Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Damian Wojsław]

Groups for Illumos:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=115926828458102

http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=3283798


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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[john kroll]

Oh, please. None of this is "serious". I'm sure we can come up with a
real bunch of interesting names, but being *serious* isn't relevant.

Irreverent, maybe. :-) 

trademark pending  ??
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Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

[Edward Martinez]

> 
my is more of an "announcement" then news to  an event being held by oracle, 
yours i think qualifies for being "news", i stopped posting news .)
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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Bryan Horstmann-Allen]

+--
| On 2010-08-05 19:39:07, Edward Martinez wrote:
| 
| And i  also like the part that it' says about being "package neutral" it 
would be nice if i could "bootstrap" netbsd's pkgsrc on to a illumos base 
install and compile  the packages i want. i'm probably a few that prefers 
pkgsrc over rpm,apt-get,yum, but i do like gentoo's emerge:)

pkgsrc works fine on Solaris. 
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Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

[Paul Gress]

On 08/ 5/10 11:31 PM, Edward Martinez wrote:

I think this may be important to  solaris customers:)


excerpt:
Tuesday, August 10, 2010
9:00 a.m. âEUR" 10:00 a.m. PT  Live Webcast

Join John Fowler, Executive Vice President, Systems, for a live update on the 
strategy and roadmap for OracleâEUR^(TM)s Sun servers, storage and complete 
systems including Oracle Solaris.

http://www.oracle.com/webapps/events/EventsDetail.jsp?p_eventId=119649&src=7011191&src=7011191&Act=6&evite=6
   



Some up news above.  Some down news below:

Oracle chops Sun HPC jobs

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/sun_hpc_cuts_systems/
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[osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

[Edward Martinez]

I think this may be important to  solaris customers:)


excerpt:
Tuesday, August 10, 2010
9:00 a.m. – 10:00 a.m. PT   Live Webcast

Join John Fowler, Executive Vice President, Systems, for a live update on the 
strategy and roadmap for Oracle’s Sun servers, storage and complete systems 
including Oracle Solaris.

http://www.oracle.com/webapps/events/EventsDetail.jsp?p_eventId=119649&src=7011191&src=7011191&Act=6&evite=6
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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Edward Martinez]

> Garrett D'Amore, the "Benevolent Dictator for now" of
> the IllumOS project, has posted a slide show in pdf
> format:
> 
> http://www.illumos.org/attachments/download/3/illumos.
> pdf
> 
> At the present time, the only thing I cared is that
> these great slides are made using Oracle's
> OpenOffice.org 3.2 (pls see att scrnshot).  :-)
> 
> Ed.:  Forgot to mention that, as shown in one of the
> slides, the IllumOS is also partnered by SchilliX,
> BeleniX, and Joyent (as per Sir Bryan Cantrill,
> Joyent's newly minted VP of Engineering), etc.
> 
> 
> > A number of the community leaders from the
> > OpenSolaris community have
> > been working quietly together on a new effort
> called
> > Illumos, and we're
> > just about ready to fully disclose our work to,
> and
> > invite the general
> > participation of, the general public.
> > 
> > We believe that everyone who is interested in
> > OpenSolaris should be
> > interested in what we have to say, and so we
> invite
> > the entire
> > OpenSolaris community to join us for a
> presentation
> > on at 1PM EDT on
> > August 3, 2010.
> > 
> > You can find out the full details of how to listen
> in
> > to our conference,
> > or attend in person (we will be announcing from
> New
> > York City) by
> > visiting http://www.illumos.org/announce (The
> final
> > details shall be
> > posted there not later than 1PM EDT Aug 1, 2010.)
> > 
> > We look forward to seeing you there!
> > 
> >   - Garrett D'Amore & the rest of the Illumos Cast
> 
> Message was edited by: waynel

I like this at the beginning, it's like if it is saying "SunOS":

