Re: [opensuse] alternate boot options for installations

[jdd]

Carl Hartung wrote:

This is similar to what I need to do, but I already know how to proceed 
*after* I've booted the installation kernel from grub.


in that case, it's enough to have the files /boot/../linux 
and initrd in any filesystem grub compatible (ext, reiser, 
dos) to start the install. Find the file on any install cd/dvd


jdd


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[opensuse] Icons disappear in KDE when using Firefox

[Curtis Rey]

Happy 2007 all! :D

I haven't figured out why when I start Firefox the Icons on my desktop (KDE 
3.55) disappear.   For instance, if the browser opens in the right corner 
position 0.0 and is say 1024x768 on a 1280x1024 then all the Icons behind 
this space are gone - and therefore when I move the browser window to see 
that indeed the icons behind have been blanked the icons where I moved the 
window is now gone.  It's kinda like an eraser.  

When I close Firefox then as soon as the browse is truly closed the icons come 
back (theres a short period where the browser is gone and so are the icone).

Any help would be appreciated - likely a straight forward fix (at least I'm 
hoping).

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Robert Smits]

On Monday 01 January 2007 17:06, John Andersen wrote:

> Yup, 10.1 pretty slow.  I found 10.2 much better in this regard.
> I still have one 10.1 machine to upgrade.

It's not much slower than 10.2 . I leave only the update,and the opensuse 
distribution repos turned on and set to refresh, and it takes about a minute 
to open. I only turn on guru or packman when I need to add something.

I'd like to use 10.2 but it breaks CrossOver Office, which I still need. 

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Re: [opensuse] Getting rid of "Marching Penguins"

[Verner Kjærsgaard]

Mandag 01 januar 2007 23:41 skrev Mike Grello:
> On Monday 01 January 2007 04:57 pm, John Andersen wrote:
> > On Monday 01 January 2007 10:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > > The Monday 2007-01-01 at 17:42 -, Dave Howorth wrote:
> > > > marketing?) who might raise an objection later. Far simpler to just
> > > > make things look 'professional' from the start.
> > >
> > > Then get the professional version, not the "geek" version :-p
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > >Carlos E. R.
> >
> > Exactly So!
> > If is boss is going to be evaluating software, even assuming his
> > boss is competent, and look and feel at boot time is what
> > makes or breaks the deal then get SLED, not opensuse..
> >
> > His boss sounds like the kind of guy who needs that security
> > blanket of a check being printed and mailed to pay for the
> > software.
>
> This is correct; the computing world does not begin and end with bean
> counting.  Leave some space for Grandma and little Timmy.  They matter.
>
Dear list,

- please allow me to add a few of my own observations gathered from working 
with the Linux/SuSE desktop in corporate environments...

a)
Management indeed tends to be very fuzzy about what's on their PC's. They do 
because they are used to a MS-Windows environment, where this is an important 
issue.

b)
Namedropping is popular. I always see to that company logos etc., are properly 
displayed just about everywhere when I go to a first time demo of an 
application or a desktop for a buyer. Having a logozied (new word :-)) setup 
is a fine icebreaker. Even you could argue that it's ever so primitive, it 
works.  I ALLWAYS see to that the first desktop background sports the company 
logo. They don't say anything..., but they love it.



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Med venlig hilsen/Best regards
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Re: [opensuse] The Perfect Setup - OpenSuSE 10.2 (32-bit)

[Koenraad Lelong]

Hans du Plooy schreef:

On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 19:09 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:

[snip]


[snip again]


If anyone who knows MySQL well knows which table contains the e-mail
address, I might get courier to authenticate against that instead of
against pam.

Hans

Hi Hans,

I do authentication against MySQL with Courier. Unfortunately, Courier 
from Suse 10.1 has no support for MySQL auth. If you don't mind 
compiling, you can add the missing pieces.
To ease maintenance, I modified the courier-authlib specfile, using the 
'original' (from Double Precision, maintainers (?) of Courier) spec-file 
and made an rpm for courier-authlib-mysql.
After that, you have to make an authmysqlrc file in /etc/authlib. 
authmysqlrc is documented in postfixadmin, I think.

Hope this helps,
Koenraad lelong.
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Re: [opensuse] What happened to synce, rapi and kcemirror

[Marcel Ruff]

When i now start odccm it returns silently,
can i assume that it started properly?

Now i don't know what to do next...

The IPAQ is, according to /var/log/messages', connected.

Entering 'pls' returns
 pls
 pls: Could not find configuration at path '(Default)'

Entering 'rapip:///' in konqueror returns
 Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
 klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_rapip'.

I have found a synce-kde-pack-0.9.1-6.src.rpm on my system (probably
from the old OpenSuse 10.1?), it is installed and contains thinks like 
rapip etc.


Where did you get your 'synce-kde' from?

thanks
Marcel

Mark Goldstein wrote:

On 12/31/06, Mark Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 12/31/06, Marcel Ruff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
http://www.synce.org/index.php/Building_SynCE_with_Windows_Mobile_2005_support_from_Subversion 


>
> The initial USB connect seems to work now after some troubles(it is 
a HP

> IPAQ 6910),
> but then i get this error:
>
> 
> noty:~ # odccm
> ** ERROR **: Failed to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to
> socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused



I can say that after I found out how to configure all components
(orange, unshield, dynamite and synce-kde) to go to the right
directories, rapi works OK to me (well, there is no kcemirror for some
reason, but I did not use it anyway).



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Re: [opensuse] Smart failes to upgrade amarok

[Mark Goldstein]

On 1/1/07, Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Where did you get "lidmad" from ?
That's definitely not an RPM for SUSE Linux.


As far as I could see it came from VLC player. Their repository for SuSE 10.2 is
http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/0.8.6/SuSE/10.2/i586

There is libmad-0.15.1b-2.0.i586.rpm there.
This is it's "info" (and the same is printed out by rpm -qi libmad):

NAME: libmad
VERSION:  0.15.1b
RELEASE:  2.0
SUMMARY:  a high-quality MPEG audio decoder capable of 24-bit output
DISTRIBUTION:
VENDOR:
LICENSE:  GPL
PACKAGER: Dominique Leuenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GROUP:System/Libraries
OS:   linux
ARCH: i586
SOURCE RPM:   libmad-0.15.1b-2.0.src.rpm
DESCRIPTION:
libMAD is  a high-quality MPEG audio decoder capable of 24-bit output.


It looks like YaST somehow understands that it's the same library. I
saw that kb3 (from PackMan) also needs that library. I installed it
with YaST and have not got any conflict indication.

To check this I selected this [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
YaST, and yes, it installed it without complaining. Now I see both mad
and libmad packages.
I guess it could be dangerous in some situations.

But I do like that YaST allows user to decide how to resolve the
conflict. I thought there could be such option in Smart, but could not
find it.

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Pascal Bleser]

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Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Monday 2007-01-01 at 14:37 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:
>>> Each configured repository can individually be set to "Refresh" or not. 
>>> Only when the repository's refresh is "on" does it retrieve the content 
>>> information every time you launch the Software Management module.
> 
> Where is that explained? :-o
> 
> It sounds very interesting, but even firing the part of yast to change 
> repos is half an hour.
> 
> ...
> 
>>> Repositories that change infrequently are better left with their refresh 
>>> off. If they happen to change at some point, you can refresh them 
>>> manually in the Installation Source YaST module 
> 
> Firing that module takes half an hour or more in my system (10.1).

Definitely get rid of ZMD on 10.1
http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources
http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.1

 Add to that the dodgy mirrors that come and go based on
 the phases of the moon, and you soon learn to keep your
 repo list to a minimum.
>>> It's true that if a given configured repository is under load too great 
>>> for it to bear that launching Software Management can take a very long 
>>> time to get to the point of interaction with that module, but I don't 
>>> see a practical alternative, since the installer really needs to have 
>>> up-to-date information on the state of the repository from which it is 
>>> retrieving packages to install.
> 
> It could use an rsync method instead of full download of the metadata.

Most servers don't provide rsync but only HTTP and/or FTP.
And it wouldn't help much anyway because when the metadata is generated
again, all the metadata files are modified. RPM-MD metadata files are
even gzipped, so it's very unlikely rsync's binary deltas would be a big
help to reduce the download size.

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Re: [opensuse] What happened to synce, rapi and kcemirror

[Mark Goldstein]

On 1/2/07, Marcel Ruff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

When i now start odccm it returns silently,
can i assume that it started properly?


I guess so.



Now i don't know what to do next...

The IPAQ is, according to /var/log/messages', connected.



Did you configure synce serial connection and started it?

I have my iPaq on ttyUSB0, so I used synce-serial-config to set it up
and then I'm calling synce-serial-start to actually connect to PDA.


I have found a synce-kde-pack-0.9.1-6.src.rpm on my system (probably
from the old OpenSuse 10.1?), it is installed and contains thinks like
rapip etc.

Where did you get your 'synce-kde' from?


ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/atrpms.net/sl10.2-i386/suse/RPMS.release

I can't say right now what version it is (have to check it at home).
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[opensuse] Active desktop borders in KDE (10.2)

[Marius Roets]

Hi everybody,
I always enable active desktop borders in KDE (gives the ability to
change desktops as if it were all one big one). In 10.2 there has been
a change in how this works however. When it is enabled, it now wraps
around (if I move the mouse out on the left side of the leftmost
desktop, it enters again on the rightmost desktop etc), which it never
used to do before.

Does anybody know of a way to disable this behaviour.

Thanks
Marius
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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[jdd]

Pascal Bleser wrote:


Definitely get rid of ZMD on 10.1
http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources
http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.1


I can't agree with such assertion.

I don't know about smart (safe for your numerous mails) and 
don't want to unless it becomes the official openSUSE tool


I use daily 10.1 and yast/zen works perfectly for me. the 
initial problems are gone.


don't forget zen in the main Novell product and will 
probably stay so, so we can only expect enhancements for it 
and permanent use through the new openSUSE releases. I think 
we should better learn zen and debug it if necessary than 
switch for an other system, that is not bugfree (as nobody 
can be)


I don't mean _you_ won't have to advertise smart, but don't 
take it anyway "semi-official" as you do


thanks

jdd
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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Tuesday 2007-01-02 at 11:12 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:

> > Firing that module takes half an hour or more in my system (10.1).
> 
> Definitely get rid of ZMD on 10.1
> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources
> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.1

It doesn't explain there what removing ZMD would affect.

| Sources here can either be added using YaST, or by using the rug 
| command-line tool, or thirdly by using the excellent Smart package 
| manager. Since there were problems with ZMD (of which rug is the 
| command-line tool) we recommend that you use the Smart Package Manager, 
| instead of YaST and rug.

If removing ZMD means not using Yast, I don't see how that would solve 
Yast speed problem!


> > It could use an rsync method instead of full download of the metadata.
> 
> Most servers don't provide rsync but only HTTP and/or FTP.
> And it wouldn't help much anyway because when the metadata is generated
> again, all the metadata files are modified. RPM-MD metadata files are
> even gzipped, so it's very unlikely rsync's binary deltas would be a big
> help to reduce the download size.

The repodata directory of packman contains about 2.5 MB for 10.2 and more 
than double for 10.1; yours is about 2 Mb. That's very noticiable for a 
modem. If than could be reduced somehow, it would be very nice. For a 
modem that means... seven minutes download. For an adsl at 100KB/S it's 
under a minute, not important compared to the half an hour it takes 
processing or who knows what.

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Re: [opensuse] Switch from KDM to GDM

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The Monday 2007-01-01 at 19:59 -0500, Doctor Who wrote:

> > > I want to switch to using the gnome display manager from kdm.  How do i do
> > > that?
> >
> > # $editor /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager
> > # SuSEconfig
> >
> > Detlef
> 
> Thanks!

There is one gotcha, though: you'd better be on runlevel 3 when you do 
that change. If not, when the system tries to change login it will try to 
kill gdm (not running yet), start gdm, and leave kdm running. Two 
managers at the same time: problems.

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Curtis Rey]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 02:12, Pascal Bleser wrote:

> Definitely get rid of ZMD on 10.1
> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources
> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.1

Excellent!! Fur Dunke und glückliches neues Jahr!

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Re: [opensuse] What happened to synce, rapi and kcemirror

[Marcel Ruff]

Did you configure synce serial connection and started it?

I have my iPaq on ttyUSB0, so I used synce-serial-config to set it up
and then I'm calling synce-serial-start to actually connect to PDA.

Ahh, yes these are lost in suse 10.2 as well, i can't find them anywhere.
Do you remember where you got synce-serial-config from?



I have found a synce-kde-pack-0.9.1-6.src.rpm on my system (probably
from the old OpenSuse 10.1?), it is installed and contains thinks like
rapip etc.

Where did you get your 'synce-kde' from?


ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/atrpms.net/sl10.2-i386/suse/RPMS.release

I can't say right now what version it is (have to check it at home).

-> synce-kde-0.8.0-23.i586.rpm
(seems to be older than
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=30550&package_id=73834&release_id=392909
which is 0.9.1 from February 2006, so i'll stick with 0.9.1)
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Re: [opensuse] What happened to synce, rapi and kcemirror

[Mark Goldstein]

On 1/2/07, Marcel Ruff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Did you configure synce serial connection and started it?
>
> I have my iPaq on ttyUSB0, so I used synce-serial-config to set it up
> and then I'm calling synce-serial-start to actually connect to PDA.
Ahh, yes these are lost in suse 10.2 as well, i can't find them anywhere.
Do you remember where you got synce-serial-config from?


This is part of synce package.
I'm sorry, actually I used synce rpm from that
ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/atrpms.net/sl10.2-i386/suse/RPMS.release

I tried synce-kde from this site, but raki crashed. So I compiled the
package from source taken from sourceforge.net, as you wrote.
I also used orange, unshield and dynamite from sourceforge.
Maybe it was possible to do it other way, but I've only managed to
compile synce-kde after I configured and installed all these 3 packets
with option --prefix=/usr and then configured synce-kde with options
--with-libdynamite=/usr --with-libunshield=/usr... and so on (not sure
the syntax is exactly like that). In this case synce-kde components
were placed into correct directories so KDE could find them.

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Re: [opensuse] Getting rid of "Marching Penguins"

[Michael Nelson]

On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 01:32:31PM -0500, BandiPat wrote:

> Copy and paste from the email Mike, they both still work as James 
> mentioned.

I had done that, but in both cases had neglected to include the leading "=".
I tried it again just now and yep, it does work.

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Pascal Bleser]

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jdd wrote:
> Pascal Bleser wrote:
> 
>> Definitely get rid of ZMD on 10.1
>> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources
>> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.1
> 
> I can't agree with such assertion.
> 
> I don't know about smart (safe for your numerous mails) and don't want
> to unless it becomes the official openSUSE tool

You don't know about smart, so why are you giving your opinion anyway.

> I use daily 10.1 and yast/zen works perfectly for me. the initial
> problems are gone.

I can definitely see the opposite on #suse every day.

Syncing to ZMD is a big pain and makes the repository metadata updating
a lot slower + the architecture is braindead and very error-prone in the
first place. As long as syncing like that will be involved, there will
always be major issues with it.
And ZMD's behavior as a process is still horrible.

ZMD got less worse on 10.2 but it's still a brain-dead concept.

> don't forget zen in the main Novell product and will probably stay so,
> so we can only expect enhancements for it and permanent use through the
> new openSUSE releases.

I sure hope we can push for the ZMD backend *not* being the default
option on 10.3.
At least on 10.2 you can more or less easily switch to the zypp backend
instead of zmd, but unfortunately the ZMD backend is still the default.

Zen being "in the main Novell product" doesn't mean we can't fix it.

> I think we should better learn zen and debug it if necessary than
> switch for an other system, that is not bugfree (as nobody can be)

The zypp backend works a lot better than the ZMD backend.
And, as I wrote above, the ZMD backend will always be broken as it is by
design.
It involves using a lot more resources, a misbehaving daemon that takes
a lot of CPU and RAM, duplicating repository metadata between yast and
ZMD, ...

With the zypp backend there's no duplication nor syncing.

> I don't mean _you_ won't have to advertise smart, but don't take it
> anyway "semi-official" as you do

What is "semi-official" supposed to be ?
And where have you seen me being "semi-official" ?
Referencing pages on opensuse-community.org ?
Well, it's not "semi official", it's 100% "unofficial", which is the
whole point of the opensuse-community.org wiki.

My advice: make yourself a favor and dump ZMD in favor of the zypp
backend or smart.

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Pascal Bleser]

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Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Tuesday 2007-01-02 at 11:12 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
 Firing that module takes half an hour or more in my system (10.1).
>>> Definitely get rid of ZMD on 10.1
>>> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources
>>> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.1
> 
> It doesn't explain there what removing ZMD would affect.

Your system will work better. Less resource scamming because ZMD is gone
and the zypp backend works better anyway.

Using the ZMD backend involves syncing the repository metadata that is
fetched by yast2 with the ZMD backend, for every repository.
That means a lot of overhead as the metadata is most probably synced
twice, which in turn is part of the reason the yast2 module takes half
an hour or more to refresh repositories on your system.
Even more so on 10.1.

> | Sources here can either be added using YaST, or by using the rug 
> | command-line tool, or thirdly by using the excellent Smart package 
> | manager. Since there were problems with ZMD (of which rug is the 
> | command-line tool) we recommend that you use the Smart Package Manager, 
> | instead of YaST and rug.
> 
> If removing ZMD means not using Yast, I don't see how that would solve 
> Yast speed problem!

It does, because ZMD is the reason for the "yast speed problems" as far
as the package management module is concerned.

Using smart means using smart for package management instead of yast2.
Of course, you can still use the other yast2 modules, they're perfectly
fine.

