 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 22:45 +0800, Freeman Liu wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> >>
> >>
> Hi Joe,
> 
> I have spoken with Sanjay Pandit and he told me about BOSUG and I would 
> be very honored and happy to talk about audio and Open Sound with the 
> BOSUG. Kindly email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss the agenda and 
> dates. 
> 
> 
> 
> >>>Is there an eta on when OpenSound is going to merge with Solaris? right
> >>>now I can't record anything on my Solaris machine - the microphone
> >>>(internal) isn't picking up anything - I assume it has to do with the
> >>>lack of integration between GNOME and OpenSound.
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>By what kind of audio record software ? audiorecord, or 
> >>/usr/dt/bin/sdtaudio ? Both should work.
> >>Make sure you set the volume/gain correctly.
> >>
> >>By the way, what kind of driver are you using ? OSS driver or sada
> >>driver
> >>
> >>
> >Using the GNOME 'Sound Recorder'
> >
> >Using the OpenSound driver:
> >
> >bash-3.00$ /usr/bin/ossinfo
> >Version info: OSS 4.0 (build 1004/200707062145) (0x00040002)
> >Platform: SunOS/i86pc 5.11 opensol-20070709
> >
> >Number of audio devices:3
> >Number of audio engines:7
> >Number of MIDI devices: 0
> >Number of mixer devices:1
> >
> >
> >Device objects
> > 0: oss0 OSS core services
> > 1: ossusb0 USB audio/MIDI device
> > 2: vmix0 OSS transparent virtual support
> > 3: sadasupport0 SADA compatibility layer
> > 4: hdaudio0 Intel HD Audio
> >
> >MIDI devices (/dev/midi*)
> >
> >Mixer devices (/dev/mixer*)
> > 0: Intel HD Audio SmartAMC HD2 (Mixer 0 of device object 4)
> >
> >Audio devices
> >/dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcm0  Intel HD Audio pcm output  (device index 0)
> >/dev/oss/hdaudio0/spdout0   Intel HD Audio spdifout output  (device
> >index 1)
> >/dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcmin0Intel HD Audio rec input  (device index
> >2)
> >bash-3.00$ 
> >
> >I tried it just then, doesn't work - the sound recorder can't save the
> >file, when played there is just silence, when I try to adjust the volume
> >using the GNOME audio control applet in the task bar it fails to adjust
> >the volume thus I am forced to use the ossxmixer to properly adjust it. 
> >
> >Inside the ossxmixer it has a mixed array of connector (pink2? lineout?)
> >that make little or no sense what so ever.
> >
> >  
> >
> oss ich driver + /usr/dt/bin/sdtaudio or gnome-sound-record works for 
> me. And sdtaudio produces
> better quality. You can try it by yourself.
> 
> Here is the trick. The audio applications you used is on SADA interface, 
> one that different from OSS
> interface. But OSS does provide a simulation of SADA interface, which 
> means you have to set both
> ossxmier and gnome-volume-control correctly. If you are using a mic, 
> make sure mic is checked in
> both ossxmixer and gnome-volume-control, and the one in the later is not 
> crossed/muted.

Thats all very nice - but define 'correctly' - gain and monitor as ok in
gnome, but the ossxmixer confusing as heck; nothing clearly labelled.

Here is the screenshot:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/kaiwai/Screenshot.png

Its more confusing than a Chinese take-away menu.

Matthew

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Re: [osol-discuss] List of OpenSolaris variant ... Re: Menhir a distro for OpenSolaris plus Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD

2007-07-17 Thread Venky
> is there a site, which positioned for exposure of all distros being
> developed based on OpenSolaris ?
> So we can have list of them, like Belenix, Menhir etc ...

Something like this?
http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/

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Re: [osol-discuss] Open Sound System - Dev Mazumdar

2007-07-17 Thread Freeman . Liu
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:

>On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 22:45 +0800, Freeman Liu wrote:
>  
>
>>Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>
>>
Hi Joe,

I have spoken with Sanjay Pandit and he told me about BOSUG and I would be 
very honored and happy to talk about audio and Open Sound with the BOSUG. 
Kindly email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss the agenda and dates. 



>>>Is there an eta on when OpenSound is going to merge with Solaris? right
>>>now I can't record anything on my Solaris machine - the microphone
>>>(internal) isn't picking up anything - I assume it has to do with the
>>>lack of integration between GNOME and OpenSound.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>By what kind of audio record software ? audiorecord, or 
>>/usr/dt/bin/sdtaudio ? Both should work.
>>Make sure you set the volume/gain correctly.
>>
>>By the way, what kind of driver are you using ? OSS driver or sada
>>driver
>>
>>
>Using the GNOME 'Sound Recorder'
>
>Using the OpenSound driver:
>
>bash-3.00$ /usr/bin/ossinfo
>Version info: OSS 4.0 (build 1004/200707062145) (0x00040002)
>Platform: SunOS/i86pc 5.11 opensol-20070709
>
>Number of audio devices:3
>Number of audio engines:7
>Number of MIDI devices: 0
>Number of mixer devices:1
>
>
>Device objects
> 0: oss0 OSS core services
> 1: ossusb0 USB audio/MIDI device
> 2: vmix0 OSS transparent virtual support
> 3: sadasupport0 SADA compatibility layer
> 4: hdaudio0 Intel HD Audio
>
>MIDI devices (/dev/midi*)
>
>Mixer devices (/dev/mixer*)
> 0: Intel HD Audio SmartAMC HD2 (Mixer 0 of device object 4)
>
>Audio devices
>/dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcm0  Intel HD Audio pcm output  (device index 0)
>/dev/oss/hdaudio0/spdout0   Intel HD Audio spdifout output  (device
>index 1)
>/dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcmin0Intel HD Audio rec input  (device index
>2)
>bash-3.00$ 
>
>I tried it just then, doesn't work - the sound recorder can't save the
>file, when played there is just silence, when I try to adjust the volume
>using the GNOME audio control applet in the task bar it fails to adjust
>the volume thus I am forced to use the ossxmixer to properly adjust it. 
>
>Inside the ossxmixer it has a mixed array of connector (pink2? lineout?)
>that make little or no sense what so ever.
>
>  
>
oss ich driver + /usr/dt/bin/sdtaudio or gnome-sound-record works for 
me. And sdtaudio produces
better quality. You can try it by yourself.

