Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...
On 8/22/2010 5:47 PM, Jason wrote: On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:42 PM, John Plocherjohn.ploc...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/8/20 Matthias Pfütznermatth...@pfuetzner.de Let me add some numbers... ... that a high percentage might be working on Solaris might provide us with an approach to a number close to 1000 engineers... Of your 1000 engineers, maybe 100 were the senior leaders in innovation, vision, drive and ability. At Sun, the makeup of that club was exceedingly dynamic, to be sure, but it was a meritocracy - if you were *good* and had job/product/whatever performance to prove it, membership was open; nobody had to leave to make room for you. From what I have seen (and I have no visibility into the current numbers or membership), a significant number of the distinguished engineers and fellows that were there when Oracle took over have left. 30%? 50%? More? I don't know either, but the Names that are making the headlines all come from that small club... IM(ns)HO, losing that many top performing engineers to the competition will do more to harm Oracle in both the short and long run than anything that might conceivably happen due to premature product and feature exposure due to open source community involvement. Nobody really cares if a company lays off a bunch of its low level staff, but losing half of the technical leadership of a technical company is a disaster. Oracle may have bought the trademarks and rights to the code, but the real value of an acquisition is in the minds of those who produced the products in the first place - long term engineering excellence isn't a commodity that can be cheaply purchased or easily duplicated. Don't forget that the easiest way to make the books look better in the short term is to get rid of all those expensive engineers - you will immediately see a 10%-15% rise in profitability because you no longer have to pay the cost of development. Of course, after 24 to 36 months of coasting, you will be dead, but given the Street's myopic focus and short term memory, who cares? Just buy some other company and start everything over again... Of course, acquisition as your growth strategy has yet to be shown to work in the long terms as well... Not really. *Properly done* acquisition has a well-proven method of maintaining growth and a competitive advantage that larger companies often find hard to do organically. Cisco has a darned good track record of doing this. So do a couple of major financial institutions (even the current downturn notwithstanding). And, I think Warren Buffet would like to have a word with you on your opinion. That said, many of today's merges/buyouts/acquisitions are done for reasons other than growth, or are bungled badly. Time will tell if the rather pittance Oracle paid for Sun will prove to be well-spent. -- Erik Trimble Java System Support Mailstop: usca22-123 Phone: x17195 Santa Clara, CA ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS
I downloaded it out of curiosity. Looks like it's based on 2008.11 or close?! uname -a contains the string NexentaOS_20081207. The included FF is 3.0.5. The forum posts indicate this is a one man show. Upon boot of the live CD, it complains about Gnome not being installed properly, and I ran gimp (which took forever to load) and it's over two years old. All that together doesn't inspire me to put my eggs in this basket (yet). Have to see where it goes. The iso you downloaded is quite out of date. It is a rolling release now, so not a regular distro upgrade like OpenSolaris or Ubuntu. I believe the repo is going to be based on debian sid now, so it will be quite bleeding edge for Solaris, that part sounds great. Access to latest debian packages, yeehaa! I'm not sure about Xfce though, would have preferred KDE or Gnome myself. The problem is though, at the moment the latest StormOS iso is old and to update it you have to change the repository to the new one hail instead of hardy-hail as it's no longer based off hardy packages. The problem is, it's built on NCP 2, and updating to NCP 3 fails. Basically, unless I'm wrong (if so please tell me) we can't yet try out the latest StormsOS because the upgrade path is broken. Once StormOS have released a new iso based off NCP 3 with the latest repo + base packages, then we can give it a go. Hopefully it won't be long, I'm itching to try it out, not much else to do while we wait for illumos. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] snv_134 slow down every monday morning
Hello, I've got a bit of an odd bug with my OS NAS, every monday morning I come into work and I have to reboot it. SSH doesn't respond and nor does the CIFS shares. And the ping response times are very high! All the backup scripts I have feeding information into this machine run twice and day, every day. (I have no problems on any other day.) The backups midnight Sunday, early morning Monday run fine and after that the system seems to grid to a holt. I know it can still make outgoing connections as it connects to a remote server at 4am just fine. I've been through my crontab on my root user and my user account and removed everything that isn't my backup scripts. Yet still it happens! I should also say that the Sunday night backup is the lightest backup I do in a week, so theres no reason the load of that would do it. (it's less than 100mb combined, vs 5gb on a busy week day) Last week I decided to stagger all the backups by 15 minutes to make sure I wasn't overloading the machine in some way, had no effect. Is there some other set of scheduled tasks I should be looking for? Any ideas on how to debug it? Thanks! - Daniel Taylor ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] place yer bets on who leaves next...