Light as in coming from the "Sun...
OS" as in Operating System

And i  also like the part that it' says about being "package neutral" it would 
be nice if i could "bootstrap" netbsd's pkgsrc on to a illumos base install and 
compile  the packages i want. i'm probably a few that prefers pkgsrc over 
rpm,apt-get,yum, but i do like gentoo's emerge:)

it's great to see a great list of top partners, illumos will succeed , I think 
ZFS creator, bill moore  works for nexenta, so in a way nexenta is becoming SUN 
2.0 ;) i can picture it now "nexenta microsystems", only if they sold units:)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Nessus

[alan pae]

The last time I checked they had a Sparc only version for Solaris 10.  I can't 
think of a reason why it wouldn't work on OpenSolaris since Opensolaris still 
supports pkgadd.

alan
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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[W. Wayne Liauh]

Garrett D'Amore, the "Benevolent Dictator for now" of the IllumOS project, has 
posted a slide show in pdf format:

http://www.illumos.org/attachments/download/3/illumos.pdf

At the present time, the only thing I cared is that these great slides are made 
using Oracle's OpenOffice.org 3.2 (pls see att scrnshot).  :-)




> A number of the community leaders from the
> OpenSolaris community have
> been working quietly together on a new effort called
> Illumos, and we're
> just about ready to fully disclose our work to, and
> invite the general
> participation of, the general public.
> 
> We believe that everyone who is interested in
> OpenSolaris should be
> interested in what we have to say, and so we invite
> the entire
> OpenSolaris community to join us for a presentation
> on at 1PM EDT on
> August 3, 2010.
> 
> You can find out the full details of how to listen in
> to our conference,
> or attend in person (we will be announcing from New
> York City) by
> visiting http://www.illumos.org/announce (The final
> details shall be
> posted there not later than 1PM EDT Aug 1, 2010.)
> 
> We look forward to seeing you there!
> 
>   - Garrett D'Amore & the rest of the Illumos Cast
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Re: [osol-discuss] New onnv distro naming suggestion

[Marty Scholes]

> 2010/8/3 Günther :
> > and the winner is...
> >
> >      IllumOs
> 
> Unfortunately. Good project, dreadful name.

We live in an age where the success of a project seems to be proportional to 
how disconnected the name appears to be from the product / service.

Look at the big companies today and ask yourself if, at first glance, you would 
be able to guess what they do.
* Ebay (what?!?!?!)
* Amazon (sure, name a bookstore after a river; that makes sense)
* Google (now we are just making up words)
* Yahoo! (no clue at first)
* Napster (sleeping pill?)
* Java (An island?  Coffee?  Nope, a C++ like programming language)
* Ubuntu
* Red Hat
* Unix (a neutered MUTLICS.  Sure, we would have all guessed that one)

While I'm sure there are plenty of counterexamples, the best names seem to be 
made up and/or cause significant confusion regarding their purpose.

IllumOS fits the bill.
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Re: [osol-discuss] module "ip" due to a NULL pointer dereference

[Ignacio Marambio Catán]

I don' t know. I'm certain there isnt without paying oracle for support.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Peter  wrote:
> Yeah, actually I had another one server has the same crash, is there any 
> patch for this only? not a whole build?
>
> I did some search,  that it's noticed as a bug.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [osol-discuss] module "ip" due to a NULL pointer dereference

[Peter]

Yeah, actually I had another one server has the same crash, is there any patch 
for this only? not a whole build?

I did some search,  that it's noticed as a bug.

Thanks,
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Re: [osol-discuss] module "ip" due to a NULL pointer dereference

[Ignacio Marambio Catán]

can you reliably reproduce it?
can you do it in a more recent build such as b134? (its the latest /dev build)


