Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Martin Bochnig]

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:04 AM, Richard L. Hamilton  wrote:
>> On 22/04/2010 11:11, Svein Skogen wrote:
>> > On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote:
>> >> You miss the point. This is a discussion list
>> about OpenSolaris. Not
>> >> about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about
>> Solaris. Not about Solaris
>> >> patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even
>> without comment) would
>> >> be to sow FUD or dissention.
>> >
>> > Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing
>> pattern.
>>
>> The only pattern I can see so far is that Oracle are
>> starting to charge
>> for some things that sufficient people are willing to
>> pay for (which is
>> something that Sun wasn't very good at), whilst
>> keeping some other
>> things available for free.
>>
>> Cheeri,
>> Calum.
>
> Surely "sufficient people" exist that would pay for low-end support
> (sunsolve+patches only, or sunsolve+access to a repo with bug fixes, for 
> OpenSolaris)
> that otherwise might simply do without, or go elsewhere.
>
> Staying profitable is important.  But just because big customers can afford
> to drop big bucks, doesn't mean that small customers (home users, home
> businesses, students, etc) might not also be willing to spend what they 
> reasonably
> can for a relatively modest (little direct consumption of man-hours) level of 
> support.
> I just don't see the profit in not taking the little guys' money too; surely 
> it adds up...





Agreed! Ignoring medium sized to small customers had already been Sun's mistake.
Wasn't Oracle going to fix Sun's errors?

How? By repeating the old errors, but this time with 20times increased
intensity?!?

Examples:

* behaviour and action (or lack of action) "down to" the community
* lack of symmetric communication
* only picking the Fortune500's as single isolated targetted market?

The latter broke Sun its neck, when exactly that single market
imploded over night, during the recession


Ok Oracle, of course you still have 5 years until the next downturn comes...
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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Richard L. Hamilton]

> On 22/04/2010 11:11, Svein Skogen wrote:
> > On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote:
> >> You miss the point. This is a discussion list
> about OpenSolaris. Not
> >> about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about
> Solaris. Not about Solaris
> >> patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even
> without comment) would
> >> be to sow FUD or dissention.
> >
> > Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing
> pattern.
> 
> The only pattern I can see so far is that Oracle are
> starting to charge 
> for some things that sufficient people are willing to
> pay for (which is 
> something that Sun wasn't very good at), whilst
> keeping some other 
> things available for free.
> 
> Cheeri,
> Calum.

Surely "sufficient people" exist that would pay for low-end support
(sunsolve+patches only, or sunsolve+access to a repo with bug fixes, for 
OpenSolaris)
that otherwise might simply do without, or go elsewhere.

Staying profitable is important.  But just because big customers can afford
to drop big bucks, doesn't mean that small customers (home users, home
businesses, students, etc) might not also be willing to spend what they 
reasonably
can for a relatively modest (little direct consumption of man-hours) level of 
support.
I just don't see the profit in not taking the little guys' money too; surely it 
adds up...
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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Calum Benson]

On 22/04/2010 11:11, Svein Skogen wrote:

On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote:

You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not
about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris
patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would
be to sow FUD or dissention.


Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern.


The only pattern I can see so far is that Oracle are starting to charge 
for some things that sufficient people are willing to pay for (which is 
something that Sun wasn't very good at), whilst keeping some other 
things available for free.


Cheeri,
Calum.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Alan Hargreaves]

Responses inline:

Svein Skogen wrote:

On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote:

You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not
about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris
patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would
be to sow FUD or dissention.


Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern.


It's possible, but it looks more like an attempt to weave a conspiracy 
(which is always possible no matted where you choose to look for your 
"facts").



Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the
absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of
changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with
the total lack of communication skills.> 
Killing the conversation isn't the solution.


Again, the things Oracle *has* officially stated about OpenSolaris have 
been to the positive, and reference is being continually made to them by 
folks like Matthias.


[joke deleted]


Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it.


Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and
let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone
who actually have the authority to do something about the actual
problem: Lack of communications).



You know what I find really offensive about this statement? It's the 
implication that those of us who are inside Oracle (as technical people 
with an interest in OpenSolaris) are NOT doing this.


You have no idea what Oracle employees who work with OpenSolaris are 
doing and saying internally and to imply otherwise is incredibly 
presumptive.


I think it safe to say at the very least that there are a LOT of folks 
involved in VERY active discussions on many levels internally.


There are a lot of us who have put a lot of our lives and ourselves into 
this project and to even imply that we are sitting on our backsides 
twiddling our thumbs while this all happens is certainly not helpful and 
hardly encouraging for us to keep the discussions going.


> Killing the conversation isn't the solution.

I am not and was not advocating killing the conversation. However 
talking about the right thing in the right forums would certainly help.


