Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[John Plocher]

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Scott Rotondo  wrote:
> Please don't speculate about anyone's departure, including whether it was 
> voluntary or not.

This is a reasonable request in general, as we don't want to cause
people distress or harm an individual's reputation.  In this case,
however, it is also a matter of historical record:  as part of their
taking control of Sun 5 months ago, Oracle intentionally laid off many
of the people who were in Senior Solaris and OpenSolaris
Engineering/Management positions; they also reassigned many other
active community members to non-OpenSolaris jobs.  In my mind, RIFs
and job reassignments certainly equate to being "sent away".

>  suffice it to say that Oracle is not actively "sending away" senior Solaris 
> engineers.

It also may be true that things have changed and Oracle is *now*
trying to retain and/or grow their Solaris engineering ranks.  Time
will tell...

  -John
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Scott Rotondo]

Please don't speculate about anyone's departure, including whether it was 
voluntary or not.

I won't comment on any individual, but suffice it to say that Oracle is not 
actively "sending away" senior Solaris engineers.

Scott

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On Jul 9, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Chris Pickett  wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:39 AM, John Plocher  wrote:
>> It might be worth going just to find out who the current "head of
>> Oracle Solaris development" really is; it'll certainly be more than
>> the OGB has been able to find out all year...
>> 
>> Might it be Stephen Hahn or Tim Marsland or Bill Franklin or Vincent
>> Murphy or Greg Lavender or someone completely new?
> 
> Sorry, but Tim Marsland has been fired on Oracle's behalf and now
> works for Apple. Most other Solaris lead designers were "send away" by
> Oracle, too.
> 
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Al Lang]

>> STOP!

Oh, for goodness sake. Get over it. Many of us are fans and enthusiasts with 
personal interest in the future of (Open)Solaris, not (just) dry formal 
professionals. People will gossip even (or especially) in the absence of 
formally reliable information. It's normal and natural and just fine. If you're 
not interested in what fans and enthusiasts have to say then stop reading 
public "-discuss" lists; if you are interested, then suck it up and learn to 
cope with a bit of idle chatter.
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Chris Pickett]

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:39 AM, John Plocher  wrote:
> It might be worth going just to find out who the current "head of
> Oracle Solaris development" really is; it'll certainly be more than
> the OGB has been able to find out all year...
>
> Might it be Stephen Hahn or Tim Marsland or Bill Franklin or Vincent
> Murphy or Greg Lavender or someone completely new?

Sorry, but Tim Marsland has been fired on Oracle's behalf and now
works for Apple. Most other Solaris lead designers were "send away" by
Oracle, too.

Chris
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Graham McArdle]

The advertised speaker was Greg Lavender, but since he's left for Cisco I guess 
they'll have to think again. Maybe they'll just have an empty, silent stage and 
let the audience draw their own conclusions...
OK OK I'll leave the dead horse alone now.
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Dave Miner]

On 07/ 9/10 09:09 AM, Calum Benson wrote:


On 9 Jul 2010, at 12:25, Simon Phipps wrote:



On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:49, Chris Ridd wrote:



On 9 Jul 2010, at 03:39, John Plocher wrote:


It might be worth going just to find out who the current "head of
Oracle Solaris development" really is; it'll certainly be more than
the OGB has been able to find out all year...

Might it be Stephen Hahn or Tim Marsland or Bill Franklin or Vincent
Murphy or Greg Lavender or someone completely new?


According to his blog, Stephen's no longer at Sun/Oracle.




I don't think any of the people John named are still at Oracle.


Vincent's still at Oracle (but he's not 'head of Oracle Solaris development', 
and I don't know who's supposed to be giving that presentation at OOW either...)



The participants for panels like this usually aren't sorted out this far 
in advance.  At least someone was thinking enough to reserve the slot so 
we can populate it later :-)


Dave

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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Calum Benson]

On 9 Jul 2010, at 12:25, Simon Phipps wrote:

> 
> On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:49, Chris Ridd wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jul 2010, at 03:39, John Plocher wrote:
>> 
>>> It might be worth going just to find out who the current "head of
>>> Oracle Solaris development" really is; it'll certainly be more than
>>> the OGB has been able to find out all year...
>>> 
>>> Might it be Stephen Hahn or Tim Marsland or Bill Franklin or Vincent
>>> Murphy or Greg Lavender or someone completely new?
>> 
>> According to his blog, Stephen's no longer at Sun/Oracle.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I don't think any of the people John named are still at Oracle.

Vincent's still at Oracle (but he's not 'head of Oracle Solaris development', 
and I don't know who's supposed to be giving that presentation at OOW either...)

Cheeri,
Calum.

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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Simon Phipps]

On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:49, Chris Ridd wrote:

> 
> On 9 Jul 2010, at 03:39, John Plocher wrote:
> 
>> It might be worth going just to find out who the current "head of
>> Oracle Solaris development" really is; it'll certainly be more than
>> the OGB has been able to find out all year...
>> 
>> Might it be Stephen Hahn or Tim Marsland or Bill Franklin or Vincent
>> Murphy or Greg Lavender or someone completely new?
> 
> According to his blog, Stephen's no longer at Sun/Oracle.
> 
> 

I don't think any of the people John named are still at Oracle.

S.

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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Chris Ridd]

On 9 Jul 2010, at 03:39, John Plocher wrote:

> It might be worth going just to find out who the current "head of
> Oracle Solaris development" really is; it'll certainly be more than
> the OGB has been able to find out all year...
> 
> Might it be Stephen Hahn or Tim Marsland or Bill Franklin or Vincent
> Murphy or Greg Lavender or someone completely new?