Actually you can still use yast2 as your package manager on 10.1, just
remove ZMD and the yast2 ZMD backend as explained on the wiki page, and
yast2 will fall back to the zypp backend.
That one works fine, uses less resources, doesn't involve syncing.
You'll just lose the zen-updater applet for the systray.

On 10.2 there's the opensuse-updater applet when using the zypp backend.

 It could use an rsync method instead of full download of the metadata.
>>> Most servers don't provide rsync but only HTTP and/or FTP.
>>> And it wouldn't help much anyway because when the metadata is generated
>>> again, all the metadata files are modified. RPM-MD metadata files are
>>> even gzipped, so it's very unlikely rsync's binary deltas would be a big
>>> help to reduce the download size.
> 
> The repodata directory of packman contains about 2.5 MB for 10.2 and more 
> than double for 10.1; yours is about 2 Mb. That's very noticiable for a 
> modem. If than could be reduced somehow, it would be very nice. For a 
> modem that means... seven minutes download. For an adsl at 100KB/S it's 
> under a minute, not important compared to the half an hour it takes 
> processing or who knows what.

Well, what can I say. If we could reduce it some way, we would have done
it years ago. A magic spell won't reduce it from 2MB to 20kb.

http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2006/11/repository-stripping.html
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-12/msg00033.html

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Re: [opensuse] Changing users temp folder

[Basil Chupin]

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The Monday 2007-01-01 at 01:08 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:


In Firefox - which is the, or one of the, browsers under discussion the
default place where files are downloaded to if nothing is deliberately set is
the Desktop. Check it out for yourself.

If you do NOT have any file associations set in FF and you come across a pdf
file *for the first time* and click on it, FF will give you a menu where you
have a choice of what to do with that pdf file. If you simply choose to
download it then FF will do this:


No, we choose to open.


- if you have set a download directory for *any* downloads
(Edit/Preferences/Downloads) then this pdf file - which WILL have a specific
name, and not a random name as you mention above - will be downloaded into the
set download directory;


The OP is not talking about file downloads, even if he mistakenly said so 
at first. Nor am I. We are both talking about opening a file from inside 
the browser, clicking on it. He confirmed this later.


Just try to _open_ a pdf file. It will be downloaded to somewhere first 
behind the scenes, and you will not be asked where. But if you check, you 
will see that it is somewhere in /tmp - regardless of where downloaded 
files normally go (you see that if you select "save" from inside acrobat 
when the file is finally displayed). The _open_ function is different, in 
theory they are deleted right after.




- if you do NOT have a set download directory then FF will download the file
to the default destination which is Desktop.


The OP is asking how to change that destination to be somewhere under his
home folder instead.

All one has to do is set the damn destination in Preferences in FF! :-) .


No, that does not work for OPEN.



OK, I've "un-preferenced" my Firefox back to its dreary basic self :-) 
and tested on a pdf file and I see what you mean by the pdf file going 
into /tmp when simply viewed by Acroread (but why one would view a pdf 
file and not save it on the spot but rather go thru the convoluted 
process of saving it LATER is beyond me - but I wont argue :-) ; seems 
to me it makes more sense to save it first and if you don't want it then 
delete it.).


Further, this file has been sitting in /tmp for some 22+ hours now and 
hasn't (quickly) disappeared as was suggested that it would.


Also, as I mentioned, this pdf file - as everything FF "sees" on the 
'net - is sitting in the FF Cache so there are actually 2 copies of this 
same pdf file sitting on the HD although the file name in the Cache is 
not the same. However, if you use konqueror and look inside the Cache, 
konqueror identifies all the files there by their type - ie, it 
identifies files as pdfs, HTMLs, gifs, jpgs, etc etc. so it was/is easy 
to find and copy the pdf file I was playing around whereever I wanted. 
And because I have made my Cache big (200MB) it will be for some days yet.


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Re: [opensuse] Icons disappear in KDE when using Firefox

[Basil Chupin]

Curtis Rey wrote:

Happy 2007 all! :D

I haven't figured out why when I start Firefox the Icons on my desktop (KDE 
3.55) disappear.   For instance, if the browser opens in the right corner 
position 0.0 and is say 1024x768 on a 1280x1024 then all the Icons behind 
this space are gone - and therefore when I move the browser window to see 
that indeed the icons behind have been blanked the icons where I moved the 
window is now gone.  It's kinda like an eraser.  

When I close Firefox then as soon as the browse is truly closed the icons come 
back (theres a short period where the browser is gone and so are the icone).


Any help would be appreciated - likely a straight forward fix (at least I'm 
hoping).


TIA, Curtis.


While I have never experienced this so cannot help but have to ask 2 
questions: (1) does this happen if you open another application and move 
it the way you move FF?; and (2) what happens if you open FF is full 
screen and then either use the 'restore' and the 'minimise' buttons?


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Re: [opensuse] Smart failes to upgrade amarok

[Basil Chupin]

Mark Goldstein wrote:

On 1/1/07, Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Where did you get "lidmad" from ?
That's definitely not an RPM for SUSE Linux.


As far as I could see it came from VLC player. Their repository for SuSE 
10.2 is

http://download.videolan.org/pub/vlc/0.8.6/SuSE/10.2/i586

There is libmad-0.15.1b-2.0.i586.rpm there.
This is it's "info" (and the same is printed out by rpm -qi libmad):

NAME: libmad
VERSION:  0.15.1b
RELEASE:  2.0
SUMMARY:  a high-quality MPEG audio decoder capable of 24-bit output
DISTRIBUTION:
VENDOR:
LICENSE:  GPL
PACKAGER: Dominique Leuenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
GROUP:System/Libraries
OS:   linux
ARCH: i586
SOURCE RPM:   libmad-0.15.1b-2.0.src.rpm
DESCRIPTION:
libMAD is  a high-quality MPEG audio decoder capable of 24-bit output.


It looks like YaST somehow understands that it's the same library. I
saw that kb3 (from PackMan) also needs that library. I installed it
with YaST and have not got any conflict indication.

To check this I selected this [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
YaST, and yes, it installed it without complaining. Now I see both mad
and libmad packages.
I guess it could be dangerous in some situations.

But I do like that YaST allows user to decide how to resolve the
conflict. I thought there could be such option in Smart, but could not
find it.



I think I also had a similar problem with something connected with 
amarok or at least something I downloaded from videolan.org and raised 
the query about my problem in the smart mail list. After I received the 
answer to my query I deleted the RPM I got from videolan.org and the 
problem disappeared.


You could go to the smart mail list archives and find the query I raised 
and the response I got.


Cheers.



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Re: [opensuse] Icons disappear in KDE when using Firefox

[Curtis Rey]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 04:23, Basil Chupin wrote:
> Curtis Rey wrote:
> > Happy 2007 all! :D
> >
> > I haven't figured out why when I start Firefox the Icons on my desktop
> > (KDE 3.55) disappear.   For instance, if the browser opens in the right
> > corner position 0.0 and is say 1024x768 on a 1280x1024 then all the Icons
> > behind this space are gone - and therefore when I move the browser window
> > to see that indeed the icons behind have been blanked the icons where I
> > moved the window is now gone.  It's kinda like an eraser.
> >
> > When I close Firefox then as soon as the browse is truly closed the icons
> > come back (theres a short period where the browser is gone and so are the
> > icone).
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated - likely a straight forward fix (at least
> > I'm hoping).
> >
> > TIA, Curtis.
>
> While I have never experienced this so cannot help but have to ask 2
> questions: (1) does this happen if you open another application and move
> it the way you move FF?; and (2) what happens if you open FF is full
> screen and then either use the 'restore' and the 'minimise' buttons?
>
It only happens in FF.  If I set to full screen - F11 and back all that 
happens is the desktop is void of icons - closing FF and they restore.

Cheers, Curtis.

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[jdd]

Pascal Bleser wrote:


You don't know about smart, so why are you giving your opinion anyway.


because for me SuSE = Yast and I wont change that. I also 
have seen bugreports for smart, there are also other systems 
(bare rpm, apt...) smart is only _your_ choice



Zen being "in the main Novell product" doesn't mean we can't fix it.


fix it in the meaning of making it better, for sure, it's 
needed. Replacing it by an other product when it's the core 
product of our only sponsor is probably not a choice (I 
attended a SLES/SLED conference, half of the time was about 
the hole Zen suite)



And, as I wrote above, the ZMD backend will always be broken as it is by
design.


what is mainstream is the zen suite. I presume that it's 
updater can (and hopefully will) evolve. I don't say it's 
perfect, but switching for an entirely different system is 
for me exactly like switching for red hat, debian or mandrake.


anyway, my personal concern is nor zen but YaST. Is there 
where a YaST smart module, situation would be entirely 
different, but is it to be any?



It involves using a lot more resources, a misbehaving daemon that takes
a lot of CPU and RAM, duplicating repository metadata between yast and
ZMD, ...


I know all the problems, this costed me one hour in a 
year... but why not working to fix them inspite of forking?