Here is the trick. The audio applications you used is on SADA interface, 
one that different from OSS
interface. But OSS does provide a simulation of SADA interface, which 
means you have to set both
ossxmier and gnome-volume-control correctly. If you are using a mic, 
make sure mic is checked in
both ossxmixer and gnome-volume-control, and the one in the later is not 
crossed/muted.
And play some samples and make sure the playback works well.

Cheers
 --Freeman

>Matthew
>
>  
>

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Re: [osol-discuss] Portable UPnP SDK : build success

2007-07-17 Thread A murillo
Thank so much Doug,
I have all my music media inside a sparc machine and it will be nice to have a 
good media server to serve it.
Thanks again, and looking forward to be able to get it soon...
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Open Sound System - Dev Mazumdar

2007-07-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 22:45 +0800, Freeman Liu wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> >> Hi Joe,
> >>
> >> I have spoken with Sanjay Pandit and he told me about BOSUG and I would be 
> >> very honored and happy to talk about audio and Open Sound with the BOSUG. 
> >> Kindly email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss the agenda and dates. 
> >> 
> >
> > Is there an eta on when OpenSound is going to merge with Solaris? right
> > now I can't record anything on my Solaris machine - the microphone
> > (internal) isn't picking up anything - I assume it has to do with the
> > lack of integration between GNOME and OpenSound.
> >   
> By what kind of audio record software ? audiorecord, or 
> /usr/dt/bin/sdtaudio ? Both should work.
> Make sure you set the volume/gain correctly.
> 
> By the way, what kind of driver are you using ? OSS driver or sada
> driver
Using the GNOME 'Sound Recorder'

Using the OpenSound driver:

bash-3.00$ /usr/bin/ossinfo
Version info: OSS 4.0 (build 1004/200707062145) (0x00040002)
Platform: SunOS/i86pc 5.11 opensol-20070709

Number of audio devices:3
Number of audio engines:7
Number of MIDI devices: 0
Number of mixer devices:1


Device objects
 0: oss0 OSS core services
 1: ossusb0 USB audio/MIDI device
 2: vmix0 OSS transparent virtual support
 3: sadasupport0 SADA compatibility layer
 4: hdaudio0 Intel HD Audio

MIDI devices (/dev/midi*)

Mixer devices (/dev/mixer*)
 0: Intel HD Audio SmartAMC HD2 (Mixer 0 of device object 4)

Audio devices
/dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcm0  Intel HD Audio pcm output  (device index 0)
/dev/oss/hdaudio0/spdout0   Intel HD Audio spdifout output  (device
index 1)
/dev/oss/hdaudio0/pcmin0Intel HD Audio rec input  (device index
2)
bash-3.00$ 

I tried it just then, doesn't work - the sound recorder can't save the
file, when played there is just silence, when I try to adjust the volume
using the GNOME audio control applet in the task bar it fails to adjust
the volume thus I am forced to use the ossxmixer to properly adjust it. 

Inside the ossxmixer it has a mixed array of connector (pink2? lineout?)
that make little or no sense what so ever.

Matthew

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Re: [osol-discuss] swat

2007-07-17 Thread Bruce Shaw
lisez cet article http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5106458 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:56 PM
To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Subject: [osol-discuss] swat

Bnjour ,

j'ai un probléme de swat,
le service swat n'existe pas
voilà le message que j'obtien 

Le modèle 'svc:/network/swat/tcp:default' ne correspond à aucune instance

merci pour vos aides
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] What is the package managemnet software on solaris?

2007-07-17 Thread David Lloyd

Hmmm...

> apt-get merely sits ontop of debian packages - nothing stopping anyone
> (or you for that matter) to implement apt-get for SVR5 pkg's.

NexentaOS already has...

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[osol-discuss] swat

2007-07-17 Thread tarik
Bnjour ,

j'ai un probléme de swat,
le service swat n'existe pas
voilà le message que j'obtien 

Le modèle 'svc:/network/swat/tcp:default' ne correspond à aucune instance

merci pour vos aides
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] FlashPlayer 9 on SXDE on Laptop...It's Been a Long Time Coming!