On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Peter  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We are running on snv_111b, got crash
>
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 ^Mpanic[cpu3]/thread=ff050a94b540:
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 335743 kern.notice] BAD TRAP: type=e 
> (#pf Page fault) rp=ff0020f64c80 addr=8 occurred in module "ip" due to a 
> NULL pointer dereference
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 10 kern.notice]
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 839527 kern.notice] java:
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 753105 kern.notice] #pf Page fault
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 532287 kern.notice] Bad kernel fault at 
> addr=0x8
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 243837 kern.notice] pid=17665, 
> pc=0xf7b5daaa, sp=0xff0020f64d78, eflags=0x10202
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 211416 kern.notice] cr0: 
> 8005003b cr4: 6f8
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 624947 kern.notice] cr2: 8
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 625075 kern.notice] cr3: 42f811000
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 625715 kern.notice] cr8: c
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 10 kern.notice]
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  rdi: ff05077b6a80 
> rsi: ff10c3519b10 rdx: ff0020f64e6c
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  rcx: ff04f5dcd6e8 
>  r8:                0  r9:                0
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  rax:                6 
> rbx: ff04fd87f888 rbp: ff0020f64d90
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  r10: fb84b168 
> r11:                0 r12: ff04f5dcd6e8
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  r13: ff0020f64e6c 
> r14: ff10c3519b10 r15: ff04fd87f870
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  fsb:                0 
> gsb: ff04ea2acb00  ds:               4b
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]   es:               4b 
>  fs:                0  gs:              1c3
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  trp:                e 
> err:                0 rip: f7b5daaa
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]   cs:               30 
> rfl:            10202 rsp: ff0020f64d78
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 266532 kern.notice]   ss:               38
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 10 kern.notice]
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64b60 
> unix:die+dd ()
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64c70 
> unix:trap+1752 ()
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64c80 
> unix:cmntrap+e9 ()
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64d90 
> ip:tcp_do_getsockname+ea ()
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64dc0 
> ip:tcp_getsockname+21 ()
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64e20 
> sockfs:so_getsockname+67 ()
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64e50 
> sockfs:socket_getsockname+22 ()
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64ec0 
> sockfs:getsockname+9c ()
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64f10 
> unix:brand_sys_syscall32+197 ()
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 10 kern.notice]
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 672855 kern.notice] syncing file 
> systems...
> Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 904073 kern.notice]  done
> Jul 23 16:23:54 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 111219 kern.notice] dumping to 
> /dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/dump, offset 65536, content: kernel
> Jul 23 16:24:12 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 409368 kern.notice] ^M100% done: 396503 
> pages dumped, compression ratio 3.56,
> Jul 23 16:24:12 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 851671 kern.notice] dump succeeded
> Jul 23 16:26:27 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 540533 kern.notice] ^MSunOS Release 
> 5.11 Version snv_111b 64-bit
> Jul 23 16:26:27 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 943908 kern.notice] Copyright 1983-2009 
> Sun Microsystems, Inc.  All rights reserved.
> Jul 23 16:26:27 IRBOX341 Use is subject to license terms.
>
>
> Is there any patch available?
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
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[osol-discuss] module "ip" due to a NULL pointer dereference

[Peter]

