Re: [osol-discuss] /var/pkg/download

2009-07-04 Thread Lurie
It really depends on how many BEs  snapshots you have, if you don't have many, 
just remove the content of that dir in BEs  snapshots. Otherwise I have no 
idea what the clean solution is.
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Re: [osol-discuss] CAN'T INSTALL A ZONE FOR 2 DAYS

2009-07-03 Thread Lurie
Try switching to /dev, it works.
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Re: [osol-discuss] CAN'T INSTALL A ZONE FOR 2 DAYS

2009-07-03 Thread Lurie
 BTW, it timed out exporting those variables, so
 essentially, even though SUN says OpenSolaris is fit
 for the datacenter you would be *$#ed if you needed
 to build zones.

As far as I know, this will be fixed by providing the repository as a 
downloadable image. But, if you really are running a critical operation, then 
either use SCXE or buy support from Sun in which case you'd use a different 
repository. Remember that OpenSolaris is still very much a work in progress.
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Re: [osol-discuss] IPS 117 won't boot

2009-06-30 Thread Lurie
See for example this: 
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=106836tstart=0
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Re: [osol-discuss] ZSH with OpenSolaris

2009-06-24 Thread Lurie
 Why not give up on the imitations, and go for the
 real thing - ksh93?

ksh93 might be good as a scripting language, but NOT a good desktop shell in my 
opinion, while zsh is ideal :)

 You want over-the top character-based hand-holding,
 use Midnight Commander.

already using it for many years...
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Re: [osol-discuss] java performance

2009-06-23 Thread Lurie
In my projects, it was the other way around, the compilation times in 
OpenSolaris were lower than in Linux.
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Re: [osol-discuss] When development repository will be updated?

2009-06-20 Thread Lurie
 As someone else already mentioned a new build should
 be available  today or tomorrow.
 

Apparently not :( Oh well, maybe next week.. :)
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Re: [osol-discuss] ZSH with OpenSolaris

2009-06-19 Thread Lurie
I also use zsh on OpenSolaris, and it's awesome ;)
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Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-16 Thread Lurie
 And you're waiting for the ARC review to do that?  I
 haven't looked too closely but I'm not generally aware 
 of any security problems introduced by pfexec in OpenSolaris. 

By default OpenSolaris gives the default user adminstrator privileges, allowing 
any program run by that user to execute anything it wants to with root rights 
(just fork a new process with pfexec ... ...)
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Re: [osol-discuss] R statistics package for OpenSolaris?

2009-06-09 Thread Lurie
R is not in the repositories. You have to download the sources and compile 
them on your own (I tried, it all works without patching).
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Re: [osol-discuss] powertop errors on snv_112

2009-05-06 Thread Lurie
IPS  snv_112 ? The latest there is 111a. If you mean 111a, then try running:
% pfexec pkg verify SUNWpowertop

As for me powertop shows 2009...
% ls -l /usr/bin/amd64/powertop
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 62968 2009-04-24 09:46 /usr/bin/amd64/powertop
% ls -l /usr/bin/i86/powertop
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 50628 2009-03-27 02:49 /usr/bin/i86/powertop
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Re: [osol-discuss] when gtk+ update to 2.12 or above

2009-04-28 Thread Lurie
murrina engine compiles just fine for me.. I've compiled the svn version... :
% svn checkout http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk/ murrine 
% cd murrine  ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
% gmake
...
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Re: [osol-discuss] upgrade to snv_112 - the bar which is have minimize/maximize/close button

2009-04-26 Thread Lurie
$ svccfg -s application/opengl/ogl-select \
setprop options/vendor = nvidia
$ svcadm restart application/opengl/ogl-select
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Re: [osol-discuss] upgrade to snv_112 - the bar which is have minimize/maximize/close button

2009-04-26 Thread Lurie
Log out, then select Options-Safe terminal session
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Re: [osol-discuss] upgrade to snv_112 - the bar which is have minimize/maximize/close button

2009-04-26 Thread Lurie
Hmm, as I understand the problem is that *compiz* is not running, if you 
disable compiz, then metacity would run by default. See 
http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6822628 , it shows as fixed in 
OpenSolaris 2009.06 b111a, I don't know what's the SXCE build this fix went in 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Build 111a: /kernel/genunix missing on a 64 bit system

2009-04-24 Thread Lurie
 Installed OpenSolaris 2009.06 build 111a on a 64 bit
 system.  Found that 
 file /kernel/genunix doesn't exist. While on build
 111, that file is 
 still there.
 
 Is this a problem or a new feature?
 
Is it a new install or upgrade ? It definitely should be there as it's a part 
of SUNWckr package (I'm running 111a and both /kernel/genunix and 
/kernel/amd64/genunix are present)
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Re: [osol-discuss] system perfomence-bootloader prblem

2009-04-19 Thread Lurie
 Problem 1 :
 It's normal on my computer opensolaris lunching about
 1.5 minute , and shutting downo about 4 minutes .
 It shouldn't suprise most services in opensolaris are
 responsible for network or security  :)
 
 It's price that we pay for stability and security :)

In latest dev builds, shutdown takes 7 seconds :)
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Re: [osol-discuss] compile pidgin - configure successfully, make with no luck

2009-04-17 Thread Lurie
Did you export them ?
i.e.
export CC=suncc
export CXX=CC
./configure 

P.S. You might want to update to b111, it already has Pidgin 2.5.5 installed...
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Re: [osol-discuss] compile pidgin - configure successfully, make with no luck

2009-04-17 Thread Lurie
 as I have mentioned before, The pidgin in the IPS
 does not support QQ, which is very famous among
 Chinese, because the QQ is not an open source
 protocol. So I have to compile the pidgin from source
 to get QQ support. The version is not important.

