Re: [osol-discuss] Long files names - Opensolaris
Use correct style for naming? ;-) So small/big letters, numbers and underscore. Not that mess you have. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Toshiba OpenSolaris laptops program is dropped?
Says who? Do you think that everything on the Earth must be open source in terms of GPL? Then it's communism. Sources are here. You can start your own project or connect to any of existing. OpenSolaris has many great features which are very usable in production. So even if Oracle decide to stop OpenSolaris and continue with those features only in Solaris then no problem. And if it will stay then I hope that Oracle will turn focus more to server/business market and not to desktop market where Solaris/OpenSolaris does not have chance and where you can choose from Windows/MacOS/Linux(a lot of them)/PC-BSD -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Larry Ellison takes on challenge in Sun
You're just troll. You're not even BSD fan, because BSD is about pragmatic approach to use what's appropriate for some situation. So I prefer OpenBSD and Solaris/OpenSolaris, but work even with HP-UX, IBM AIX, a lot of Linuxes, Windows, Mac Os X and so on. You even totally misunderstood what I wrote, but it's nothing so surprising as I'm reading some of your posts. Linux has a lot of problems as other OS's have too. No one is perfect. But here we're talking about something completely different in this thread. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Larry Ellison takes on challenge in Sun
This is behavior of dinosaurs and all of us know what was their story. Who cares about HP-UX or IBM AIX? People which are working with them are mostly older then 50 or so. Younger people are pushing what they know better Linux/Windows and this change is visible even in data centers, but of course it will take some time. Release of OpenSolaris was good idea from this point of view. Market share is different story, but Oracle is better in this area. On the opposite site they started closing Solaris again and where is Irix, Digital, VMS and others after years? They are just history. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Larry Ellison takes on challenge in Sun
Somewhere on forum is presentation from conference in April or so where was some info about OpenSolaris and that its development will continue and that it will stay open source. So it's starting to be like RedHat/Fedora. You can download RedHat for free as Solaris, right now is Solaris 10 for free for 90 days and OpenSolaris or Fedora is for free completely. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...
No thanks. I'm working with Linux and it's more then enough for me. Ubuntu is at maximum fine for desktop, but still I prefer and use OpenBSD for desktop. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] community driven distro...
IPS repositories are simply death because of speed and crazy lack of applications because of stupid IP and patent issues which doesn't help anything. They just cause slow or no development at all. And Oracle/Sun must be in line with them. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] An effort to rally around - building a real, community driven distro...
You mean something like this? Provide the best development platform possible. Provide full source access to developers and users, including the ability to look at CVS tree changes directly. Users can even look at our source tree and changes directly on the web! Integrate good code from any source with acceptable copyright (ISC or Berkeley style preferred, GPL acceptable as a last recourse but not in the kernel, NDA never acceptable). We want to make available source code that anyone can use for ANY PURPOSE, with no restrictions. We strive to make our software robust and secure, and encourage companies to use whichever pieces they want to. .. http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong
You forgot about only one real alternative for ZFS which is Hammer FS in DragonflyBSD plus other new features like swapcache, tmpfs, focus on Single System Image in future and so on. OpenSolaris/Solaris are great systems. Oracle is just big company where every decision takes years and yes, they don't care so much about fans. They are doing all of this because of money and business as any other company. In worst case scenario there are alternatives like that DragonflyBSD, OpenBSD and so on. But if you own some M9000 or similar then you care about your profit and not about ideology so you will use Solaris which is well prepared for those machines and you will not fight with eg. Gentoo on it ;-) Anyway if you have older SPARC machines which are not supported then I can really recommend to use OpenBSD on them because of wide support of SPARC systems from OpenBSD. Simply there are solutions. Just try to use them. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sun has set
No, job contract is something very different when comparing with NDA and I really don't have those limitations in my contract. Again nothing about this "future secret" in my contract. That's part of our job. We offer control of infrastructure to our customers so they can buy product from us or they can download it eg. from freshmeat and maintain it by them self and so on. Our systems are strictly on Open source (either GPL or BSD) and anyone can use them. Not all of them are our own, but those that aren't are offered in similar way from other parties so customer is not blocked in any way. Yea, it goes quite OT :-) Anyway maybe it was at least funny debate for some followers :-) Thanks a lot for your answers and we all will be praying that OpenSolaris will stay open source at least as in actual state. Have a nice day and take care. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sun has set
Those secrets are covered in contract so no need for NDA and at least in most of Europe countries there are laws which cover similar situations too. So in case you talk about some real internal stuff of company you can be immediately displaced and there will be info about it in your documents so you will have very hard times to find some job after that so again no need for NDA. Of course that after change of job you can talk about anything you want because it's your freedom you're not property of previous company. Of course that most people know rules of good manners so they don't talk about those internals even after that. I don't think that that VP from IBM was only one who talked about this case with Sun. But even NDA didn't stop him. And that's the point. It can't stop it even in future. People are people so they will talk. Everyone know similar cases and not only from IT. Only regime like in North Korea is able to stop talking because people have fear from each other. If it's target of all of this in the long run (NDA, IP, DMCA, http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/11/leaked-acta-internet-provisions-three-strikes-and- , ) then as you say in USA "God Bless America" ( and now plus Europe too because of ACTA :-) ). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sun has set
Of course that no one can disclose inner details (pass, id,) of his/her company. But it's about personality. You don't need NDA for that and especially not those stupid NDA's which prohibit to talk even about colour of carpets 5 years after you leave. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sun has set
OT "I'm still under NDA - it's a standard part of the employment contracts at both Sun & Oracle and probably pretty much every tech company in the world." I'm in a tech company. But company which focuses only on open source so no NDA possible. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [laptop-discuss] user stuff has gone badly wrong
Use RTFM before rm -rf in next time, ok? ;-) http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2240/userdel-1m?l=en&a=view -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Releases?