We are sys admins of some Sun muchines we've sold to a customer in the Sun era. A T5120 with a ZFS mirror, had a disk fault, causing cyclic reset of the machine. Our hardware guy ran to the customer, disabled the disk and moved it out of the machine. Upon reboot the machine started normally, with the remaining disk. The customer had Sun Silver support. We called Oracle support to have a substitution disk (we had no spare part of that size): - 4 hours with a lady trying to find the support contract... - Finally we could talk with a technician, whose 1st response to the problem was: ...why do you run such a shitty hardware? why don't you just change it? (luckily we were not in open conversation with the customer..) - After sometimes of discussion, they told us they would send a techincian to put the new disk.2 days later! What if it was a mainboard crash??? - So, our hardware guy had hard times to convince them we did not need the technician but just the disk! We can do the work by ourselves!...but they did not wantdo you think I want an unknown technician to come to my customer and work on the machine??? At last, after almost one day, we had Oracle to send us the disk the next day, and we could resilver the machine Not much different than my experiences as an HP/Compaq end user over the years, even when the part is designated customer replaceable. You were lucky to get one so fast. I have waited weeks for a replacement disk - no stock available. I solved the issue by keeping a spares inventory. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Xclock is not starting
Hi, I have user who when start xclock from his id it comes up fine. But when he switch as oracle user and try to start Xclock. it fails saying Can't open display. There is also small script he executes after he switch as oracle user:- #!/bin/bash /usr/openwin/bin/xauth add DISPLAY=localhost:11.0 export DISPLAY -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Will this forum shut down?
...and will likely end up as dead as Oracle's own Sun forums are becoming. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS
I downloaded it out of curiosity. Looks like it's based on 2008.11 or close?! uname -a contains the string NexentaOS_20081207. The included FF is 3.0.5. The forum posts indicate this is a one man show. Upon boot of the live CD, it complains about Gnome not being installed properly, and I ran gimp (which took forever to load) and it's over two years old. All that together doesn't inspire me to put my eggs in this basket (yet). Have to see where it goes. well...If your intertested in something newer then i recommend Nexenta Core 3 b134f it's based of Opensoalris 134 but you will need to do some tweaking to inorder to get the gui running after it's installed. first follow the directions in installing the xorg, gnome,etc: http://www.nexenta.org/projects/site/wiki/FAQ#head-349d597361c796def36b8c424cc96a85682f3512 excerp: Desktop: Where's Xorg, Gnome, ...? Nexenta aims to be a solid core platform (CLI), but we do have xorg, Gnome2, XFCE4 and others in our repository. To get a WM wroking: First install xorg and configure it: apt-get install xorg Xorg -configure Not all of Gnome is in the repository, but most of it is. For Gnome, run: apt-get install gnome-core apt-get install ubuntu-artwork( for some artwork) if you try startx it will return this error: x: unable to determine if running on a console x: user not authorized to run the x server aborting to fix that you need to run as root and choose anybody from the menu, insted of console dpkg-reconfigure x11-common to run firefox: apt-get install firefox if you try to run it, it will return the error: ld.so.1: firefox: fatal: libjemalloc.so: open failed: no such file or directory the work around is: install xulrunner-1.9, and ln -s /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.0.5/libjemalloc.so /usr/lib/libjemalloc.so that is as far i got will contiune get familized with it later on:-) http://judebert.com/progress/archives/158-Starting-a-Stealth-X-Server-Display.html https://bugs.launchpad.net/nexenta/+bug/335267 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS
oops, i forgot to add that apt-get update needs to be executed first to be able to install from the repos:-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
There is a need to start an independent forum before the decision is made to kill this forum...any ideas or sponsors? Do we carry ads to pay for it? Anyone know anyone at Adobe? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
There is a need to start an independent forum before the decision is made to kill this forum...any ideas or sponsors? Do we carry ads to pay for it? Anyone know anyone at Adobe?Google non profit services? seems like somebody already started one but don't know if it is still active http://www.freelists.org/list/osol-discuss -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] How to change Memory Placement Optimization tunable parameters using mdb
Hi, Please let me know how to change MPO tunable parameters using mdb on my AMD Opteron machine running OpenSolaris 2009.06. For example, how to change lgrp_mem_default_policy to LGRP_MEM_POICY_RANDOM. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Measuring cost of TLB misses
On 08/20/10 21:21, Kishore Kumar Pusukuri wrote: Hi, I am able to measure TLB miss-rate of a multi-threaded application running on my multi-core AMD Opteron machine by reading performance monitoring event counters using cpustat utility. However, I would like to measure the amount of time spent on TLB misses? Specifically, I am looking a way like the utility trapstat functions. Please share your ideas. TLB miss costs (e.g. page table walk) costs can be estimated by writing code that misses in both cache and tlb, and comparing steady state performance to that of otherwise similar code that misses only in cache. Keep in mind that different size pages may take different amounts of time, and that modern processors do an amazing job of predicting access patterns - so attempts to miss in cache will prob. need some random component. You may find http://icl.cs.utk.edu/projectsfiles/hpcc/RandomAccess/ to be interesting reading... - Bart -- Bart Smaalders Solaris Kernel Performance bart.smaald...@oracle.com http://blogs.sun.com/barts You will contribute more with mercurial than with thunderbird. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] from anonymous - 50 plus year old
