Re: [opensuse] Repeated: Copy speed (USB / openSUSE 10.1)
Dne Monday 11 September 2006 15:18 Dominique Leuenberger napsal(a): > > Unfortunately, I was quiet surprised by the speed I got of this > > action. > > > a hdparm -t /dev/sdc showed it would copy at 1MB / sec (which is > > about 1MB/sec is still good numbers ;) Look at this #114024 You can try use async mode if it will be better. $: mount -o remount,async /dev/sdc do not forget to call sync after this !!! Becasue syncing data is main problem with speed of data transfare. $: sync -- Pavel Nemec package-maintainer http://en.opensuse.org/Czech_Packagers_Team - SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarska 1060/12 tel:+420 2 9654 2373 190 00 Praha 9 fax:+420 2 9654 2374 Ceska republika http://www.suse.cz pgpviUHeaftPw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Repeated: Copy speed (USB / openSUSE 10.1)
>>> Reply on 12-09-2006 10:24:06 <<<> Dne Monday 11 September 2006 15:18 Dominique Leuenberger napsal(a):> > > Unfortunately, I was quiet surprised by the speed I got of this> >> > action.> >> > > a hdparm -t /dev/sdc showed it would copy at 1MB / sec (which is> >> > about> 1MB/sec is still good numbers ;)> Look at this #114024> > You can try use async mode if it will be better.> $: mount -o remount,async /dev/sdc> do not forget to call sync after this !!! Becasue syncing data> is main > problem with speed of data transfare. > $: sync Oh.. I think I forgot to mention that I was copying from the Archos to the internal harddisc (SATA). So on USB there were no write requests. Dominique
Re: [opensuse] Repeated: Copy speed (USB / openSUSE 10.1)
On Monday 11 September 2006 15:18, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > ok, I admit, the mainboard (Asus P5LD2 Deluxe) I have already gave > me some surprises when installing Linux (I wanted to activate RAID0 > over two discs, as the board should support RAID, but the installer > detected a software raid). As far as I can see from the specs of this board, it has an Intel ICH7R controller, which should be hardware RAID. This means the RAID is set up in the BIOS, not in the system. So configure your RAID0 in the BIOS, then the OS will see a single drive - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Repeated: Copy speed (USB / openSUSE 10.1)
>>> Reply on 12-09-2006 10:43:33 <<<> On Monday 11 September 2006 15:18, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:> > ok, I admit, the mainboard (Asus P5LD2 Deluxe) I have already gave> > me some surprises when installing Linux (I wanted to activate RAID0> > over two discs, as the board should support RAID, but the installer> > detected a software raid).> > As far as I can see from the specs of this board, it has an Intel ICH7R> > controller, which should be hardware RAID. This means the RAID is set up> in > the BIOS, not in the system. So configure your RAID0 in the BIOS, then> the OS > will see a single drive Unfortunately, exactly THIS setup is NOT working. When configuring a RAID on the mainboard (as it should be in my eyes too), Linux denies installing, stating that it detected a Software raid. Kernels up to 2.4 would have had possibilities to deal with this (that's somewhat the message I saw while trying to install suse Linux 10.1 while hardware raid was activated) But that was only a side note on the post. Dominique TMF is a global management and accounting outsourcing firm with 65 offices in 51 countries and over 1,600 professionals (July 2006). TMF is expanding rapidly throughout the world. Learn more about our unique network and our services and visit our website at www.tmf-group.com. The information contained in this e-mail communication is confidential and solely intended for the person to whom it is addressed. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to notify the sender and to destroy the original e-mail communication. TMF is neither liable for the correct and complete transmission of the information contained in this e-mail communication nor for any delay in its receipt. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been checked for the presence of computer viruses.