I'm curious why your e-mail response is not here? Do you worry about something? "Our efforts emphasize portability, standardization, correctness, proactive security and integrated cryptography." only 2 of 5 things are about security. Anyway anyone who connects his/her laptop/desktop/server/network to Internet and don't care about security is just plain idiot. In every product are bugs so don't try to mimic that I'm saying different opinion. We're talking about situation, that it's very "funny" that companies with those big sources aren't able to provide similar or better quality as some volunteer project. OpenBSD was just example, there is more similar projects. That is what was my point as a whole. So once again and for this time slowly - I l i k e O p e n S o l a r i s (debate is about different stuff) And I'm not a troll. Trolling is something like Linux rule and Windows sucks or OpenSolaris is alternative for Ubuntu and so on. BSD world is about practical approach so use what's appropriate for your use either Solaris/OpenSolaris, some BSD, Linux or Windows. That;s why I use Linux for some stuff, for some stuff I use OpenSolaris, OpenBSD or even Windows. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris vs OpenSolaris
Ok, did you try it on Eee? The most complaints with Eee and similar platforms is thanks to vga chipset which is not able to play HD movies. I think that this netbook can't play HD too because of chipset too, but we are talking about CPU platform. Read eg. this http://www.osnews.com/story/21530 x86/x64 is still that same old buggy platform which wasn't build with virtualization in mind. And for geek similar netbooks with ARM or MIPS may offer a lot. BTW watching HD on 9" display is like using Ferrari instead of tractor -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris vs OpenSolaris
I'm not so happy about x86/x64 because of its really old and unsecure architecture. If money and power of Oracle will bring that platform down at least at some of fronts then the better for all of us. Maybe another time for SPARC laptops/workstations? ;-) Check eg. this cheap one http://www.openbsd.org/loongson.html . It's 64bit MIPS dual core CPU in netbook. Way better then this Eee (or similar) crap. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Releases?
Yes, only base system is audited and they don't have so much resources to provide similar audit for packages, but at least they're trying to do that. But if you will try it at laptop/desktop then you will quickly find that it's more stable then any other OS in its stable version even in current. And because some of specific security features you can sleep quite well even with additional packages. BTW how is OpenSolaris helpful in this way? Because if you install release then no updates (even security) for you for free so you are on your own. If you will use dev versions then you have updates, but only every second week and when is new build corrupted then you must wait eg. month until you have working newer build so you are one month without normal and even security updates and again you are on your own. And because of lack of packages for laptop/desktop use in repositories you are on your own even in that area. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Releases?
Please compare real data. Because OpenBSD: * has a much smaller number of packages Says who? Take a look at here http://www.openbsd.org/4.6_packages/i386.html (and some packages are only in ports so there is much more packages available) and compare it with dev/contrib/extra repositories of OpenSolaris * often focuses on security instead of updated software so has less to test Wrong. It focuses on correct, stable and clean code. Newer software version doesn't mean mostly something better, but more buggy. Eg. dev 130 and dev 131 have newer versions of software, but are so buggy that a lot of people have problems with those versions. * has a different target audience Yes I know. It's mainly for firewall/router, developers and power users on desktop. But then it's quite similar to OpenSolaris as it's mainly for storage, developers and power users on desktop. Talks from Sun/Oracle about alternative to Linux for normal users are simply jokes because eg. multimedia part of OpenSolaris is so bad. Even OpenBSD can offer much more multimeda packages and codecs. Yea I know. They don't need to care about that stupid IP area. * is volunteer, not commercial product That's why it's even worst that Sun/Oracle with so much money and good engineers can't offer same or even better quality then some volunteer project. Don't take it bad. OpenSolaris has some great and unique features and that's why many people use it even if their main OS is different. But Oracle don't talk about feature of OpenSolaris even at last web cast from conference which was during 27.1. and it looks like there is a problem in QA area between releases. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Releases?
As you mentioned OpenBSDit leads to different question : Why OpenBSD project is able to provide new release every day or second day which is so stable (much more then most of "stable" releases of other OS's) and other projects can't do similar even if they have 14 days or 6 months for that? That's a problem. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Should OS2010.03 stick to the 2010.03 release date?
The only bug report I find was closed by one of the pidgin maintainers from Sun's Beijing office as not possible since the QQ network owners don't allow third-party clients: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=7767 ICQ is not allowed on 3rd party clients too and voala it's in Pidgin in OpenSolaris so there must be different reason. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] MSI K8T-NEO2
Did you try latest dev build from www.genunix.org ? I have motherboard with similar RAID device at home and it's only RAID. Can't use it as two separate SATA ports so I disabled it. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] When will osol-131 be published ?
osol-131 is in pkg.opensolaris.org/dev are packages that are supported by Sun through her internal QA etc. So the quality are much better that that from of pkgfactory.o.o. It's just theory which doesn't look to be true regarding "quality" of last (at least) 2 builds :-( -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] MSI K8T-NEO2
Post useful description ;-) Send outputs of these commands : prtdiag -v prtconf -d pfexec scanpci smbios dmesg It's better to send some of them as attachment because they are long. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] When will osol-131 be published ?
Hei to my new home soon ;-) I don't use RSS on any site so this icon wasn't in my focus all the time. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] When will osol-131 be published ?
Ups, so sorry to all for bad info. But it open another question. Where can I find which packages are new in contrib repository? I can see just date of last update on this page and nothing more http://pkg.opensolaris.org/contrib/en/index.shtml and no info in announce on this forum too. Is there a way to check it? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] zones in b131 and bug 6912829
Hmm bug report is not really available. So "funny". Sounds like Linux-way :-( Btw if you check this http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do;jsessionid=ac123bb1575d038b187cc1475573?bug_id=6917808 you will get more info. Anyway this document is (however) still valid http://research.sun.com/projects/downunder/publications/documents/kca09.pdf (see table on page 3) when you compare all those systems in real use. It's so sad to see focus on features instead of quality in more and more projects :-( It's bad especially in OpenSolaris because some of its unique and super features which you can't find in any other OS. Eg. there is serious X bug in last two builds so many people must use 129 and then you don't have security updates from 130 and 131. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] When will osol-131 be published ?
Yea, however with another ugly bug for zones, one for X (but at least with workaround) and old X bug from 130 is still there. And only 2(!) new packages. It will be fine to know how much important it is to use this page http://pkgfactory.opensolaris.org/ . It doesn't look that they follow our votes and what's worst that users don't vote at all :-( -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Reliable memory checking tool for C++ based applications?