Well, it's not "semi official", it's 100% "unofficial", which is the
whole point of the opensuse-community.org wiki.


as I understood, opensuse-community.org was to discuss 
things impossible to discuss on opensuse.org. smart is _not_ 
one of these points. the simple "opensuse-community" wording 
means this represents the hole opensuse community (without 
"-"), isn't it?


if the opensuse-community wiki was to take such direction 
like your smart switch, I would definitively tag is 
unrecommended.


smart is _a_ choice, yours. this is nice as long as you 
don't advertise it as the only choice


jdd

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Re: [opensuse] Smart failes to upgrade amarok

[Mark Goldstein]

On 1/2/07, Basil Chupin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think I also had a similar problem with something connected with
amarok or at least something I downloaded from videolan.org and raised
the query about my problem in the smart mail list. After I received the
answer to my query I deleted the RPM I got from videolan.org and the
problem disappeared.


Thnx, that's what I'll do (I also think I'll remove videolan from
installation sources, since I found out that vlc rpm is on packman as
well.)

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Re: [opensuse] Icons disappear in KDE when using Firefox

[Basil Chupin]

Curtis Rey wrote:

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 04:23, Basil Chupin wrote:

Curtis Rey wrote:

Happy 2007 all! :D

I haven't figured out why when I start Firefox the Icons on my desktop
(KDE 3.55) disappear.   For instance, if the browser opens in the right
corner position 0.0 and is say 1024x768 on a 1280x1024 then all the Icons
behind this space are gone - and therefore when I move the browser window
to see that indeed the icons behind have been blanked the icons where I
moved the window is now gone.  It's kinda like an eraser.

When I close Firefox then as soon as the browse is truly closed the icons
come back (theres a short period where the browser is gone and so are the
icone).

Any help would be appreciated - likely a straight forward fix (at least
I'm hoping).

TIA, Curtis.

While I have never experienced this so cannot help but have to ask 2
questions: (1) does this happen if you open another application and move
it the way you move FF?; and (2) what happens if you open FF is full
screen and then either use the 'restore' and the 'minimise' buttons?

It only happens in FF.  If I set to full screen - F11 and back all that 
happens is the desktop is void of icons - closing FF and they restore.


Of course I tried all this on my 10.2 before asking you the Qs so all I 
can say that it isn't FF zapping the icons on you. Not much of a help I 
know but it does indicate that the answer lies not in FF.


Didn't someone suggest a while back when confronted with a hassle in kde 
to delete the ./kde dir (after backing it up of course) in your /home 
and let it rebuild itself? But before doing this better wait for this to 
be confirmed and don't take my word for it :-) .


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Re: [opensuse] Active desktop borders in KDE (10.2)

[Basil Chupin]

Marius Roets wrote:

Hi everybody,
I always enable active desktop borders in KDE (gives the ability to
change desktops as if it were all one big one). In 10.2 there has been
a change in how this works however. When it is enabled, it now wraps
around (if I move the mouse out on the left side of the leftmost
desktop, it enters again on the rightmost desktop etc), which it never
used to do before.

Does anybody know of a way to disable this behaviour.


Well I never :-) . So that is what "active borders" means :-) . OK, 
I just set mine (I have 6 Desktops) to active and everything is working 
without the problem you describe - each 'top snapping into place and not 
wrapping -  so I have no answer for you but do have a Thank You for 
telling me about Active Borders :-) .


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[opensuse] verify unicode/utf-8 fonts

[Morten Bjørnsvik]

Hi

Is there an easy way to verify which font are unicode/utf-8 
from command line without actually loading in the font?

You can set encoding to 'uni' in xfontsel and see which fonts are
unicode when choosing family.


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[opensuse] Re: verify unicode/utf-8 fonts

[Joachim Schrod]

Morten Bjørnsvik wrote:


Is there an easy way to verify which font are unicode/utf-8 
from command line without actually loading in the font?


xlsfonts | grep -- -iso10646

I don't know if that catches all; learning the ins and outs of 
fontconfig is still on my todo list.


Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Pascal Bleser]

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jdd wrote:
> Pascal Bleser wrote:
>> You don't know about smart, so why are you giving your opinion anyway.
> 
> because for me SuSE = Yast and I wont change that. I also have seen
> bugreports for smart, there are also other systems (bare rpm, apt...)
> smart is only _your_ choice

Sure. And given my experience, it's what I recommend on 10.1
On 10.2, use either the zypp backend or smart, as you prefer.
Personally, I stick with smart because I like it better than yast2/zypp
or zypper, but the zypp backend works fine on 10.2 (as on 10.1, but even
more so on 10.2).

>> Zen being "in the main Novell product" doesn't mean we can't fix it.
> 
> fix it in the meaning of making it better, for sure, it's needed.
> Replacing it by an other product when it's the core product of our only
> sponsor is probably not a choice (I attended a SLES/SLED conference,
> half of the time was about the hole Zen suite)

Replace it with the zypp backend, definitely.

Don't attend SLED/SLES marketing conferences, spend time with the people
who use openSUSE.
Since when is this [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?

Zen gives you no advantage on openSUSE unless you already bought
Zenworks to manage your park of workstations/servers.
It only gives headaches. Lots of them.

>> And, as I wrote above, the ZMD backend will always be broken as it is by
>> design.
> 
> what is mainstream is the zen suite. I presume that it's updater can
> (and hopefully will) evolve. I don't say it's perfect, but switching for
> an entirely different system is for me exactly like switching for red
> hat, debian or mandrake.

How is zen any "mainstream" ? It's broken and it is broken by design
because the integration architecture with yast is sick.

Use the zypp backend, don't use ZMD.
And let's push for zypp being the default yast2 package manager backend
on 10.3.

> anyway, my personal concern is nor zen but YaST. Is there where a YaST
> smart module, situation would be entirely different, but is it to be any?

Ridiculous. Whatever your religious sales belief or your loyalty to
Novell's SLED marketing powerpoint slides are, using smart on 10.1 is
about having a package manager that *works*.

>> It involves using a lot more resources, a misbehaving daemon that takes
>> a lot of CPU and RAM, duplicating repository metadata between yast and
>> ZMD, ...
> 
> I know all the problems, this costed me one hour in a year... but why
> not working to fix them inspite of forking?

Fork ZMD ? yast2 ? You gotta be kidding.
Vote to have the zypp-backend as default in yast2 for 10.3, that's what
we should do.

>> Well, it's not "semi official", it's 100% "unofficial", which is the
>> whole point of the opensuse-community.org wiki.
> 
> as I understood, opensuse-community.org was to discuss things impossible
> to discuss on opensuse.org. smart is _not_ one of these points. the
> simple "opensuse-community" wording means this represents the hole
> opensuse community (without "-"), isn't it?

Why isn't smart one of them ?
If it wasn't for smart, at least half of the people who tried 10.1 would
have dropped SUSE and never look back.

And as *active*, committed community members who help lots of people to
use SUSE on IRC every single day, if we want to put a page about setting
up smart and recommend using smart on 10.1 because we saved lots of
people from the ZMD mess, then we just do so.

That has been the best and most helpful approach on 10.1 from our
experience.

On 10.2, it's a different story because the zypp backend works well.
If you prefer smart, use smart. If you prefer apt, use apt (although
it's not biarch-capable). If you prefer yum, use yum. And if you like
yast2, use yast2 with the zypp backend.

The latter actually being what we explain and recommend, here:
http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.2

And yes, the first section recommends and explains how to remove ZMD in
order to use the zypp backend.

> if the opensuse-community wiki was to take such direction like your
> smart switch, I would definitively tag is unrecommended.

Oh really. I wonder what makes you think you've got a better clue than
me wrt package managers, problems people ask for help on IRC and the
technical architecture of the ZMD backend in yast2.

> smart is _a_ choice, yours. this is nice as long as you don't advertise
> it as the only choice

*gasp* I never "advertised it as being the only choice" but
1) definitely remove ZMD, whatever you use, just remove ZMD
2) *recommended* using smart on 10.1 -- if you want to stick with yast2,
use the zypp backend

http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.1
"Sources here can either be added using YaST, or by using the rug
command-line tool, or thirdly by using the excellent Smart package
manager. Since there were problems with ZMD (of which rug is the
command-line tool) we recommend that you use the Smart Package Manager,
instead of YaST and rug."

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Re: [opensuse] alternate boot options for installations

[Carl Hartung]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 03:00, jdd wrote:
> Carl Hartung wrote:
> > This is similar to what I need to do, but I already know how to proceed
> > *after* I've booted the installation kernel from grub.
>
> in that case, it's enough to have the files /boot/../linux
> and initrd in any filesystem grub compatible (ext, reiser,
> dos) to start the install. Find the file on any install cd/dvd

Thanks, jdd. In case my previous "[solved]" post wasn't clear enough, this 
procedure assumes a *working grub bootloader is already installed* on the 
system:

* loop mount the dvd.iso and copy the contents into a spare partition

* restart & do as follows from the grub boot menu:

'Esc' to exit the graphic boot menu
'c' to enter commandline mode

* note: in this example, the dvd contents were copied
   into partition '/dev/hdc2'. In grub-speak, this is '(hd2,1)',
   so insert your correct device & partition numbers.

