Re: [opensuse-factory] Package Management Design and Experience
* Ulrich Windl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [May 31. 2006 07:59]: where's the repodata DTD BTW? The official ones for the repomd base format are at http://linux.duke.edu/projects/metadata/dtd/ The SUSE extensions are available as .rng files as part of the libzypp package: /usr/share/zypp/schema/yum Klaus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Software Updater
Would it be possible/feasible to change the messages presented in Software Updater to read Getting update list... while fetching the info then change to Parsing medadata... and finally Incorporating medadata... before is shows whether there are updates? This would at lease show that it is doing something. On slower hardware you cannot tell if it has hung or just simply taking an enormous amount of time. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
houghi wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 12:33:15AM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote: opensuse-users@ - opensuse-help opensuse@ - opensuse-project Who's gonna misunderstand that? Great ideas. And then kill [EMAIL PROTECTED] There shouldn't be a plain opensuse@ - too confusing for people to figure out which aspects of opensuse belong on there - a lot of people like snip Leave it as a honey trap. :-) People still unwilling or unable to understand can use it as their playground. A bit like these castles you have outside hamburger places. (Also for the same purpose. :-) houghi the better way to see what happen is to make it (in your mind) read only. _do not_ post on this list and look at what happen... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] how did you know about this list
Giving the numer of OT mails on this list and the threads that gave, I wonder why so many people don't use the communicate page warnings. At first I thought they come from the archives or the search engines. But I couldn't figure how to write to the list from the archives and google don't index opensuse lists. So the question. could the not so old readers of this list say us how they first know of this list and if they did read the instructions before posting (don't matter if they follow the instruction at first, but I they can explain this also) Don't think it's to blame anybody, it's only to better figure how we can explain to the users the role of the various lists thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin Schlander schrieb: opensuse-users@ - opensuse-help opensuse@ - opensuse-project Who's gonna misunderstand that? I second that. Except these two names, I also liked the layout of Henne's proposal with regard to the topic and language specifics. And then kill [EMAIL PROTECTED] There shouldn't be a plain opensuse@ - too confusing for people to figure out which aspects of opensuse belong on there If I think about Henne's complete proposal once again, for me the problem seems to be, to have exactly one schema both for low- and high-traffic lists. - For low traffic ones, Henne's layout perfectly fits, as everything can go to project@ as a catch-all and only if there is need, more specific subtopics are arranged. - For high traffic ones however, subtopics are a must-have and then the question remains, what will be on topic in the unspecific project@ list. It would be best to not have it at all, but this breaks the unique schema. So my proposal for high traffic lists is to have project@, but just send an automatic answer that lists the topics of this project and the relevant mailing list names. project-help@ as the standard sink for all I-don't-know-where-to-ask-mails seems to be o.k. With regard to Martin's suggestion about killing opensuse: As the existence of opensuse@ is already spread over many sites, it would not be good to just kill it. So, introduce the new name schema, adapt the communication page at opensuse.org and send an automatic answer with the new layout and a pointer to the communication page as answer to every mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this way nobody thinks, that the mailing lists are not working any more and in the same time gets the pointers, which hopefully take away some work off Houghi on this list, and -help and -project should also satisfy Randalf's need for good English. ;-) Henne, would this be o.k. for you? Ciao Siegbert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray
* Pascal Bleser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jun 04. 2006 00:35]: I started a thread/discussion with the SUSE folks about that when openSUSE started. I was asking them whether it would be possible to do some refinements in YaST2, to have it fetch a list of repositories from, say, opensuse.org and propose them to the end-user as additional repos. Actually, we were working on this functionality for 10.1 but didn't have time to finish it. The current .repo/.channel thread gives us quite good input for an actual implementation for 10.2 It became pretty clear that it wouldn't be possible, because of ridiculous court rulings in the US and Germany (e.g. the Heise case), where linking to a resource that provides a package that under certain circumstances and/or jurisdictions would be.. well.. attackable in court, is already sufficient for potential trouble. So you won't see SuSE/Novell offering such external links. However, we will support a standard way of repository linking in the future. Klaus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Package management tool confusion