There is one superb tool which you can't find on any other OS. DTrace ;-) Take a look eg. here: http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/dtrace_cc.html -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] a few general questions:
c - controller t - target d - disk s - slice p - partition -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Bridging firewall with snv_125 and ipfilter
Uff, you want to build firewall on snv_125 which is missing some security updates? Do you have even Gnome and so on installed? I hope that my services will never go trough this. In your case I will use http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=bridge&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html which is capable filter traffic with pf(4) on bridge(4). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Partitioning Boot Disk after install
You didn't read install document so you made wrong install. With ZFS you must forgot your old behavior with disks/partitions/filesystems. You can get max from ZFS when you use it for whole disk. Then you can divide your disk to datasets as you want. PS: Maybe you have a chance to add your "forgot" partition to pool with 'pfexec zpool ' command. But you must read man page for zpool if it's possible http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2240/zpool-1m?l=en&a=view . After short read I'm really not sure if it's possible, but you can use eg. file instead of disk so there is a chance. You can test ;-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] nvidia driver not working
OT If you will know how bad is NVidia HW and its SW then you will be happy to have different piece of HW. Until this time you must use their crappy HW/SW -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Using OpenSolaris as a security gateway
- High availability and load balacing firewalls If you know OpenBSD and especially its pf(4) then you will know after test of IPf that pf(4) is a way better - VPNs There is no tun(4) device in OpenSolaris so no OpenVPN, vpnc and so on. Yes, you can compile it, but no support for it from Sun or community - IDS/IPS I'm not sure here, but OpenBSD has much more packages available then OpenSolaris. BTW I found this http://www.sguil.net/ thanks to this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM4ZrsOjmNQ And what's most important with OpenSolaris release you don't have any updates for free; even security. You must pay to Sun for that. You can use dev builds to receive security and normal updates for free, but after some time with build you will discover that there is too much bugs in them so I don't think that it's something usable for security related stuff. I'm still waiting for OS which will have similar quality like OpenBSD. But if you are looking for storage server or developer machine for Java or some other languages then you will be happy with OpenSolaris. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] NVIDIA nfo Basic Networking how to opensolaris
Oh come on. From which systems those really bad ideas are? You were using really old version of OpenSolaris snv_79 so someone said to you that you must try latest version. You say that you use 2009.06 so I suppose that you have really 2009.06 which is from June and not something really actual. Download latest build of OpenSolaris from www.genunix.org (as you have this unbelievable bad piece of HW from Nvidia) and try if it's supported with nge driver. If not the follow these instructions http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do;jsessionid=11d4c51e8997157c856c5cc25cb?bug_id=6703980 and you will not need compile anything. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] How to cheat Sun server that cover is closed?
Why do you need that? I suppose that there will be some electric contact or something like that. Maybe you may find more details in documentation for server http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/prod/sparc.t5240~t5240#hic -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ZFS Questions
Where are some outputs for zfs and zpool commands to see what do you have? We don't have magic ball from glass to guess what do you have on your system. If you need something minimalistic then try eg. this http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+jeos/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] install/update/uninstall adobe reader/firefox/jdk
1) Sure. Then why do you talk about school? I know a lot of people which weren't able to successfully end their primary school and they are real gurus now because they learned it by them self. Because people are different? People from Unix world use mainly words 'package manager' and people from Win world use 'installation gui' or similar. Why do you need to buy Solaris every year? Oh that magical TCO world. I choose system for customers based on their needs. Not in every case is price main reason for decision. Some system may have very good TCO, but will be very slow and buggy with your application so you will choose it just because of TCO and not other features? Solaris/OpenSolaris offer ZFS. There is only small competitor in DragonflyBSD with its Hammer FS. So you will offer for customer something another where they can loose data just because it has lower TCO? 2) Who cares? I use (and many companies or people) Unix because it's best for my needs. I know a lot of Windows admins which use Unix because of it's features at least on server. People which have Apple use Unix. A lot of people use Windows. No problem with it for me. If it's what they want and appropriate for they needs then ok. Everyone may choose. It's called freedom ;-) 3) Yes, start GUI Package Manager in OpenSolaris ;-) Don't know right name for similar app on Apple but they have it too. Ubuntu has similar app and so on. On OpenBSD there is no gui for package manager. I don't need it and what? Some apps on Windows inform you after uninstall that there are some directories which weren't automatically removed. Did you use Windows? Do you know why networking in Windows is good? Take a look at C:\Windows\system32\drivers ;-) Oh what the hell...there is a etc directory and in that directory there is eg. hosts file. Where I saw these files? Oh...I can remember...on Unix ;-D Take a look trough history. Windows implemented TCP/IP stack from BSD ;-) In OpenSolaris you have nwam which set network for you automatically because most of networks use DHCP. You can change it to static with GUI too. Still same as in Windows. And in Windows you can do much more in cmd.exe as in Unix in console ;-) Oh Space Shuttle.I thought that it will end in 2011 or so and then they will go back to older technology (Apollo like) with modern "engine" insight. So still something like Unix. Old look from outside, great technologies inside ;-) You can't read plain text? Sorry so you can't read a lot of great books available in libraries or in shops. It's scary. Really sorry. No one can read so much manuals eg. for Java and so on. But if you know some basics then you are able to work with any language because principles are same. You just think that they are intuitive because you are working with them for longer time. Try test with children or someone who can see PC for the first time and run OpenSolaris, Ubuntu or MacOs for them. You will see that they are able use it very quickly. I saw it many times. Children are especially best in this area. Funny thing is that they are able to work with Windows without problems too. So somewhere is problem in your idea ;-) You installed time tracking app for masses? Such a big guy. Install something is really hard work. Why it's not in Solaris? Did you ported it? Or did you pay someone for port? No? So why do you talk those . ? :-) I'm so happy that I'm incorrigible unix user. Because I use Windows, Linux, OpenBSD, Solaris/OpenSolaris, MacOs. I offer and admin Windows for people or companies which want/need it and so on. And I'm much more happy that I'm not so "clever" user which come to OpenSolaris forum and shout how OpenSolaris is bad because I don't understand it and that only Windows are only way ;-) Eh one thing to mention. My preferred OS is OpenBSD ;-) Whee what to do now? I must found some errors in OpenBSD, isn't it? :-D I don't say to users that they must use CLI ;-) I install system for them, they pay me for it and then they can use it without problems in GUI ;-) Because user != admin .If you aren't able to install and setup system then don't cry and pay someone for it. Ok enough. If you will have normal school then you will be able to find on Internet that Firefox was renamed from 3.1x to 3.5 during development cycle and that at least for Unix systems there were/are three versions available 2.x, 3.1x and 3.5x. It was in time before 2009.06 so looks like developers weren't able to do that in time. Don't know why but of course you have 3.5x version in dev repositories. Everyone can blame OpenSolaris developers or Sun, but it must be done with intelligence and I don't talk about intelligence of brick. There are problems in OpenSolaris and bugs too and competent user know it. Just unqualified users talk about CLI or similar as something death and unneeded and that every OS on the Earth must integrate concepts of Windows or GUI in generall. -- Th
