Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I do see your point now but I don't think so. the eberhart post make me feel there is more than the reply-to problem. if he receives twice _all_ the posts of the thread, this is _not_ a reply-to problem... You should read more carefully if you like to answer as much as you like... Almost all. From the moment on when you have posted and somebody answers without editing the headers, just like this post. Cheers -e well. usually I remove the private adress when relpying (but I can forgot sometimes) actually, if somebody hit "reply all" and do not remove the unwanted adresses, these adresses are stacked, that is the mail can be sent to much more than two recipient however it's difficult to do this without noticing it (and I suppose you know that, but many on this list don't seems to know, as they keep sending multiple messages) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: getting glibc 2.3 on suse 10.1
Hello, Marcus Meissner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-08-15]: > On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 03:07:17PM -0500, Rene Salmon wrote: > > Hi list, > > > > I have some binaries (commercial software) that requires glibc 2.3 to > > run. Is there any way that I can get a glibc 2.3 version installed on a > > suse 10.1 box somewhere so that i can point my binaries to it? > > Our glibc 2.4 is (of course) compatible to 2.3. > > Just the "Linuxthreads" threading model is no longer available, > it is likely that what the software is missing. Yes, but that doesn't solve the problem for that software. I had this problem with Matlab Simulink and I finally solved this by using a chroot environment. Regards, Bernhard -- Bohrer für Öl? Sie meinen, in die Erde bohren und versuchen Öl zu finden? Sie sind verrückt!. -- Bohr-Arbeiter vor dem ersten Öl-Bohr-Projekt (1859) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I do see your point now but I don't think so. the eberhart post make me feel there is more than the reply-to problem. if he receives twice _all_ the posts of the thread, this is _not_ a reply-to problem... You should read more carefully if you like to answer as much as you like... Almost all. From the moment on when you have posted and somebody answers without editing the headers, just like this post. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] getting glibc 2.3 on suse 10.1
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 03:07:17PM -0500, Rene Salmon wrote: > Hi list, > > I have some binaries (commercial software) that requires glibc 2.3 to > run. Is there any way that I can get a glibc 2.3 version installed on a > suse 10.1 box somewhere so that i can point my binaries to it? Our glibc 2.4 is (of course) compatible to 2.3. Just the "Linuxthreads" threading model is no longer available, it is likely that what the software is missing. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I do see your point now but I don't think so. the eberhart post make me feel there is more than the reply-to problem. if he receives twice _all_ the posts of the thread, this is _not_ a reply-to problem... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] getting glibc 2.3 on suse 10.1
Hi list, I have some binaries (commercial software) that requires glibc 2.3 to run. Is there any way that I can get a glibc 2.3 version installed on a suse 10.1 box somewhere so that i can point my binaries to it? Thanks Rene -- - -- Rene Salmon Tulane University Center for Computational Science http://www.ccs.tulane.edu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel 504-862-8393 Tel 504-988-8552 Fax 504-862-8392 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 20:13 +0200, jdd wrote: > Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : > > > From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. > > I of course don't receive twice the thread. but this lead me > to a question: > > who do receive _all_ the messages twice? > > I understand _this_ could upset someone, but is so we must > find why, this is definitively _not_ the normal way of the list. > > only if anybody > > * answer your very own post > * never delete the personal adress from the post > > you should receive all the message twice. > > Notice this: if somebody answer to the list & the personal > adress and _you_ try to answer to his message, you end up > with _three_ adresses, the original one, the sender one and > the list one. so it's really better, when you answer, to > remove the unwanted adresses > > jdd > I do see your point now but, I still do _not_ need to receive two copies of a reply simply because that person is too lazy to edit the To: field. You ask everyone else to accept the way your non-conformist client works which is wrong. The better option is to get Mozilla to fix their product. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
* Patrick Shanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [08-15-06 15:29]: > * Philipp Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [08-15-06 11:04]: > > > > Had you honoured the Reply-To set in the mail it would have gone the > > right place, i.e. *not* to the list. > > > > > Hummm, there was _none_ in the mail I rec'd Oupss ... -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