Continue:

grub> root (hd2,1)
grub> kernel /boot/i386/loader/linux root=/boot/i386/root
grub> initrd /boot/i386/loader/initrd
grub> boot

That's it. The installation will boot as though from the dvd, itself.

hth & regards,

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Re: [opensuse] XGL and Radeon X1300

[Jens Nixdorf]

Am Montag, 1. Januar 2007 16:39 schrieb Dotty Pixel:
> XGL isn't working with my Radeon X1300, meaning I can't do the effects
> such as the desktop cube and 3D games. I've been looking around on the
> ATI website, and I found a driver for Linux, but it still doesn't seem
> to be working after the download and install. What am I doing wrong?

Look first here:
http://en.opensuse.org/ATI_Driver

then here:

>
> --
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And why then you wrote Dotty in your name field of your mail program?

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[opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Ian Moore]

Hi,
I've recently installed Suse10.2 on my new computer which has an Intel DP965LT 
motherboard. It has the ICH8 chipset and Suse detected & installed the Intel 
HD-Audio driver (snd_hda_intel) for the soundcard, which works fine for 
playback. However, only the Digital Line In is available as an input (I'm 
running KDE and both it's mixer and Audacity only show Line Out & Digital 
Line In).

I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about enabling the analogue inputs?

Cheers,
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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Kenneth Schneider]

On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 00:07 -0800, Robert Smits wrote:
> On Monday 01 January 2007 17:06, John Andersen wrote:
> 
> > Yup, 10.1 pretty slow.  I found 10.2 much better in this regard.
> > I still have one 10.1 machine to upgrade.
> 
> It's not much slower than 10.2 . I leave only the update,and the opensuse 
> distribution repos turned on and set to refresh, and it takes about a minute 
> to open. I only turn on guru or packman when I need to add something.
> 
> I'd like to use 10.2 but it breaks CrossOver Office, which I still need. 
> 

I use CO as well and have it working on my 10.2 system installed on my
laptop.

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[opensuse] Re: Active desktop borders in KDE (10.2) (SOLBED)

[Marius Roets]

On 1/2/07, Marius Roets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi everybody,
I always enable active desktop borders in KDE (gives the ability to
change desktops as if it were all one big one). In 10.2 there has been
a change in how this works however. When it is enabled, it now wraps
around (if I move the mouse out on the left side of the leftmost
desktop, it enters again on the rightmost desktop etc), which it never
used to do before.

Does anybody know of a way to disable this behaviour.

Thanks
Marius


Well, after some fooling around I managed to find the setting. It was
under Desktop->Window Behaviour , the "Focus" tab, the "Desktop
Navigation Wraps Around" setting.

Thanks
Marius
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Re: [opensuse] Smart failes to upgrade amarok

[Janne Karhunen]

On Monday 01 January 2007 21:55, Mark Goldstein wrote:

> I've installed smart (smart-0.49.1-40.guru.suse102) and almost
> immediately bumped into the following situation: it indicates that
> there is upgrade for amarok but fails to perform upgrade:

I have been wondering if package managers as we know them today
can never be proper solution to software installation. If people
are to use it, it needs to be better and easier than 'setup.exe'. 

Is it really possible to perfectly hide overly complex package 
dependencies with complex tools around it? It doesn't seem that
way yet. Package managers have been 'almost there' for a decade
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Re: [opensuse] alternate boot options for installations

[Felix Miata]

If you have a working grub, there are plenty ways to boot without a CD or 
floppy drive. Here are a few:

title Install SuSE Factory mirrors.kernel.org http
kernel (hd0,4)/boot/factinst/linux noapic 
install=http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/
 hostip=192.168.0.2 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.0.1
nameserver=207.69.188.185 splash=0 vga=normal
initrd (hd0,4)/boot/factinst/initrd

title Install SuSE Factory ftp.ale.org http
kernel (hd0,4)/boot/factinst/linux noapic 
install=http://ftp.ale.org/mirrors/opensuse/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/
 hostip=192.168.0.2 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.0.1
nameserver=207.22.166.2 splash=0 vga=normal
initrd (hd0,4)/boot/factinst/initrd

title Install SuSE 10.2 mirrors.kernel.org http
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/suseinst/linux 
install=http://mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/ 
hostip=192.168.0.2 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.0.1 
nameserver=207.69.188.185
splash=0 vga=normal
initrd (hd0,0)/boot/suseinst/initrd

title Install SuSE 10.2 HD DVD ISO
kernel (hd0,4)/suse102/linux noapic 
install=iso:/dev/hda23/openSUSE-10.2-GM-DVD-i386.iso hostip=192.168.0.2 
netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.0.1 nameserver=207.69.188.185 splash=0
acceleratedx=1  vga=0x120
initrd (hd0,4)/suse102/initrd

title Install SuSE 10.2 NFS DVD ISO
kernel (hd0,24)/boot/suse102/linux noapic 
install=nfs://192.168.0.65/isos/openSUSE-10.2-GM-DVD-i386.iso 
hostip=192.168.0.2 netmask=255.255.255.0 gateway=192.168.0.1 
nameserver=207.22.166.2
splash=0 vga=788
initrd (hd0,24)/boot/suse102/initrd

http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_without_CD
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Re: [opensuse] Smart failes to upgrade amarok

[Mark Goldstein]

On 1/2/07, Janne Karhunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Monday 01 January 2007 21:55, Mark Goldstein wrote:



I have been wondering if package managers as we know them today
can never be proper solution to software installation. If people
are to use it, it needs to be better and easier than 'setup.exe'.


Personally I do not like "setup.exe" style. First, I always disable
autoexec, because I hate when something starts working out of my
control. I do not like it because it's hard to know what it writes and
where to. Some installations are better and ask me what I want (well,
not always they do what I've chosen).

I prefer tool that can do stuff quickly and without too much user
intervention, but also allows user full control if she/he wants.


Is it really possible to perfectly hide overly complex package
dependencies with complex tools around it? It doesn't seem that
way yet. Package managers have been 'almost there' for a decade
now.


I was quite comfortable with primitive tools in Slackware (based on
classical tar/gz/bz2), but I also liked YaST before it was broken in
10.1.

I do not think it is possible to fully automate this process (there
will always be situations like that one).

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Re: [opensuse] alternate boot options for installations

[Carl Hartung]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 09:13, Felix Miata wrote:
> If you have a working grub, there are plenty ways to boot without a CD or
> floppy drive. Here are a few:

Now *that's* a keeper! I guess it pays to return every so often and review how 
the opensuse website has progressed. Thanks, Felix, and happy new year!

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[John E. Perry]

Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On Monday January 01 2007 3:17 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>> This is interesting. The FireFox I have installed is from SUSE, including
>>> their latest update. There ISN'T in my home dir a /home/xxx/firefox
>>> directory. There's a .firefox dir. with not much in it. Now, WHY is there
>>> so
>> [Are you sure about the .firefox dir because I don't think I have ever
>> seen one only the .mozilla directory?]
> 
> I worked yesterday over 12 hours, and was up for 20, then came home and tried 
> to find that file. "Deaf and dumb" in both eyesshould have just gone to 
> bed. ;) Now, if I can find the line again that needs to be put in there, I'll 
> be all set. :)

Well, don't feel too bad.  I have the .firefox directory in my home
directory right now, I believe because an older version of firefox put
it there, and it never got removed when I updated to a newer version.

I've looked into both, and know that firefox currently uses
.mozilla/firefox; the most recent entry in .firefox is 7/19/06
(libjavaplugin_oji.so), and many of the entries under .mozilla/firefox
are today (I just now started my session).

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Re: [opensuse] Speaking of Firefox...

[BandiPat]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 00:46, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> On Tuesday January 02 2007 12:08 am, Renegade Penguin wrote:
> > I've noticed that - several banks use the same back end and they
> > got upgraded recently, and if you don't have IE, it doesn't like
> > it.  This is very common with some US banking sites as of late
> > unfortunately.
>
> As an aside, have you tried Konq. at those sites, and if so, how'd it
> work?
>
> Fred


Actually, that's what I use for most things now Fred.  Kong seems to be 
falling into the "works with everything" category pretty well.  If not, 
I can spoof as Safari, which uses the same engine.  It's really pretty 
bad programming that any site checks for a browser anymore.  There are 
none available now that doesn't offer full security over and above IE!

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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Robert Lewis]

Ian Moore wrote:
> Hi,
> I've recently installed Suse10.2 on my new computer which has an Intel 
> DP965LT 
> motherboard. It has the ICH8 chipset and Suse detected & installed the Intel 
> HD-Audio driver (snd_hda_intel) for the soundcard, which works fine for 
> playback. However, only the Digital Line In is available as an input (I'm 
> running KDE and both it's mixer and Audacity only show Line Out & Digital 
> Line In).
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about enabling the analogue inputs?
>
> Cheers,
> Ian
>   
I have the same chipset in my laptop. Since 10.1 and maybe some update

on 10.2 (can't be sure) my microphone no longer works.  I also noticed that
sound output volume was quite low compared to XP.  I d/l the latest alsa
driver from the alsa site and the sound volume issue is now gone but I am
still left with no microphone.

