Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
> On Tuesday 14th September, we will be unveiling > OpenIndiana – an > exciting new distribution of OpenSolaris! > > OpenIndiana is a continuation of the OpenSolaris > operating system. the news of this great milestone is already hitting the news wave and i think this event will be 100x better then openworld :-) excerpt: "he formal announcement of the launch of Project OpenIndiana will be made tomorrow (September 14, UK time), nicely timed to take place about a week ahead of Oracle's OpenWorld conference in the US." http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/41808-opensolaris-fork-to-be-announced http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/10/openindiana_launch/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of No Real Name > > This would only matter if they were still worth doing development for. > It's not a wise investment of time at this point, and probably never > will be again. This matters to dimwit suit wearing fracktards, but to > everyone else it's pretty irrelevant in the bigger picture. You're reply has no context, except in the web interface. If you'd like to engage in active conversation, you'll need to quote what you're replying to, so email users are able to know what you're talking about. But then again, you're using weirdo words like "fracktards," which are probably inflammatory and unintelligent anyway, so it's probably not worth even the reply I gave it. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] NetApp and Oracle settle patent dispute over ZFS
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of russell > > Given that computer software is just a series of mathematical > operations expressed in a form that can be interpreted by a processor, > I find the whole concept of software patents less than original. Given that hardware design is done in software languages such as HDL, I guess your argument could be extended to say that there is no such thing as a patentable piece of software or hardware invention. Good luck pushing that uninteresting and limited point of view. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
> Now, instead of my students seeing ORACLE > on their workstations, they will see UBUNTU. Their > call. Seems absolutely self defeating to me but I > guess we do not count. If that is the case I will > just move on. Pay for what I can still afford and > just turn my back on what I have really grown to > enjoy. > > Let me tell you how sick I am of going back to > etc/init.d eww Ubuntu,(please excuse me if that is your favorite distro.) may i suggest to wait till tuesday to see if you like OpenIndiana, i understand it's the continuation of opensolris at b147 and if you like that install it on your students workstations, and if you have to use linux, i recommend my favorite distro: Gentoo linux:-) http://www.gentoo.org/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
> As far as ORACLE offers OS and other SUN's > technologies for free to use it and develop, > I'm happy with that and believe most of the people. > If it is not enough for some developer > then, I personally congratulate to him/her, and I > believe that ORACLE would be more than > happy to become their Senior Engineer employee. > Hope I was clear with my thoughts. they offer those software for free, only for evaluation use only but if you want to use them in production you have to buy either a license and/ or a subscription and they are not cheap, i'm sure i can't afford them. I think now It's a hard time for being a solaris kernel developer and companies using solaris code, unless they pay up, since newer solaris source code is no longer being made available to download. it was good thing that illumos came about, i think many companies using solaris code and solaris kernel devs will join illumos:-). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
On 12 Sep 2010, at 20:59, Hillel Lubman wrote: > Ken Mays wrote: > >> So far, the OpenIndiana distro is a 'rock solid' solution and >> a great evolution from the Opensolaris project. > > Great news. Will it be possible to upgrade existing installation of > OpenSolaris snv_134 to OpenIndiana, or it will require a fresh install? Upgrades work perfectly :-) It's just a case of adding the OpenIndiana repo, setting --non-sticky on opensolaris.org, and doing an image-update. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
Ken Mays wrote: > So far, the OpenIndiana distro is a 'rock solid' solution and > a great evolution from the Opensolaris project. Great news. Will it be possible to upgrade existing installation of OpenSolaris snv_134 to OpenIndiana, or it will require a fresh install? Thanks, Hillel. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
I think you may be right but I can't take that chance. I run websites and databases for 'real' institutions that would be monitored for license infringements (even if my applications are non-commercial and they institutions are non-commercial). If I were running this out of my house then I would do as you say, but as I am affiliated with other entities that are 'checked' for compliance i can not afford to take that chance. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
Yes, I have my own licensed srss 4.2, I want to install it on newer versions of opensolaris. I have tried to shoe horn it with what I have found online but most of the hints and tricks stop at 2009 /06 for example http://wiki.sun-rays.org/index.php/SRSS_4.1_on_OpenSolaris_2008.11#OpenSolaris_2009.06 They do have additions on how to get it going in later versions but I have not been able to get it to run. I would really like it to just install and run and not get borked everytime I update. But as I said, this is a pretty specific hope so I know there are bigger fish to fry right now. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