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
>>> Reply on 12-09-2006 10:08:28 <<<> Matthias Hopf wrote:> [... a long discussion abut GPL and closed source drivers ... ] Sorry if I say this like this, but the position of SuSE / Novell in this part is just a hypocrisy: - Novell is developping Xgl / compiz - Xgl / Compiz would NOT have these fancy features, if not the proprietary drivers are installed (see also http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl#Hardware_Advisory) So sorry Novell: If you're THAT much against these closed source drivers (as they are against GPL, which we all agree) then please: DON'T force people to use them for having the fancy desktop you're building. Or at least offer a way to get the latest drivers for the latest kernels in your Products. The interesting fact for me is still that Novell is providing the RPMs to nVidia... so the 'linking' is NOT done by nVidia, but by Novell (for the SLE) products. Why should a company not worry for the license in the Enterprise products? But do worry on the free version? I expect a CLEAR line from Novell in this. Offer us drivers for our hardware that allows us to use your great Xgl / compiz. Dominique
[opensuse] paint program
I'm always surprised to see how it can be difficult to do simple tasks in Linux :-( I had to draw a rectangle (simple black frame) on a photo. This is done on the other system by any paint program, beginning with the default one. on my 10.1 openSUSE I couldn't find any such program. tuxpaint, the only paint program available from yast search, did not even open the image. Openoffice draw did the job, but I had to edit the defaults (default rectangle is filled with blue) and export the draw, losing 2/3 of the size on the way I'm pretty sure GIMP can do this, but I didn't succeed doing so, apart a awfull hand made line Why is there no such programm in openSUSE? Fresmeat gives at least xpaint, gnupaint and Kolourpaint jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
Tirsdag 12 september 2006 10:39 skrev jdd: > Why is there no such programm in openSUSE? Fresmeat gives at > least xpaint, gnupaint and Kolourpaint Krita (koffice-illustation), kolourpaint (kdegraphics3-imaging), Gimp, OOo-draw, tuxpaint.. Imagemagick. SUSE has all the image-editing software any homeuser could ever need.. If you have problems with the features of individual apps don't blame SUSE. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
On Sep 11, 06 23:51:20 -0500, Rajko M wrote: > So, we agree, I just said in different words "it is not that simple" :-) Peace :-) The world is a lovely place ;))) > I expected such answer. It was probably wrong example. Thanks :) > Important is that product without exact plans takes too much time to > make usable. Yes, but the company internally obviously has a plan, as the drivers (the binary ones) hit the street just in time when the hardware is available. We're not on their radar. > > For complex hardware w/o docs with erratas you need direct access to the > > hardware engineers. Which, of course, is only possible in-house. > > That is one of reason that kernel developers want GPLed software, not > proprietary accompanied with NDAs that one day can explode and run them > out of business. There are other issues why the source cannot easily be open sourced, especially third party IP, signed non-disclosure contracts, and being worried about potential patents. Intel has enough cross-license agreements, so they probably don't have to worry. Maybe the AMD/ATI merger could help here. Not so much with NVidia, though. M$ has tons of patents regarding 3D hardware, bought from SGI (when they were still written in capital letters). > > Software has bugs. Period. > > This is a lema in computer science, like it or not: > > All even modestly complex software has bugs. > > Read: helloworld.c has (hopefully) no bugs, all others have. > > Depends on compiler :-) I said hopefully :-P Well, helloworld links libc, which uses the kernel, which uses drivers, which accesses hardware. I guess there *is* a bug lingering in that link... somewhere... CU Matthias -- Matthias Hopf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ____ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg(_ | | (_ |__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone +49-911-74053-715__) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
On Sep 12, 06 10:13:12 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > Sorry if I say this like this, but the position of SuSE / Novell in > this part is just a hypocrisy: > - Novell is developping Xgl / compiz > - Xgl / Compiz would NOT have these fancy features, if not the > proprietary drivers are installed (see also > http://en.opensuse.org/Xgl#Hardware_Advisory) > > So sorry Novell: If you're THAT much against these closed source > drivers (as they are against GPL, which we all agree) then please: DON'T > force people to use them for having the fancy desktop you're building. > Or at least offer a way to get the latest drivers for the latest kernels > in your Products. I understand your point, and to the most part of it I agree. However, different groups have different opinions, that is the case in every bigger company. And the message to the outside world is pretty clear I think. We won't provide binary modules, but we (hopefully) make it easy for the customer