Ah, right, I wonder why OpenSolaris doesn't ship with all the plugins...
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Re: [osol-discuss] Apps of Steel Challenge!

2009-04-15 Thread Lurie
 Have you filed bugs on the dtrace toolkit issues (if in fact they
 actually exist)?  I'd be pretty surprised if they didn't work.  The
 networking stack in OpenSolaris is identical to the one in SXCE as is
 dtracetoolkit.

I filed it two months ago...
http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=6568
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Re: [osol-discuss] A Cool Solaris TV Commercial to cheer everyone up :-)

2009-04-15 Thread Lurie
That's a really good advertisement!
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Re: [osol-discuss] Heat problem w/ Lenovo T60p

2009-04-13 Thread Lurie
 Maybe with the new PAD support (cpupm enabled in
 event-mode) the kernel is able to switch back to
 the highest cpu frequency *much* faster (= event
 driven), so that kstat cpu_info:::current_clock_Hz now
 always reports the highest cpu frequency?
 
 (That is, monitoring the kstat cpu_info current_clock_Hz 
 isn't valid any more to find out if cpu power management 
 is working -- use powertop instead)

With cpupm in event-mode, the fan on my Lenovo T61 definitely
kicks in more often, I just tried browsing for 15-20 minutes with
different modes, in poll mode during this time the fan kicked in just
once, while in event-mode it kicked in at least 7 times.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Heat problem w/ Lenovo T60p

2009-04-13 Thread Lurie
  Both ac[] and al[] don't look this interesting to
 me...
 
 Yep, there are no threshold temperatures defined,
 so that tzp-current_level will never change and
 always remains at -1 (so the code will never call
 tzmon_set_power() to enable / disable any fans).
 

On Lenovo T61:

ac = [ 0x, 0x, 0x, 0x ]
al = [
{
Length = 0
Pointer = 0
}
...

and the following ACPI errors in the log:
http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=6964
http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6820829
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Re: [osol-discuss] Heat problem w/ Lenovo T60p

2009-04-13 Thread Lurie
 Not having temperatures defined in the ac array
 could be ok, when the BIOS is able to control the
 fans without help from the operating system.
 Is your T61 overheating, too?

Nope, the average temp. of the two cores is 46C.

 http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=6964
 http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6820829
 
 These look bad.  Is this from a debug kernel?
 Or from a standard release kernel?

Standard release kernel
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Re: [osol-discuss] Password Safe for OpenSolaris?

2009-04-12 Thread Lurie
I suggest you to try KeePass (on Windows) and KeePassX on OpenSolaris (you'll 
have to compile gcc4.3/4, q4.5 and KeePassX though, but they're usually needed 
anyway...)

I recently compiled the latest version of keepassx with success (had to tweak 
the compile flags to have -include keepassx.h and make moc include that as 
well in the generated files.
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[osol-discuss] Your favourite shell tips tricks

2009-04-09 Thread Lurie
Recently moved to zsh, here's a part of my a current configuration (PATH, 
PKG_CONFIG_PATH, etc.. missing), maybe someone will find it useful.

What about you, OpenSolaris users, shows us some nice tips for your favourite 
shell :)

.zshrc

HISTFILE=~/.histfile
HISTSIZE=1000
SAVEHIST=1000
LS_COLORS=no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=40;31;01:ex=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.deb=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.ppm=01;35:*.tga=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.mpg=01;35:*.avi=01;35:*.fli=01;35:*.gl=01;35:*.dl=01;35:

autoload -Uz compinit
compinit

autoload -Uz colors
colors

setopt autocd extendedglob notify
zstyle :compinstall filename '/export/home/tau/.zshrc'
zstyle ':completion:*:*:*:*:processes' menu yes select
zstyle ':completion:*:*:*:*:processes' force-list always
zstyle ':completion:*' insert-unambiguous true
zstyle ':completion:*' list-colors ${(s.:.)LS_COLORS}
compdef pkill=kill

bindkey '^[[3~' delete-char

PROMPT='%B%F{green}%n%f%b:[%B%F{blue}%c%f%b] %# '

alias ls=ls --color=auto
alias ll=ls --color=auto -l
alias pg=ps -ef | grep #requires an argument
alias un=tar -zxvf
alias unj=tar -jxvf
alias prst=prstat -a
alias conf=./configure --prefix=/opt/own
alias pkgupdate=pfexec pkg refresh --full  pfexec pkg image-update 
--no-refresh
alias pkgextra=pkg list -a 'pkg://extra/*'
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Re: [osol-discuss] [tools-compilers] gcc 4.3.3 for OpenSolaris x86

2009-04-08 Thread Lurie
 Took a bit of your advice and having a go with
 binutils. However I cannot compile ffmepg svn 18335
 with the new ld from bintutils. Can you please have
 alook and tell if you can where this is oging wrong.
 I'm using /tmp/gcc/bin/ld but cannot figure out where
 or why it calls /usr/ccs/bin/ld when linking
 libavdevice and crashes.