2007-07-17 Thread Eric Saxe
Dick Davies wrote:
> On 17/07/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> The new power management in B70 should also make it a nice platform for
>> university - I like sitting in the cafe doing some study without seeing
>> my battery drop like a rock.
>> 
>
> That's interesting - is that the 'frkit/power management' packages
> ( from  http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/ )
> or something else?
>   
See:
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2007071601/
and:
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/tesla-dev/2007-July/92.html

Thanks,
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Re: [osol-discuss] lex & flex

2007-07-17 Thread James Carlson
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Re: [osol-discuss] lex & flex

2007-07-17 Thread Frank Hofmann

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, ÌÕœÝ Tao Jie wrote:


Dear all:

There're two lexical analyzer generator in Solaris/OpenSolaris
/usr/ccs/bin/lex
/usr/sfw/bin/flex

What's the difference between these 2 tools? Are they replaceable?


http://flex.sourceforge.net/manual/Lex-and-Posix.html#Lex-and-Posix



Thanks in advance.

p.s. And what about yacc and bison?


Bison's manual claims that 'bison -y' accepts yacc input, and bison were 
'upward compatible' with yacc. That means parsers written for yacc can be 
instantiated with bison. The reverse may or may not be true - depending on 
whether bison features have been used that yacc doesn't have.
Although the bison manual isn't very clear on where exactly the 
differences are, i.e. what bison constructs might need to be avoided.


FrankH.




Regards
TJ

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[osol-discuss] lex & flex

2007-07-17 Thread 陶捷 Tao Jie

Dear all:

There're two lexical analyzer generator in Solaris/OpenSolaris
/usr/ccs/bin/lex
/usr/sfw/bin/flex

What's the difference between these 2 tools? Are they replaceable?

Thanks in advance.

p.s. And what about yacc and bison?


Regards
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Re: [osol-discuss] Mounting NTFS troublesome?

2007-07-17 Thread Orvar Korvar
Ok, thanx for sorting that out! I think I will use mucommander as it seems to 
work, it seems to catch all files and not only a subset, as bash or midnight 
commander does.

Thanx a lot for your help guys!

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Re: [osol-discuss] Menhir a distro for OpenSolaris plus Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD

2007-07-17 Thread Gueven Bay
I want to make here a note which is somewhat off-topic but on the other side 
not:

As I posted my "press release" about Menhir I think you read already this point:
* A collection of kernel configuration files for desktops, laptops and servers. 
You get insight in the structure and building of the kernel if you configure 
and compile your own for your hardware. So at the website of Menhir we will 
collect configuration files for the hardware of the big hardware vendors.

The important thing for the people here is that I am collecting kernel 
configuration files for the Hardware from the  !! HCL for Solaris Express 
Developer Edition !! 

So imagine that I am getting successful with this sub-project of Menhir. Then 
there will 
be kernels (or better the config files) for *BSD, Slackware for all the HW 
which is guarateed to run OpenSolaris. 

Such a project was never started. 

So, please, could you do two things for me:

1) Look into the HCL and if you run a HW from there (for example a Desktop or a 
Server)
on Linux or FreeBSD or NetBSD , please, make a kernel and post me the config 
file.

For this you can read my blog post:
http://chambers-of-unix.blogspot.com/2007/07/kernel-configuration-collection.html
I have described this project there.

2) Spread the word about this little project if you know people who run a HW 
which is on the HCL.

That's it. Thanks in advance for all help.


best regards
Gueven

PS: I am making an exeption here and CC the Indiana project as they are trying 
to push OpenSolaris' popularity. I think this little project is helping to push 
the popularity further if you can say "look, the HW which runs OpSol also runs 
the BSDs and Linux".

PPS : Sorry, for the disturbance.
 
 
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[osol-discuss] dladm, aggr1, net-physical error 96 and reboot

2007-07-17 Thread Jeffery Malloch
Hi Folks,

I have seen a number of issues with configuring networking and getting the 
dreaded error 96...  Mine appears to be a bit different.  From the default.log 
of net-physical ifconfig is getting an invalid argument from aggr1 like aggr1 
is no longer configed after a reboot (it's a V240).  But if I login via the sc 
card and configure like this everything works fine:

dladm delete-aggr1 1
dladm create-aggr -d bge0 -d bge1 -d bge2 -d bge3 1
ifconfig aggr1 plumb
ifconfig aggr1  netmask 
ifconfig up
route add default 
svcadm  clear net-physical
svcadm disable net-physical
svcadm  enable net-physical

The obvious problem is that I have to do it after ever reboot.  I have verified 
that ipnodes and hostname.aggr1 are correct (and defaultrouter is set).  Any 
ideas?

Thanks,

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Re: [osol-discuss] [nwam-discuss] 2 wireless nics confuses NWAM

2007-07-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 14:58 +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> > One can ask - if you (no specifically you, as in you) own a laptop and
> > you don't know the basic specs of your laptop, maybe the best location
> > for the laptop is in the original box it came in.
> 
> I very very very very strongly disagree with that, not all users are 
> techies and one of the main reasons for doing projects like NWAM and 
> building GUIs is to keep it simple and have the computer do the correct 
> thing as much as it can.  Particularly since the driver names themselves 
> don't give any indication of how something is connected and nwamd can't 
> easily find that out (in some cases it might not actually be possible to 
> do this accurately).
> 
> The stance that all users should know every bit of hardware and what 
> driver drives it is not helpful to adoption and reeks of elitism

True; don't mind me, bad day at work - surprisingly even after good
university results.