* Harry ten Berge [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jun 02. 2006 22:01]: Am I correct to say that with the zmd/rug stuff you can actually push updates to machines? So it's not only polling for updates at the repository but a way to force this from a management console/gui thingy? Exactly ! Thats what 'ZENworks Linux Management' (ZLM) gives you. For security reasons, the server does not actually 'push' to the client but prepares tasks for the client and pings it. Klaus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Package management tool confusion
* Harry ten Berge [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Jun 02. 2006 20:50]: Not to be cynical, but if it's not new, why doesn't it work properly? The components are not new but their integration is. And, what I really can't understand, is the ignorance of the impact that the whole issue will have on the very good reputation that SUSE had in the past. Be assured that we do not ignore this issue. However, we have to be very careful on making changes to the system as we want to fix bugs and not introduce new ones. Klaus -- Klaus Kämpf, Architect Systems Management, Research Development SuSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Monday 05 June 2006 15:32, Pascal Bleser wrote: Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). At the minute, Smart is by far the most reliable and easily-installed package manager for SUSE. Apt-rpm may do more specialised things, but for everyday users, just install Smart and you'll find things very easy. You need to have the following Python packages installed: python-numeric rpm-python python-gtk These are available at: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-10.0-OSS/inst-source/suse/i586 (or similar, eg replace 10.0 with 10.1, i586 with your architecture, etc) if you do not have them on your install media. Then install smart, smart-gui and (optionally) smart-ksmarttray from Pascal's site: http://ftp.skynet.be/pub/suser-guru/rpm/packages/System/smart/ as he suggested. Pascal is doing a terrific job with Smart, as Richard Bos does with apt-rpm. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how did you know about this list
On 6/6/06, jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giving the numer of OT mails on this list and the threads that gave, I wonder why so many people don't use the communicate page warnings. At first I thought they come from the archives or the search engines. But I couldn't figure how to write to the list from the archives and google don't index opensuse lists. So the question. could the not so old readers of this list say us how they first know of this list and if they did read the instructions before posting (don't matter if they follow the instruction at first, but I they can explain this also) Don't think it's to blame anybody, it's only to better figure how we can explain to the users the role of the various lists thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking as someone who (now seemingly mistakenly) joined the list yesterday, I think the reason I joined the wrong list is because the suse-linux-e list was not in the bulleted list of lists ;) I didn't even see it at all when scanning the communicate page. My eye skipped straight to the bullet list. Add on top of that the domain is @suse.com (which obviously I didn't notice since I didn't see the list description) and the odd '-e' in the list name and I still may have chosen the wrong list even if I had seen it. From my experience, the general user help list would be named something like opensuse@ or suse@ or suse-users@ or but of course there is no excuse for not reading the page more carefully. -- Steve Feehan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tirsdag 06 juni 2006 02:26 skrev Rajko M: It was just list of words that will make lesser confusion, and in the mean time I backed up proposal by Martin Schlander, Move function of - to: opensuse-users@ - opensuse-help opensuse@ - opensuse-project with addition to keep bare opensuse for newbies, as it seems they like it :-) I've been thinking some more about this. I don't think we should support the misconception that opensuse is a distro, how about: opensuse-users@ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin / cb400f - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Monday 05 June 2006 22:28, houghi wrote: ... You know what? You are right and I have my peace. So whatever. plonk Thank you. houghi RRS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 00:01, Peter Flodin wrote: On 6/6/06, Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly do. A community is _people_ not _projects_. You are _not_ discussing _the community_, you're discussing _the work_. No matter how many times you repeat it, you're not going to change English to suit your misunderstanding. I think that Randall is technically correct, even though his tone at times can sound on the aggressive side, whether it is intentional or not. We all think we know what 'community' means, but we do use the term where the word 'project' would be much more suitable. 'Community' _is_ a set of people, this is a definition of the word in English. The openSUSE community is the set of people involved in the openSUSE project. Therefore, examine your own use of the word 'community' and see if you really mean 'project'. Houghi's signature in my view is currently wrong, and should state project rather than community. The words are not synonymous. Peter 'Pflodo' Flodin Thank you. RRS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how did you know about this list