It should call /usr/ccs/bin/ld because this is fixed at the time you built the 
gcc, remember the --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld and --with-no-gnuld options ? Also 
note, you have to build binutils *before* gcc, and add --with-as=... option ...

 
 binutils buitl with:
 pre=/tmp/gcc
 export CC=/opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc
 ./configure --prefix=${pre}
 
 ffmpeg built using:
 export CC=/opt/sfw/bin/gcc
 export CXX=/opt/sfw/bin/g++

 export CFLAGS=-O4
 export CXXFLAGS=-O4

try to not set these, as you override ffmpeg's default flags which is not a 
good idea, ffmpeg compiles and links just fine for me (with gcc4.4+asm from 
binutils-2.19.1 and /usr/ccs/bin/ld as the linker)
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Re: [osol-discuss] running benchmark hard locks opensolaris

2009-04-06 Thread Lurie
  Can you try the release OpenSolaris 2008.11 ? 
 
 being masochistic, I d/l'ed Realease and wiped the
 Sidux install I painstakingly had all ready to go
 with RAID5. 

But you had RAID disabled for OpenSolaris, right ?

 Fresh run Blogbench on default 2008.11 install:
 
 Final score for writes: 273
 Final score for reads : 14116
 
 Dramtic difference! (Although reads still are close
 to being last place for all OS's tested)

Yeah, odd about both the reads and the writes I'd say. I'll try again the test 
when b112 comes out and see how fast it performs then as the zfs bug should be 
fixed in that build.
In the mean time I'd suggest you to file a bug.
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Re: [osol-discuss] [tools-compilers] gcc 4.3.3 for OpenSolaris x86

2009-04-06 Thread Lurie
Hey, I compiled a working 4.4 version just fine with the following flags:
$ gcc -v
Using built-in specs.
Target: i386-pc-solaris2.11
Configured with: ./configure --prefix=/opt/gcc/gcc-4.4 
--with-as=/opt/gcc/binutils-2.19/bin/as --with-gnu-as --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld 
--without-gnu-ld --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable-shared 
--with-mpfr-include=/usr/include/mpfr --with-gmp-include=/usr/include/gmp 
LDFLAGS=-lgmp --enable-multilib
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.4.0 20090327 (prerelease) (GCC)

Before you do that, configure, compile, install binutils-2.19 with 
--prefix=/opt/gcc/binutils-2.19 

And I assume you already have mpfr and gmp installed (via pkg in development 
builds)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Anyone interested in maths or science as a hobby? (Mathematica on Solaris)

2009-04-06 Thread Lurie
Uhm ?
Mathematica has been available for Solaris 10 x64 for quite a while now (I know 
I've been trying 5.x on OpenSolaris)
http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/platforms/

Nowadays I just use MAXIMA, which is opensource...
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Re: [osol-discuss] Anyone interested in maths or science as a hobby? (Mathematica on Solaris)

2009-04-06 Thread Lurie
 exp ( ln(1.001) * (2^27) )[1]
 Which *should* be the same as 1.001 squared 27
 times.

$ uname -v
snv_110

$ maxima
Maxima 5.16.3 http://maxima.sourceforge.net
Using Lisp SBCL 1.0.23
Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING.
Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter.
The function bug_report() provides bug reporting information.
(%i1) exp (log(1.001) * (2^27) );
(%o1)  674530.4760270637
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Re: [osol-discuss] Anyone interested in maths or science as a hobby? (Math

2009-04-06 Thread Lurie
 I can do this with bc -l, too.  Even pasting it into
 google gives an answer of sorts.

yeah, it's a trivial calculation, the point of my post was that MAXIMA is an 
opensource alternative to Wolfram's Mathematica (i.e. focus on symbolic 
computations, but is just as good handling numeric calculations as well).
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Re: [osol-discuss] Anyone interested in maths or science as a hobby? (Math

2009-04-06 Thread Lurie
 Right.  Googling a bit also found Octave, and maybe
 others. I couldn't begin to comment on how the various free
 vs commercial products compare, or for what purposes.

Yeah. although Octave (which I have installed as well) is an alternative
to MATLAB which deals mostly with numerical calculations, and Octave
lacks any symbolic computations support which are the spotlights of 
Mathematica and MAXIMA.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Anyone interested in maths or science as a hobby? (Math

2009-04-06 Thread Lurie
 
   exp ( ln(1.001) * (2^27) )[1]

  (%i1) exp (log(1.001) * (2^27) );
  (%o1)  674530.4760270637
 
 And maxima would be wrong by at least .0052.

What ? Can you show me the command you run in Mathematica to get the correct 
result ?

 Lastly, the software they are making available to Windows users,
 Linux users and Mac users is NOT available to Solaris users unless
 they want to fork out well over $3000.

Just write them an email explaining your desire to use Mathematica on 
OpenSolaris for the personal use, they're a friendly bunch last I talked to 
them.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Anyone interested in maths or science as a hobby? (Math

2009-04-06 Thread Lurie
 (%i1) exp (log(1.001) * (2^27) );
 (%o1) 674530.4760270637

 And maxima would be wrong by at least .0052.

Here you go, had to login to a linux machine running mathematica...

In[5]:= SetPrecision[SetPrecision[1.001,10]^(2^27),100]

Out[5]= 674530.47602706407027793197206421845263783142259940138702038470170721\
 
14035515188426833725949433145994
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Re: [osol-discuss] Anyone interested in maths or science as a hobby? (Math

2009-04-06 Thread Lurie
  (%i1) exp (log(1.001) * (2^27) );
  (%o1)  674530.4760270637
 
 And maxima would be wrong by at least .0052.
 