Re: [osol-discuss] Some Why?-Questions
1) Buy more memory. Update OpenSolaris trough dev repository and post outputs of 'vmstat 1 10' and 'top' commands 2) It's OpenSolaris. Read about ZFS first, try it and you will hate ext* very quickly. 3) Memory and maybe some problem with your HW thanks to info that your installation take 95% or RAM. So again some info about your HW will be great like 'prtdiag -v' and similar. 4) Initial support is in dev versions. But you have Terminal instead if you need it immediately. I can really recommend to move your data to ZFS or implement ZFS on your other disks and prepare some SW RAID. Of course if you want to be your data in safe ;-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] install/update/uninstall adobe reader/firefox/jdk
1) Installing application doesn't require too much knowledge. You can set repositories in GUI Package Manager and install packages from there too. So what's your problem? Which school you have? I'm just curious... In OpenSolaris there is a GUI available on Live CD and immediately after installation too. It's one of five icons on panel. My small son was able to find for what stuff is this icon in about 5 minutes. Who cares what Linus said? Maybe his chiefs in RedHat. Installing applications and upgrading system is very easy in OpenSolaris even for people without knowledge thanks to GUI Package manager. OpenSolaris should be used as desktop system. But most of users will be maybe advanced users. GUI for server is in most cases just hype and another huge layer of security problems. But yes, there are cases when some GUI is ok for server like storage system from Sun build on top of OpenSolaris (Fish works). Why do you thing that it's topmost requirement? Because you said that? Companies can use OpenSolaris without problems because they can buy support which can be even 5 years long. You can buy it too so again what's your problem? If it's not enough for you then use Solaris when you can get 10+ years support. 2) To implement correct libraries in package is job of package maintainer. If you are missing something and you aren't able to do it by yourself then pay someone for this job or use another system which is more appropriate for your job. No one OS can do everything well. 3) If you use IPS (GUI or CLI) then you can install/uninstall packages without problems. I didn't find any problem with it. If you install some package outside of supported system for packages (IPS) then you must know (if you have Graduate in Computer Science) that there can be files/directories which you must remove by hand and it's same even in Windows or Mac OS X or Linux ;-) Ok. Did you read man page for ping command? Please show me app which have every option available and is in format of GUI ;-) BTW do you know this http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=49AE8576-9BB9-4126-9761-BA8011FABF38&displaylang=en ? About 90% of tools in this package is in form of CLI. Guess why ;-) If you are looking for problems in network you don't use ping only, do you? Great, now we have acknowledge from you ;-) They don't need to know how it's running internally because some engineers prepared Space Shuttle for them. They just use it as written in manuals. BTW a lot of displays in Space shuttle shows just informations in text form ;-) Not some windows and so on. So please pay some engineer so he can prepare computer for you and you must read manual for users then everything will be ok. You are like pilot of Space shuttle which tries to blame engineers of Space shuttle that their job is bad just because there is not everything in format of GUI ;-) Human language..you can't read plain text? How did you do your Graduate? You were painting windows and pictures only? ;-D Firefox.please discover what change and when was done in Firefox naming and then come to ask again ;-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris 2009.06 ZFS - COMSTAR iSCSI - NFS Reboot Issue
If you haven't subscriptions from Sun then you haven't updates for apps and security updates too. So switch to dev version and test it again. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] install/update/uninstall adobe reader/firefox/jdk
To add something another. Operating systems are very complex. And I mean VERY. So asking why not everything is not in GUI and easy as possible is like to ask NASA if they can provide Space shuttle for you with only two buttons labeled Launch and Landing ;-) In IT it's very similar. You can prepare multimedia desktop with OpenBSD for your grandmother too, but you must know what to do and how to do that. If you don't know then you must pay someone or ask someone around you for help. A lot of people think that if they are able to install Windows from CD (either legally or non-legally) and that they were able to build their own PC thanks to colors on devices which show where to place every piece that now they know everything what they need to be admin of their own PC. MS tried that and now try very hard to switch it back with Vista and Windows 7, UAC and similar technologies. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] install/update/uninstall adobe reader/firefox/jdk
1) I use current of OpenBSD, but it's because of their release process. Their current version is far better then any other OS in stable version. OpenSolaris dev versions are not so good, but still very usable for normal work. And you have BE + ZFS + snapshots sou you don't need to be worry. In case of problems you can wait for another release on your previous BE. Security and apps updates are for free only in dev. 2) Adobe Reader is hell on any OS thanks to its security flaws and bugs in app. About librariesno problem if you use apps from repositories. Either on OpenBSD, OpenSolaris or Linux. When you start compile apps then you can expect problems and a lot of RTFM and UTFG on any OS. But yes on OpenSolaris it's more visible (as I discovered too). 3) In OpenSolaris if you will use eg. 'pfexec pkg uninstall -v firefox' in Terminal then you will see what was done during remove of package. But to know where are packages stored you must read documentation about it(IPS) and at least 'man filesystem'. It use ZFS so no disk fragmentation (there aren't tools for it) at maximum you can get only full disk :-) Registry cleanup? No registry here 'man filesystem'. Disk error checking provide ZFS automatically but it's good idea to start sometimes scrub function in ZFS either manually or with some script and of course you have backups, do you? Viruses - a very small amount viruses for Unix-like systems because thanks to philosophy they need VERY active reponse from user. It may change in future as you can see with MacOs X, but still it's mainly because of poor implementation and "approach to newbies". Network tuning - system tries a lot, but still you can improve it a lot and you can tweak your OS, but if you have some piece of crap with some horrible binary blob driver from some obscure vendor (it may be even Cisco ;-)) as your AP, firewall, ADSL router and so on then you can expect problems. Or if your ISP is idiot like in this case http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=12596907080 4275&w=2 . Services are covered very well in OpenSolaris with SMF 'man smf' . IPS is Image Packaging System. For command line there is a pkg command and in Gnome you have GUI version for some basic things. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] install/update/uninstall adobe reader/firefox/jdk