Hence the solution of having two and stating whether it is 'built in' or
PCMCIA slot. Mind you, with that being said, one would assume that if
one has a PCMCIA, it is being used for some reason - the built in one
doesn't have support features in Solaris - in which case the owner of
the laptop would have to two what the built in one actually is.

Matthew

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Re: [osol-discuss] Open Sound System - Dev Mazumdar

2007-07-17 Thread Freeman Liu
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> I have spoken with Sanjay Pandit and he told me about BOSUG and I would be 
>> very honored and happy to talk about audio and Open Sound with the BOSUG. 
>> Kindly email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss the agenda and dates. 
>> 
>
> Is there an eta on when OpenSound is going to merge with Solaris? right
> now I can't record anything on my Solaris machine - the microphone
> (internal) isn't picking up anything - I assume it has to do with the
> lack of integration between GNOME and OpenSound.
>   
By what kind of audio record software ? audiorecord, or 
/usr/dt/bin/sdtaudio ? Both should work.
Make sure you set the volume/gain correctly.

By the way, what kind of driver are you using ? OSS driver or sada driver ?

Cheers
  --Freeman
> Matthew
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Re: [osol-discuss] FlashPlayer 9 on SXDE on Laptop...It's Been a Long Time Coming!

2007-07-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 15:10 +0100, Dick Davies wrote:
> On 17/07/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > The new power management in B70 should also make it a nice platform for
> > university - I like sitting in the cafe doing some study without seeing
> > my battery drop like a rock.
> 
> That's interesting - is that the 'frkit/power management' packages
> ( from  http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/ )
> or something else?
> 
> For me it's powernow rather that battery management - I prefer a dead laptop
> to a scorched lap :)
> 

Everything is working for me here, my fan goes on when things need to
cool down etc. The only problem is the lack of frequency scaling which
will hopefully allow me to have a longer battery life than what I'm
currently experiencing.

http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/power/

Only includes things like meters on how long you have left, but doesnt
actually manage the power in a way to maximise battery life, such as
lowering the frequency when it isn't required to be at maximum speed -
for example.

Matthew
-- 
Blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com

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Re: [osol-discuss] What is the package managemnet software on solaris?

2007-07-17 Thread UNIX admin
> pkgadd has been invented by AT&T engineers.

This is known to me.

> It still
> implements a lot of things
> rpm and dpkg are missing.

That is correct. I've recently done some RPM packaging and RPM is pretty kludgy 
when it comes to it - packaging is not as straightforward and as simple as it 
is with System V packaging. 

Advanced features like class installation scripts seem to be either missing 
from the design, or poorly documented.

> We would need a few
> additional features only to make
> pkgadd better with respect to any feature.

Like I wrote before on several occasions, the biggest technical flaw of System 
V packaging is that it does not support hierarchical namespaces which would 
provide for both making package metaclusters a reality, and would make Dennis's 
wish for unified packaging effort technically feasible.

Another subtle but still major flaw is the fact that System V packaging tools 
aren't capable of automatic cleanup of obsolete delta files; that is simply 
left as a responsibility of the packager, which means there is no consistent 
and reliable way to do housekeeping between revisions.

These are the things that are seriously hurting me as someone who does 
packaging day in and day out.  I see the elegant and intelligent subsystems in 
IRIX and HP-UX and then I do Solaris packages, my bread and butter, and I hurt. 
I happen to know ways around it, but in doing so I'm pushing the System V 
packaging system to the limit, which can never be a good thing, and will most 
likely come back to bite me at one point or another.

These changes require major surgery on the System V packaging subsystem. Who is 
going to do such a major undertaking? You? Me? On top of that, we'd have to go 
through the whole integration cycle, and for something as critical as a 
software subsystem, we're looking at a year of integration effort - just the 
bueraucratic part. We haven't even touched on the development effort yet.

The ideal thing in my experience would be to contact SGI directly and see if 
they are willing to either license/opensource or just plain sell their software 
subsystem, especially if we consider that:

a) IRIX has been discountinued, so sgi shouldn't be against giving it up

b) IRIX's software subsystem understands and can handle System V packages, and 
integrates the information into his own software subsystem.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Mounting NTFS troublesome?

2007-07-17 Thread Moinak Ghosh
Orvar Korvar wrote:
> I can use ntfscp to copy TO ntfs. A file with the file name I want copy to 
> ntfs, must also already reside there on the ntfs. ntfscp merely over writes 
> an existing file on ntfs. I can not create a new file on ntfs. This works 
> fine:
> bash-3.00# ntfscp /dev/dsk/c1d1p1 /export/home/sean/notes.doc treeinfo.wc
>
> But I dont succeed copying FROM ntfs to ufs.
> bash-3.00# ntfscp /dev/dsk/c1d1p1 treeinfo.doc /export/home/sean/asdf.d  
> ERROR: Couldn't stat source file : No such file or directory
>
>
> Have I misunderstood ntfscp, or is this the way it should be used?
>   

   From the ntfscp manpage this is the behavior. It will copy a file TO 
an existing file
   in ntfs. To copy a file FROM ntfs an alternative would be to use:

   ntfscat /dev/dsk/cNdNpN somefile > someotherfile

Regards,
Moinak.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Menhir a distro for OpenSolaris plus Linux, FreeBSD and NetBSD

2007-07-17 Thread Gueven Bay
Again I thank everyone for their comments as they helped me to come to the 
final design of the Menhir distribution project.