* Philipp Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [08-15-06 11:04]: > > Had you honoured the Reply-To set in the mail it would have gone the > right place, i.e. *not* to the list. > Hummm, there was _none_ in the mail I rec'd -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. of course not. anybody can see this (or did you subscribe twice on two different adresses?) You do not know what you are speaking about. yes I do :-) and I receive your message only once :-) (as most of the thread messages) jdd (receive ~ 400 mails a day...) You have a special kind of childishness. Something between stupid and nasty. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. of course not. anybody can see this (or did you subscribe twice on two different adresses?) You do not know what you are speaking about. yes I do :-) and I receive your message only once :-) (as most of the thread messages) jdd (receive ~ 400 mails a day...) -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Notice this: if somebody answer to the list & the personal adress and _you_ try to answer to his message, you end up with _three_ adresses, the original one, the sender one and the list one. so it's really better, when you answer, to remove the unwanted adresses You must have gone crazy thinking I need you to tell me that... I have voted for "add Reply-To" - guess why until you fall into dust. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. of course not. anybody can see this (or did you subscribe twice on two different adresses?) You do not know what you are speaking about. I have just gone through such a matter in suse-sles-e, with a lengthy thread which since long did no more interest me, but some of the posters again and again did the default reply. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. I of course don't receive twice the thread. but this lead me to a question: who do receive _all_ the messages twice? I understand _this_ could upset someone, but is so we must find why, this is definitively _not_ the normal way of the list. only if anybody * answer your very own post * never delete the personal adress from the post you should receive all the message twice. Notice this: if somebody answer to the list & the personal adress and _you_ try to answer to his message, you end up with _three_ adresses, the original one, the sender one and the list one. so it's really better, when you answer, to remove the unwanted adresses jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Eberhard Moenkeberg a écrit : From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. Cheers -e of course not. anybody can see this (or did you subscribe twice on two different adresses?) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Hi, On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, jdd wrote: Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I'm on three suse lists that generate over 200 emails a day and now you want me to receive over 400 because your email client does not work correctly. This is just plain stupid. Use a client that works with lists. you wont receive _all_ the mails twice. only the ones that answers one of your own post From that moment on you will receive the whole thread twice. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Kenneth Schneider a écrit : I'm on three suse lists that generate over 200 emails a day and now you want me to receive over 400 because your email client does not work correctly. This is just plain stupid. Use a client that works with lists. you wont receive _all_ the mails twice. only the ones that answers one of your own post jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
- Original Message From: Henne Vogelsang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:00:25 AM Subject: [opensuse] VOTE [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header that points to the listaddress. (old setup) [X] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To header at all. (current setup) [ ] I dont care. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
Henne Vogelsang ha scritto: > [X] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [ ] I dont care. -- Lorenzo `paulatz' Paulatto Trieste ``Grandissima mi par l'inezia di coloro che vorrebbero che Iddio avesse fatto l'universo più proporzionato alla piccola capacità del lor discorso.'' --Galileo Galilei (Opere VII) -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Refill s.r.l. - Tutto per la tua stampante a prezzi incredibili: su cartucce, toner, inchiostri, carta speciale risparmi fino al 90%! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=5189&d=15-8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 12:57 +0200, jdd wrote: > Tilman Vogel a écrit : > > > Ok, I am using Mozilla Thunderbird Version 1.5.0.5 (20060725). Could you > > please elaborate on how I can get around the following procedure in > > order to get decent replying behaviour? > > > > 1) Click "reply all" > > 2) Remove "To: Bernhard Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > > 3) Change "CC: opensuse@opensuse.org" to "To: opensuse@opensuse.org" > > just to note than: > > * the 3) is not necessary, the mail with a "cc" and without > "to" is sent without problem (at least on seamonkey) > > * the 2) is often recommanded, but having from time to time > to delete one more mail is a thing I can live with > > so, think to always hit "reply to all" on any list you > use... and your mail will always be received > ? I'm on three suse lists that generate over 200 emails a day and now you want me to receive over 400 because your email client does not work correctly. This is just plain stupid. Use a client that works with lists. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