Steve Feehan wrote: Speaking as someone who (now seemingly mistakenly) joined the list yesterday, I think the reason I joined the wrong list is because the suse-linux-e list was not in the bulleted list of lists ;) I didn't even see it at all when scanning the communicate page. My eye skipped straight to the bullet list. :-) my fault :-) I add the bullet :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin Schlander wrote: Tirsdag 06 juni 2006 02:26 skrev Rajko M: It was just list of words that will make lesser confusion, and in the mean time I backed up proposal by Martin Schlander, Move function of - to: opensuse-users@ - opensuse-help opensuse@ - opensuse-project with addition to keep bare opensuse for newbies, as it seems they like it :-) I've been thinking some more about this. I don't think we should support the misconception that opensuse is a distro, how about: opensuse-users@ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] no matter to change anything so... SUSE Linux is a distro, but a distro don't give any help... it's the communtiy that gives help, so I vote for an opensuse prefix for the mailing-lists. May I however point out that for some days now there no more suse-linux-e at the first place on the communicate page. I noted the two problematic lists SUSE linux all questions list (for suse-linux-e) and openSUSE community life for opensuse. so the name should not be that important. small (very small) details seems to have a greater importance and in this other thread I openned recently (how did you know about this list) I receive answers that are not at all what I expected, but are very interesting. I will try to fix this. (and this doesn't mean the other modifications are not usefull) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how did you know about this list
Kenneth Schneider wrote: Why not have the posting in many different languages on that same page, for languages that have they own wiki, the localized page takes care of that. In french, for example, only one list is really enough for all the work :-) and for the others languages the page is listed on the upper righ page corner. there are other languages as well, but who know how to write the sentence :-)? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how did you know about this list
Daniel Bauer wrote: So I would call suse-e something like the list for finding help with problems in all releases... I change the general discussion by Help for any problem, this does sound better? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Template:Where_to_find_Help
I write a template: http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Where_to_find_Help and add it to the most important pages. Feel free to edit this template, specially to make it more smart (I'm not good at that). The difficulty of manyt users to find help is probably a thing we have largely underestimate. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how did you know about this list
On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 15:26 +0200, jdd wrote: Daniel Bauer wrote: So I would call suse-e something like the list for finding help with problems in all releases... I change the general discussion by Help for any problem, this does sound better? jdd How about Technical Help list -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how did you know about this list
Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 15:26 +0200, jdd wrote: Daniel Bauer wrote: So I would call suse-e something like the list for finding help with problems in all releases... I change the general discussion by Help for any problem, this does sound better? jdd How about Technical Help list it was said that technical is not clear enough for non native english readers at least. help may be known by all? if not we can say SOS ??? :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how did you know about this list
On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 15:36 +0200, jdd wrote: Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 15:26 +0200, jdd wrote: Daniel Bauer wrote: So I would call suse-e something like the list for finding help with problems in all releases... I change the general discussion by Help for any problem, this does sound better? jdd How about Technical Help list it was said that technical is not clear enough for non native english readers at least. help may be known by all? if not we can say SOS ??? :-) jdd It is on the english language page on the wiki. And it would be translated for the other language pages. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = opensuse-help gets my vote
Hi, On Tuesday, June 06, 2006 at 03:07:51, Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no wrote: Martin Schlander wrote: snipHenne's proposal is good - but we should learn from our mistakes and enhance it a little bit. opensuse-users@ - opensuse-help opensuse@ - opensuse-project Who's gonna misunderstand that? This is the best suggestion so far. To get rid of of all confusion we must kill opensuse. - And by that I mean the list, and not the other thingy. ;-) Henne: I hope you are reading and agree to this. I don't think it's such a good idea to first change it to opensuse-technical and then discuss it again, a better soulution has presented itself (IMO)... So we owe it to ourselves to do it right when we set this plan in motion. Im not against any idea to change the mailinglist layout we are going to use. What i need is a layout that scales. Scales over projects and languages. I proposed such a layout a while ago. If we exchange names in there (foo-help instead of foo-users or foo-project as default instead of foo) does not matter too much. From the technical side this is a no-brainer. I just need an overall layout i can follow. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services Rules change. The Game remains the same. - Omar (The Wire) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] how did you know about this list