if he decides to do so. Also Xgl/compiz works pretty well for intel chips, except OpenGL and accelerated XVideo (non-fullscreen, that is). > The interesting fact for me is still that Novell is providing the RPMs > to nVidia... so the 'linking' is NOT done by nVidia, but by Novell (for > the SLE) products. Why should a company not worry for the license in the > Enterprise products? But do worry on the free version? The problem is not linking, but distributing. > I expect a CLEAR line from Novell in this. Offer us drivers for our > hardware that allows us to use your great Xgl / compiz. Use intel. Unless you want above mentioned features, then you have to decide yourself wether you want the features (and risk not complying to GPL - which isn't totally clear yet), or go the safe path and don't use these features. For: "offer us drivers": We are not a hardware vendor. Thus we don't write drivers ourself. We help fixing them and package them. Matthias -- Matthias Hopf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ____ __ Maxfeldstr. 5 / 90409 Nuernberg(_ | | (_ |__ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone +49-911-74053-715__) |_| __) |__ labs www.mshopf.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
> I had to draw a rectangle (simple black frame) on a photo. > This is done on the other system by any paint program, > beginning with the default one. > I'm pretty sure GIMP can do this, but I didn't succeed doing > so, apart a awfull hand made line If I remember correctly, make a rectangular selection and stroke it. Or border it at desired width and fill with appropriate color. Or draw a box with the paths tool and stroke it - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
> > I'm pretty sure GIMP can do this, but I didn't succeed doing > > so, apart a awfull hand made line > > If I remember correctly, make a rectangular selection and stroke it. Or > border it at desired width and fill with appropriate color. Or draw a box > with the paths tool and stroke it to draw a straight line with any paint tool in the GIMP: 1) click where the line should start 2) shift-click where the line should end hints: -for a more complex shape, make more clicks without releasing the shift key -hold CTRL key to limit angles to multiples of 15° (useful for producing right angles for example) hope this helps Jakub Friedl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
On 9/12/06, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm always surprised to see how it can be difficult to do simple tasks in Linux :-( I had to draw a rectangle (simple black frame) on a photo. This is done on the other system by any paint program, beginning with the default one. So maybe you can get MS Paint to run under Wine, and everything is solved. In Gimp, a black border is actually very easy, because there is a plugin extension (installed by default) Script-Fu->Decor->Add Border Pflodo Peter Flodin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
Am Dienstag, 12. September 2006 13:10 schrieb Peter Flodin: > On 9/12/06, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm always surprised to see how it can be difficult to do > > simple tasks in Linux :-( > > > > I had to draw a rectangle (simple black frame) on a photo. > > This is done on the other system by any paint program, > > beginning with the default one. > > So maybe you can get MS Paint to run under Wine, and everything is solved. > > In Gimp, a black border is actually very easy, because there is a > plugin extension (installed by default) > > Script-Fu->Decor->Add Border > > Pflodo > Peter Flodin ... and digiKam has a plugin that allows to add borders of many different kinds in any color, extremely easy to use, with preview... Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
On Sep 12, 06 21:10:24 +1000, Peter Flodin wrote: > On 9/12/06, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I'm always surprised to see how it can be difficult to do > >simple tasks in Linux :-( > > > >I had to draw a rectangle (simple black frame) on a photo. > >This is done on the other system by any paint program, > >beginning with the default one. > > So maybe you can get MS Paint to run under Wine, and everything is solved. > > In Gimp, a black border is actually very easy, because there is a > plugin extension (installed by default) > > Script-Fu->Decor->Add Border This, if your border shall add to the size of the image, or An overlay border that covers portions of the image: Select->All (optional Select->Rounded Rectangle) Edit->Stroke Selection (*) Stroke with paint tool: Paintbrush Yeah, this is too complicated for beginners. Some kind soul please list 'all the simple things that should be simple' and file an enhancement bug so that more script-fu macros can be created. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
Peter Flodin a écrit : On 9/12/06, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm always surprised to see how it can be difficult to do simple tasks in Linux :-( I had to draw a rectangle (simple black frame) on a photo. This is done on the other system by any paint program, beginning with the default one. So maybe you can get MS Paint to run under Wine, and everything is solved. I could also use mswindows, that is not the point... In Gimp, a black border is actually very easy, because there is a plugin extension (installed by default) Script-Fu->Decor->Add Border It's not what I need, I don't need a border around the photo but a black rectangle around a part of the photo (to show this part in it's context) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