I have written something like a press release. I want to post it here so you 
can know in which direction Menhir goes.

***Begin
Menhir was started to grow the publicity of FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenSolaris 
side by side with Slackware.
And to widen the skills of the users to all four operating systems.

If you look at the Free Software scene you see that most if not all projects - 
at the operating system level and at the application level - and magazines, 
blogs and newspapers concentrate on GNU/Linux. Also you can note that most 
people start with a Linux distribution and then lock himself in the GNU/Linux 
world. This is very unfortunate as the other free Unix-like operating systems 
bring with them great development and usage culture. The one missing bit at 
their side is popularity.

So Menhir is going to reach the above vision by building a strong, open and 
helpful community to cultivate and distribute the knowledge about all four, 
free operating systems. Because in the free software scene the popularity of 
projects grow by "propaganda". And "propaganda" is spread by experienced users 
and developers who will be fully satisfied by the operating systems because of 
their successes basing on their experience. 

To build the knowledge following development projects are started in the Menhir 
project:
* A document based on "BSD Associate Exam Objectives" will be written which 
guides every user in the use and administration of FreeBSD, NetBSD, Slackware 
and OpenSolaris.
* A document based on "Advanced Linux Programming" will be written which 
teaches the advanced devlopment on the four platforms.
* The base systems of Slackware, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenSolaris are ported to 
the pkgsrc format. After finishing this project everyone will be able to 
install the operating systems with their userland using the pkgsrc tools.
* A collection of kernel configuration files for desktops, laptops and servers. 
You get insight in the structure and building of the kernel if you configure 
and compile your own for your hardware. So at the website of Menhir we will 
collect configuration files for the hardware of the big hardware vendors.
* A structured manual for the engineer-like construction and installation of an 
infrastructure basing on the four operating systems. With all four operating 
systems you can perfectly build networks for home and professional use. This 
manual called "Free Software Systems Engineering" will guide you in the effort 
to build efficient and secure networks.

What we will get in the end is a great collaboration of the developers and 
users of all todays communities of the four operating systems for a 
distribution with the priciples: Strength, Dynamics, Knowledge and Freedom. 

You, dear reader, are invited to join the newsgroup for all your questions, 
comments and contributions of all sorts.

The website of Menhir is : http://code.google.com/p/menhir
The newsgroup of Menhir is: http://groups.google.com/group/menhir-discuss
***End

So the decision to hold the base systems is no more. Especially I will go with 
the releases of SXCR and make the tests (the bulk builds of pkgsrc) on every 
release of it.

I am very curious for your comments now.

regards
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Re: [osol-discuss] FlashPlayer 9 on SXDE on Laptop...It's Been a Long Time Coming!

2007-07-17 Thread Dick Davies
On 17/07/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The new power management in B70 should also make it a nice platform for
> university - I like sitting in the cafe doing some study without seeing
> my battery drop like a rock.

That's interesting - is that the 'frkit/power management' packages
( from  http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/ )
or something else?

For me it's powernow rather that battery management - I prefer a dead laptop
to a scorched lap :)


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Re: [osol-discuss] FlashPlayer 9 on SXDE on Laptop...It's Been a Long Time Coming!

2007-07-17 Thread Orvar Korvar
As I understood it, SXDE contains lots of development tools? Of course I could 
download all those seperately, but I would save lots of time if all those were 
installed right away. Configuring all and so on takes time. Figure out the 
dependencies and so on. Setting it all up correctly.

You could download and install Oracle DB, but it would save time and work if 
someone else did it for you - i.e. if it came on the DVD, just as development 
tools.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] I can't Install SOLARIS 10!!!!!!

2007-07-17 Thread Martin Bochnig
Ignacio Tata wrote:
> Hello, I have this problem.  I boot from the installation DVD and when i  
> select my Video hardware (wich is in the list) everything goes wrong. Is like 
> when you select a resolution that is not supported by the Monitor. Well that 
> happen.
> The rare thing is that the monitor is in the list and the Video hardware too. 
> So i don't understand why it does that.

Hello, please provide exact model names/numbers plus Xorg.0.log .
In the meantime you can either try to configure Xorg manually (during 
installation), or - and this should work in any case - use the text mode 
installer (and configure Xorg manually after the installation is complete).
You may contact me in private for further assistance.
>  Please help me with these. 
> By the way everyone tells me to change windows for linux or solaris but why 
> is so difficult to install anyone of those.

I find it much more difficult to install MS-WinNT.
Especially on sparc ;-)

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Re: [osol-discuss] [nwam-discuss] 2 wireless nics confuses NWAM

2007-07-17 Thread Darren J Moffat
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> One can ask - if you (no specifically you, as in you) own a laptop and
> you don't know the basic specs of your laptop, maybe the best location
> for the laptop is in the original box it came in.

I very very very very strongly disagree with that, not all users are 
techies and one of the main reasons for doing projects like NWAM and 
building GUIs is to keep it simple and have the computer do the correct 
thing as much as it can.  Particularly since the driver names themselves 
don't give any indication of how something is connected and nwamd can't 
easily find that out (in some cases it might not actually be possible to 
do this accurately).

The stance that all users should know every bit of hardware and what 
driver drives it is not helpful to adoption and reeks of elitism.