I know that pkgsrc is available, but integration is not so good and results are not so superb. Still a lot of problems. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] install/update/uninstall adobe reader/firefox/jdk
1) because you don't pay for support in case you have 2009.06 release or you don't use dev repository where you can get these updates for free 2) why do you use Adobe Reader (with its hell of loaded scripts and unneeded stuff) when you have Evince in base system? No problem with Evince and PDF files after years for me (same for ePDFview which is in contrib repository) 3) If you uninstall something then it's gone. It's same for any OS so what's your point? Updating/Installing of latest Firefox doesn't involve any unix knowledge. Just pay for subscriptions to Sun or set dev repository as preferred in GUI Package Manager and that's all. Ask Adobe why they don't provide package in this method of install for OpenSolaris http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+desktop/webinstall It's known problem of Solaris/OpenSolaris (missing packages) so you must compile a lot and you can expect a lot of failures. Ask Sun why they decided to write IPS and not implement pkgsrc or similar. At least you can do something here to change at least number of available packages http://pkgfactory.opensolaris.org/ or you may use this http://www.nexenta.org/ . And Solaris/OpenSolaris was/is mainly server/developer operating system so for this area you have a lot of packages available. Other areas are changing slowly. For multimedia you can ask in USA why they must use patents and similar things so that you can't have strong crypto or multimedia codecs in systems ;-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] User management via http
Why do you want to do that? In production environment only admins can do that. It's because of many reasons. With RBAC or sudo you can provide similar functionality in CLI, but I don't know about GUI interface. There was Sun Management Console in Solaris, but it's not in OpenSolaris as I know. Or maybe you are looking for LDAP? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] system info
Mmm no one mentioned Sun Explorer http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-6613 and maybe better in OpenSolaris similar app written in Dtrace http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+dtrace/dexplorer -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] how to use SUNWnetcat to capture network traffic?
I think that this man pages (with some real examples) is enough http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=nc&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2009/06 2010/02 update/upgrade problems
RedHat and Microsoft get broken? Unbelievable :-D (just joke). I hope that I will work soon with OpenBSD only. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Very slow boot time ( > 35minutes)
So at least... what devices do you have on IRQ 16? What shows 'pfexec intrstat' command? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2009/06 2010/02 update/upgrade problems
BTW he use wifi for this problem : "I am updating over a wireless 11b network" And I was asking for some outputs too and no response yet. Maybe you can expect something similar like why those commands aren't implemented in GUI yet. heh -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2009/06 2010/02 update/upgrade problems
ou and maybe you will find this thread useful http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=118859&tstart=0 To learn how to ask questions and how to react to people which offer some help for you ;-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2009/06 2010/02 update/upgrade problems
BTW thanks to you some good old thread come to my mind again :-) It's from another OS, but I think that a lot of people will find it funny too :-) So here it is : Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be professionals. Not a bunch of whining windows update people that have to call "IT" to launch excel. In case you hadn't noticed we are old school UNIX users that don't mind fixing whatever problem is at hand. Including writing code or fixing a bug. This is why in the olden days your IT department was worth something and wasn't a bunch of monkeys reading a script. But come on Bret, that's what the industry WANTS.. you can PAY monkeys less! Push Butan "...make OS for newbies, and only newbies will want to use this OS." "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." ~Author Unknown -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2009/06 2010/02 update/upgrade problems
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 Every OS has bugs, but it needs a lot of time from user/admin to discover it. You talk about update/upgrade/install in every post so what do you want in fact? Now you talk only about install? Ok. So did you try 'pfexec pkg install -v openoffice' command in terminal to post ouput for us to find problem? Post 'traceroute pkg.opensolaris.org' and 'ping -s pkg.opensolaris.org' too. So you react like teen when someone post help for you and you want to talk about some attitude? Learn manners first. It will help you a lot in normal life and not only in IT area. And guess what? Have a nice day ;-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2009/06 2010/02 update/upgrade problems
I'm not from Sun. My preferred OS is different. Who says that there are plans to have Solaris/OpenSolaris as mainstream? Package manager is not broken. I tested it now and it's working as expected in snv_111 and snv_127 too. So your network is broken and you think that it's a problem of Package manager? Did you test your connection to servers at least with traceroute and ping? I don't think that I'm guru even after years with Unix-like. I'm helping a lot of people and people which know me can say same. But people which are lazy to pay someone for administration must learn that either they must learn those systems or must provide answers, outputs, ... if someone ask for it from them. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2009/06 2010/02 update/upgrade problems
I don't write anything about GUI Package Manager. Set dev repository as your preferred and then try 'pfexec pkg image-update -v' and post output here. And if you have snv_127 then you can't update anything because no newer versions in repositories. And why you can't do some parts in GUI? Because CLI is much more verbose in these things and you have much more control over your system. In fact I don't use GUI Package Manager and with your problem output from CLI is much more useful for us. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2009/06 2010/02 update/upgrade problems
2009.06 release is snv_111, but 2010.02 preview is from snv_112 to snv_127 If you have snv_127 then you can't update because no newer version yet in repositories. If you have snv_111 then post output of 'pkg publisher' command because you must have dev repository set for updates from snv_111 onward. Then you can try 'pfexec pkg image-update -v' command to get more detailed info about possible error. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris 2009/06 2010/02 update/upgrade problems
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html where is exact info which versions do you have, which command you try to run to provide update/upgrade, where is exact error message you received during update/upgrade and so on -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What version of a program in IPS?
See posts below. Everything is in man pages (official source of documentation). Sometimes more easier sources for read are here http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/documentation -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] What version of a program in IPS?
man pkg -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Cluster
Maybe this PDF will be useful for you too http://www.opensolaris.cz/system/files/SunClusterForTieto.pdf -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Cluster
How about a nice big cup of RTFM? ;-) http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+ha-clusters/Documentation -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why is using Package Manager such a pain in the A$$?