> [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header that points to the listaddress. (old setup) [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To header at all. (current setup) [x] I dont care. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
On Tuesday 15 August 2006 06:00, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [x] I dont care. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Anders Johansson wrote: > On Tuesday 15 August 2006 17:00, Philipp Thomas wrote: > > * Christoph Thiel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20060815 13:11]: > > > > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > > > > Somehow many people missed the Reply-To on Henne's mail that should have > > made shure the mail does *not* go to the list . > > Maybe it got rewritten by a procmail rule :) ... maybe it got ignored manually :) Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
Henne Vogelsang wrote: > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [X] I dont care. > Darren - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
On Tuesday 15 August 2006 17:00, Philipp Thomas wrote: > * Christoph Thiel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20060815 13:11]: > > > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > > Somehow many people missed the Reply-To on Henne's mail that should have > made shure the mail does *not* go to the list . Maybe it got rewritten by a procmail rule :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
* Randall R Schulz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20060815 14:36]: > > Since you didn't specify personal replies, I'm replying to the list. Had you honoured the Reply-To set in the mail it would have gone the right place, i.e. *not* to the list. Philipp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
* Christoph Thiel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20060815 13:11]: > > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header Somehow many people missed the Reply-To on Henne's mail that should have made shure the mail does *not* go to the list . Philipp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reply-To decision by vote
I can't comment on the other mail clients, but I do take issue with your portrayal of KMail/Kontact... Am Dienstag, 15. August 2006 09:38 schrieb Clayton: > First my disclaimer I don't really care one way or the other how > the Reply-to is set on the list. It's been set to reply to the person > rather than the list for years (on the suse-linux-e list), and I'm > kind of used to it... but... I do have some thoughts/observations on > this. (and I'll probably need my flame retardant clothing, but... I > don't care... some things need to be said here) > > [snip] >... > 4. _Some_ people are using KMail/Evolution that can also handle the > Reply-to list But KMail doesn't need it with the default configuration and with the current list settings (using SUSE 10.1). I never got on with Evolution - it feels chunky and child-like rather than a professional application... > > OK, that's all fine and dandy, but... the reality is... this list's > Reply-to behaviour is causing a lot of problems for people - > especially the new Linux users who come here for help. If it wasn't > causing problems... no one would be complaining. Can't anyone see > that? Or are you all so stuck on this pseudo-standard that you cannot > see that it's a problem? (it's only a standard if everyone complies > with it... otherwise it's all just hot air... and only a minuscule > minority complies with this "standard") Using KMail (Kontact), the "problem" has passed me right by, the list just works, so I am not too worried what the outcome is, as long as I can continue to hit "Reply To" to reply to the list. >... > Even within these "list aware" mailing clients you have to know that > they are list aware... if you click reply-to in KMail in a mail from > this list you get the sender.. not the list address. You have to know > that you press L or you have to have edited your KMail button bar and > manually added a Reply-to-list button. This behaviour is NOT the > default... it is well hidden in the clients. I just hit the Reply To button and I got opensuse@opensuse.org as the default address... I've never seen or used a Reply-to-list button, just Reply To and I have never had to customise the Kontact/KMail toolbar. -- David Wright Wright Information Services Europa "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
Henne Vogelsang wrote: [X] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header that points to the listaddress. (old setup) [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To header at all. (current setup) [ ] I dont care. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
Am Dienstag, 15. August 2006 12:00 schrieb Henne Vogelsang: > [x] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [ ] I dont care. Cheers, Pete - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