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Re: [opensuse] Icons disappear in KDE when using Firefox

[Curtis Rey]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 04:39, Basil Chupin wrote:
> Curtis Rey wrote:
> > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 04:23, Basil Chupin wrote:
> >> Curtis Rey wrote:
> >>> Happy 2007 all! :D
> >>>
> >>> I haven't figured out why when I start Firefox the Icons on my desktop
> >>> (KDE 3.55) disappear.   For instance, if the browser opens in the right
> >>> corner position 0.0 and is say 1024x768 on a 1280x1024 then all the
> >>> Icons behind this space are gone - and therefore when I move the
> >>> browser window to see that indeed the icons behind have been blanked
> >>> the icons where I moved the window is now gone.  It's kinda like an
> >>> eraser.
> >>>
> >>> When I close Firefox then as soon as the browse is truly closed the
> >>> icons come back (theres a short period where the browser is gone and so
> >>> are the icone).
> >>>
> >>> Any help would be appreciated - likely a straight forward fix (at least
> >>> I'm hoping).
> >>>
> >>> TIA, Curtis.
> >>
> >> While I have never experienced this so cannot help but have to ask 2
> >> questions: (1) does this happen if you open another application and move
> >> it the way you move FF?; and (2) what happens if you open FF is full
> >> screen and then either use the 'restore' and the 'minimise' buttons?
> >
> > It only happens in FF.  If I set to full screen - F11 and back all that
> > happens is the desktop is void of icons - closing FF and they restore.
>
> Of course I tried all this on my 10.2 before asking you the Qs so all I
> can say that it isn't FF zapping the icons on you. Not much of a help I
> know but it does indicate that the answer lies not in FF.
>
> Didn't someone suggest a while back when confronted with a hassle in kde
> to delete the ./kde dir (after backing it up of course) in your /home
> and let it rebuild itself? But before doing this better wait for this to
> be confirmed and don't take my word for it :-) .

Zapped .kde yesterday (of course after "mv .kde kde-bkup" and moving 
kmail/kontact data back).  I have an old mozilla file that FF naturally used 
as well.  I'm thinking of zapping the moz/FF file (actually moving it) and 
seeing if that doesn't do the trick.

Cheers, Curtis.

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Re: [opensuse] Smart failes to upgrade amarok

[Janne Karhunen]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 16:16, Mark Goldstein wrote:

> > I have been wondering if package managers as we know them today
> > can never be proper solution to software installation. If people
> > are to use it, it needs to be better and easier than 'setup.exe'.
>
> Personally I do not like "setup.exe" style. First, I always disable
> autoexec, because I hate when something starts working out of my
> control.

For really experienced users they are the greatest thing since 
sliced bread. But for the rest, I'm not really sure. Given 
'setup.exe' approach, you download a file and click it. While
this can be made as such with package managers as well, there
still are way too many things that user has to know and/or 
that can break. In general, people that I've been slowly trying
to familiarize in Linux fail to install anything 95% of the
times for various of reasons. 



> I do not think it is possible to fully automate this process (there
> will always be situations like that one).

Windows doesn't always work either. That's not the issue here.


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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Randall R Schulz]

Ian,

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:40, Ian Moore wrote:
> Hi,
> I've recently installed Suse10.2 on my new computer which has an
> Intel DP965LT motherboard. It has the ICH8 chipset and Suse detected
> & installed the Intel HD-Audio driver (snd_hda_intel) for the
> soundcard, which works fine for playback. However, only the Digital
> Line In is available as an input (I'm running KDE and both it's mixer
> and Audacity only show Line Out & Digital Line In).
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about enabling the analogue
> inputs?

I have a system with that chipset and there's a BIOS option to choose 
legacy vs. HD audio. I set it to legacy and the analog audio output 
work as expected. I haven't tried connecting a microphone to that 
system.


> Cheers,
> Ian


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[opensuse] PCTEL 2304WT v.92 MDC Modem on Dell Laptop

[Felix Miata]

The sticker on the bottom says Latitude C510/C610, but in messing with
this thing (not mine, bought used by its current clueless owner) I've
also seen indications this might be a C640.

It was given to me to "fix" the modem under W2K, when his original
problem was a screwed up ISP with non-working phone numbers. He deleted
files for inexplicable reasons only he understands in typical clueless
fashion, causing the modem to be driverless.

I tried for a while to figure out how to install a good driver, but
without success, as it seemed the system was overwhelmed with junkware.
So I decided to start clean by repartitioning dual boot. First I
installed XP using a Dell OEM CD. That install went nicely, except if
failed to find a modem driver. I tried the driver on the M$ updates
site, but that didn't work. Then I used the Dell service tag number to
find one, and it gave me a selection of different modem possibilities. I
tried one or two of those without success, so proceeded to install 10.0
from the boxed DVD I bought.

10.0 install went nicely, and when done, the modem worked. So I tried
again with XP, and managed to find a driver that does work. Then I
decided he should have the latest SUSE, and did a clean HTTP install of
10.2. Now it has no modem under SUSE. :-(

lspci says the following about it:
00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev
02) (prog-if 00 [Generic])
Subsystem: PCTel Inc Dell Inspiron 2100 internal modem
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 5
I/O ports at d400 [disabled] [size=256]
I/O ports at dc00 [disabled] [size=128]

Why wasn't 10.2 smart enough to install a working modem driver? Is this
a proprietary software thing, a driver included on the boxed 10.0 DVD,
omitted from the free editions? Can this be easily fixed after adding
the packman & guru sources? Anyone using one of these laptops who can
provide a short course on getting the right driver installed?

TIA
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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Gustav Degreef]

On 1/2/07, Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

snip


 And if you like
yast2, use yast2 with the zypp backend.



Yes, that is what I'd like to do on 10.1


The latter actually being what we explain and recommend, here:
http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.2

And yes, the first section recommends and explains how to remove ZMD in
order to use the zypp backend.


Is it the same command for 10.1?


1) definitely remove ZMD, whatever you use, just remove ZMD


That's clear from your posts.


2) *recommended* using smart on 10.1 -- if you want to stick with yast2,
use the zypp backend


Once you remove ZMD, do you have to activate/enable zypp, or does it
just happen?  Are there any further steps?  Pascal, thanks for taking
the time to give very clear explanations.  Gustav
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Re: [opensuse] PCTEL 2304WT v.92 MDC Modem on Dell Laptop

[Martin Mielke]

Hi Felix,

the guys at Linuxant (http://www.linuxant.com/) have developed some drivers you 
could find useful for your Dell laptop (and some other Winmodems out there).

I used them for my Dell D610 and worked quite nice... well, not quite... you'll 
get a 14.4 Kbps limit for the free-ware drivers (which was OK for me). The 
pay-ware version should work at full speed... never tried, though.

HTH,
Martin



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From: Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2007 4:28:43 PM
Subject: [opensuse] PCTEL 2304WT v.92 MDC Modem on Dell Laptop


The sticker on the bottom says Latitude C510/C610, but in messing with
this thing (not mine, bought used by its current clueless owner) I've
also seen indications this might be a C640.

It was given to me to "fix" the modem under W2K, when his original
problem was a screwed up ISP with non-working phone numbers. He deleted
files for inexplicable reasons only he understands in typical clueless
fashion, causing the modem to be driverless.

I tried for a while to figure out how to install a good driver, but
without success, as it seemed the system was overwhelmed with junkware.
So I decided to start clean by repartitioning dual boot. First I
installed XP using a Dell OEM CD. That install went nicely, except if
failed to find a modem driver. I tried the driver on the M$ updates
site, but that didn't work. Then I used the Dell service tag number to
find one, and it gave me a selection of different modem possibilities. I
tried one or two of those without success, so proceeded to install 10.0
from the boxed DVD I bought.

10.0 install went nicely, and when done, the modem worked. So I tried
again with XP, and managed to find a driver that does work. Then I
decided he should have the latest SUSE, and did a clean HTTP install of
10.2. Now it has no modem under SUSE. :-(

lspci says the following about it:
00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev
02) (prog-if 00 [Generic])
Subsystem: PCTel Inc Dell Inspiron 2100 internal modem
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 5
I/O ports at d400 [disabled] [size=256]
I/O ports at dc00 [disabled] [size=128]

Why wasn't 10.2 smart enough to install a working modem driver? Is this
a proprietary software thing, a driver included on the boxed 10.0 DVD,
omitted from the free editions? Can this be easily fixed after adding
the packman & guru sources? Anyone using one of these laptops who can
provide a short course on getting the right driver installed?