It works, but it doesn't mean that it works well. Don't know why Sun decided to reinvent wheel (the most stupid idea in Unix world opposite to K.I.S.S.). There is pkgsrc available for Solaris or there are packaging systems from OpenBSD, FreeBSD, ... with good licence. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] sumary of good and bad from osol for me
Mmmm Solaris/OpenSolaris have great features like ZFS, Dtrace, SMF, Containers so if you are developer or you need some storage server then these are superb for you (OK for storage server I will take DragonflyBSD in count too). For other cases and especially desktop I will use something different. Even OpenBSD is better on desktop then OpenSolaris (codecs, available apps and so on). Linuxthere are some uses like for any other OS, but I prefer to work not repair bugs after updates in some versions. This story says a lot http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=125783114503531&w=2 Every time you will end in situation that you must use what's appropriate for your situation and no one OS can do everything well and in every OS are bugs, but it depends on what types of bugs and how developers "fight" with them http://openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2009-release_engineering/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Are there any hopes I can use OpenSolaris on any of my computers?
Maybe someone can't hear that, but you need newer HW for OpenSolaris to get good performance and support. Maybe you can take a look at DragonflyBSD and their Hammer FS (snapshots, 64bit filesystem, on-line checks of metadata and so on -> quite similar to ZFS) or OpenBSD if you want to stable, secure, simple, clean and functional system out of the box. You must find right OS for your needs and Win, Mac, Sol/Osol doesn't sound like good solution thanks to bad support of older HW. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] sumary of good and bad from osol for me
1) Yes, but you must hope that it will be ok, but I'm not so optimistic in this case. You know Sun is company from USA and they must play well with advocacy. I prefer this politic - http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html -> no problem with multimedia and so on and with strong crypto too as system is prepared in Canada, Norway, Sweden and so on. You can choose what to prefer : protection of really stupid patent politics or legal freedom. And don't think that some other "free" OS are better in this area. Citation : Linux plays nice with everyone, signs any NDA and takes drivers under any conditions...and they get crap, too...but they are content with it! 2) I'm waiting for this one http://www.bsdfund.org/projects/pcc/ so even gcc full of bugs can be left behind. Ok, they are adding features and so on, but looks like no one cares about bugs 3) ;-) Then ok, but you described it as something what you do every hour or so :-) 5) Something very funny for this area ;-) http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#35 2) btfrs is not production ready. They are changing API a lot. It's in dev stage. And Hamme FS is production ready like ZFS is. We've had data loss even with stable ZFS, regular scrub and contract from Sun so 6) Mmmm I'm using OpenBSD so something like '# kill -HUP `cat /var/run/inetd.pid`' is way quicker and ok for me :-D -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Why it is so difficult...
Mmm maybe because it sounds like one of those "win" printers which are not ok when comparing with standards? http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h1574.htm says that you need driver from CD for USB connections and then you can use network connections. So maybe some "magic" in USB driver? Real USB printer don't need driver as it works how standar of USB says. And can't see problem to use this http://www.google.com/search?q=Brother+HL-2150N+%2BSolaris which says immediately in first post that it's possible to use it in OpenSolaris but maybe not all functions and that it's not PostScript printer (translation -> crap). -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] sumary of good and bad from osol for me
1) You know those licensing reasons and sharks in suites ;-) But you don't need compile http://solaris.homeunix.com/ of course not everything is so OK 2) There are worst reasons for this ;-) Like non-standard libraries in system for C/C++ so even with Sun Studio you can't compile some apps. I don't think that this will change quickly if anytime 3) Are you rebooting your computer or using it? ;-) Boot process is not so quick on my OpenBSD too, but I can tweak it trough custom kernel. But why to do that? It boots in 45s or so (really don't know exactly) and for me is quality, stability and security much more important then boot quicker for about 10s or so 4) Sound system is quite old. A lot of improvements in last builds, but it's based on Solaris which was mainly server system and not musicians station ;-) Video...ehm...my Intel sucks on OpenSolaris. In OpenBSD it runs superb. Both are using Xorg, but OpenBSD use http://www.xenocara.org/ . Sun chose Nvidia and that's why you have GUI app for setting it in OpenSolaris. On OpenBSD 3D runs great on Intel, ATI, VIA and some really old Nvidia. Intel and ATI/AMD provide documentation, similar for VIA. Nvidia offer blobs. 5) Yes. Some features are good, but overall feeling is like in horror including searching, deleting packages with dependencies and so on. Don't know why they do that when there is either pkgsrc for Solaris platform or rpm, apt-get and so on. OK last two are GPL so maybe this is a reason, but there are great packaging systems in BSD world. nice things: 1) yes because some drivers are ported from BSD world and Intel just add firmware. In BSD you must download firmware separately in package 2) correct. Only concurrency is http://www.dragonflybsd.org/hammer/ 3) Mmmm maybe. It depends. 4) I don't think so. Solaris is better in this area (when comparing those 2 OS) 5) Yes 6) SMF is great and I can't see speed problems. 7) I know about better implemenation, but at least it's working so we must wait what will be in future -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sun UltraSparc: XVR-500, Expert 3D, legacy graphic cards
You can run Solaris apps in compat mode under OpenBSD ;-) zfs - no , but you can try real competitor from BSD world in this area - DragonflyBSD zones - chroot of course, not same, but no one says that OpenBSD is good for everything virtualization - no until developers correct their buggy craps (VirtualBox,Wine and so on) You want to use your Sun Blade but in same time you want to use Solaris. Then you have big problem because of this http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 ' Blobs are vendor-compiled binary drivers without any source code. Hardware makers like them because they obscure the details of how to make their hardware work. They hide bugs and workarounds for bugs. Newer versions of blobs can weaken support for older hardware and motivate people to buy new hardware...' So you have option. Buy new hardware or use different OS where you have much more longer support for your HW. Funny that many people will choose first option. Some higher lines of Sun HW are very good because of many reasons when comparing to buggy i386/amd64 but if you need something like HA cluster or so then you must use Solaris/OpenSolaris, but if you want NFS server, web server and so on you can be very happy with OpenBSD or maybe another BSD. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Skype is being open sourced! OpenSolaris?
https://imo.im/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] adp driver & the extra repository
Some light on Adaptec ;-) Note: In the past years Adaptec has lied to us repeatedly about forthcoming documentation which would have allowed us to stabilize, improve and manage RAID support for these (rather buggy) raid controllers. As a result, we do not recommend the Adaptec cards for use. Of course that this sentence is not from Sun. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Multimedia support in OpenSolaris 2010.02?