>> I will not count votes that go to the list and i will not count the >> opinions you gave since yesterday. > >Kind of silly not to put the instructions in the ballot posting, wasn't >it? So you are not paying enough attention to the list to be taken seriously for voting :-) Jan Engelhardt -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
On Tuesday 15 August 2006 05:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [08-15-06 08:38]: > > Since you didn't specify personal replies, I'm replying to the > > list. > > Henne wrote: > > I will send a mail at 12:00 CEST today that you can answer directly > to me. > > I will count only mails that come from subscribers and are replys > to the mail i send that land in my inbox. > > I will not count votes that go to the list and i will not count the > opinions you gave since yesterday. Kind of silly not to put the instructions in the ballot posting, wasn't it? RRS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
* Randall R Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [08-15-06 08:38]: > > Since you didn't specify personal replies, I'm replying to the list. > Henne wrote: I will send a mail at 12:00 CEST today that you can answer directly to me. I will count only mails that come from subscribers and are replys to the mail i send that land in my inbox. I will not count votes that go to the list and i will not count the opinions you gave since yesterday. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
On Tuesday 15 August 2006 03:00, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [x] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [ ] I dont care. Since you didn't specify personal replies, I'm replying to the list. Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
> El Martes, 15 de Agosto de 2006 12:00, Henne Vogelsang escribi?: > > [X] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > > header at all. (current setup) > > [ ] I dont care. > Did any of you guys who are voting publicly and for the whole list to see read Henne's earlier email about how the voting was supposed to be done? For your vote to count you will have to *not* send it to the list but to his personal email. Cheers, Alex. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
El Martes, 15 de Agosto de 2006 12:00, Henne Vogelsang escribió: > [X] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [ ] I dont care. -- Víctor Fernández Martínez Enviado especial a Innsbruck (Austria) para informar de las fiestas Erasmus en la capital tirolesa. Usuario de Linux registrado #312284 en http://counter.li.org. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
Henne Vogelsang schrieb: > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [X] I dont care. regards, JBScout aka Thomy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
Am Dienstag, 15. August 2006 12:00 schrieb Henne Vogelsang: > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [ X] I dont care. -- mit freundlichen Grüßen / best Regards / avec mes meilleures salutation, Günther J. Niederwimmer - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reply-To decision by vote
>>> Rebecca Walter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/15/06 1:01 PM >>> On Monday 14 August 2006 23:54, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday, August 14, 2006 at 23:01:30, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > > would everone be able to live with a majority decision about this > > matter? Looks like not all people trust me enough to decide this based > > on the arguments presented. I would do this by mail to me. Do you trust > > me enough to count votes? > > I will wait until tomorrow 14:00 CEST until i accept votes. Just so > anyone can raise objections against this. > > > >Excuse me, but is there really any point to this? The membership of a mailing >list is changing. Are you going to revote every time someone complains and a >few other people agree? It is much better for there to be an opensuse policy >for all lists and people can accept it or leave. Yes, a democracy can be a >wonderful thing but these decisions have to stick around for some long period >of time. You can't get anything productive done if you have to revote every >time someone complains and others agree. > >The initial decision was made based on some reasoning, I assume. Not just >your personal preference. Is there really a valid reason to consider >changing this now? I think the discussion came up by users that were subscribed for longer time already and that got used to the 'old setup'; then, nobody asked neither, and user accepted it. It's always a difficulty to change the behaviour of something with current users. Dominique - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
Am Dienstag, 15. August 2006 12:00 schrieb Henne Vogelsang: > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [X] I dont care. -- P4i845GV R5, GF FX5200 Personal Cinema, SAMSUNG SP1213N, SAMSUNG DVD-ROM SD-616E F504, BENQ DVD DD DW1620 B7N9, FRITZ ISDN Card PCI 2.01, PHILIPS 109E5, SAMSUNG SymcMaster 913N ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reply-To decision by vote