Rebecca Walter a écrit : I had to draw a rectangle (simple black frame) on a photo. This is done on the other system by any paint program, beginning with the default one. I'm pretty sure GIMP can do this, but I didn't succeed doing so, apart a awfull hand made line If I remember correctly, make a rectangular selection and stroke it. Or border it at desired width and fill with appropriate color. Or draw a box with the paths tool and stroke it this is probably the better solution (if I understant what is "stroke", I use the french GIMP version) I had to make a selection,, make a border and fill the border... the Jakub solution may be simpler for a rectangle (and one can make a more complex form: > 1) click where the line should start > 2) shift-click where the line should end > > hints: > -for a more complex shape, make more clicks without releasing the shift key > -hold CTRL key to limit angles to multiples of 15° (useful for producing > right angles for example) yes, this helps a lot even if it's not a complete answer. (how if I wan a circle :-() but all this is not obvious (I already said that GIMP had certainly a solution, there are probably some more :-) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
Dne Tuesday 12 September 2006 14:39 jdd napsal(a): > Peter Flodin a écrit : > > On 9/12/06, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'm always surprised to see how it can be difficult to do > >> simple tasks in Linux :-( > >> > >> I had to draw a rectangle (simple black frame) on a photo. > >> This is done on the other system by any paint program, > >> beginning with the default one. > > > > So maybe you can get MS Paint to run under Wine, and everything is > > solved. > > I could also use mswindows, that is not the point... > > > In Gimp, a black border is actually very easy, because there is a > > plugin extension (installed by default) > > > > Script-Fu->Decor->Add Border > > It's not what I need, I don't need a border around the photo > but a black rectangle around a part of the photo (to show > this part in it's context) > > jdd I cannot resist. I will probably use Inkscape for such purpose. It is good tool for drawing rectangles :D Pavel -- Pavel Nemec package-maintainer http://en.opensuse.org/Czech_Packagers_Team - SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarska 1060/12 tel:+420 2 9654 2373 190 00 Praha 9 fax:+420 2 9654 2374 Ceska republika http://www.suse.cz pgppyB3fhsVX5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] paint program
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 14:39, jdd wrote: > It's not what I need, I don't need a border around the photo > but a black rectangle around a part of the photo (to show > this part in it's context) kolourpaint (in the kdegraphics3-imaging package), open the image, select the "rectangle" tool, click'n'drag to create the rectangle. Very simple - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:39, jdd wrote: > It's not what I need, I don't need a border around the photo > but a black rectangle around a part of the photo (to show > this part in it's context) On GIMP 2.2.11: Use the Select Rectangular Regions tool (first icon in the toolbox) to draw a selection band around the area you wish to highlight. Choose Select -> Border, and enter a number for how wide you want the border to be. Select the Bucket tool and ensure it is set to the colour you want your border to be (Fill Type). Click on the border area. (If the bucket fill leaves gaps in the coverage, ensure that Fill whole Selection is ticked under Affected Area, rather than Fill Similar Colours.) -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.eurfa.org.uk - Geiriadur rhydd i'r Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
Martin Schlander a écrit : Tirsdag 12 september 2006 10:39 skrev jdd: Why is there no such programm in openSUSE? Fresmeat gives at least xpaint, gnupaint and Kolourpaint , kolourpaint (kdegraphics3-imaging), this is of course the answer (as I said in my post). The problem is so why I didn't find it at first (I did search for it) There are several problems here. I'm pretty sure to have used a "kpaint", but may be many years ago :-( - kde apps are quite frequently changing names the other problem is that these apps are included in other containers and a simple yast search do not show them. May be the new patterns system should show this more (Kolourpaint should be listed in the "graphics" yast list, not only it's container - same for Krita, wich name don't show it as a graphic app) thanks all :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
Pavel Nemec a écrit : I cannot resist. don't resist :-) I will probably use Inkscape for such purpose. It is good tool for drawing rectangles :D I don't know about Inkscape, but will get a try. if one looks a yast, graphics, bitmap: do you see any of these? I hope the new pattern system will fix this thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