I know that there are folks on this forum who *are* engaging their sales 
representatives, and I've even seen a few writing to Larry Ellison. I 
also know that there is also a large number of people on this forum that 
all they have done is to write to this forum.


This question is not directed at anyone in particular. It's directed at 
everyone.


One of these actions is helpful. One is not. Which camp do you fall in to?

Regards,
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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Svein Skogen]

On 22.04.2010 12:51, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
> You (Sean Sprague) wrote:
>> I do however agree that a statement from Oracle on the "future" of 
>> OpenSolaris is needed. but given the fact that it is likely to be couched 
>> in vagaries, obfuscation, legalese, and plain non-committal rhetoric, it 
>> will not provide us with any feelgood factor.
> 
> And I assume, that'll come, once the next binary distro will be ready and
> out...

Maybe that's what's hidden in the 2D barcode some Sun^wOracle people are
using as signature? :p

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Matthias Pfützner]

You (Sean Sprague) wrote:
> I do however agree that a statement from Oracle on the "future" of 
> OpenSolaris is needed. but given the fact that it is likely to be couched 
> in vagaries, obfuscation, legalese, and plain non-committal rhetoric, it 
> will not provide us with any feelgood factor.

And I assume, that'll come, once the next binary distro will be ready and
out...

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Matthias Pfützner]

Svein,

You (Svein Skogen) wrote:
> *sigh*
> 
> On 22.04.2010 12:27, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
> > Svein,
> > 
> > You (Svein Skogen) wrote:
> >> On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote:
> >>> You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not
> >>> about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris
> >>> patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would
> >>> be to sow FUD or dissention.
> >>
> >> Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern.
> >>
> >> Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the
> >> absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of
> >> changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with
> >> the total lack of communication skills.
> >>
> >> 
> >> Given their communication skills, I'd be worried about networking
> >> software from them...
> >> 
> >>
> >>> Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it.
> >>
> >> Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and
> >> let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone
> >> who actually have the authority to do something about the actual
> >> problem: Lack of communications).
> >>
> >> Killing the conversation isn't the solution.
> >>
> >> //Svein
> > 
> > We all do understand your point about missing communications. That's, why I
> > try to "explain" as much, as I can here, on the "WHY"'s. Still, I don't know
> > the WHY's, so I'm forced to also start thinking about the reasoning behind 
> > all
> > these things. That's as much as you could also do yourself! But, it seems, 
> > you
> > are trying to figure out, if the glass is half empty, and when it will be
> > empty, whereas I try to explain, why the glass is half full, and when it 
> > will
> > be full.
> > 
> > As also asked many times, be more patient, start thinking yourself about the
> > things you see, and do NOT overreact or misinterpret. As there are NO
> > informations, it's all up to your own interpretation. And that can be done 
> > in
> > many directions...
> > 
> > This ODF stuff is simply explained (as I did!), and anyone here could have
> > come to the same conclusions. It's not rocket sience! The main problem seems
> > to be, that some here are EAGER to kill the Environment, by calling it
> > dead. Someone yesterday did a very wonderful description of the situation by
> > comparing it to Tristan and Isolde or Romeo and Juliet. You believe it to be
> > dead, and are killing yourself instead of believing in its longevity, and
> > living happily onward...
> 
> That explanation would have worked. It really would. Had I not had the
> misfortune of dealing with Oracle some years ago.
> 
> Sorry, but you're just not cynical enough, probably due to lack of
> exposure to Oracle.
> 
> //Svein

You need to understand, that the acquisition of Sun is the biggest (in times of
people! And Products!) acquisition ever Oracle has done. Therefore, taking
into account and up-leveling all your old experiences might not lead to the
correct results... ;-)

I'm not cynical, and I try not to become. But the mood on the lists might
force me to become that... ;-) But, I guess, you might not like, what type of
answers you might get then... ;-) So, please try to stay open, at least this
is a list about "Open" Solaris... ;-)

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Sean Sprague]

Svein,


On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote:
   

You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not
about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris
patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would
be to sow FUD or dissention.
 

Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern.
   


The "quite disturbing pattern"s are currently only in people's brains 
and AlanH's .sig.



Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the
absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of
changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with
the total lack of communication skills.
   


This once again comes back to the definition of OpenSolaris. In the 
"distro" connotation, it is an alternative (maybe not the best) for 
certain environments. But OpenSolaris (the codebase) indeed remains the 
best codebase that currently exists for an operating environment.


Currently the only example of Oracle's "pattern of changes" with regards 
to OpenSolaris is that no alcohol is allowed at LOSUG meetings any longer.


I do however agree that a statement from Oracle on the "future" of 
OpenSolaris is needed. but given the fact that it is likely to be 
couched in vagaries, obfuscation, legalese, and plain non-committal 
rhetoric, it will not provide us with any feelgood factor.