Em Terça, 15 de Agosto de 2006 08:38, o Clayton escreveu: > Even within these "list aware" mailing clients you have to know that > they are list aware... if you click reply-to in KMail in a mail from > this list you get the sender.. not the list address. You have to know > that you press L or you have to have edited your KMail button bar and > manually added a Reply-to-list button. This behaviour is NOT the > default... it is well hidden in the clients. I think that's a false statement. At least in KMail here, for as long as I remember, and I haven't changed any configuration, R replies to the author in a private mail or to the list in a list mail. Shift-A is the one to reply to the author, while A replies to all. Munging Reply-To would make reply to author and to all non-functional (both quite helpful, respectively: when you just want to reply privately and when the sender tells that he is not subscribed to the list). Cheers, Ricardo -- So, what's with this guy Gideon, anyway? And why can't he ever remember his Bible? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [x] I dont care. Regards Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: Sources, revisited
Tilman Vogel a écrit : Ok, I am using Mozilla Thunderbird Version 1.5.0.5 (20060725). Could you please elaborate on how I can get around the following procedure in order to get decent replying behaviour? 1) Click "reply all" 2) Remove "To: Bernhard Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" 3) Change "CC: opensuse@opensuse.org" to "To: opensuse@opensuse.org" just to note than: * the 3) is not necessary, the mail with a "cc" and without "to" is sent without problem (at least on seamonkey) * the 2) is often recommanded, but having from time to time to delete one more mail is a thing I can live with so, think to always hit "reply to all" on any list you use... and your mail will always be received jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 12:00 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [ ] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [X] I dont care. -- Keith Kastorff [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reply-To decision by vote
Op maandag 14 augustus 2006 23:01, schreef Henne Vogelsang: > Hi, > > would everone be able to live with a majority decision about this > matter? Looks like not all people trust me enough to decide this based > on the arguments presented. I would do this by mail to me. Do you trust > me enough to count votes? > > Henne Yes, no problem. Ben -- Using SUSE Linux 10 with KDE.3.5 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] VOTE
Am Dienstag 15 August 2006 12:00 schrieb Henne Vogelsang: > [ ] The mailinglist server should insert a Reply-To header > that points to the listaddress. (old setup) > [X] The mailinglist server should not insert a Reply-To > header at all. (current setup) > [ ] I dont care. -- MfG Rolf Masfelder EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reply-To decision by vote
On Monday 14 August 2006 23:54, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday, August 14, 2006 at 23:01:30, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > > would everone be able to live with a majority decision about this > > matter? Looks like not all people trust me enough to decide this based > > on the arguments presented. I would do this by mail to me. Do you trust > > me enough to count votes? > > I will wait until tomorrow 14:00 CEST until i accept votes. Just so > anyone can raise objections against this. > > Excuse me, but is there really any point to this? The membership of a mailing list is changing. Are you going to revote every time someone complains and a few other people agree? It is much better for there to be an opensuse policy for all lists and people can accept it or leave. Yes, a democracy can be a wonderful thing but these decisions have to stick around for some long period of time. You can't get anything productive done if you have to revote every time someone complains and others agree. The initial decision was made based on some reasoning, I assume. Not just your personal preference. Is there really a valid reason to consider changing this now? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] VOTE
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Re: [opensuse] Reply-To decision by vote
Hi, ok here we go. Entitled to a vote is everyone that was subscribed on the list by 00:01 CEST today. That makes 926 votes. I would like to have at least 10% turnout at the election (92 votes). I will send a mail at 12:00 CEST today that you can answer directly to me. I will count only mails that come from subscribers and are replys to the mail i send that land in my inbox. I will not count votes that go to the list and i will not count the opinions you gave since yesterday. The poll will be open untill Monday August 21 12:00 CEST. You can vote for, against and neutral regarding reply-to to the list. Lets see how good democrats we are :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Core Services "Rules change. The Game remains the same." - Omar (The Wire) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reply-To decision by vote
