Re: [osol-discuss] Jumping ship.. what of the data
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Tim Bell tim.b...@gmail.com writes: Tearing apart or reinstalling an existing machine before the next one is up and ready is too terrifying for me to consider. It may cost more, but (IMO), hardware is cheap, and preserving that fallback option is worth it. Sound like a smart choice. I guess this is not the time to be a tightwad and try to go on the cheap. The only thing that would be able to be salvaged anyway is the case itself and even a nice roomy one like the antec sonata I have, with a power supply, would be less than $200 I guess. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Hey, Not sure why anyone would run Win natively and guest UNIX of their own volition ... but hey, if someone has some data that supports that solution, cool. First consideration is _always_ backups. All the tools for storage are included with 'Solaris. Of course tar, rsync and friends are available (and a whack of solutions based on these as well). Externalizing your storage through a NAS/SAN would be an excellent direction to pursue as well. Hypervisors (Vmware and others) can make hardware available to guest(s) certainly. -- Cheers, Steven --- Steven Acres Toronto OpenSolaris User Group TOROSUG Leader http://opensolaris.org/os/project/torosug ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Jumping ship.. what of the data
[NOTE: This post was inadvertanly begun on the `zfs' list but belongs here so reposting with some changes, introducing another whole line of question] If I were to decide my current setup is too problem beset to continue using it, is there a guide or some good advice I might employ to scrap it out and build something newer and better in the old roomy midtower? I don't mean the hardware part, although I no doubt will need advice right through that part too, but here I'm asking about maintaining the data on 3 mirrored pools. I have: rpool @ 2 WD 500GB (old fashioned IDE) pool2 @ 2 WD 500GB sata pool3 @ 2 WD 750GB sata A total of something like 1.7 tb maybe 35% full of data I'm a bit worried about whether with modern hardware the IDE drives will even have a hookup. If it does, can I just hook the two rpool discs up to two of them and expect it to boot OK? I expect to make sure I have a goodly number of sata connections even if it means extra cards, but again, can just hook the other mirrored discs up and expect them to just work. Not likely is my guess, so what about some kind of brief outline to use for a plan of attack? Would I expect to need to reinstall for starters? ---- ---=--- - Another whole approach might be to host the Opensolaris OS on new powerful hardware setup running windows 7. This would be because I've become something of a semi-professional video and graphics editor since retirement... its starting to be a lot of what I do. All my tools rely on windows OS... like the adobe suites or the sony (Vegas) tools. There just are not really top notch tools that run on either linux or solaris. I've been using my Opensolaris machine as a home NAS for the hefty files involved in graphics work. So to host OSol on a windows machine running some of modern stuff like i7 920 CPUs and dual quad cores etc etc And especially really hefty amounts of ram. Adobe tools really love the RAM. But the rub would be how to get my current data onto a VM hosted Opensolaris OS. I don't think I could just attach the current disks and make the VM hosted OS use them... I'm not sure, but I'd need to move some 400-500GB of data. I'd like to hear a few ideas about that. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Jumping ship.. what of the data
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: I don't mean the hardware part, although I no doubt will need advice right through that part too, but here I'm asking about maintaining the data on 3 mirrored pools. I have: rpool @ 2 WD 500GB (old fashioned IDE) pool2 @ 2 WD 500GB sata pool3 @ 2 WD 750GB sata A total of something like 1.7 tb maybe 35% full of data I'm a bit worried about whether with modern hardware the IDE drives will even have a hookup. If it does, can I just hook the two rpool discs up to two of them and expect it to boot OK? ATA-SATA adapter hardware is $5 US shipped. (All of the ones I've seen are actually bidirectional and do SATA-ATA as well). I expect to make sure I have a goodly number of sata connections even if it means extra cards, but again, can just hook the other mirrored discs up and expect them to just work. Not likely is my guess, so what about some kind of brief outline to use for a plan of attack? Would I expect to need to reinstall for starters? Depends on what your current problems are, of course. --- - ---=--- - Another whole approach might be to host the Opensolaris OS on new powerful hardware setup running windows 7. This would be because I've become something of a semi-professional video and graphics editor since retirement... its starting to be a lot of what I do. All my tools rely on windows OS... like the adobe suites or the sony (Vegas) tools. Or you could run Windows in VirtualBox. Or both on VMware or something. But the rub would be how to get my current data onto a VM hosted Opensolaris OS. I don't think I could just attach the current disks and make the VM hosted OS use them... I'm not sure, but I'd need to move some 400-500GB of data. Yes, you should be able to just attach the disks to any regular VM. -Albert ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Jumping ship.. what of the data
Albert Lee tr...@opensolaris.org writes: [...] ATA-SATA adapter hardware is $5 US shipped. (All of the ones I've seen are actually bidirectional and do SATA-ATA as well). So that would appear as an IDE port then ... good. Depends on what your current problems are, of course. Far as OS goes I don't think I have a problem any more. I was getting repeated corrupted data (in the snapshots) on one pool but I think I've got that cleaned up by moving the data and `zfs destroy -r' the problem filesystems, then running a scrub. `zpool status' now gives the thumbs up, and the pool that received the data has made no complaints so far. --- - ---=--- - Another whole approach might be to host the Opensolaris OS on new powerful hardware setup running windows 7. This would be because I've become something of a semi-professional video and graphics editor since retirement... its starting to be a lot of what I do. All my tools rely on windows OS... like the adobe suites or the sony (Vegas) tools. Or you could run Windows in VirtualBox. Or both on VMware or something. That was my first thought too. But then someone here pointed out that why would I make windows the guest when the work is all windows native tools and processes. And if I had a plenty of ram, opensolaris would run full tilt as guest... and doesn't need a good quality graphics card (which is not available in VM far as I've heard. So it seems to make more sense with Osol as guest. But the rub would be how to get my current data onto a VM hosted Opensolaris OS. I don't think I could just attach the current disks and make the VM hosted OS use them... I'm not sure, but I'd need to move some 400-500GB of data. Yes, you should be able to just attach the disks to any regular VM. Are you saying you can set things in Vbox or VMware so that the guest uses actual hardware with no `virtual' layer in there? In other words you could assign the set of 2 500gb IDE drives as boot and rpool mirror to the guest OS? And the data would be available like it was when it was installed on an Osol machine? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Jumping ship.. what of the data
Hello But then someone here pointed out that why would I make windows the guest when the work is all windows native tools and processes. And if I had a plenty of ram, opensolaris would run full tilt as guest... and doesn't need a good quality graphics card (which is not available in VM far as I've heard. So it seems to make more sense with Osol as guest. I don't have a position on host versus guest to take at this stage. My point is: If I were you, and if your existing system is still working at all, I would _leave it alone_ and set up a brand new machine, configured the way you want to go forward. Then, connect a network wire between the two and transfer over your data. Yes, it may take a while to move your data, but by doing it this way you preserve your fallback-and-try-again options. Tearing apart or reinstalling an existing machine before the next one is up and ready is too terrifying for me to consider. It may cost more, but (IMO), hardware is cheap, and preserving that fallback option is worth it. Best Regards- Tim ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Jumping ship.. what of the data
Tim Bell tim.b...@gmail.com writes: Tearing apart or reinstalling an existing machine before the next one is up and ready is too terrifying for me to consider. It may cost more, but (IMO), hardware is cheap, and preserving that fallback option is worth it. Sound like a smart choice. I guess this is not the time to be a tightwad and try to go on the cheap. The only thing that would be able to be salvaged anyway is the case itself and even a nice roomy one like the antec sonata I have, with a power supply, would be less than $200 I guess. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