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/07/14/1448209/OpenSolaris-Governing-Board-Closing-Shop?from=rss This is not verified nor confirmed. If this is so, then Oracle appears to be a culture of 'control freaks.' former licensed professional engineer with OFFICER status - multi state in professional engineering organizations. Sometimes you have to 'bite the bullet' and dissolve. Death before dishonor. Solaris formerly certified. Wall Street and other industries. other I.T. including system engineer. Wall Street with it's many Sun now Oracle OS and Cray - Sun - Oracle supercomputers should BE YOUR ALLIES. negotiate as much as you can. BUT 'the VOLUNTEERS' board are in a difficult position. WHY is this stupid? SECURITY. it's solaris versus BSD. see recent kernel bug unpatched for Linux. solaris and RISC chip may be a good combo. But BUSINESS profits - perhaps MICROSOFT and 'windoze code' will REIGN SUPREME. likely google and NON-RELATIONAL databases against 'oracle database' or even IBM database. will oracle need sun and solaris? Why not get rid of JAVA and other 'non-essential personnel' in Oracle? Outsource to India software and even Africa software? it may be a lot cheaper there. fair disclosure: I may be uninformed, just read it on slashdot. But short term thinking appears to triumph. example: New Orleans and Hurricane Katrina. Plane photos show 'cracks' and even TREES and vegetation grown on and IN THE LEVEES. the RAILROAD left the 'flood gate open' on the train tracks. Water hit the POWER STATION next door. No electric means no flood pumps. No electric means NO PHONES. read the TWO engineering reports. people drown. Is the FLOOD (rhetorical) coming? anonymous - not presently with Oracle. PC means INTEL close to monopoly. Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system Per maggiori informazioni |For more info https://www.mixmaster.it ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris kernel based desktop - StormOS
Hi, I'm the guy that created StormOS and apart from a friend of mine that does the graphics it's a one man show. All ~2000 packages in the repository were put there by myself. The ISO's on the site are _very_ out of date since I decided that my effort would be best spent fixing the underlying system (Nexenta Core Platform) instead of trying to release more ISOs that would look nice but be broken (and very old) underneath. Once the repo is complete enough to debootstrap from I'll push out a new ISO which will essentially be a Debian Sid based GNU/OpenSolaris OS. From there we can bring over the nicer things like GNOME, etc. If you want to use the repo as it stands you should use it with NCP3. Don't forget to use apt-clone to install packages so you can roll-back if something breaks. There is not much in there for the average user right now but there is a boat load of libraries and packages that you'll need to build Debian Sid packages. Andy On 23 August 2010 08:25, Euan Thoms e...@potensol.com wrote: I downloaded it out of curiosity. Looks like it's based on 2008.11 or close?! uname -a contains the string NexentaOS_20081207. The included FF is 3.0.5. The forum posts indicate this is a one man show. Upon boot of the live CD, it complains about Gnome not being installed properly, and I ran gimp (which took forever to load) and it's over two years old. All that together doesn't inspire me to put my eggs in this basket (yet). Have to see where it goes. The iso you downloaded is quite out of date. It is a rolling release now, so not a regular distro upgrade like OpenSolaris or Ubuntu. I believe the repo is going to be based on debian sid now, so it will be quite bleeding edge for Solaris, that part sounds great. Access to latest debian packages, yeehaa! I'm not sure about Xfce though, would have preferred KDE or Gnome myself. The problem is though, at the moment the latest StormOS iso is old and to update it you have to change the repository to the new one hail instead of hardy-hail as it's no longer based off hardy packages. The problem is, it's built on NCP 2, and updating to NCP 3 fails. Basically, unless I'm wrong (if so please tell me) we can't yet try out the latest StormsOS because the upgrade path is broken. Once StormOS have released a new iso based off NCP 3 with the latest repo + base packages, then we can give it a go. Hopefully it won't be long, I'm itching to try it out, not much else to do while we wait for illumos. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express
On 08/23/10 11:06 AM, Edward Martinez wrote: There is a need to start an independent forum before the decision is made to kill this forum...any ideas or sponsors? Do we carry ads to pay for it? Anyone know anyone at Adobe?Google non profit services? seems like somebody already started one but don't know if it is still active http://www.freelists.org/list/osol-discuss I believe I joined that list, haven't seen any traffic from it. And I'm still using osol snv_134 until it's replacement (Oracle 11 express) comes along... ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] snv_134 slow down every monday morning
What exactly are your backup scripts doing? Have you run a zpool scrub on your pool(s), and do so regularly? Do you have a mirror or other RAID config? Have you tried going one Sunday without any of your backups running to see if they're the culprit? Details may help someone help you. My 134 desktop is backed up every night with Veritas and it's stable. Plus it's an NFS client and server and NIS client and is used by several people all day. The platform seems stable, so perhaps your hardware can't handle the backup stress or there's some major problem with your ZFS pool. Only speculating. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