It can't be better as Sun must be polite on laws in USA. Things that don't need proprietary codecs are without problems. Flash 10 is available in extra repository which you can get here pkg.sun.com or you can download it from Adobe pages. For other multimedia I can really recommend this site http://solaris.homeunix.com/ there you can find useful repository and manuals with help. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ipv6 ->ipv4
How did you check that solution from link doesn't work? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
Something about KIUS :
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to
produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning."
~Author Unknown
from other OS :
Correction, a professional OS that requires its users to be
professionals. Not a bunch of whining windows update people that have
to call "IT" to launch excel. In case you hadn't noticed we are old
school UNIX users that don't mind fixing whatever problem is at hand.
Including writing code or fixing a bug. This is why in the olden days
your IT department was worth something and wasn't a bunch of monkeys
reading a script.
You can build nice GUI around CLI. It's a way of
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+vpanels/ or some GUIs in Gnome and
so on. But CLI is sometimes more easy and more quicker way of doing something
then clicking there and there. You must work with CLI and GUI for some time to
fully understand it.
Yes, home user don't go trough CLI. For this way there is MacOs, Ubuntu,
Windows and so on for him. But don't try communist approach on me that you know
better what's best for me. I know what's best for me that's why I use OpenBSD
and OpenSolaris. I'm advanced user so please leave decisions for me, ok? No one
is saying that you must use OpenSolaris or any other OS then Windows. We are
saying simple sentence - Use what's appropriate for you. Time can't change
anytime in future so much that I will must use OS for "newbies" and I have good
reasons for it especially in those Internet times. Read at least this post
http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20091025011137 and maybe you
will understand why KIUS is danger even for users which want KIUS.
For home users there are things like Network-manager in Gnome under Ubuntu, or
nwam under OpenSolaris and so on. But I want more control that's why I prefer
CLI because I can control and change much more things with it then it will be
anytime possible with GUI. Please tell us how you will check status of your ARP
table or change ARP settings in Windows with GUI ;-) Or if your binary blob
driver for network card can't change MAC address how you will do it in Windows?
In regedit, but WTH how can users can now or remember this name? Especially
last part ;-
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E972-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002bE10318}
Yes, that's why banks, telecom operators and so on use Unix systems without GUI
;-) And companies like Dell, HP and others sell laptops/desktops/servers with
Unix systems too, that's why RedHat funds have higher price then Microsoft,
that's why in professional graphic industry is more then half workstations with
Unix, that's why movies like Jurassic Park, Matrix, Terminator and so on were
made on SGI with Irix which is Unix and hey, they had super GUI and great 3D in
1992 and so on, where was Windows ;-), Unix is there from 1969 si Unix is ahead
not Windows ;-), yea those great superb cheap options read first something
about this crap i386 architecture, weak implementation of BIOS and so on then
maybe you will understand why crackes so much love Windows and your data ;-)
And why netbooks are with ARM, super servers are with SPARC and so on. There is
place for many OS's but some are more appropriate for some taks then others so
please get it right as soon as possible ;-)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Xen vs VirtualBox vs ??
Here are some possibilities for virtualization under OpenSolaris : http://www.opensolaris.cz/system/files/virtualization.pdf If you want to use CentOS you can do that directly in zones : http://www.opensolaris.cz/system/files/ContainersForTieto.pdf And all documentation you can find in man pages, here http://www.opensolaris.org/os/documentation/ in section Zones, BrandZ, Xen, and Logical Domains , something can be here http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo200906/Home and for VirtualBox here http://www.virtualbox.org/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Error 1 & 2 when compiling GCC 4.4.2 on OpenSolaris 2009.06
Read this part from OpenBSD FAQ - 15.4.7 - How do I tweak these ports to have maximum performance? OpenBSD is about stability and security. Just like the GENERIC kernel is the default and the only supported kernel, the ports team makes sure the ports work and are stable. If you want to switch on all kinds of compiler options, you are on your own. Please do not ask questions on the mailing lists such as why it does not work, when you tried to switch on a few hidden knobs to make it work faster. In general, all this tweaking is not necessary for more than 99% of users, and it is very likely to be a complete waste of time, for you, the user, as well as for the developers who read about your "problems" when in reality there are none. But similar is true for other OS's too. Use what's in base as much as possible. So install GCC from IPS. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Error running make on Mplayer in OpenSolaris 2009.06
Why so obscure repositories? Take a look here http://solaris.homeunix.com/ and this is correct IPS http://ips.homeunix.com:10906/ And for your own compilation find two posts about Mplayer on this page http://blogs.sun.com/observatory/ -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
It's reply on this : I know basic unix things like file permissions and file system navigation. I gone thru basic unix and shell dumb theories / commands in my computer science graduation course. Since 1997, I have been using windows and installing and reinstalling windows and several user related applications. I created, modified and deleted several directories(which are non-system related. Many are user applications related.) Only restricting the user to home directory is just too much restrictive. I want to make my user account as admin ac so that I can create directories and modify and/or delete them later. I just want to get out of my home dir. Is this the case even if I have multiple partitions under open solaris. Discussions is somewhat divided in threads but ok, those threads aren't so much visible. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
Make OS for newbies and only newbies will want to use it. If 80% or 90% of users use something doesn't mean that it's good for me too. You are trying to tweak something to Windows way. Maybe by accident only, but still. A lot of friends around me have Ubuntu, either parents, grandparents or young people and they don't have problems with it. Because they are just using it. And yes if they want they can learn it deeply. And same is true for any other OS. I can prepare home multimedia desktop from OpenBSD for someone but it can be something different then what he/she expect. Every time use what's appropriate for you. No one OS can do everything in all cases right. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
http://www.opensolaris.org http://docs.sun.com And you think that we are somewhat bad on you, but it's not true. A lot of people are giving help to you, but it looks like you don't want to listen and understand. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
Just because you were visiting some school doesn't mean that you have appropriate knowledge. Restricting user to home directory is not too much restrictive. Normal user don't need anything outside of his/her home directory. If he/she use some apps which need something like that then developer of this app made needed steps. If you created normal user during installation then your user is able to operate as user. Happy reading http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4557/prbactm-1?a=view And you have multiple partitions on OpenSolaris. OpenSolaris uses ZFS, but you are still trying some old approach from 1997. What school have you? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