Hi all,

We are running on snv_111b, got crash 

Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 ^Mpanic[cpu3]/thread=ff050a94b540:
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 335743 kern.notice] BAD TRAP: type=e (#pf 
Page fault) rp=ff0020f64c80 addr=8 occurred in module "ip" due to a NULL 
pointer dereference
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 10 kern.notice]
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 839527 kern.notice] java:
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 753105 kern.notice] #pf Page fault
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 532287 kern.notice] Bad kernel fault at 
addr=0x8
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 243837 kern.notice] pid=17665, 
pc=0xf7b5daaa, sp=0xff0020f64d78, eflags=0x10202
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 211416 kern.notice] cr0: 
8005003b cr4: 6f8
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 624947 kern.notice] cr2: 8
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 625075 kern.notice] cr3: 42f811000
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 625715 kern.notice] cr8: c
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 10 kern.notice]
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  rdi: ff05077b6a80 
rsi: ff10c3519b10 rdx: ff0020f64e6c
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  rcx: ff04f5dcd6e8  
r8:0  r9:0
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  rax:6 
rbx: ff04fd87f888 rbp: ff0020f64d90
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  r10: fb84b168 
r11:0 r12: ff04f5dcd6e8
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  r13: ff0020f64e6c 
r14: ff10c3519b10 r15: ff04fd87f870
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  fsb:0 
gsb: ff04ea2acb00  ds:   4b
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]   es:   4b  
fs:0  gs:  1c3
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]  trp:e 
err:0 rip: f7b5daaa
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 592667 kern.notice]   cs:   30 
rfl:10202 rsp: ff0020f64d78
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 266532 kern.notice]   ss:   38
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 10 kern.notice]
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64b60 
unix:die+dd ()
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64c70 
unix:trap+1752 ()
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64c80 
unix:cmntrap+e9 ()
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64d90 
ip:tcp_do_getsockname+ea ()
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64dc0 
ip:tcp_getsockname+21 ()
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64e20 
sockfs:so_getsockname+67 ()
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64e50 
sockfs:socket_getsockname+22 ()
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64ec0 
sockfs:getsockname+9c ()
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 655072 kern.notice] ff0020f64f10 
unix:brand_sys_syscall32+197 ()
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 unix: [ID 10 kern.notice]
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 672855 kern.notice] syncing file 
systems...
Jul 23 16:23:53 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 904073 kern.notice]  done
Jul 23 16:23:54 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 111219 kern.notice] dumping to 
/dev/zvol/dsk/rpool/dump, offset 65536, content: kernel
Jul 23 16:24:12 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 409368 kern.notice] ^M100% done: 396503 
pages dumped, compression ratio 3.56,
Jul 23 16:24:12 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 851671 kern.notice] dump succeeded
Jul 23 16:26:27 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 540533 kern.notice] ^MSunOS Release 5.11 
Version snv_111b 64-bit
Jul 23 16:26:27 IRBOX341 genunix: [ID 943908 kern.notice] Copyright 1983-2009 
Sun Microsystems, Inc.  All rights reserved.
Jul 23 16:26:27 IRBOX341 Use is subject to license terms.


Is there any patch available?

Thanks,
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Re: [osol-discuss] New onnv distro naming suggestion sonus

[Sean Sprague]

'SONUS' interesting??
   


My final suggestion is "fossos" - anyone like it? I am wearing Kevlar 
underwear...


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[osol-discuss] Nessus

[Anderson]

Hi there,

I am wondering if anyone has ever been successful in installing Nessus on 
Opensolaris. Any other reputable Network and web application VA tools info is 
much appreciated as well.

Haven't found any Nessus related info in Opensolaris website. On the same way, 
Nessus website does not make any reference to Opensolaris.

Appreciate any information related one could share.
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Re: [osol-discuss] New onnv distro naming suggestion sonus

[Peter Jones]

Re: [osol-discuss] New onnv distro naming suggestion
Posted: Aug 5, 2010 4:09 AM   in response to: pleon
To: OpenSolaris » discuss

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I like "Sonus" the reverse of the original SunOS. Hey! Maybe Larry won't 
disSonus. lol




'SONUS' interesting??
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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Erik Trimble]

On 8/5/2010 9:26 AM, devsk wrote:

On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
 

I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called "I am OS",
 

contrasted with "I am a PC" and "I am a Mac"
 


 

- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...

   

Naahhh. I'd perfer a bit of hubris, and go with
"TheOS".

Or, maybe TOTOS (The One True OS).


 

Why are people making fun of such a serious attempt at suggesting a good short name? The 
"OS" in ImOS is OpenSolaris.
   


Oh, please.   None of this is "serious".  I'm sure we can come up with a 
real bunch of interesting names, but being *serious* isn't relevant.


Irreverent, maybe. :-)

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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[devsk]

> On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
> >> I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called "I am OS",
> contrasted with "I am a PC" and "I am a Mac"
> >>  
> > - iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
> >
> 
> Naahhh. I'd perfer a bit of hubris, and go with
> "TheOS".
> 
> Or, maybe TOTOS (The One True OS).
> 
> 

Why are people making fun of such a serious attempt at suggesting a good short 
name? The "OS" in ImOS is OpenSolaris.
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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Brandon Hume]

On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 07:06 -0700, Erik Trimble wrote:
> I know, but, it's Theo.  And, that's all I'm gonna say on that topic. :-)

I'm not sure that the OpenSolaris codebase is sufficiently angry and
rude to be a *proper* Theo.  *Cough*  :)


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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[ken mays]

I was making a bunch of source tarballs to archive the latest Oracle Xorg and 
ON snv_146 based sources.