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Re: [osol-discuss] [nwam-discuss] 2 wireless nics confuses NWAM

2007-07-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 13:31 +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote:
> Dick Davies wrote:
> > On 16/07/07, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Dick Davies wrote:
> >>> 1. Ubuntu on the same machine (and WLANs) presents a list like this:
> >>>
> >>> ipw0 (Intel Centrino .)
> >>>   -- Granny Smith (WEP)
> >>>   -- BT Voyager (WPA)
> >>>   -- mywlan (WPA)
> >>> ath0 (Atheros .)
> >>>   -- Granny Smith (WEP)
> >>>   -- BT Voyager (WPA)
> >>>   -- mywlan (WPA)
> >>>
> >>> whereas the Solaris dialog doesn't specify which NIC it's using.
> >>> Would that make sense?
> >> Why should an end user actually care what the name of the NIC is ?
> > 
> > Because one of the cards might be a) slower or b) non-WPA aware.
> 
> but do you need to know about the different NICs or do you need NWAM to 
> do the sensible thing and present a merged listed ?  If the "correct" 
> think had happened would you actually be asking this at all ?
> 
> Why is it interesting for the user to know and more importantly for a 
> non advanced user how does ipw0 and ath0 tell them one is the built in 
> thingy and the other the add in thingy ?

One can ask - if you (no specifically you, as in you) own a laptop and
you don't know the basic specs of your laptop, maybe the best location
for the laptop is in the original box it came in.

Worse case, "wpi0 - built in" "ath1 - PCMCIA card" or somthing to that
affect.

Side not, when is wpa support going to arrive in wpi?

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Re: [osol-discuss] FlashPlayer 9 on SXDE on Laptop...It's Been a Long Time Coming!

2007-07-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 05:14 -0700, Orvar Korvar wrote:
> However, SXDE comes only on DVD. I have tried 3 different DVD readers and no 
> Solaris version will boot. Several of my students reported the same, Solaris 
> DVD wont boot. We had to resort to Solaris on CD. And, SXDE doesnt exist on 
> CD. There are several old computers that only allows boot from CD. I wish 
> SXDE could be released on CD as well, but there seems to be a limitation and 
> therefore it can not be released on CD.
>  
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One suggests downloading and installing the cd version of SXCE - SXDE is
merely SXCE + development tools.

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Re: [osol-discuss] What is the package managemnet software on solaris?

2007-07-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 04:25 -0700, Nicolas Linkert wrote:
> Which leads to the interesting question why OpenSolaris doesn't take pkg-get. 
> Or apt-get. Or rpm. Ok, wrong question. Not invented by SUN engineers ...
>  
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apt-get merely sits ontop of debian packages - nothing stopping anyone
(or you for that matter) to implement apt-get for SVR5 pkg's.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Open Sound System - Dev Mazumdar

2007-07-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
> Hi Joe,
> 
> I have spoken with Sanjay Pandit and he told me about BOSUG and I would be 
> very honored and happy to talk about audio and Open Sound with the BOSUG. 
> Kindly email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss the agenda and dates. 

Is there an eta on when OpenSound is going to merge with Solaris? right
now I can't record anything on my Solaris machine - the microphone
(internal) isn't picking up anything - I assume it has to do with the
lack of integration between GNOME and OpenSound.

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[osol-discuss] I can't Install SOLARIS 10!!!!!!

2007-07-17 Thread Ignacio Tata
Hello, I have this problem.  I boot from the installation DVD and when i  
select my Video hardware (wich is in the list) everything goes wrong. Is like 
when you select a resolution that is not supported by the Monitor. Well that 
happen.
The rare thing is that the monitor is in the list and the Video hardware too. 
So i don't understand why it does that. Please help me with these. 
By the way everyone tells me to change windows for linux or solaris but why is 
so difficult to install anyone of those.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] [nwam-discuss] 2 wireless nics confuses NWAM

2007-07-17 Thread Dick Davies
On 17/07/07, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dick Davies wrote:

> >> Why should an end user actually care what the name of the NIC is ?
> >
> > Because one of the cards might be a) slower or b) non-WPA aware.

> but do you need to know about the different NICs or do you need NWAM to
> do the sensible thing and present a merged listed ?  If the "correct"
> thing had happened would you actually be asking this at all ?
>
> Why is it interesting for the user to know and more importantly for a
> non advanced user how does ipw0 and ath0 tell them one is the built in
> thingy and the other the add in thingy ?

I don't see a downside to listing 'WLANs per NIC' , but
I think I'm really asking for NWAM to be aware of multiple NICs
(and try to fallback to another if one is repeatedly faling).

I sort of figured we could hassle the user in the meantime, since that's
only a small tweak.

> Think more automagic :-)

I am. Black magic :)

Thanks.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Mounting NTFS troublesome?