>>> Reply on 12-09-2006 16:22:46 <<<> Pavel Nemec a écrit :> > > I cannot resist.> > don't resist :-)> > > I will probably use Inkscape for such purpose. It is good tool for> drawing > > rectangles :D> > I don't know about Inkscape, but will get a try.> > if one looks a yast, graphics, bitmap: do you see any of > these? I hope the new pattern system will fix this> thanks> jdd As far as I understood, the question was for a bitmap oriented porogram, which Inkscape for sure is not. Inkscape is vector based. Dominique
Re: [opensuse] paint program
Dominique Leuenberger a écrit : As far as I understood, the question was for a bitmap oriented porogram, which Inkscape for sure is not. Inkscape is vector based. true but it can do the job :-). Just had problem because it exports bitmaps as png (but may be there is a jpg option). Of course it's not the true answer :-) Krita do the job, but looks much like paintshop, much too complicated for the goal. Kolourpaint is definitively the good answer, I had only to find it :-) however, I nerver understood why GIMP don't have so obvious tools (probably do be different from competitors :-) - I _like_ GIMP but don't use it enough to know it well, alas jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Boson 0.12
Hi, On the BuildServer, I can find Boson at http://software.opensuse.org/download/games:/strategy:/realtime/SUSE_Linux_10.1/x86_64/ BUT: unfortunately, it is still the outdated Version 0.11. Are there any plans to update it to 0.12? Changes between 0.11 and 0.12: Major PlayerId redesign Several bugfixes Visual feedbacks when giving orders to units Provide ALT+number to center on a selection Show all production options in the commandframe, even those with unmet requirements (grayed out then) Powerplants now actually plant power Shadow support Turrets turn towards their target Weapons can use ammunition New radar system New method to find the 3d-position of the mouse position. This fixes problems with some broken OpenGL drivers and also fixes a performance issue A completely new species with its own models autotools replaced by cmake cvs replaced by subversion Dominique
Re: [opensuse] paint program
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 08:56, Anders Johansson wrote: > On Tuesday 12 September 2006 14:39, jdd wrote: > > It's not what I need, I don't need a border around the photo > > but a black rectangle around a part of the photo (to show > > this part in it's context) > > kolourpaint (in the kdegraphics3-imaging package), open the image, > select the "rectangle" tool, click'n'drag to create the rectangle. > Very simple > - Pretty much the same with Krita, part of the KOffice suite of programs. Krita gives you a bit of the professional level tools though, plus it will do 16/24 bit pictures which gimp won't do without some loss. Kolourpaint will load one too, but it's tools are simpler if you're just wanting to do something quickly and easily. Lee - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Fw: Driver Repository for openSUSE / SuSE Linux Enterprise (nVidia)
Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > [...] > So sorry Novell: If you're THAT much against these closed source drivers > (as they are against GPL, which we all agree) [...] We all agree? Sorry, no. Even Linus himself says, it's a difficult topic and a "grey zone" at the moment. Some kernel developers say, third-party closed-source drivers are violating the GPL. This can only be true if such drivers, when linked into the kernel, can be considered as "derived from the kernel" - in this case, the closed-source driver is violating the GPL as the kernel itself is distributed under GPL license. However, it's not as clear as some people want us to believe that the third-party driver can be considered as "derived from". The question at the end of the day is how lawyers interpret the term "derived from". As a software developer, my understanding of "derived from" seems to be a bit different from other people's opinion... In order to learn more about it, I have recently asked to provide the references for some judgements that were made at German courts and that were mentioned in an email here. But, as expected, when you ask for details and when you try to figure out whether these judgements really concern the questions that have been discussed on this list, then usually you get no answer. Don't take everything for granted, we should sometimes also dare to ask the detailed and unpopular questions - although some people don't like it. I think we all agree that open-source drivers are to be preferred and might be the best solution. However, from my point of view the cheap propaganda that some people make against closed-source drivers does not help to solve the problem at all! Cheers, Th. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Boson 0.12
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 16:37, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > http://software.opensuse.org/download/games:/strategy:/realtime/ > BUT: unfortunately, it is still the outdated Version 0.11. > Are there any plans to update it to 0.12? It's now updated to 0.12. Bye, Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] paint program
jdd wrote: ... > however, I never understood why GIMP don't have so obvious tools > (probably to be different from competitors :-) - I _like_ GIMP but don't > use it enough to know it well, alas ... It is well hidden ;-) Try Filters--Render--Gfig. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