 The point I was trying to make, and judging by the audience here
 lately I was entirely too subtle, is that it is very easy to get the
 wrong result in such a trivial calculation unless you have some
 method to control creeping error.
 
 The above result 674530.4760270637 is wrong at the
 third digit past the decimal point.
 

Here you go, both Mathematica and MAXIMA:

Mathematica:

In[15]:=
SetAccuracy[Exp[Log[SetAccuracy[1.001,100]]*2^27],100]

Out[15]=
674530.47602706407027793197206421845263783142259940138702038470170721140355151\
8842683372594943314599435008

In[16]:=
SetAccuracy[SetAccuracy[1.001,100]^(2^27),100]

Out[16]=
674530.47602706407027793197206421845263783142259940138702038470170721140355151\
8842683372594943314599435008


MAXIMA:

(%i1) fpprec:100;
(%o1) 100
(%i2) bfloat(exp(log(bfloat(1.001))*(2^27)));
(%o2) 6.7453047602706407027793197206421845263783142259940138702038470170721140\
35515188426833725949433145993b5
(%i3) 

So please do not throw rocks at MAXIMA :)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-04-05 Thread Lurie
 So modern Linux package managers do not have any  of these qualities ?

Some of them ? Of course. All of them ? No. Just a few points:
1. They usually upgrade a live system (and while it's possible for some to do a 
non-live upgrade, the live upgrade is exactly how pretty much all of them 
operate by default).
2. The upgrade process is usually very slow, I've been upgrading Fedora, 
Ubuntu, OpenSuse, what they have in common ? A very slow and IO bound upgrade, 
during the update/installation phase which took most of the time the whole 
system slows down, to put into perspective, last time I did a nightly upgrade 
of fedora it took around 1.5 hours, while the download phase took only 10-15 
minutes.
3. The whole package content is downloaded (recently there has been a trend 
towards moving to downloading deltas only, but still the default in most is to 
get the whole content). 
5. Usually the design is not cross-platformant, IPS can even run on Windows.

 Strange!! And how difficult it is to implement no-scripting limitation in an
  existing packaging system ...

patching something for that would be just as hard as implementing that 
particular functionality from scratch, and you would have to maintain patches 
with the upstream (unless you have an ideally de-coupled backend API, which I 
doubt would be feasible to have once you start adding more and more features), 
forced to use whatever libraries/languages the upstream uses, and so on.

 Like ZFS. The ideas expressed in ZFS are revolutionary
 to say the least and could not have been done by re-using existing
 stuff. However there should exist a balance between redo everything and
 re-use otherwise one would start re-writing every piece in the name
 of innovation.

While I agree with you about that, I still stand by my point that IPS is a good 
thing, and given Sun's need for paid-support repositories, integration with 
zones, SMF support, ZFS support, they would've ended with a lot of patches on 
their hands. 

As for the time it has taken, it's not just the development time, once you've 
written some complex piece of code in say N months, you could easily implement 
the whole thing from scratch in N/M months, it's the slow development of ideas 
that should be counted too.

Moreover, now when most of the code is in place and working, the team can 
quickly introduce new features as they are well familiar with the codebase and 
know the design well to easily extend IPS.

 The user side experience of IPS is no doubt very
 good but is no different from a good Linux package manager
 like Smart/Yum (with the exception of ZFS features).

Unfortunately, I don't find yum to be a good package manager for some of the 
reasons I listed above.

 From a developer point of view  these qualities could have been got by far 
 less effort and far less code/complexity.

In the short run ? Maybe. In the long run ? I don't think so.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-04-05 Thread Lurie
 ***   before you argue with moinak, be sure that you
 have taken the time to read his blog.   ***

As you have probably noticed from my messages, I never try to argue with 
anyone, I'm merely carrying a discussion in which I express my opinion and I 
don't make anyone clueless, you must be joking, ridiculous, and so on, as 
apparently some people here like to do, there's a big difference.

 Were you talking about with having Smart in mind, or without Smart?

I've never tried Smart.

 When combining an existing (or new) packaging system
 with Smart (no IPS, no conary), you can gain similar speed
 improvements, along with many other benefits. 

That sounds good, although I have a question to ask, why are the main distros, 
i.e. Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse still on those slow package managers ?

 And you don't need to employ 50 engineers for 2 years to get a 
 written-from-scratch 
 monster like IPS going.

The codebase is certainly not that big, and I'm quite sure there were about 5 
*main* devs involved.

 If they wanted (because they wanted) some revolutionary python based
 system like IPS, they could have used rPath's conary, which is in development 
 since 2004.

You've talked enough about Conary with Stephen Hahn before, so I'm not going 
into this again.

 But as Sun always seemed to have too much time and money, 
 couldn't ever accept help (many examples!)

The last part I completely agree with, and if OpenSolaris will fail then this 
ultimately will be its undoing, the failure to accept devs help without a 
complicated process of finding sponsors, going through ARCs and so on, which 
are fine if you do this as your day job, and not if it's your hobby and you 
just want to contribute. Although there are a few notable exceptions, Jurgen 
Keil for example is a great contributor, if there would have been 100 people 
like that, OpenSolaris would be a completely different beast now and would 
attract even more developers ;)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-04-05 Thread Lurie
 5. Usually the design is not cross-platformant, IPS can even run on Windows.
 