Am Dienstag, 6. Juni 2006 15:26 schrieb jdd: Daniel Bauer wrote: So I would call suse-e something like the list for finding help with problems in all releases... I change the general discussion by Help for any problem, this does sound better? jdd It's *much* better now; also the top paragraph on the communications and documentations page explains very clear. And it's nice, too :-) Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com special interest site: http://www.bauer-nudes.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = opensuse-help gets my vote
Henne Vogelsang wrote: If we exchange names in there (foo-help instead of foo-users or foo-project as default instead of foo) does not matter too much. From the technical side this is a no-brainer. I just need an overall layout i can follow. the most evident word (internationally accepted) is help. So there should be an opensuse-help list. This one will probably be used default by most users. added to the new template (see other thread) that advetise only this list (suse-linux-e for the moment, but we may change that at will), most post should go there. and if anybody go there and need an other list, people should say it to him. Henne, sorry to stole the thread, but, I'm fairly sure you will read this, and it's for you. Writting the template I notice that to unsubscribe, one must look at the headers. why not give directly the link in the mail footer? advertising that it's easy to unsubscribe may make people join. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Monday 05 June 2006 20:35, Marcus Rueckert wrote: OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. how about: decide for one of them? that would solve the problem. Okay, so - which one works or am i clueless again? After the network blackout yesterday I managed to update to KDE 3.5.3 with smart. However, looks like now smart is trying to downgrade to KDE 3.5.1 while trying to pull stuff in from YOU. Have to use smart for this as it is the only thing that works even a little bit.. -- // Janne - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Janne Karhunen wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 20:35, Marcus Rueckert wrote: OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. how about: decide for one of them? that would solve the problem. Okay, so - which one works or am i clueless again? After the network blackout yesterday I managed to update to KDE 3.5.3 with smart. However, looks like now smart is trying to downgrade to KDE 3.5.1 while trying to pull stuff in from YOU. Have to use smart for this as it is the only thing that works even a little bit.. There must be a good reason for that, maybe a change of dependency (at least there's always been up to now ;)), although that's normally never the case for online updates as they're almost always backports. smart upgrade --explain ... - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEhZ+Er3NMWliFcXcRArFwAJ0U3Ip/rRAXh3e3EMOR7tUDvT59GACgpMRq kanRXp3q7yrS0g4uNvg1+9Y= =/WpP -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:38:51PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: So you won't see SuSE/Novell offering such external links. However, we will support a standard way of repository linking in the future. Here I am telling everybody it is SUSE not SuSE and then I see people from SUSE writing SuSE instead of SUSE. :-( houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray
Hi, On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, houghi wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:38:51PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: So you won't see SuSE/Novell offering such external links. However, we will support a standard way of repository linking in the future. Here I am telling everybody it is SUSE not SuSE and then I see people from SUSE writing SuSE instead of SUSE. :-( I can't see any difference. ;-)) Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray
On Jun 06, 06 20:16:55 +0200, houghi wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:38:51PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: So you won't see SuSE/Novell offering such external links. However, we will support a standard way of repository linking in the future. Here I am telling everybody it is SUSE not SuSE and then I see people from SUSE writing SuSE instead of SUSE. :-( Within SUSE, there is a secret brotherhood of traditionalists called SuSE. :-) please have mercy, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray
On 2006-06-06 20:16:55 +0200, houghi wrote: Here I am telling everybody it is SUSE not SuSE and then I see people from SUSE writing SuSE instead of SUSE. :-( you are so wrong: it is S.u.S.E. scnr darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] (xen) Possible bug: Memory squeeze in netback driver.