TIA
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[opensuse] Keyboard layout problem

[c.tzoumakis]

Hello,

I've just installed suse linux 10.1. When I add a greek keyboard
it doesn't work at all. In the right bottom side of screen panel it
is displayed the indication 'err'. I used the kcontrol to add the keyboard.
Additionally I entered the command manually and I received the
next faults. Could you please help me ?

setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us -variant basic
Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property
Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc101' layout - 'us'
Error loading new keyboard description
suselinux:/home/chris # setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout gr -variant basic
Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property
Use defaults: rules - 'xorg' model - 'pc101' layout - 'us'
Error loading new keyboard description
suselinux:/home/chris #  


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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Tuesday 2007-01-02 at 12:56 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:

> Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > The Tuesday 2007-01-02 at 11:12 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
>  Firing that module takes half an hour or more in my system (10.1).
> >>> Definitely get rid of ZMD on 10.1
> >>> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources
> >>> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.1
> >
> > It doesn't explain there what removing ZMD would affect.
> 
> Your system will work better. Less resource scamming because ZMD is gone
> and the zypp backend works better anyway.
> 
> Using the ZMD backend involves syncing the repository metadata that is
> fetched by yast2 with the ZMD backend, for every repository.
> That means a lot of overhead as the metadata is most probably synced
> twice, which in turn is part of the reason the yast2 module takes half
> an hour or more to refresh repositories on your system.
> Even more so on 10.1.

The thing is, the paragraph (copied below) in the 
 link seemed to say to 
remove ZMD and use smart instead of Yast - it doesn't say that Yast will 
work fine or better without ZMD. Your explanation makes the thing clear, 
but the wiki is not.

| Sources here can either be added using YaST, or by using the rug
| command-line tool, or thirdly by using the excellent Smart package
| manager. Since there were problems with ZMD (of which rug is the
| command-line tool) we recommend that you use the Smart Package Manager,
| instead of YaST and rug.

However, as I intend to update to 10.2 when I have some time, perhaps I 
will refrain from removing zmd for the time being. I would prefer having a 
toggle in yast to choose repo type, perhaps.



> Actually you can still use yast2 as your package manager on 10.1, just
> remove ZMD and the yast2 ZMD backend as explained on the wiki page, and
> yast2 will fall back to the zypp backend.
> That one works fine, uses less resources, doesn't involve syncing.
> You'll just lose the zen-updater applet for the systray.

That's fine, I never use that applet. I don't like it. If I had users, I 
would remove it completely, I do not want users to be informed of things 
that are not their business.

> On 10.2 there's the opensuse-updater applet when using the zypp backend.
> 
>  It could use an rsync method instead of full download of the metadata.
> >>> Most servers don't provide rsync but only HTTP and/or FTP.
> >>> And it wouldn't help much anyway because when the metadata is generated
> >>> again, all the metadata files are modified. RPM-MD metadata files are
> >>> even gzipped, so it's very unlikely rsync's binary deltas would be a big
> >>> help to reduce the download size.
> >
> > The repodata directory of packman contains about 2.5 MB for 10.2 and more
> > than double for 10.1; yours is about 2 Mb. That's very noticiable for a
> > modem. If than could be reduced somehow, it would be very nice. For a
> > modem that means... seven minutes download. For an adsl at 100KB/S it's
> > under a minute, not important compared to the half an hour it takes
> > processing or who knows what.
> 
> Well, what can I say. If we could reduce it some way, we would have done
> it years ago. A magic spell won't reduce it from 2MB to 20kb.

I know, I know well, no, I don't, I met repos with 10.1, didn't know 
it was years old. If I had designed it I would have something to say, but 
as a bystander I can only grumble :-)

> http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2006/11/repository-stripping.html

Yes, I remember having reading this before.

> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2006-12/msg00033.html

Yes, I read that one at the time. Nothing to object as it is.

I can only think of using rsync - but, as you say, not all or even many 
servers allow it, so it is not viable - or splitting repodata into several 
files, in the hope that some of them might not change. Dunno. I can only 
grumble ;-)

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Re: [opensuse] PCTEL 2304WT v.92 MDC Modem on Dell Laptop

[Andreas]

Le mardi 2 janvier 2007 07:28, Felix Miata a écrit :
> lspci says the following about it:
> 00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev
> 02) (prog-if 00 [Generic])
>   Subsystem: PCTel Inc Dell Inspiron 2100 internal modem
>   Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 5
>   I/O ports at d400 [disabled] [size=256]
>   I/O ports at dc00 [disabled] [size=128]

There is a webpage about all kinds of winmodems:
http://132.68.73.235/linmodems/index.html#scanmodem
I have an old compaq pc with a pctel winmodem and eventually got it to work 
after identifying the modem and compiling a driver I found here: 
http://phep2.technion.ac.il/linmodems/packages/pctel/welcome.html

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Re: [opensuse] Changing users temp folder

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Tuesday 2007-01-02 at 23:14 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:

...

> OK, I've "un-preferenced" my Firefox back to its dreary basic self :-) and
> tested on a pdf file and I see what you mean by the pdf file going into /tmp
> when simply viewed by Acroread (but why one would view a pdf file and not save
> it on the spot but rather go thru the convoluted process of saving it LATER is
> beyond me - but I wont argue :-) ; 

Fingers are sometimes faster than the mind, you know ;-)

Dunno. Sometimes I do one way, others the other way. I'm not that 
consistent.

> seems to me it makes more sense to save it
> first and if you don't want it then delete it.).
> 
> Further, this file has been sitting in /tmp for some 22+ hours now and hasn't
> (quickly) disappeared as was suggested that it would.

I thought it would, but maybe not. Maybe it has to be purged by the /tmp 
system purge script, which by default deletes after 180 days.


> Also, as I mentioned, this pdf file - as everything FF "sees" on the 'net - is
> sitting in the FF Cache so there are actually 2 copies of this same pdf file
> sitting on the HD although the file name in the Cache is not the same.

What? :-O

Are you positive of that? Seems a bug to me. Why would they do it that 
way? Maybe the cache is the copy for FF, the other one is for the plugin. 
I've no idea.

> However, if you use konqueror and look inside the Cache, konqueror identifies
> all the files there by their type - ie, it identifies files as pdfs, HTMLs,
> gifs, jpgs, etc etc. so it was/is easy to find and copy the pdf file I was
> playing around whereever I wanted. And because I have made my Cache big
> (200MB) it will be for some days yet.

Yes, sometimes I look in there, using command line "file" to find a file 
that right-click refuses to download, like google map tiles ;-)

I knew that conqueror has that ability, just it didn't occur to me using 
it.

> 
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [opensuse] Tux Magazine - Bad News

[Lívio Cipriano]

 On 2 January 2007 00:31, Lee Ross wrote:  

>  Are there any other resources available that communicate at the Tux level?
>   I've searched on Google from time to time but found nothing close to Tux.

I red Tux a few times and I agree that must be very helpful for newbies.

When I started with Linux, I discover Linux Completed
"http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Complete-Loren-E-Redding/dp/078214036X/sr=1-6/qid=1167734230/ref=sr_1_6/104-2482286-8026335?ie=UTF8&s=books";.
 
Although an edition of 2001 and Red Hat oriented (what was natural), I still 
use it today.

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Re: [opensuse] Smart failes to upgrade amarok

[Mark Goldstein]

On 1/2/07, Mathias Homann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Am Montag, 1. Januar 2007 22:38 schrieb Pascal Bleser:

before you do, post the output of "rpm -qi libmad" here, ok?



Name: libmad   Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 0.15.1b   Vendor: (none)
Release : 2.0   Build Date: Mon Dec  4 03:10:54 2006
Install Date: Fri Dec 22 17:31:57 2006  Build Host: Messiah
Group   : System/Libraries  Source RPM:
libmad-0.15.1b-2.0.src.rpm
Size: 92356License: GPL
Signature   : (none)
Packager: Dominique Leuenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
URL : http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/
Summary : a high-quality MPEG audio decoder capable of 24-bit output
Description :
libMAD is  a high-quality MPEG audio decoder capable of 24-bit output.
Distribution: (none)


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[opensuse] modems

[Hans Krueger]

has anybody got 10.2 to work as a fax sever with an Lt modem ?
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Re: [opensuse] Smart failes to upgrade amarok

[Rajko M.]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 08:53, Janne Karhunen wrote:
>  While
> this can be made as such with package managers as well, there
> still are way too many things that user has to know and/or
> that can break.
 
The problem is that ends like in proprietary solutions with marketing 
department involved dictating every aspect of design, even technical part, 
adjusting everything to majority of users. 

Every human activity involves some learning, and using package manager is not 
really very sophisticated. If someone has problem with that, there is known 
solution that works even without click. Just put CD in drive and wait.  

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[opensuse] 10.2 Intallation issue

[ePortel PC Systems (Linux Support)]

Hello everybody
I just downloaded Open Suse 10.2 as a DVD .iso for X86 platform.  About 
halfway through the installation I get an error that reads "Xorg. 
x-11;-server" can not be found on media.  The install has been tried 3 
times with the same results.  I downloaded the .iso 3 times to enshure 
that it wasn't a download issue.
I did the burn on more than one burner and I check the check sum of the 
image after download, and it checks good.  HELP!
Has anybody else had this issue?  So far I haven't been able to install 
10.2

Thanks,
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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Istvan Gabor]

Hello all:

I've got also a question related to the DVD install source and 
opensuse 10.2 repository.
Fact:  The SUSE repository has more packages than the DVD 
(either downloadable iso or commercial double-layer).