You can have full power of Unix in GUI if you know what do. You don't know so you must use what someone prepared for you. If it's not what you are looking for then you can use your old solution or try another. It's a freedom. Just because you don't understand power of CLI doesn't mean that it's bad. I think that in MS must be some incorrigible fans because they are so in love with Power Shell ;-D http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/management/powershell/default.mspx oh my GOD they must be crazy they have cmd in their systems and WTH they have for advanced users other CLI utilities in support tools where you can do things which aren't possible in GUI. I think that they really need doctor because they are using CLI in such a lot of places :-D -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid , that's why Unix-world use a lot of text. Because people can read text no some binary data stuff ;-) And yes, you can build nice GUI on text base as you can see in MacOs or OpenSolaris or Ubuntu. OS = Operating system system mean most of the times some complex system and all OS's are really complex systems. Users can use them. Admins are here to install them, setup them and so on. Developers are here to improve them, write apps for them and so on. Do you have car? Maybe yes. You are using it. Car is very complex system. If you will want to build one by your self you will by crying around how everything in this car is stupid or will you be reading and learning about cars first? ;-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
Again and again. You don't read anything about ZFS. 1) You can't have full home partition if you have some free space on disk because ZFS will use free space for your file in home. Of course you can set quotas so user can use say 20GB of space and so on 2) Same situation. Until you have some free space on disk you don't need to be worry about it. Your last two sentences are acknowledge that you don't read anything about ZFS. ZFS was written from scratch to go around old obscurities which you are describing. Read at least this http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/whatis/ and this http://opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfs_last.pdf -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
man pages are documentation about system for users, admins and developers. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that it's bad. If some user has brain he don't need to go through it. He can use right click in GUI as in Windows. And name home is very clean description of for what this directory is. Normal user don't need to go outside of home. User which wants to be admin can go outside and he can touch anything in his system if he has appropriate rights. Again. You don't understand Unix (and don't want to understand), ZFS and so on and that's why you cry around. Your home directory is not on same partition. But this can understand only someone which want to understand. Login directly with root is not best thing, but worst thing as you can see with one unnamed OS which is so vulnerable to viruses, bots and so on. You don't need change permissions on / because of security and so on, but you can't understand it yet. Users can use emails, databases and so on without problems on Solaris, Linux, BSD, MacOS, Windows. But every time someone must install those OS's for them. If they aren't able to do that they can ask someone. Many people try it by them self without appropriate knowledge and we can see a lot of problems coming from it. Even MS is changing approach that every one can by sysadmin with their UAC's and so on. You can use file browser on OpenSolaris. Its name is Nautilus. It's a part of Gnome. And you can start it any time by clicking on Places - Home Folder or other links in Places. If you don't like it you can install another. You can have a lot of them. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unable to access the open solaris across the network..Urg!!!
Why is it urgent? You installed something without preparations and reading something about OpenSolaris? At least these : http://dlc.sun.com/osol/docs/content/2009.06/getstart/prepare.html http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo200906/Administering+Your+Automatic+Network+Connection http://wikis.sun.com/label/OpenSolarisInfo200906/network -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unable to access the open solaris across the network..Urg!!!
Eh what? Of course it's working. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] package manager - new feature request
You used Windows without any guide? So you know without any reading how to do proper setup of Internet computer based on Windows in mmc, you know how to work with registry without some guide, you know how to use support tools in cooperation with your initial setup and so on? Then sorry for my noise. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sun Solaris 10 Zones - specification available?
http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-1592?l=en -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] package manager - installation dir
Ou. Great. Thanks to point. I think that man hier will be more appropriate. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] package manager - new feature request
And again. You don't understand Unix world. Read something about it first. Application settings are stored in your home directory so you can't loose them after upgrade of OS or installation of new version of app. Some apps may have additional directories with specific settings but it's mentioned in their documentation or in man page. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] general request/advice/suggestion for os and os app developers
1) You completely misunderstood ZFS so that's why you don't know why it needs at least 1GB of RAM for normal function and even why it can run with less then 512MB of RAM 2) Learn something about Solaris 3) Use OS which is appropriate for your needs and don't listen to PRs then something is only one great OS because then you will be crying around like right now ;-) My preferred OS is OpenBSD. I'm able to use it as multimedia desktop, gaming platform or something like firewall, router or secure file/mail/... server and so on. But it doesn't mean that this OS is good for every use on the Earth. No, it isn't. That's why I'm using OpenSolaris/Solaris too. There are a lot of other OS's with lower needs on HW, but they may want more "brain" from their users. And yes, even OpenSolaris can use much lower resources if you know how to do it ;-) But yes, other OS's offer easier part in this. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] create a directory/ file
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/documentation/ http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo200906/Home man man As a user you don't need anything then your home directory. And until you learn some about Unix and read some of links above don't touch anything outside of your home or you will damage or destroy your installation. Message was edited by: bodie -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] install apps intended for other unix variants
1) Use as much as possible apps from official repositories or some third party repositories 2) If it's not enough then consider using some virtualization 3) If it's still not enough then learn how to compile apps on OpenSolaris, how to prepare apps for IPS in OpenSolaris and so on -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] change root password
man pfexec man passwd -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] package manager - installation dir
If you want to have garbage on your disk then use another OS. Packaging systems like IPS and others are here to have consistent hierarchy of installed packages on your system for easy maintenance, easy writing of apps from third vendors and so on. If you are installing some app which is not in repositories then there is a possibility that you can choose where to install it (like with RealPlayer). But anyway, recommended directory is /opt . I can't find similar man page on OpenSolaris (maybe it's thanks to ZFS filesystem which is totally different then others on Unix or Win platform) but you can get idea here http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=hier&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current&arch=i386&format=html or in similar pages on Linux and so on. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] package manager - installation dir
:-D +1 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] No sound in Firefox/Flash, GNOME and other apps work (snv_118)
Post output of : prtconf -v | grep -i audio as a starting point Is audiotest running for you? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris: insecure or unstable ?
Don't think about it as Linux. It has more with BSD systems. Like OpenBSD. You have release, you can have stable with security updates but only for base system (sunsolve.sun.com). If you want updates for packages too then you must use current(dev). Which is not problem. It's problem when you must use another OS because OpenBSD is in current versions way ahead in stability then any other OS in its stable version. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] #top - Segmentation Fault
It's not bad habit on Solaris. top is somewhat bad habit when you have a lot of users on some system using it in one time ;-) http://www.brendangregg.com/DTrace/prstatvstop.html -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