 
 Weak argument.
 conary is also implemented in python with C backend.
 Also runs under everything including Windows.
 Also most other pkg systems run on every UNIX.

Note the use of usually, and by cross-platformant I don't mean only *NIX 
systems, I mean cross-platformant.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-04-05 Thread Lurie
 The user side experience of IPS is no doubt very  good but is no different
 from a good Linux package manager like Smart/Yum  (with the exception
 of ZFS features). 

I trust you on that one, and Conary, which was pointed out by Martin seems to 
be nice as well.

 From a developer point of view  these qualities could have been got by far 
 less effort and far less code/complexity.

It's not up to me to make a conclusion on that, as people have been payed to do
research on whether an existing or a new package manager is the way to go. See 
for example this mail in particular: 
http://markmail.org/message/wkbbqp5uo6yfunpe

Notably, 

There are a few features that seem particularly difficult to accommodate in 
the existing systems: sparse root zones is the foremost (and diskless in 
general), binaries of multiple bitness ends up being another...
...
If you start dropping those, then other packaging systems do indeed become 
suitable. 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-04-04 Thread Lurie
 and in the end, we have yet-another-package-manager.

while I agree with you on some of the points, I have to say that I love IPS and 
how it uses ZFS, if the code would have been based off some Linux package 
manager then the changes would never go upstream due to the lack of bootable 
clones/snapshots.
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Re: [osol-discuss] running benchmark hard locks opensolaris

2009-04-04 Thread Lurie
  $ ./blogbench -d ./test
 ...
  Final score for writes:   693
  Final score for reads : 45610
 
 Is that on an uncompressed or compressed zfs
 filesystem?

Uncompressed

 
 (Compressed zfs seems to get *much* better results; 
 but blogbench writes 0-filled test files, so
 compressed
 zfs probably defeats the purpose of this benchmark)
 
 On uncompressed zfs, disabling prefetch might make a
 difference:
 
   echo zfs_prefetch_disable/W 1 | mdb -wk
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-04-04 Thread Lurie
 Do you have any clue how many patches Sun maintains
 for packages in onnv-gate that never go upstream?  Anyway.. they say
 love is blind so it  all seems fitting..

I am quite well aware of the patches in the on-nv gate, and they aren't as many 
as you make them sound. Plus you are being rude and aggressive, if that's how 
you want to build a new community then good luck with that...
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-04-04 Thread Lurie
 Yes.. writing an entire package manager from the
 ground up is *less* work than maintaining the patches.

This is called moving forward, IPS is based on new novel ideas, a secure 
package manager without any arbitrary post/pre-install scripts, which is fast, 
doesn't hog the system upon installation and is very easy to use, and upgrades 
the whole system at once, versus just the packages, which ensures you won't 
have any conflicts.

If everyone would do as you suggest and just copy everything because it's 
easier, there would be no innovations in OpenSolaris at all. And IPS *is* an 
innovation in my book. I've been using IPS since its inception, for how long 
have you been using it ?
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-04-03 Thread Lurie
IBM Near Deal to Buy Sun for Lower Price 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123869375752683145.html

Sun Microsystems shares again on the rise..
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Re: [osol-discuss] running benchmark hard locks opensolaris

2009-04-01 Thread Lurie
Can you try the release OpenSolaris 2008.11 ? As I said builds 109, 110, 111 
come with a zfs bug that reduces performance. Given that even on b110 I get on 
a slower hdd much better results than you, I can only assume one of the three 
things:

1. Not enough memory (seriously, you should have at least 2gb, even my netbook 
has 1.5gb ram..), the more memory, the better zfs will perform.
2. Your controller is not well supported
3. You hit some corner case bug

I ran it just for 10 iterations, because I have no interest in stressing my 
laptop for half an hour ;)

Why are you referring to RAIDZ when you have only 1 hard drive ?
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Re: [osol-discuss] running benchmark hard locks opensolaris

2009-04-01 Thread Lurie
 PS - Why did you only run 10 iterations of blogbench?
 Try running it with its default to get a standard to
 which others can compare (blogbench -d {directory})
 which runs 300 iterations I beleive.

It runs 30, not 300, here is the result for the default number of iterations, 
on an external usb hdd (7200rpm):


$ ./blogbench -d ./test

Frequency = 10 secs
Scratch dir = [./test]
Spawning 3 writers...
Spawning 1 rewriters...
Spawning 5 commenters...
Spawning 100 readers...
Benchmarking for 30 iterations.
The test will run during 5 minutes.

  Nb blogs   R articlesW articlesR picturesW picturesR comments 
   W comments
68   185678  4013135677  3689 94235 
13858
85   198225  1161141173   900107353 
 3157
   102   268876  1363192870  1316147176 
 3737
   124   284484  1435203713  1281149076 
 2223
   125   2565475618126950128206 
   22
   183   224250  2858157561  2672 97939 
 3074
   236   218644  3104153262  2393 96534 
 4090
   321   215839  4756150955  4953 78112 
 4457
   341   192344  1053135553  1146 69870 
 2541
   458   176643  5882124377  5566 60756 
 4463
   51173808  2472 50993  2571 23006 
 3639
   511 450038  318816  1880 
  192
   538 6168  1236  4090  1113  2324 
 2098
   5381174319  794718  4172 
  117
   560 2444  1195  1514  1183  1179 
  825
   57813273   919  9497  1087  4498 
 1337
   579 727218  538951  2485 
  219
   595 6634   797  4228  1059  2350 
 1032
   596 521316  392825  2017 
   94
   596 6222 0  4334 0  2081 
0
   612 4532   689  3332   898  1659 
  407
   612 814124  5832 1  2813 
   40
   625 4185   851  2939   855  1510 
  617
   646 4863  1108  3129   931  1708 
  817
   647 498130  364518  1639 
   58
   647 5990 0  3964 0  1742 
0
   664 3461   725  2287   699  1154 
  516
   678 6673   596  4736   705  2172 
  399
   680 434824  307821  1603 
  196
   693 5285   617  3797   678  1742 
  760