Given their communication skills, I'd be worried about networking
software from them...

   


Poor joke - the networking infrastructure software will still be crafted 
by the uber-talented Sun engineers that we know and love.



Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it.
 

Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and
let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone
who actually have the authority to do something about the actual
problem: Lack of communications).
   


Won't work internally. Or at least might increase the individual's 
RIF-factor ;-) Head firmly below the parapet for all Sun staff at the 
moment (even those with an @oracle.com email address).


I have been emailing LarryE regularly for some time now; and have 
received no response whatsoever from his Communications team. This was 
not the case with Jonathan Schwartz - I met him personally once, 
discussed LOSUG with him (when I was the Chair) for 4 minutes of his 
time (I felt honoured), and he consented to a video linkup to a LOSUG 
meeting. I had further discussions with his Communications team; but 
sadly the video thing never happened. It's all about (corporate) 
approachability - and I agree that Oracle is not reaching the mark yet.



Killing the conversation isn't the solution.
   


There was never an advocation to "kill" any conversation. Just to ensure 
that the conversation is focused to the correct topic for the venue 
within which it is taking place. Case in point "osol-discuss" is for 
discussions on OpenSolaris - not Solaris 10, not Solaris 9, and 
_definitely_ not Solaris 8 (which has happened recently).


Regards... Sean.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Svein Skogen]

*sigh*

On 22.04.2010 12:27, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
> Svein,
> 
> You (Svein Skogen) wrote:
>> On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote:
>>> You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not
>>> about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris
>>> patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would
>>> be to sow FUD or dissention.
>>
>> Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern.
>>
>> Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the
>> absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of
>> changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with
>> the total lack of communication skills.
>>
>> 
>> Given their communication skills, I'd be worried about networking
>> software from them...
>> 
>>
>>> Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it.
>>
>> Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and
>> let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone
>> who actually have the authority to do something about the actual
>> problem: Lack of communications).
>>
>> Killing the conversation isn't the solution.
>>
>> //Svein
> 
> We all do understand your point about missing communications. That's, why I
> try to "explain" as much, as I can here, on the "WHY"'s. Still, I don't know
> the WHY's, so I'm forced to also start thinking about the reasoning behind all
> these things. That's as much as you could also do yourself! But, it seems, you
> are trying to figure out, if the glass is half empty, and when it will be
> empty, whereas I try to explain, why the glass is half full, and when it will
> be full.
> 
> As also asked many times, be more patient, start thinking yourself about the
> things you see, and do NOT overreact or misinterpret. As there are NO
> informations, it's all up to your own interpretation. And that can be done in
> many directions...
> 
> This ODF stuff is simply explained (as I did!), and anyone here could have
> come to the same conclusions. It's not rocket sience! The main problem seems
> to be, that some here are EAGER to kill the Environment, by calling it
> dead. Someone yesterday did a very wonderful description of the situation by
> comparing it to Tristan and Isolde or Romeo and Juliet. You believe it to be
> dead, and are killing yourself instead of believing in its longevity, and
> living happily onward...

That explanation would have worked. It really would. Had I not had the
misfortune of dealing with Oracle some years ago.

Sorry, but you're just not cynical enough, probably due to lack of
exposure to Oracle.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Matthias Pfützner]

Svein,

You (Svein Skogen) wrote:
> On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote:
> > You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not
> > about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris
> > patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would
> > be to sow FUD or dissention.
> 
> Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern.
> 
> Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the
> absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of
> changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with
> the total lack of communication skills.
> 
> 
> Given their communication skills, I'd be worried about networking
> software from them...
> 
> 
> > Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it.
> 
> Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and
> let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone
> who actually have the authority to do something about the actual
> problem: Lack of communications).
> 
> Killing the conversation isn't the solution.
> 
> //Svein

We all do understand your point about missing communications. That's, why I
try to "explain" as much, as I can here, on the "WHY"'s. Still, I don't know
the WHY's, so I'm forced to also start thinking about the reasoning behind all
these things. That's as much as you could also do yourself! But, it seems, you
are trying to figure out, if the glass is half empty, and when it will be
empty, whereas I try to explain, why the glass is half full, and when it will
be full.

As also asked many times, be more patient, start thinking yourself about the
things you see, and do NOT overreact or misinterpret. As there are NO
informations, it's all up to your own interpretation. And that can be done in
many directions...

This ODF stuff is simply explained (as I did!), and anyone here could have
come to the same conclusions. It's not rocket sience! The main problem seems
to be, that some here are EAGER to kill the Environment, by calling it
dead. Someone yesterday did a very wonderful description of the situation by
comparing it to Tristan and Isolde or Romeo and Juliet. You believe it to be
dead, and are killing yourself instead of believing in its longevity, and
living happily onward...