We found out that snv_145 built successfully with the merges from IllumOS gate 
from another developer and today I was working on reviewing the snv_146 build 
which was respun yesterday.

Based on the demo presentation, there is hope of a successful public core 
binary with the recent ON and Xorg updates.

~ Ken Mays





  
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Re: [osol-discuss] Access to Sun Studio tools for building ON is broken

[Chris Ridd]

On 5 Aug 2010, at 15:51, Rick Ramsey wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> The Studio pages were migrated over from SDN with some pretty coarse scripts, 
> so we're updating them manually, along with many others.  The information on 
> those pages is not 100% reliable, yet.  For instance, some of the latest 
> updates we made to the SDN site are not showing up on the OTN site, yet.
> 
> Should be up-to-date and stable again in a few days.

Thanks Rick, I'll check again next week.

Cheers,

Chris
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Re: [osol-discuss] Access to Sun Studio tools for building ON is broken

[Rick Ramsey]

Chris,

The Studio pages were migrated over from SDN with some pretty coarse 
scripts, so we're updating them manually, along with many others.  The 
information on those pages is not 100% reliable, yet.  For instance, 
some of the latest updates we made to the SDN site are not showing up on 
the OTN site, yet.


Should be up-to-date and stable again in a few days.

Rick

On 8/5/2010 3:23 AM, Chris Ridd wrote:

On 5 Aug 2010, at 10:12, Ian Collins wrote:

  

On 08/ 5/10 08:56 PM, Chavdar Ivanov wrote:


On 4 Aug 2010, at 21:48, Maurilio Longo wrote:




Alasdair,

what about this link


  
  

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/sunst
udio/downloads/studio12-update1-136165.html

Ohh, yes, that works perfectly! Nice, thanks :-)



Not for me, any full SunStudio (Express downloaded fine, though).

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/sunstudio/downloads/index.html still shows 
"Free Download"; from here onwards when I select any of the options to download, I am 
lead to the login page; using my personal credentials I always get "User not authorized" 
on http://sunsolve.sun.com/messageHandler.do ...
  
  

That's odd, it works for me with my subscription free login.  The patches are 
still available as well.



I'm getting "User Not Authorized" for all SunStudio downloads - for the normal 
release and the patched releases needed for building OpenSolaris. Maybe there's something 
cached for my account and not yours?

It does however sound like some accidental web breakage rather than a policy 
change, which is reassuring. It'll be more reassuring once I can download it 
again, of course :-)

Cheers,

Chris
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Re: [osol-discuss] New onnv distro naming suggestion

[Fabio Kaminski]

or even "Sol" wich in portuguese (and spanish) means sun

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Fabio Kaminski wrote:

> Solar
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Bruce Porter  wrote:
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>> Stellaris ?
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Re: [osol-discuss] New onnv distro naming suggestion

[Fabio Kaminski]

Solar

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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Alan Coopersmith]

Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
> Hmm...didn't FOX gate have Martin's ports of drivers for some
> of the legacy SPARC graphics hardware?  Having a fair bit of same
> still in use, those are still a matter of concern for me.

Yes, but those aren't in sync with current X servers, and he hasn't
touched them in the FOX gate since March 2009 - in fact, we're coming
up on the one year anniversary of the last commit by anyone to the
fox-gate hg repo - August 17, 2009.   If Martin's still working on them,
he's been doing it somewhere else.

> It'd be great to see them separable from the basic X server, if Oracle
> doesn't wish to maintain them, so that they could be an addition from
> a separate repository, rather than requiring an entire alternative X server.

That requires someone to actively maintain them, since the Xorg driver API/ABI
changes between upstream releases.

> Either or both of those are presumably for the community to deal with;
> but it would sure help if coexistence with (rather than replacement of)
> "standard" software were possible.

I am happy to add new source repositories and committers to the FOX project
if people want to do work there, but right now, no one is.   (Other than the
project gates we're using to stage the upgrades to new Xorg versions before
they're ready to integrate to the main Nevada gate, like the Xorg-1.9-merge
gate I recently made there - but only Niveditha & I have been working on those.)