2007-07-17 Thread Orvar Korvar
I can use ntfscp to copy TO ntfs. A file with the file name I want copy to 
ntfs, must also already reside there on the ntfs. ntfscp merely over writes an 
existing file on ntfs. I can not create a new file on ntfs. This works fine:
bash-3.00# ntfscp /dev/dsk/c1d1p1 /export/home/sean/notes.doc treeinfo.wc

But I dont succeed copying FROM ntfs to ufs.
bash-3.00# ntfscp /dev/dsk/c1d1p1 treeinfo.doc /export/home/sean/asdf.d  
ERROR: Couldn't stat source file : No such file or directory


Have I misunderstood ntfscp, or is this the way it should be used?
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] NO disk found" problem while installing Solaris 10

2007-07-17 Thread Radu Vranceanu
maybe this helps:
http://opensolaris.mynoteb00k.com/basics/installation/opensolaris-installation/
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Slow File Transfer Speeds Opensolaris

2007-07-17 Thread James Carlson
Aaron Wilson writes:
> However if I use gftp to download files, transfers speeds are appallingly 
> slow. Even over the LAN.
> We're talking almost dialup speeds. A simple 5meg mp3 file can take up to 20 
> minutes to download from a machine on the LAN. Happens at home on 10Mbit LAN 
> or at work on 100Mbit LAN. 

That sounds like a broken network interface.  A common reason for a
problem like this is that the duplex setting on the interface is
incorrect.  The right way to deal with duplex (in general) is to leave
it enabled and let it do its thing.

A well-known failure mode is that if you force full duplex on one
side, and the other side of the connection is set to negotiate, the
IEEE standards _require_ that the other side fall into half-duplex
mode.  This causes rotten performance, just as you describe.  So,
don't do that.

Checking 'netstat -i' and the kstats for your adapter might be a good
place to start.

(You might want to try over in [EMAIL PROTECTED])

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Re: [osol-discuss] What is the package managemnet software on solaris?

2007-07-17 Thread Darren J Moffat
Nicolas Linkert wrote:
> Which leads to the interesting question why OpenSolaris doesn't take pkg-get. 
> Or apt-get. Or rpm. Ok, wrong question. Not invented by SUN engineers ...

For the base rpm/deb versus pkgadd I think you will find that on the 
hole pkgadd has all the core functionality that rpm/deb have when you 
keep in mind that pkgadd is NOT a build system but a pure package manager.

If you want to constructively help with tis please move over to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Also check out Nextenta.

You might be surprised to know that CUSTOMERS probably don't actually 
want RPM on Solaris because the ISVs are using pkgadd to ship the software.

pkg-get is an install system not a packaging system.

As others have pointed out already have a look at what Blastwave layers 
ontop of pkgadd very simply.

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Re: [osol-discuss] [nwam-discuss] 2 wireless nics confuses NWAM

2007-07-17 Thread Darren J Moffat
Dick Davies wrote:
> On 16/07/07, Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Dick Davies wrote:
>>> 1. Ubuntu on the same machine (and WLANs) presents a list like this:
>>>
>>> ipw0 (Intel Centrino .)
>>>   -- Granny Smith (WEP)
>>>   -- BT Voyager (WPA)
>>>   -- mywlan (WPA)
>>> ath0 (Atheros .)
>>>   -- Granny Smith (WEP)
>>>   -- BT Voyager (WPA)
>>>   -- mywlan (WPA)
>>>
>>> whereas the Solaris dialog doesn't specify which NIC it's using.
>>> Would that make sense?
>> Why should an end user actually care what the name of the NIC is ?
> 
> Because one of the cards might be a) slower or b) non-WPA aware.

but do you need to know about the different NICs or do you need NWAM to 
do the sensible thing and present a merged listed ?  If the "correct" 
think had happened would you actually be asking this at all ?

Why is it interesting for the user to know and more importantly for a 
non advanced user how does ipw0 and ath0 tell them one is the built in 
thingy and the other the add in thingy ?

Think more automagic :-)

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Re: [osol-discuss] What is the package managemnet software on solaris?

2007-07-17 Thread Joerg Schilling
UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Which leads to the interesting question why
> > OpenSolaris doesn't take pkg-get. Or apt-get. Or rpm.
> > Ok, wrong question. Not invented by SUN engineers ...
>
> There are better, more robust and more intelligent software subsystems 
> available than Debian's DPKG or RedHat's RPM format, which makes dpkg and rpm 
> suboptimal choices for Solaris resp. OpenSolaris.

pkgadd has been invented by AT&T engineers. It still implements a lot of things
rpm and dpkg are missing. We would need a few additional features only to make
pkgadd better with respect to any feature.



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Re: [osol-discuss] FlashPlayer 9 on SXDE on Laptop...It's Been a Long Time Coming!

2007-07-17 Thread Orvar Korvar
However, SXDE comes only on DVD. I have tried 3 different DVD readers and no 
Solaris version will boot. Several of my students reported the same, Solaris 
DVD wont boot. We had to resort to Solaris on CD. And, SXDE doesnt exist on CD. 
There are several old computers that only allows boot from CD. I wish SXDE 
could be released on CD as well, but there seems to be a limitation and 
therefore it can not be released on CD.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] What is the package managemnet software on solaris?

2007-07-17 Thread UNIX admin
> Which leads to the interesting question why
> OpenSolaris doesn't take pkg-get. Or apt-get. Or rpm.
> Ok, wrong question. Not invented by SUN engineers ...

There are better, more robust and more intelligent software subsystems 
available than Debian's DPKG or RedHat's RPM format, which makes dpkg and rpm 
suboptimal choices for Solaris resp. OpenSolaris.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] What is the package managemnet software on solaris?

2007-07-17 Thread Nicolas Linkert
Which leads to the interesting question why OpenSolaris doesn't take pkg-get. 
Or apt-get. Or rpm. Ok, wrong question. Not invented by SUN engineers ...
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] FlashPlayer 9 on SXDE on Laptop...It's Been a Long Time Coming!