Hi everybody, When I start more than about 3 domU's the following messages are logged in dom0: Jun 6 18:30:03 thebe kernel: printk: 18 messages suppressed. Jun 6 18:30:03 thebe kernel: xen_net: Memory squeeze in netback driver. Jun 6 18:30:03 thebe last message repeated 9 times This progressively gets worse when I start more and more domU's, up until the point some or all domU's lose their network connectivety. When I google on the error message, a few pages turn up, but no real sollutions. I'll try to describe my setup in detail: the hardware: AMD Opteron 144 4 GB ram Dual Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5704 Gigabit Ethernet controllers It's Aplus hardware from supermicro. the software: Suse Linux 10.1, default kernel: 2.6.16.13-4-xen Xen version 3.0.2_09656-4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 4.1.0 (SUSE Linux)) Tue May 2 01:39:27 UTC 2006 I've got two bridges: xenbr0 and xenbr1: bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces xenbr0 8000.feff no vif0.0 peth0 vif1.0 (all vifX.0) xenbr1 8000.feff no vif0.1 peth1 vif1.1 (all vifX.1) So basically I've got two seperate lans, available to all domains. No NAT. One lan is an internal vlan, the other lan is the public internet. Each domain runs an iptables firewall, including domain0. The firewall is your basic run-of-the-mill iptables firewall, rules are matching eth0 and eth1, no special modules are used. domain0's got plenty of free ram when the memory squeeze happens: thebe:~ # free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 1506646859 0290 101 -/+ buffers/cache:255 1250 Swap: 4102 0 4102 -- Erik Hensema ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED] = opensuse-help gets my vote
jdd wrote: [...] the most evident word (internationally accepted) is help. So there should be an opensuse-help list. .From my point of view, this is not such a good idea. For many mailing lists the address name-help@ is used to automatically send a short help with instructions on how to use the mailing list software and/or a short FAQ to a user. For instance, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is such an address. Thus, IMO there should be no actual list with that name, that's again misleading (at least for people having some experiences with mailing lists). Two additional comments on some related subjects: a) I can understand Randall's arguments and I think he's technically correct. I won't comment on the tone of the whole discussion. b) I don't think that renaming etc. or removing this list will solve all problems. There should be a list where users can ask all general questions about openSUSE, whether these questions are about the project or whatever. Most people with general questions do not subscribe to all the different mailing lists. This is a fact. In Principle, I can't see a problem with some technical questions here; the useless discussions, flames, and all the unnecessary blabla are much more annoying than technical questions. Cheers, Th. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray
Juergen Weigert wrote: On Jun 06, 06 20:16:55 +0200, houghi wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:38:51PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: So you won't see SuSE/Novell offering such external links. However, we will support a standard way of repository linking in the future. Here I am telling everybody it is SUSE not SuSE and then I see people from SUSE writing SuSE instead of SUSE. :-( Within SUSE, there is a secret brotherhood of traditionalists called SuSE. :-) please have mercy, Jw. specially working on SuSEConfig and SuSEFirewall2 :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 08:16:55PM +0200, houghi wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 01:38:51PM +0200, Klaus Kaempf wrote: So you won't see SuSE/Novell offering such external links. However, we will support a standard way of repository linking in the future. Here I am telling everybody it is SUSE not SuSE and then I see people from SUSE writing SuSE instead of SUSE. :-( In the end, we do not care anymore. Everyone knows what is meant. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] modem device file
Hi,
I am using suse 9.3 professional, accidently I deleted my modem device file
/dev/536ep0 how can I restore it? I plugged my modem out then I plugged it
in
but suse's hotplug didn't detect my modem as a new hardware and the device
file didn't be created. yast's modem configuration also can't help creating
the file!
--
-- Mohammad
do you C?!!