Final score for writes:   693
Final score for reads : 45610

Again, this is with the ZFS performance regression bug that I mentioned, can't 
find the bug id # though :(
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Re: [osol-discuss] [osol-bugs] x86-amd64

2009-04-01 Thread Lurie
 When I try to install DB2 Express-C for Linux x86,

For Linux x86 ? On OpenSolaris ? You can't run Linux programs under 
OpenSolaris, they are different operating systems.

 installation program quits with an error There has
 been an attempt to use db2setup on an image for a
 platform that does not match the current platform
 platform on which it is being run. Sun/AMD64 
 
 DB2 installation quits because it sees an AMD64
 installation. 

Having looked here 
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/data/db2/express/download.html , DB2 Express-C 
is only available for 64 bit machies. This means you can't install it on your 
computer under OpenSolaris, as your computer is based on 32 bit architecture.
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Re: [osol-discuss] ZFS Performance

2009-03-31 Thread Lurie
If you want good ZFS performance you have to be running a 64 bit kernel... On a 
32 bit system it'll be slow.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Ldom general info request

2009-03-26 Thread Lurie
 I saw that Sun is providing to Hypervisors : 
 - xVM  (not released, in beta, a fork from Xen on Solaris 10)

What do you mean by not released ? It has been released for quite a long time 
now, 
and it's an actual release, NOT a beta.

 - Ldom : But I can't find clear informations about it

Read on here: http://www.sun.com/solutions/virtualization/products.jsp
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris-based CD/DVD Distributions as of March 26, 2009

2009-03-26 Thread Lurie
+1 the packages count is useless in its current form. should just say, e.g. 
(not real numbers):

- 15 builds
- 1,500 packages for b109
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Re: [osol-discuss] General THANKLESS- and RESPECTLESSness towards Joerg Schilling (and others, which I leave out of this msg.) __/__ Was: Emergency project to rescue Opensolaris from IBM

2009-03-25 Thread Lurie
+1
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Re: [osol-discuss] Apologies from one person in the community

2009-03-25 Thread Lurie
 It's like those cliff-hanger endings they have in TV
 shows. will IBM acquire SUN? will Joerg and
 Jennifer patch things up and go Schuhplattler dancing
 together? 

haha! man, that was funny =)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-03-23 Thread Lurie
 Do the math... what brigs them more money? Selling
 Solaris or reselling Linux?

In order to sell Solaris, they have to develop it, which costs a lot of money.
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Re: [osol-discuss] 2008.11 - very slow to resize windows

2009-03-20 Thread Lurie
It should indeed be flying on that hardware, have you tried updating to a newer 
build ?
As a workaround for now, if you don't use compiz you can run:
$ gconf-editor
then go to apps/metacity/general and check reduced_resources, this won't 
repaint the window on resize.
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Re: [osol-discuss] forum search broken?

2009-03-20 Thread Lurie
to be honest, I don't think it has ever worked =)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-03-18 Thread Lurie
I for one hope that this deal will not go through, otherwise OpenSolaris is 
doomed...
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Re: [osol-discuss] Possible IBM aquisition of Sun

2009-03-18 Thread Lurie
 It's third or fourth rumor of this kind this year.

Links please to rumours of the same magnitude, making Sun's share price jump 
74% (and it's still on the rise), reported by CNBC, Bloomberg, WSJ, Reuters, 
and pretty much everyone out there..
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Re: [osol-discuss] Copying files and folders

2009-03-12 Thread Lurie
All you have to do:
$ tar xvjf opera-10.00-4205.gcc3-static-qt3.tar.bz2
$ cd opera-9.64-2480.gcc3-static-qt3
$ pfexec ./install.sh --prefix=/usr

Works fine for me..
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Re: [osol-discuss] Copying files and folders

2009-03-12 Thread Lurie
What icons are you talking about ? You can always create a shortcut of your 
own...
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Re: [osol-discuss] vim doesn't source ~/.vimrc

2009-03-12 Thread Lurie
Worked fine for me for all builds (now on b109), so you might want to simply 
copy it, instead of using a symlink.
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[osol-discuss] Link to phoronix benchmark on opensolaris.com

2009-03-04 Thread Lurie
Seriously guys,

What on earth is the link to AMD Shanghai Opteron: Linux vs. OpenSolaris 
Benchmarks doing on main page of opensolaris.com ? That article is seriously 
biased towards Linux as has been discussed many times already. Way to put 
potential users off... :)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Nevada on a Macbook pro/air?

2008-09-03 Thread Lurie
Just tell him to fire up the OpenSolaris LiveDVD 
http://genunix.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-95.iso and start the Device 
Detection Tool
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Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris support for AMD Cool'n'Quiet

2008-08-19 Thread Lurie
the short answer is: yes, for newer processors
http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6575192
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-help/2008-April/009089.html
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] POWERtop

2008-07-24 Thread Lurie
works fine for me...
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] os200805 + '93 updates - memory use.