Huh? I have got Srss 4.2 running on b134 for a long time. It is documented on the internet how to make it run. What is your problem, what happened and what are the symptoms? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
However, I got read speed for NTFS is like 3MB/sec. Not really useable for much data. But of course, it is good to be able to read small documents. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
I just hope that OpenIndiana will intergrate the Heirloom tools rather than completely GNU-ifying the userland like Nexenta. Mike ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
ON_147 is good enough for the initial Tuesday release of the OpenIndiana distro. The Illumos patch updates to ON_147 is planned for the following OpenIndiana distro release in Oct 2010. If you want to use the Illumos patched ON-147+ kernel release, you can give the Schillix 0.7.1i server distro a try. Both distros are very reliable for enterprise server usage within data centers and for daily desktop usage (moreso OpenIndiana for desktops/workstations/laptops). Handle as you would with an BETA OS distro in the data center (or home use). So far, the OpenIndiana distro is a 'rock solid' solution and a great evolution from the Opensolaris project. ~ Ken Mays --- On Sat, 9/11/10, Orvar Korvar wrote: > From: Orvar Korvar > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution! > To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 6:58 PM > This is interesting. b147 you say? > Cool! > > It is not based on illumos. When will it be based on > illumos? > -- > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
Again agree, but with few additional thoughts. I was looking how many people outside SUN actually has been delivering source into Nevada? Not so much, actually. For *any* develiper, starting to do bugfix-ing, for example, is very hards since it has to learn a lot of stuffs before any real coding begun. The *real* benefit of open-souced Solaris was for other companies since theirengineers could learn new technology for *free*, even incorporating it into their OS-es or embedded systems. I hold that I know software engineering, even thought I'm telecommunications engineer, and it took so much of my time learning how some stuffs work. Linux is open source but who are developers developing it? Predominantly software engineers interested in some features they would like to add to Linux so *their* products could work. Since they have to release everything under GPL - it means that they have to share it with others so other company's engineers could improve/modify it and use it for benefits of their own company. At the end of the story it is just different business model than one with licenses.I still believe that it is more advanced that "traditional" one, but in Solaris case maybe it is not - there are not so much stakeholders willing to improve Solaris as there are stakeholders willing to incorporate pieces of Solaris existing source code into their products. Personally, I'm at least 5 years far from the phase when I will know *each* system call, whole mechanics inside ZFS, and other stuffs already outsourced. As far as ORACLE offers OS and other SUN's technologies for free to use it and develop, I'm happy with that and believe most of the people. If it is not enough for some developer then, I personally congratulate to him/her, and I believe that ORACLE would be more than happy to become their Senior Engineer employee. Hope I was clear with my thoughts. Regards, Uros Nedic Belgrade, Serbia > Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 14:29:39 +0200 > From: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de > To: ur...@live.com; unixcons...@yahoo.com; > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org; kjard...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license > > Uros Nedic wrote: > >> >> If would Solaris Express follow some regular release cycle, (half a year, >> for example) >> then some of us could adapt ourselves to use binary-only releases, and form >> UGs around >> Solaris Express releases. > > I believe that binary distros have been accepted only because there was > source. > > By stopping source updated, Oracle may have aroused things that did never > happen the way Sun did manage OpenSolaris. > > Jörg > > -- > EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin > j...@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) > joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ > URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
Uros Nedic wrote: > > If would Solaris Express follow some regular release cycle, (half a year, for > example) > then some of us could adapt ourselves to use binary-only releases, and form > UGs around > Solaris Express releases. I believe that binary distros have been accepted only because there was source. By stopping source updated, Oracle may have aroused things that did never happen the way Sun did manage OpenSolaris. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
On 12 Sep 2010, at 12:57, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Daniel Kjar wrote: > >> Will it be compatible with the newest sunray software (srss 5 (4.2))? > > AFAIK, the Sunray server is closed source and cannot be redistributed. > > If this is true, the related code cannot be made part of a free distro. > > I believe the most important current problem is the fact that OpenSolaris is > not yet self hosting. You cannot yet compile the ONNV code using freely > redistributable and OSS based code. I am working on this problem and there > will > be a new SchilliX distro soon that allows to recompile ONNV or Illumos. Hi Joerg, I think Daniel meant "Can Sunray server be run on OpenIndiana", not "Can Sunray server be compiled and distributed with OpenIndiana". The former is possible, the latter is obviously not since its closed source software. In theory Oracle 11g database should run on OpenIndiana, for example. Cheers, Alasdair ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenIndiana - a new OpenSolaris Distribution!