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int main(){m[2]--?m[0]*=4,m[1]*=5,main():printf(m);}
Don't attach in Microsoft (.DOC, .PPT) format
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: [opensuse] Kmail draining my system
On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 22:09 +0200, Janus wrote: I run SUSE 10.0 (KDE 3.4.2) and I am very happy about it, except one thing: From time to times my system gets very slow: The machine does not freeze, but everything respond very slow. A 'top' shows that Kmail is the one using the largest amount of memory and CPU. When I quit Kmail the system will get back to normal and everything (including Kmail) works just fine. The same happens if I just let the PC alone for a while. But the problem it is very annoying and I do not understand what's up. So: 1) How can I tell what Kmail is doing when it eat that many resources? 2) What can I do about it? I have a somewhat large ~/Mail - 2,6 GB (all in maildir format). But it was never a problem with SUSE 9.1 (KDE 3.2). Suggestions? The best place for such help is the suse-linux-e mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]. There are many people with years of experience to help you. This list is more for the future direction of opensuse. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] modem device file
On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 01:40 +0430, Mohammad Moghimi wrote: Hi, I am using suse 9.3 professional, accidently I deleted my modem device file /dev/536ep0 how can I restore it? I plugged my modem out then I plugged it in but suse's hotplug didn't detect my modem as a new hardware and the device file didn't be created. yast's modem configuration also can't help creating the file! [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the best place for an answer. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 8:35 am, Kevin Donnelly wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 15:32, Pascal Bleser wrote: Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). At the minute, Smart is by far the most reliable and easily-installed package manager for SUSE. Apt-rpm may do more specialised things, but for everyday users, just install Smart and you'll find things very easy. Smart isn't so smart..d'led something that KDE doesn't like, and KILLED KDE...won't start up. Thankfully, I still have Gnome. Fred -- Paid purchaser of ALL SuSE Linux releases since 6.x - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin Schlander wrote: Tirsdag 06 juni 2006 02:26 skrev Rajko M: It was just list of words that will make lesser confusion, and in the mean time I backed up proposal by Martin Schlander, Move function of - to: opensuse-users@ - opensuse-help opensuse@ - opensuse-project with addition to keep bare opensuse for newbies, as it seems they like it :-) I've been thinking some more about this. I don't think we should support the misconception that opensuse is a distro, how about: opensuse-users@ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin / cb400f I was thinking how came to heated discussion on this topic, and more I think, it seems that we have to listen people, not the other way around. We want: - new users - organized way to help them - no naming confusion Users logic to select plain opensuse list is clear to me. If one looks for Fedora help subscribes to fedora not redhat mailing list. The problem is that we insist on naming openSUSE for community, and SUSE Linux for distribution. Fedora has not that problem. How to solve SUSE naming is up to Novell. Official it is SUSE Linux, on FTP in opensuse directory is SL-10.0-OSS, than SL-10.1, than SL-OSS-factory, and there is unofficial shortcut openSUSE (Linux). As someone mentioned opensuse-help will confuse experienced mail list users, so we have to give up on that. Probably opensuse-support will win the race, but most new users follow common logic that product found in opensuse directory, that links from opensuse.org, should be supported on opensuse mailing list. I don't see anything wrong to leave opensuse for the broadest range of topics, from technical to social, and create as you proposed opensuse-project for discussion about project. It is easier to move few of us than the whole world. Demand to close the list is irrational, effectively you lock the door that most people will try to knock on. I really don't understand what is wrong to decrease load on suse-linux-e (100 mails a day). I don't find amusing to browse trough that amount of mails, and newcomers will be even more overhelmed with the number. We have to leave opensuse list as refuge for them. The chance that they will find installation topics of their interest is bigger. People ready to help them will have easier task to deal with basic installaton problems. Complain that someone will miss some interesting article because it is in another group is at least funny. Time used to repel inappropriate posters from here, could be used to find appropriate article in another list, and point new user to exact solution of his/her problem. BTW, I have to see for some blog place where I can put my rant in :-) -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 10:43:05PM -0500, Rajko M wrote: snip BTW, I have to see for some blog place where I can put my rant in :-) http://en.opensuse.org/User:Rajko_m HTH, HAND. ;-) houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED], post your original email again there, and you will get a straight answer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] We are waiting for ja.opensuse.org