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Svein Skogen]

On 22.04.2010 02:27, Alan Hargreaves wrote:
> You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not
> about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris
> patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) would
> be to sow FUD or dissention.

Or to make people aware of a quite disturbing pattern.

Like many here, I have high hopes for OpenSolaris remaining the
absolutely best alternative out there for many tasks, but the pattern of
changes Oracle are making is rather disturbing. Especially combined with
the total lack of communication skills.


Given their communication skills, I'd be worried about networking
software from them...


> Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it.

Then forward the worrying upwards in the system you now are part of, and
let the managers sort things out (usually by escalating it to someone
who actually have the authority to do something about the actual
problem: Lack of communications).

Killing the conversation isn't the solution.

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Sean Sprague]

Alan Hargreaves wrote:

You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not 
about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris 
patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment) 
would be to sow FUD or dissention.


Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it.



+1

And BTW: does that bit pattern image in your .sig ensure that you get 
microwaved correctly? ;-)

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Joerg Schilling]

bsd  wrote:

> http://www.osnews.com/story/23181/Oracle_Starts_Charging_90_USD_Per_User_for_ODF_Plugin
>
> Solaris 10 90-day evaluation
> No security patch downloads for free
> ODF plugin $90 (100 min)

This is old news from Monday

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/ODF-Plug-in-Bei-Sun-war-s-noch-gratis-980731.html

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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Matthias Pfützner]

I'm getting tired, in answering these things, but, please google, and then,
once found, read:


http://c0t0d0s0.org/archives/6514-About-this-ODF-for-MS-Office-plugin-discussion.html

In simple words:

MS Office (we might not like it, but, still) has implemented ODF saving
starting in Service Pack 2 to Office 2007. So, Office 2007 and 2010 ALREADY
NATIVELY can export in ODF.

So, why shall Oracle still provide a tool for real lazy people for free? Aka
Office 2005 and older? That plugin now is a solution to a problem that's been
solved officially from the original provider for years already...

That's, why it's fairly easy to understand, that, IF someone still really
would need that ODF Plugin from Sun/Oracle, it's a good idea to either point
him to OpenOffice natively (which is free in total) or force him to rethink
his lazyness, by either asking him to pay Oracle 90$ or pay MS some amount of
debt/tax/call-it-what-you-like for an upgrade to MS Office 2007 or 2010.

It's a fair business practice...

Matthias

You (bsd) wrote:
> http://www.osnews.com/story/23181/Oracle_Starts_Charging_90_USD_Per_User_for_ODF_Plugin
> 
> Solaris 10 90-day evaluation
> No security patch downloads for free
> ODF plugin $90 (100 min)
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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Paul Kölle]

Am 22.04.2010 02:20, schrieb bsd:

I merely posted a link to an article and refrained from saying anything about 
Oracle.

Oh yes, sure. How old are you?




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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Alan Hargreaves]

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You miss the point. This is a discussion list about OpenSolaris. Not
about a Microsoft Office Plugins. Not about Solaris. Not about Solaris
patches. The only reason to post this stuff (even without comment)
would be to sow FUD or dissention.

Quite honestly I'm getting sick of seeing it.

Alan Hargreaves


bsd wrote:

  I merely posted a link to an article and refrained from saying anything about Oracle.

If I dared to say anyting about what I think about what Oracle has done so far regarding Solaris 10, patches, the plugin, and what I think they'll do with OpenSolaris, then I'd have pitchforks thrown at me.

Therefore I'm refraining from offering my opinions.
  


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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[bsd]

I merely posted a link to an article and refrained from saying anything about 
Oracle.

If I dared to say anyting about what I think about what Oracle has done so far 
regarding Solaris 10, patches, the plugin, and what I think they'll do with 
OpenSolaris, then I'd have pitchforks thrown at me.

Therefore I'm refraining from offering my opinions.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[bsd]

Relevance?  

The plugin used to be free, just like Solais 10 and patches.
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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Giovanni Tirloni]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:39 PM, bsd  wrote:

>
> http://www.osnews.com/story/23181/Oracle_Starts_Charging_90_USD_Per_User_for_ODF_Plugin
>
> Solaris 10 90-day evaluation
> No security patch downloads for free
> ODF plugin $90 (100 min)
>
>
I think we've all exhausted the subject of how Oracle is evil. Please don't
feed this.



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Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

[Ian Collins]

On 04/22/10 11:39 AM, bsd wrote:

http://www.osnews.com/story/23181/Oracle_Starts_Charging_90_USD_Per_User_for_ODF_Plugin

Solaris 10 90-day evaluation
No security patch downloads for free
ODF plugin $90 (100 min)
   

And the relevance of a windoze plugin to OpenSolaris is?

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