Daniel Kjar wrote: > Will it be compatible with the newest sunray software (srss 5 (4.2))? AFAIK, the Sunray server is closed source and cannot be redistributed. If this is true, the related code cannot be made part of a free distro. I believe the most important current problem is the fact that OpenSolaris is not yet self hosting. You cannot yet compile the ONNV code using freely redistributable and OSS based code. I am working on this problem and there will be a new SchilliX distro soon that allows to recompile ONNV or Illumos. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license
If would Solaris Express follow some regular release cycle, (half a year, for example) then some of us could adapt ourselves to use binary-only releases, and form UGs around Solaris Express releases. As I said once in one of mine previous posts, if Larry wants to give some money in charity purposes, then he could certainly sponsor something which is tightly related to its main business - UGs infrastructure. What I mean by that - he could say that each ORACLE representative has to give some meeting room when they are not using in it, once a week, just for UGs activities for 2-3h. He could sponsor artwork of Solaris Express, production of CDs, so we could give them to the people, T-Shirts, laptop stickers, panels, etc. UGs have no funds to sponsor it. What we can do is to organize ourselves and others to promote Solaris Express, and speak about technologies it offers. It is again win-win position, we are learning about new stuffs and ORACLE increases impact of its technologies. Uros NedicBelgrade, Serbia > Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:46:53 -0700 > From: unixcons...@yahoo.com > To: kjard...@yahoo.com; opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license > > Hi, > > I really think people like you are reading too much into the license and over > reacting. So Oracle is going to give Solaris, Solaris Express, etc away for > free > for non-Production use. They say things like it's free for development, > testing, > etc. Why is this not flexible enough? Hell, just say you're writing a script > or > compiling stuff. Do you really think Oracle has time to chase after every > single > copy out there??? I mean come on! You're over reacting like tin-foil hat > paranoid freaktards! > > The bottom line is that Oracle wants people to pay if they are using it for > PRODUCTION USE! Will they expect people to pay for updates? I have no doubt > they'll charge support contacts for people who will want daily IPS depot > updates. What's wrong with that? Is that any different from RHEL or AIX? Just > because they don't specifically list using it as a desktop, home media server, > or a toaster, doesn't mean they are after you for money or going to take you > to > court. I think some people are taking this license too literally, and that's > just plain stupid. I've read it enough times to say I see nothing wrong with > SA's, developers, testers, enthusiasts using it. So what's the big deal??? > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Octave J. Orgeron > Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant > Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com > E-Mail: unixcons...@yahoo.com > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > > > - Original Message > From: Daniel Kjar > To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > Sent: Sat, September 11, 2010 7:37:52 PM > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10,Oracle Solaris Express new license > > To give you an idea of how self destructive this is, I am now moving all of my > operations to ubuntu (not my opensolaris desktop/file server though!). Today I > was able to get my sunrays running on 9.10 and tomorrow I will move them up to > 10.04. I can buy licenses for my sunrays for 100 dollars a pop, and patches > from oracle for 100 dollars a year. I cannot afford 2000 dollars a year for my > Blade and my X2200 for solaris. I would use it if I could but since I saw that > license today I am out of luck and will remove solaris from all of my > computers. I hope one of the new openindianas is straight up compatible with > srss 4.2 but I can't count on it. I am running an older version of 10 on my > x2200 so I should still be ok with the license for the moment. > > I am a professor and all of my work is non-commercial and I require no support > besides security updates. I would pay for those just as I pay for them with my > sunrays. Now, instead of my students seeing ORACLE on their workstations, they > will see UBUNTU. Their call. Seems absolutely self defeating to me but I guess > we do not count. If that is the case I will just move on. Pay for what I can > still afford and just turn my back on what I have really grown to enjoy. > > > Let me tell you how sick I am of going back to etc/init.d > -- > This message posted from opensolaris.org > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org > > > > > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