2007-07-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 01:05 -0700, W. Wayne Liauh wrote:
> > However, I am still unable to play video on
> > Foxnews.com.
> 
> It appears that, to view foxnews.com video, I have to:
> 
> 1.  install the greasemonkey add-on:
> 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748 ; and
> 
> 2.  install the "FoxNews Friendly Video" script:
> 
> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/1371
> 
> SXDE is getting very close to becoming the most comfortable OS for business 
> desktops and notebooks--all things considered.

*snicker* don't mind, force of habit being a lefty.

The new power management in B70 should also make it a nice platform for
university - I like sitting in the cafe doing some study without seeing
my battery drop like a rock.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Mounting NTFS troublesome?

2007-07-17 Thread Orvar Korvar
Ok, I tried to copy large ntfs files ~3GB with Samba, and it worked. Thanx for 
your solution!
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Mounting NTFS troublesome?

2007-07-17 Thread Orvar Korvar
bash-3.00# ntfsls /dev/dsk/c1d1p1
Emulators
RECYCLER
Docs
DoNOTshare
INCOMING
Misc
MP3
Music
pagefile.sys
Programs
System Volume Information
treeinfo.wc




I have tried with root. My problem is the syntax of the command ntfscp. If you 
could give me an example of the syntax, I would be grateful.

bash-3.00# ntfscp /dev/dsk/c1d1p1 treeinfo.wc .
ERROR: Couldn't stat source file : No such file or directory

As I understand it, I should not mount the ntfs partition. How do I specify a 
mount point/file then? That is my problem!
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Open Sound System - Dev Mazumdar

2007-07-17 Thread Dev Mazumdar
> Yes, I was planning to ask Dev first. I have not had
> a chance to  
> speak with him yet.
> 
> Anyone has an idea on how many visitors might turn up
> to hear Dev if  
> we open it up to everyone?
> 
> I was thinking of two events - one for BOSUG (smaller
> and more  
> personal). Second with BLUG which is for a larger
> audience.
> 
> ~Joe
> 

Hi Joe,

I have spoken with Sanjay Pandit and he told me about BOSUG and I would be very 
honored and happy to talk about audio and Open Sound with the BOSUG. Kindly 
email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss the agenda and dates. 



best regards
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Re: [osol-discuss] Laptop bargain hunting experience and specs write-up

2007-07-17 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> wound up getting the Compaq Presario T2080 (with Atheros
> wireless ) at Best Buy.

>What I did get a
> chance to do though
> was download and fire up Nevada b67 via the BeleniX
> 0.6.1 LiveCD (also,
> I stuck with Xfce and the Realtek ethernet NIC for
> now) and everything,
> including LAN/WAN/DHCP discovery worked great!
> 
> Eric

1.  Over the years, we have been quite fond of Athlon-based (both 32- and 
64-bit) HP notebooks.  Since about one year or so ago, we have not had any 
problem running Solaris Express on any of our HP notebooks.  The only problem 
is wireless.  Next time around we will be paying attention to getting only 
those with Atheros card.  All our notebooks are with ATI or nVidia video card.

2.  On one of the notebooks we tested, with Casper's frkit script running, the 
power consumption measured with a Wattmeter was 14 W for Solaris Express, 
versus 18~19 W for Linux (SuSE/Fedora) and WindowsXP, during idle.

3.  Linux (SuSE/Ubuntu/Fedora) has problems with some of the models, and I 
don't trust Windows when browsing the web.  This leaves Solaris Express the 
only option.

4.  During this year's Computex Taipei, one of the most appealing products was 
the "Asus Eee PC 701 notebook":

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3829

* Display: 7"
* Processor: Intel mobile CPU (Intel 910 chipset, 900MHz Dothan Pentium M)
* Memory: 512MB RAM
* OS: Linux (Asus customized flavor)
* Storage: 8GB or 16GB flash hard drive
* Webcam: 300K pixel video camera
* Battery life: 3 hours using 4-cell battery
* Weight: 2lbs
* Dimensions: 8.9 in x 6.5 in x 0.82 in - 1.37 in (width x depth x 
thickness)
* Ports: 3 USB ports, 1 VGA out, SD card reader, modem, Ethernet, 
head/microphone
* Bootup time: 10 seconds
* Price: $250

Even though the hardware design is ugly and the software (Asus' own version of 
Linux) is IMNSHO stupid (apparently Asus didn't use their best engineers to put 
together their own Linux "distro"), I am definitely going to get one when it 
becomes available.  But this is not my point.

My point is, perhaps we can try to work with Asus to design a better, 
Solaris-based, system (at least on the software part).  Most hardware 
manufactures don't have a clue how to deal with GPL, I believe they will feel 
more comfortable with CDDL once properly educated.  Plus, (paid) support for 
desktops (which necessitates low per-unit cost) is always illusory in Linux.  
Solaris/Sun should be in a much better position to address this critical issue.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] FlashPlayer 9 on SXDE on Laptop...It's Been a Long Time Coming!

2007-07-17 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> However, I am still unable to play video on
> Foxnews.com.

It appears that, to view foxnews.com video, I have to:

1.  install the greasemonkey add-on:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748 ; and

2.  install the "FoxNews Friendly Video" script:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/1371

SXDE is getting very close to becoming the most comfortable OS for business 
desktops and notebooks--all things considered.
 
 
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