First my disclaimer I don't really care one way or the other how the Reply-to is set on the list. It's been set to reply to the person rather than the list for years (on the suse-linux-e list), and I'm kind of used to it... but... I do have some thoughts/observations on this. (and I'll probably need my flame retardant clothing, but... I don't care... some things need to be said here) [snip] list manager should *not* add a reply-to pointing back to the list. I can see the point that everyone raises: 1. There is a pseudo-standard (if you can even call it that) that considers changing the Reply-to to the mailing list as "harmful". 2. People long time subscribers) are used to the SUSE mailing list working this way. 3. _Some_ people are able to use mutt, pine or other text only, Linux/Unix based mail readers to read this list that can handle Reply-to sender and Reply-to list. 4. _Some_ people are using KMail/Evolution that can also handle the Reply-to list 5. A very small number know about the patch for Thunderbird that adds in the Reply-to functionality. OK, that's all fine and dandy, but... the reality is... this list's Reply-to behaviour is causing a lot of problems for people - especially the new Linux users who come here for help. If it wasn't causing problems... no one would be complaining. Can't anyone see that? Or are you all so stuck on this pseudo-standard that you cannot see that it's a problem? (it's only a standard if everyone complies with it... otherwise it's all just hot air... and only a minuscule minority complies with this "standard") 1. There are endless discussions about the Reply-to behaviour and why it's like it is. That's an indication there's a problem. 2. People feel obligated to add signature lines stating.. "Please reply only to the list," or something similar because they are getting the list reply plus the cc to them. This is an indication of a problem. 3. Look through the archives and try.. try to count the number of times someone has felt the need to start out their reply (on list) by saying "Please reply just to the list, I subscribe and get the list post and your cc" or something similar. This is an indication of a problem. 4. How many times have you (or I) offered help to a new user and got an off list reply that was actually intended to be on list? Again... there's a problem. 5. How many times (for those of us who cannot or do not use a list aware mail client) have you accidentally fired off a quick reply.. only to discover you've wither accidentally replied off list, or replied to both the list and the person because you forgot to remove the private address and paste in the SUSE address? I know I've done it countless times... even though I know how this list behaves (and understand why it's this way) . Again... a problem... (human generated, but still a problem). 6. Compare... how often do you feel it necessary to reply off-list to someone vs. replying to the list. I think I can count on one hand the number of times I've felt it necessary to reply off list in 8 years of being subscribed here. But.. the default behaviour is to reply privately... not to the list. Not everyone is ABLE to use mutt, pine, Thunderbird, Kmail, Evolution etc. I use GMail... not because I actually like GMail all that much, but because I can get to my SUSE list mail anywhere then. A lot of people use other OSes, and other mail clients to read this list. Whether they are webclients, Linux, Unix or Windows base is irrelevant... the point is they don't do mailing lists. Some of you may like to call that broken... whatever.. point is.. that's the way they work, and they are the more prevalent mail clients. Shouting and pointing fingers and yelling "Your client is broken" and "Get are real email client" isn't helping anyone... at all. Even within these "list aware" mailing clients you have to know that they are list aware... if you click reply-to in KMail in a mail from this list you get the sender.. not the list address. You have to know that you press L or you have to have edited your KMail button bar and manually added a Reply-to-list button. This behaviour is NOT the default... it is well hidden in the clients. Does anyone see a pattern here? There is a problem... it may be that the problem should be fixed at the mail client side... but... what do you think your success rate will be with "demanding" that commercial email clients change to conform to this standard? Basically... zero. Plus you have literally millions of people who are participating in mailing lists, and they are all used to the Reply-to list behaviour... then they stumble on this one... and it's backwards to anything they've seen before. Youcan say that people need to be educated on the correct way a list should be run... well good luck with that... you've got a big job ahead of you. Maybe the standard itself needs to be looked at. If someone sets out a standard for anything
Re: [opensuse] Reply-To decision by vote
Am Montag, 14. August 2006 23:27 schrieb Kenneth Schneider: > On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 23:01 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > > Hi, > > > > would everone be able to live with a majority decision about this > > matter? Looks like not all people trust me enough to decide this based > > on the arguments presented. I would do this by mail to me. Do you trust > > me enough to count votes? > > > > Henne > > Yes you are trusted, at least by me. My vote is for the list to _not_ > add the reply to. Let the people using a broken client contact the > programmers and have them fix the client program. Add another vote to the list for me under Kenneth's suggestion. And I trust you to count Henne -- David Wright Wright Information Services Europa "I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing made by men, and by God that's something we can change." - The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