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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Erik Trimble]

On 8/5/2010 6:48 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote:

Erik Trimble  wrote:

   

On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
 

I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called "I am OS", contrasted with "I am a PC" and "I am 
a Mac"

 

- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...

   

Naahhh. I'd perfer a bit of hubris, and go with "TheOS".
 

http://theos.com/

Jörg
   



I know, but, it's Theo.  And, that's all I'm gonna say on that topic. :-)


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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Erik Trimble]

On 8/5/2010 5:30 AM, Ashish Nabira wrote:
Answer is simple. HPC business is negative margin, and Oracle don't do 
any negative margin business.


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On 05-Aug-10, at 1:14 AM, Paul Gress wrote:

On 08/ 4/10 02:26 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:

On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Paul Gress wrote:
   

Larry sees the profitable market as servers and databases.  HPC, won't help 
databases.  HPC (high performance computers) basically are derived from servers 
with additional components added to them to make them function as a 
workstation, this is my interpretation, I'm sure some one will probably correct 
me if I'm wrong.
 

There are certainly desktop High Performance Computing applications, but it's 
much more common for HPC nodes to be servers of some description.  Generally 
they're biased towards large amounts of CPU power, and/or have multiple GPU 
cards installed, to provide lots of computational speed.

   


Thanks for the added info.  In you opinion, does HPC have any benefit 
for database applications.  I imagine the high CPU count will but the 
GPU count won't, as in CUDA.  If this is true, why is Oracle not 
participating in any conferences or even updated their own web page 
(http://wikis.sun.com/display/HPCCommunity/Home), last updated on Oct 
2009..


Paul




HPC is almost completely reserved for simulation these days, which means 
heavy use by academic (and quasi-academic) organizations, with some 
government stuff thrown in as as well.  I'm also of course seeing usage 
for render farms. :-)


The key thing about the HPC market is it is very cost-sensitive, mainly 
because of the vast numbers of compute nodes that are bought.   I'd not 
say a "negative margin" area, but certainly, nothing like the margins 
Oracle typically goes for.  I certainly don't see the HPC market willing 
to cough up the dough for the Oracle Premium Support contract per node, 
and without that, Oracle has very little (institutional) reason to sell 
into a market that's not going to make much money for them.


And, before anyone asks, Databases don't really do HPC clusters yet.  At 
least, databases in the sense of a traditional RDBMS (things like MySQL 
read-only content distribution farms run just fine, but that's not the 
same as being able to run a back-end DB for something like OLTP).




And, as always, I do not speak for Oracle, not do I have non-public 
knowledge about any Oracle product, business practice, or policy.


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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Joerg Schilling]

Erik Trimble  wrote:

> On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
> >> I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called "I am OS", contrasted with "I am a PC" 
> >> and "I am a Mac"
> >>  
> > - iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
> >
>
> Naahhh. I'd perfer a bit of hubris, and go with "TheOS".

http://theos.com/

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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Erik Trimble]

On 8/5/2010 4:06 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:

I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called "I am OS", contrasted with "I am a PC" and "I am 
a Mac"
 

- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
   


Naahhh. I'd perfer a bit of hubris, and go with "TheOS".

Or, maybe TOTOS (The One True OS).




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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Ashish Nabira]

Answer is simple. HPC business is negative margin, and Oracle don't do  
any negative margin business.


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Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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Mobile +919845082183
Email ashish.nab...@sun.com


On 05-Aug-10, at 1:14 AM, Paul Gress wrote:

On 08/ 4/10 02:26 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Paul Gress wrote:

Larry sees the profitable market as servers and databases.  HPC,  
won't help databases.  HPC (high performance computers) basically  
are derived from servers with additional components added to them  
to make them function as a workstation, this is my interpretation,  
I'm sure some one will probably correct me if I'm wrong.


There are certainly desktop High Performance Computing applications,  
but it's much more common for HPC nodes to be servers of some  
description.  Generally they're biased towards large amounts of CPU  
power, and/or have multiple GPU cards installed, to provide lots of  
computational speed.