2008-07-24 Thread Lurie
try do disable the xscreensaver and use 
$ xlock -mode blank
instead, and see if that helps.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] 9 seconds to launch xterm, too slow

2008-07-24 Thread Lurie
See:
http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=1459
http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6715568
http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6711636

The workaround:

Comment #8 From Danek Duvall 2008-05-02 17:58:47 (-)
And I don't have this problem on my freshly-installed RC3 laptop.  A bit of
banter between dep and myself shows that running xterm with

XTerm*openIm: false

makes the problem go away entirely.  Since I have that set in my .Xdefaults,
then I don't see the problem.  Dave ran with that and the problem went away for
him, too.

 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] os200805 + '93 updates - memory use.

2008-07-23 Thread Lurie
Try to disable compiz, and use firefox 3.0 instead of firefox 2.0...
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Multi processor kernel?

2008-07-22 Thread Lurie
Looks like a bug you should report, on b92 psrinfo shows 2 cores on my computer:

$ psrinfo -pv
The physical processor has 2 virtual processors (0 1)
  x86 (GenuineIntel 6F6 family 6 model 15 step 6 clock 2400 MHz)
Intel(r) Core(tm)2 CPU  6600  @ 2.40GHz
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Multi processor kernel?

2008-07-21 Thread Lurie
shows 2 cores just fine for me...
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Rhythmbox on build 93

2008-07-16 Thread Lurie
Can't say about mp3s  build 93, but as for the error, try to use gmake 
instead.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Live-CD only in 640x480 mode.

2008-07-15 Thread Lurie
 Thats is one of the problems of OpenSolaris in
 comparison to Linux: It have not so much driver.

Yes, it has fewer drivers, at the moment.

 And the driver which works, don't run all perfect.

And would you care to prove an example ? As I tend to disagree with you on this 
one.

 It seems also, that Solaris starts in 32bit mode and
 don't recognized, that the computer is a 64 bit
 computer.

I highly doubt that, see the output of isainfo -kv

 The other problem of OpenSolaris is, that it is in my
 eyes not really an OpenSource system, because
 OpenSolaris can until the current time, not be
 compiled with the GCC and the compilers with which it
 is compiled, are not OpenSource.

And who told you that it cannot be compiled with gcc ?
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/gcc/

And I quote: The latest ON sources (beginning early in build 38) are now 
compatible with gcc.
Moreover, xorg in OpenSolaris IS built with gcc.

 And OpenSource
 Operating Systems, which can only be created with
 ClosedSource programs, are in my eyed not reallly
 completly OpenSource systems.

An ignorant conclusion.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris CD/DVD Distributions as of July 7, 2008

2008-07-07 Thread Lurie
 1. Sun Studio 11/12

Shouldn't Sun Studio Express[1] be included in the list ?

[1] http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/IPS/instdevsoft.html#sunstudio
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Disk performance woes under Indiana

2008-07-01 Thread Lurie
Disable the fmd service and see if the performance improves ?
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Disk performance woes under Indiana

2008-07-01 Thread Lurie
 When conducting these types of tests, use
 if=/dev/zero instead of /dev/random or /dev/urandom.

Apprently you missed a post where just that has been done, quoting:

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rdsk/c5t1d0s0 bs=1024k count=256
184549376 bytes (185 MB) copied, 104.892 s, 1.8 MB/s

 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] font display in snv_91

2008-06-25 Thread Lurie
The difference is that b91 sets the hinting to Full, and previous versions 
had it at Slight, hence the visual different you're seeing, all you have to 
do is go to System-Appearence-Fonts-Advanced and select [*] Slight
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] What about adopting rpm to package OpenSolaris?

2008-06-25 Thread Lurie
 Why not adopt rpm?

No way! IPS is awesome, it just needs more time to mature.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Test system: not booting after image-update?

2008-06-23 Thread Lurie
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=64450tstart=0

First, mount the clone under the /mnt directory

$ pfexec mount -F zfs rpool/ROOT/opensolaris-3 /mnt

Next, update the GRUB configuration on your ZFS boot device(s) using

$ pfexec /mnt/boot/solaris/bin/update_grub -R /mnt
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Must be a bug or something

2008-06-12 Thread Lurie
You are over-complicating things, all you need to do is fire up the Package 
Manager and install the OpenOffice package, or from the command line you can do 
this:
$ pfexec pkg install openoffice

That's it...
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] IPS on SXCE?

2008-05-11 Thread Lurie
I believe the plan is to discontinue SXCE as soon as Indiana contains 
everything available in SXCE (like Jumpstart, text based installer, etc.)
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Test image for 2008.05

2008-04-26 Thread Lurie
 Perhaps the OpenSolaris.org forum is badly overwhelmed. Last I heard, we have 
 over  
 1,000,000 registered users in the Jiva forum, true?

It's Jive, not Jiva

 Also, the OpenSolaris.com forum has a nice edit button, which is missing in 
 Jiva.

the one here also has a nice edit button, people use it all the time
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Is there a change list for the upcoming b87 release anywhere?