According to his blog, Stephen's no longer at Sun/Oracle.



Cheers,

Chris
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Gary]

STOP!

There are so many of these threads about the future of OpenSolaris.  I'm as 
guilty as anyone for replying to them, which keeps them alive, but enough is 
enough.  

Since the last one hasn't been replied to in over a day I thought that finally 
everything that could be said has been said, and thus, the thread ended.

Not now!  Yet again, the dead horse has been brought back so it can be beat 
again.

There is NOTHING more to be said.  Let it go.  If Oracle decides to release 
another version, they will and you can download it.  Otherwise, finding tidbits 
of information from Oracle that keeps saying Solaris 10, doesn't make an 
OpenSolaris release imminent.  Also, realize it says "Oracle Solaris 10" not 
"OpenSolaris" so I don't know how you can interpret that to mean the open 
source binary.

If there is anything to comment in what you posted, it's that IPS is dreadful, 
but just because they are talking about IPS, again, doesn't make OpenSolaris 
slotted for release.

So please, please, stop these futuristic musings about something nobody has any 
idea what may or may not be forthcoming!
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[John Plocher]

It might be worth going just to find out who the current "head of
Oracle Solaris development" really is; it'll certainly be more than
the OGB has been able to find out all year...

Might it be Stephen Hahn or Tim Marsland or Bill Franklin or Vincent
Murphy or Greg Lavender or someone completely new?

I don't suppose any non-Oracle community members were asked to be on
the panel, either.

  -John


On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Graham McArdle
 wrote:
> D'oh! I didn't notice the session listing was in multiple pages, and of 
> course it's after page 1 where the main event is lurking:
> "Oracle Solaris 10 and Beyond: Lead Engineers Panel (S317641)"
> Abstract: "This session, hosted by the head of Oracle Solaris development and 
> featuring a panel of core engineers
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Calum Benson]

On 9 Jul 2010, at 00:58, Graham McArdle wrote:

> I had a look at the sessions announced for Oracle Open World and got a bit 
> annoyed at the prominent announcement of "Oracle Linux Roadmap: A Penguin 
> Prospective (S316881)". Hmm, seems like Oracle doesn't fell the same need for 
> secrecy about what's in store for OEL.

Well, OEL is just RHEL with very few Oracle modifications, so Oracle couldn't 
really keep its roadmap 'secret' even if it wanted to (assuming that Red Hat 
have already publicised it).

Cheeri,
Calum.

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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Graham McArdle]

D'oh! I didn't notice the session listing was in multiple pages, and of course 
it's after page 1 where the main event is lurking:
"Oracle Solaris 10 and Beyond: Lead Engineers Panel (S317641)"
Abstract: "This session, hosted by the head of Oracle Solaris development and 
featuring a panel of core engineers responsible for a wide range of key Oracle 
Solaris technologies, covers the current state of the Oracle Solaris 10 and 
gives insights into the future direction of Oracle Solaris technologies and 
products. Come learn how Oracle Solaris can benefit your environment today and 
what will continue to make Oracle Solaris the most advanced enterprise OS going 
forward, with even more features for performance, serviceability, and ease of 
administration in both small- and large-scale deployments"
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Edward Martinez]

> also this one:
> "What's New and Cool, and the Platform to Take You
> There (S317591)"
> Most notably, after describing Oracle Solaris as "the
> platform to take you there", the abstract ends with:
> 
> "The session will close with an introduction to the
> new Image Packaging System (IPS) and tips for
> building and deploying packages for the Oracle
> Solaris OS."
> 
> Definitely not talking about Solaris 10 here.

after coming to my seneses;) I think opensolaris will be alright. you probably  
have already read Oracle is beginning to share info with the community leaders. 

Quote:

Dan is working closely together with the OGB and is already sharing all
the information he has. Oracle is still working out, how Solaris/Solaris
Next/OpenSolaris will play together. As I understood, this is the main
reason why OpenSolaris 2010H? is delayed.

http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=131530&tstart=0
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Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Graham McArdle]

also this one:
"What's New and Cool, and the Platform to Take You There (S317591)"
Most notably, after describing Oracle Solaris as "the platform to take you 
there", the abstract ends with: 
"The session will close with an introduction to the new Image Packaging System 
(IPS) and tips for building and deploying packages for the Oracle Solaris OS."

Definitely not talking about Solaris 10 here.
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[osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

[Graham McArdle]

I had a look at the sessions announced for Oracle Open World and got a bit 
annoyed at the prominent announcement of "Oracle Linux Roadmap: A Penguin 
Prospective (S316881)". Hmm, seems like Oracle doesn't fell the same need for 
secrecy about what's in store for OEL. But, to be fair, I did find this session 
for Oracle Solaris:
"Optimizing Your Datacenter Deployments with the Oracle Solaris Operating 
System (S317603)". So the title doesn't look so interesting but in the abstract 
I see these nuggets:
"This session explores the latest advances in Oracle Solaris...
... [b]The session also addresses the future direction of Oracle Solaris[/b] 
and how users can access new Oracle Solaris technology...
... If you're already running Oracle Solaris and want the latest information on 
the new release, come to the session, which presents strategies for upgrading 
to the latest Oracle Solaris from older versions..."

Of course it's not clear how new is new, i.e. will the next Sol10 update be out 
in time. Of course, nothing about OpenSolaris, but maybe they'll throw out a 
few crumbs when talking about the future direction of Solaris. Dan Roberts will 
be one of the speakers.
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