Thanks for the added info.  In you opinion, does HPC have any benefit  
for database applications.  I imagine the high CPU count will but the  
GPU count won't, as in CUDA.  If this is true, why is Oracle not  
participating in any conferences or even updated their own web page (http://wikis.sun.com/display/HPCCommunity/Home 
), last updated on Oct 2009..


Paul
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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Matthias Pfützner]

I (Matthias Pfützner) wrote:
> And: BTW: Sun/Oracle also no longer sells Monitors,
> so, the only "desktop" HW currently are the Sun Rays...

Meant in the "traditional sense" of a real system at the desktop or
deskside...

And: Yes, there still are mouse and keyboards for the Sun Rays..., afaik...

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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Calum Benson]

On 5 Aug 2010, at 12:24, Calum Benson wrote:

> 
> On 5 Aug 2010, at 12:06, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:
> 
>>> I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called "I am OS", contrasted with "I am a PC" 
>>> and "I am a Mac"
>> 
>> - iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
> 
> The good news is that it isn't copyrighted by Apple. The bad news is that 
> it's copyrighted by Cisco, who granted Apple licence to use it :)

(And before anyone picks me up on it-- yes, I know "iOS" is actually a 
trademark, not a copyright.)

Cheeri,
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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Calum Benson]

On 5 Aug 2010, at 12:06, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote:

>> I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called "I am OS", contrasted with "I am a PC" 
>> and "I am a Mac"
> 
> - iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...

The good news is that it isn't copyrighted by Apple. The bad news is that it's 
copyrighted by Cisco, who granted Apple licence to use it :)



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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Dmitry G. Kozhinov]

This is great to have a community-driven OS/Net consolidation, but... what the 
point to do a "secret" preparation work and announce the project release date, 
if we still cannot see any information on illumos.org on how to build the 
OS/Net? Or maybe download any binary? We only know that the project exists.

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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Matthias Pfützner]

You (Ian Collins) wrote:
> On 08/ 5/10 06:32 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:
>>> The nVIDIA device driver is written by nVIDIA, not
>>> Oracle!
>>>
>>> Solaris/OpenSolaris is not specifically a Server or
>>> Workstation OS, it's an
>>> OS. People use it. Oracle/Sun currently only sells
>>> server-hardware. So, trying
>>> to derive from that fact, that Solaris/OpenSolaris is
>>> only a server OS is a
>>> conclusion done by someone. But, if people would be
>>> using Solaris/OpenSolaris
>>> more for Desktop, then that would be helping nVIDIA
>>> in porting/migrating (my
>>> guess).
>>>
>>>  
>> AFAIK, the Ultra 27 (fairly powerful x86 tower, notwithstanding the name)
>> and Sun Rays (thin client, used together with a server) are still sold,
>> so "Oracle/Sun currently only sells server-hardware" isn't accurate.
>>
>
> I thought the U27 had vanished form the portfolio, I couldn't find it on 
> sun.com last time I looked.

For those with a sunsolve account:

http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/validateUser.do?target=index

Select

Desktop/Workstations

and in the box to the right of that, where you could select the individual
systems, all are under the category "EOL Systems".


http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/validateUser.do?target=Systems/Ultra27/Ultra27

And: The Sun Rays themselves require a SERVER part, with DESKTOP
software. That's, why I said, that Solaris/OpenSolaris doesn't care, whether
you run it on a desktop hardware or on a server hardware, the software, that
you need, is part of it! And: BTW: Sun/Oracle also no longer sells Monitors,
so, the only "desktop" HW currently are the Sun Rays...

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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Dmitry G. Kozhinov]

>I suggest ImOS (yeah, that's called "I am OS", contrasted with "I am a PC" and 
>"I am a Mac"

- iOS ? (if not copyrighted already by Apple)...
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Re: [osol-discuss] New onnv distro naming suggestion

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Stellaris ?
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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Joerg Schilling]

Alan Coopersmith  wrote:

> Ivan Wang wrote:
> > You need a distro built upon it to actually benefit from illumos, plus 
> > things like X Windows stack (FOX gate?,)
>
> The FOX gate is obsolete and no longer maintained, since the project to
> replace all portions of the X consolidation with open source completed.
> The xnv-clone published by the X Consolidation project is fully open source,
> and is the exact source used in Nevada builds now.