2008-04-21 Thread Lurie
You can always check the ON changes here:
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/

As for the ZFS boot support, it's not in b87, but rather in b88, and the 
changes to installer to support zfs boot are coming in b89, see here:
http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2008041103/

Further changes to the Install consolidation are required to install
ZFS as the root file system. These changes are planned for Install
build 89.  Once these changes have integrated, we will release a
heads up statement.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Network adapters

2008-04-15 Thread Lurie
That's Attansic L1, it's not supported, see
http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6580058
http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6677682 (I guess a 
dup of the previous bug)
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] USB drive unusable (with snv_85)

2008-04-06 Thread Lurie
the pcfs driver (fat32 implementation in solaris) is severly limited in its 
speed, it gives a maximum speed of ~3mb/s, so don't expect to have higher 
speeds...
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Mysql's Innodb immensely slow on ZFS

2008-04-05 Thread Lurie
http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/mysql-zfs.html
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Shutting down PC

2008-04-02 Thread Lurie
Same here (MSI P965 + C2D E6600), sometimes it powers off, sometimes not
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Nvidia 9600GT problem

2008-03-01 Thread Lurie
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=nvidia_16912num=1
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] [website-discuss] Changelog SXCE?

2008-02-25 Thread Lurie
 I can certainly add links to the changelogs in the
 mail that gets sent out.

That would be great.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Changelog SXCE?

2008-02-23 Thread Lurie
 - I still see a great good in a
 changelog. As of now, a new nv_xy is just a black box
 of unknown content. The downloader outside has no
 clue what she gets, not at all.

It's hardly a black-box as you'll see following the links below.

 Even the insiders might be helped; I can't imagine
 that the bi-weekly releases are published without
 documented changelog, objective, deadlines,
 intentions; just blindly gobbled together? See, so
 why not adding a summary to the release
 announcement?

1. http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/all/
2. 
http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/on-changelog-20080219.sparse.txt 
(latest on nightly)
3. http://opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/changelogs/
4. 
http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/desktop-discuss/2008-February/012593.html

If you feel like doing/publishing a unified changelog with useful notes from 
bugs.opensolaris.org, then why not be the proud 2% and do it yourself ? This 
way you'd help other newcomers as well.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Grateful For The Indiana Project

2008-02-22 Thread Lurie
What was the problem with installation ?
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview

2008-02-19 Thread Lurie
Yes, I've corrected my post as soon as I posted it, I meant last Nevada DE.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview

2008-02-19 Thread Lurie
 Right, as a Solaris replacement Indiana isn't there yet by a long shot.

true. but I don't think it's because of the reasons you mentioned

 (It misses SPARC support, 

should be there within several months

 liveupgrade, 

this is superceded by zfs cloning on upgrades

 upgradability from pre-Indiana releases 

I don't think this will ever be possible ?

 and has too much uncontrolled entropy
 (for lack of a better word)

yeah, it needs time.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] XPde on Solaris support

2008-02-19 Thread Lurie
You could try to compile it, although given that the last release was in 2004 
it probably depends on very old libraries. Why would you need that on Solaris ? 
It hasn't been developed for 4 years now and IMHO gnome/kde offer way richer 
functionality...
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview

2008-02-18 Thread Lurie
It hasn't come up recently or something, early presentations (way before the 
first preview) on Indiana were all pointing out that the plan is to replace 
SXDE with Indiana and that SXDE 1/08 will possibly be the last Nevada.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] VirtualBox

2008-02-15 Thread Lurie
I believe gentry was referring to 64bit vs 32bit, there's only a 64bit binary 
available for download.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Preview 2 Available

2008-02-14 Thread Lurie
So what are you basically saying is that: Solaris should keep /bin/sh for as 
long as it stands even if a more stable/more flexible/better designed/ exists 
just because there may be old customers without renewed support (I'm sure 
customers with support would have their scripts fixed in no time) who had some 
scripts that relied on some particularities of /bin/sh ? This sure sounds like 
a good road to stagnation.

Plus I don't expect any serious financial/etc.. institutions to run first 
versions of Indiana on production just as I wouldn't expect them to run on 
Solaris Nevada. Give them another 3 years or so, and they will maybe migrate. 
Debating /bin/sh as if it suddenly changes everything Solaris stands for (to me 
it stands out mainly by the stability of the kernel, dtrace, zfs, zones and 
most importantly - its code goes through proper review processes).
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Intel SpeedStep support

2008-02-11 Thread Lurie
Have you tried to upgrade bios ?
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] Intel SpeedStep support

2008-02-10 Thread Lurie
My problem was solved by BFU-ing to a newer build , but since you have b81 it's 
probably a different issue

Try ./iasl -g first as root and see if you get the ssdt_?_CpuPm.dsl file. If 
it doesn't contain _PSS, try the acpidump Aubrey mentioned.
 
 
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Re: [osol-discuss] The impossible SDLC download... / was: Re: [osol-announce] SXCE Build 81 available

2008-02-01 Thread Lurie
+1
 
 
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[osol-discuss] Intel SpeedStep support

2008-01-21 Thread Lurie
My configuration is: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 + MSI P965 Platinum (SpeedStep 
support enabled),
the latter is on the latest bios firmware, running OpenSolaris b75

I'm getting cpu_acpi: _PSS package not found, so SpeedStep is not being 
enabled by OpenSolaris.

According to MSI, this motherboard supports EIST:
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=p965_platinum
•  Supports EIST techonology

What could be the problem then ? I'm attaching the ssdt output of iasl -g 
(which for some reason doesn't seem to have the _PSS)
 
 
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