Hi On Monday 05 June 2006 03:45, noniko wrote: Hello, I'm writing this post asked by Mr. Takekazu Okamoto in Novell Japan. No, a joke. But it's true we are contacting each other for wishing ja.opensuse.org...It was assumed to open in June 2, but not yet. Mr.Okamoto says How about asking Mr. Martin Lasarsch about it? He's taking care of it. Yeah ... we are working on it. Hello, Martin. How it's going? How about opening it anyway, and discussing with everyone if there is any trouble? The plan was to put it online last week, but sometimes it's not working as you planed it. Be sure ja.opensuse.org is on our list at the first place. As soon there are any news i will mail you ... -- with kind regards, -- Martin Lasarsch, Subsystems +49 911 74053 181 +49 179 206 74 74 SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5 90409 Nuremberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- simply change to www.suse.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] We are waiting for ja.opensuse.org
Hi, Martin! Thank you for reply. Be sure ja.opensuse.org is on our list at the first place. As soon there are any news i will mail you ... I will tell your message to Japanese users waiting. They (including me) will thank you for placing it at the top on your list. If there would be something we could help (for example, inputting Japanese words...), please ask us anytime. -- noniko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs: http://jroller.com/page/Noniko (Broken English) http://www.myblog.de/noniko (Schlechtes Deutsch) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] We are waiting for ja.opensuse.org
On 2006-06-06 20:24:42 +0900, noniko wrote: Hi, Martin! Thank you for reply. Be sure ja.opensuse.org is on our list at the first place. As soon there are any news i will mail you ... I will tell your message to Japanese users waiting. They (including me) will thank you for placing it at the top on your list. If there would be something we could help (for example, inputting Japanese words...), please ask us anytime. is any of you on irc atm? darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] We are waiting for ja.opensuse.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 is any of you on irc atm? Sorry, it's too short-sentenced question for me to understand... I think what he is asking is if you or any one is on the SUSE IRC channels? He may have questions to ask that could be handled on IRC faster than email/mail-list. Sometimes using IRC makes fixing problems easier. - -- Boyd Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEhaluVtBjDid73eYRAtF7AJ0dm6+KrL8TZGxsEYxThE5L8tyirgCfVSLT Ujm4EQSGIgac08UoEWRAQGM= =61Xz -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-wiki] Template:Where_to_find_Help
I write a template: http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Where_to_find_Help and add it to the most important pages. Feel free to edit this template, specially to make it more smart (I'm not good at that). The difficulty of many users to find help is probably a thing we have largely underestimate. jdd NB: this is closely related to threads on the opensuse list (new name for opensuse@opensuse.org, why users keep writing there and not in suse-linux-e) so I edited the http://en.opensuse.org/Template:Mailinglists and made this new template -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-wiki] social engenering
I keep reading producingoss and find there many very interesting ideas. The page 25 say that the user like to know what is the political project functionning . Skh said the project model is the benevolent dictatorship. I write an article for the project overview page on this subject. I tried to make it neutral and factual. http://fr.opensuse.org/Project_overview#Le_fonctionnement_social_du_projet of course, on a so sensible subject I would like if somebody understanding french could read and edit at will the text. The english page is protected, I can't (and don't want to) edit it, but a similar paragraph should be appended. Novell have nothing to fear from being straight-forward on this subject (on my opinion, Novell can be _proud_ of it's work :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] social engenering
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:27:50AM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote: In practice, it is very rare that a page written by a volunteer is erased or modified by an employee of Novell and, during this first year of operation (2005-2006) one could reproach Novell for being long in implementing certain decisions (the means are limited), but not to censure the volunteers. Perhaps it should be clarified that Novell emplyees are also part of openSUSE, just like everybody else. The big difference is that they have more insight in most things. If somebody edits something, I believe that most of the time he does this as a memeber of the community, not so much as a Novell Employee. Although there might have been exeptions. The exeptions are, I think, the protected pages and mostly legal issues. Just a thought. -- houghi http://houghi.org http://www.plainfaqs.org/linux/ http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Today I went outside. My pupils have never been tinier... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] Compiling software
houghi wrote: Well, after all the negative energy, something positive (I hope) A new page: http://en.opensuse.org/Compiling_software It explains in short how to compile. It is by no means complete and I did not intend it to be a complete compile HOWTO. Enjoy and change. ;-) I enjoyed that you included categories. Many forget that and it is important to have index. And I enjoyed editing :-) ...first paragraph. It's not fine to take all the fun from others. -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] We are waiting for ja.opensuse.org
Thanks so much Boyd! Then I will stay on #opensuse chanell. irc://irc.freenode.net/openSUSE where there is a status meeting held. But this 2-3 hours I have to shutdown computers. It has begun to thunder again and I have not yet prepared UPS. Wow! -- noniko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs: http://jroller.com/page/Noniko (Broken English) http://www.myblog.de/noniko (Schlechtes Deutsch) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