Congratiolations!

> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+x-cons/


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Re: [osol-discuss] Access to Sun Studio tools for building ON is broken

[Chris Ridd]

On 5 Aug 2010, at 10:12, Ian Collins wrote:

> On 08/ 5/10 08:56 PM, Chavdar Ivanov wrote:
>>> On 4 Aug 2010, at 21:48, Maurilio Longo wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 Alasdair,
 
 what about this link
 
 
   
>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/sunst
>>> udio/downloads/studio12-update1-136165.html
>>> 
>>> Ohh, yes, that works perfectly! Nice, thanks :-)
>>> 
>> Not for me, any full SunStudio (Express downloaded fine, though).
>> 
>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/sunstudio/downloads/index.html
>>  still shows "Free Download"; from here onwards when I select any of the 
>> options to download, I am lead to the login page; using my personal 
>> credentials I always get "User not authorized" on 
>> http://sunsolve.sun.com/messageHandler.do ...
>>   
> 
> That's odd, it works for me with my subscription free login.  The patches are 
> still available as well.

I'm getting "User Not Authorized" for all SunStudio downloads - for the normal 
release and the patched releases needed for building OpenSolaris. Maybe there's 
something cached for my account and not yours?

It does however sound like some accidental web breakage rather than a policy 
change, which is reassuring. It'll be more reassuring once I can download it 
again, of course :-)

Cheers,

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Re: [osol-discuss] Access to Sun Studio tools for building ON is broken

[Ian Collins]

On 08/ 5/10 08:56 PM, Chavdar Ivanov wrote:

On 4 Aug 2010, at 21:48, Maurilio Longo wrote:

 

Alasdair,

what about this link


   

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/sunst
udio/downloads/studio12-update1-136165.html

Ohh, yes, that works perfectly! Nice, thanks :-)
 

Not for me, any full SunStudio (Express downloaded fine, though).

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/sunstudio/downloads/index.html still shows 
"Free Download"; from here onwards when I select any of the options to download, I am 
lead to the login page; using my personal credentials I always get "User not authorized" 
on http://sunsolve.sun.com/messageHandler.do ...
   


That's odd, it works for me with my subscription free login.  The 
patches are still available as well.


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Re: [osol-discuss] Access to Sun Studio tools for building ON is broken

[Chavdar Ivanov]

> On 4 Aug 2010, at 21:48, Maurilio Longo wrote:
> 
> > Alasdair,
> > 
> > what about this link
> > 
> >
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/sunst
> udio/downloads/studio12-update1-136165.html
> 
> Ohh, yes, that works perfectly! Nice, thanks :-)

Not for me, any full SunStudio (Express downloaded fine, though). 

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/sunstudio/downloads/index.html 
still shows "Free Download"; from here onwards when I select any of the options 
to download, I am lead to the login page; using my personal credentials I 
always get "User not authorized" on http://sunsolve.sun.com/messageHandler.do 
... 

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Re: [osol-discuss] The Illumos Project

[Ian Collins]

On 08/ 5/10 06:32 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:

The nVIDIA device driver is written by nVIDIA, not
Oracle!

Solaris/OpenSolaris is not specifically a Server or
Workstation OS, it's an
OS. People use it. Oracle/Sun currently only sells
server-hardware. So, trying
to derive from that fact, that Solaris/OpenSolaris is
only a server OS is a
conclusion done by someone. But, if people would be
using Solaris/OpenSolaris
more for Desktop, then that would be helping nVIDIA
in porting/migrating (my
guess).

 

AFAIK, the Ultra 27 (fairly powerful x86 tower, notwithstanding the name)
and Sun Rays (thin client, used together with a server) are still sold,
so "Oracle/Sun currently only sells server-hardware" isn't accurate.
   


I thought the U27 had vanished form the portfolio, I couldn't find it on 
sun.com last time I looked.


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