So it is advisable to add the repository to the install sources 
beside the DVD or instead of the DVD.  But for me and I think 
for many others installing from the DVD is still much faster 
than from the net.
So how can I make sure that only those packages will be 
installed from the repository that don't exist on the DVD?

Thanks,
IG

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[jdd]

Pascal Bleser wrote:


Personally, I stick with smart because I like it better than yast2/zypp


and nobody prevent you from doing so, this is linux's choice :-)


Don't attend SLED/SLES marketing conferences, spend time with the people
who use openSUSE.
Since when is this [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?


here, _you_ are kidding. if Novell wants to make some 
choices, do you think we won't be impacted with them?


if Novell wants really to make zen they main product, I beg 
they will make also the zen-updater works, eventually 
revisiting it's specifications if necessary. In this respect 
it's good to have valuables remarks on this product. I never 
said to accept it without concern.



How is zen any "mainstream" ? It's broken and it is broken by design
because the integration architecture with yast is sick.


cure it (not you, of course, it's Novell's works)

I'm in no way Novell's (I was SuSE user before Novell know 
about it :-). I only think the main openSUSE sponsor wants 
to push a product and seems to be ready to spend money for 
that. I expect this to give results.


I don't think smart will gain users for openSUSE. What I 
like is Yast and I always liked the Yast package manager. I 
used Mandrake and didn't notice it to be faster than suse.


whatever system is underlying should not be a problem


anyway, my personal concern is nor zen but YaST. Is there where a YaST
smart module, situation would be entirely different, but is it to be any?


Ridiculous. Whatever your religious sales belief or your loyalty to
Novell's SLED marketing powerpoint slides are, using smart on 10.1 is
about having a package manager that *works*.


my yast package manager works nearly each day and it's 
default. It _was_ much too slow when 10.1 was released, but 
it's no more.



I know all the problems, this costed me one hour in a year... but why
not working to fix them inspite of forking?


Fork ZMD ? yast2 ? You gotta be kidding.
Vote to have the zypp-backend as default in yast2 for 10.3, that's what
we should do.


is that smart? or are you changing position?


Why isn't smart one of them ?


because you can (and did) write about smart on opensuse.org 
without any problem AFAIK, so why ask users to go on an 
other web site (YaOWS Yet an other Web Site ?)



If it wasn't for smart, at least half of the people who tried 10.1 would
have dropped SUSE and never look back.


your are kidding. of course if the first thing you do if 
making people changing for smart, all the people you know of 
use smart of go elsewhere :-)



And as *active*, committed community members who help lots of people to
use SUSE on IRC every single day, if we want to put a page about setting
up smart and recommend using smart on 10.1 because we saved lots of
people from the ZMD mess, then we just do so.


I also help a lot of people, but not on IRC. and if you want 
to have a "pascalbeseler.org" web site, it's your problem. I 
also have my own mediawiki, but I don't call it 
opensuse-community. I have also a fr.susewiki.org web site I 
stopped to work on opensuse.org as any body should do for 
the community, wherever possible...



Oh really. I wonder what makes you think you've got a better clue than
me wrt package managers, problems people ask for help on IRC and the
technical architecture of the ZMD backend in yast2.


may you are not the only suse user in the world. This is at 
all ridiculous. I think you are in a bad mood these days :-(




*gasp* I never "advertised it as being the only choice"


I quoted your own text :

"If it wasn't for smart, at least half of the people who 
tried 10.1 would

have dropped SUSE and never look back."

what is wrong with:
http://en.opensuse.org/Using_10.1#Package_Management

please, just consider what makes openSUSE different from all 
other distros. It's mainly YaST. What other specific package 
do you see (considering sax2 is part of yaST)?


so, I really think we first should work to make YaST better. 
Franckly, I don't see for now difference between patterns 
and the old YaST system (on a user point of view). I don't 
know really about zypp of zen. I was asked once: do you want 
to sync yast and zen a quoted "yes". I have no real problem 
with this.


so 10.1 works, even without smart, and I beg millions of 
people uses it that you will never see on IRC...


jdd


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Re: [opensuse] Smart failes to upgrade amarok

[Janne Karhunen]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 20:17, Rajko M. wrote:

> Every human activity involves some learning, and using package manager is
> not really very sophisticated.

It is, really. You need to know quite a bit - mainly which package
solves which problem. Videos do not play, browser plugins do not
work, etc. I'm amazed how things like this can be overlooked in a
system that is supposed to be desktop ready :/


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Re: [opensuse] Connecting PPTP VPN

[James Knott]

Khanh Tran wrote:

On 12/20/06, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm trying to set up a PPTP VPN to a customer's site, using SUSE 10.2,
however, I'm not having much luck making sense of how to do it.  Does
anyone have surefire instructions for doing this?

tnx jk


Use the instructions from the PPTP Client site:
http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-suse-100.phtml

Then, when you get down to the step about running pptpconfig as root,
install this RPM and dependencies beforehand:
http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/yum/stable/rhel4/i386/libglade-0.17-19.rhel4.i386.rpm 



-Khanh
I've installed the packages as described, but pptpconfig won't run.  I 
get the following error:


suse:~ # pptpconfig

Warning: dl(): Unable to load dynamic library 
'/usr/lib/php-pcntl/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20020429/php_gtk.so' 
- libglade.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
directory in /usr/bin/pptpconfig.php on line 31


Fatal error: Cannot instantiate non-existent class:  gdkcolor in 
/usr/bin/pptpconfig.php on line 96



According to find, that file exists:

suse:~ # find / -name php_gtk.so
/usr/lib/php-pcntl/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20020429/php_gtk.so

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

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The Tuesday 2007-01-02 at 19:50 +0100, Istvan Gabor wrote:

> So how can I make sure that only those packages will be 
> installed from the repository that don't exist on the DVD?

In 10.1 it depended on the order the repos were defined: those at the top 
were consulted first. However, if a newer version existed at a lower repo, 
that newer one would be used. There was a button to move each repo up or 
down.

You can manually change where each package will be installed from under 
the "versions" tab for each package.

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-01-02 12:50, Istvan Gabor wrote:
> 
> So how can I make sure that only those packages will be 
> installed from the repository that don't exist on the DVD?
>   
All the packages on the DVD are also on the repository, so you can't.
Even if you turn off the DVD in Yast/installation sources, those
packages will still show up from the repository information.


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Re: [opensuse] Hibernate on Lid-close - OpenSuSE 10.2

[Don Raboud]

On Tuesday 19 December 2006 21:38, Jay C Vollmer wrote:
> Hi everybody.
>
> Yesterday I installed OpenSuSE 10.2 on my ThinkPad T41 and am so far
> delighted by the improvements over 10.1.
>
> Anyway, can someone tell me what has happened to the switch in power
> management configuration which allows automatic hibernation on lid-close
> events?
>
> I can't seem to find where it's located, but I may simply be having one of
> my spells and can't see what's in front of me.
>
> If someone would be kind enough to tell me where the control for lid-close
> events is located.

The following link

Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Kenneth Schneider]

On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 13:49 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
> On 2007-01-02 12:50, Istvan Gabor wrote:
> > 
> > So how can I make sure that only those packages will be 
> > installed from the repository that don't exist on the DVD?
> >   
> All the packages on the DVD are also on the repository, so you can't.
> Even if you turn off the DVD in Yast/installation sources, those
> packages will still show up from the repository information.
> 

Asked another way, how can one make sure that duplicate packages are
taken off of the DVD instead of downloaded from the repo?

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Re: [opensuse] 10.2 Intallation issue

[James Knott]

ePortel PC Systems (Linux Support) wrote:

Hello everybody
I just downloaded Open Suse 10.2 as a DVD .iso for X86 platform.  
About halfway through the installation I get an error that reads 
"Xorg. x-11;-server" can not be found on media.  The install has been 
tried 3 times with the same results.  I downloaded the .iso 3 times to 
enshure that it wasn't a download issue.
I did the burn on more than one burner and I check the check sum of 
the image after download, and it checks good.  HELP!
Has anybody else had this issue?  So far I haven't been able to 
install 10.2

Thanks,
Chris
Did you do a media check after burning the disk?  You can do that during 
the install or on any working SUSE system.


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[opensuse] Re: Missing Trophy and vouchers

[Peter Nikolic]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 18:54, Challenge co ordinator wrote:
> Thanx for replyin Pete, but as I said in the text, this was about two
> months ago at club night.
> > bag with the prizes in   
> >
> > Pete .

Humm  .. now you come to mention it   eeerr  nope i know 
you said at one point i still have a trophy but not much else   ( gettin old 
thats my excuse)

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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-01-02 13:53, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
> 
>
> Asked another way, how can one make sure that duplicate packages are
> taken off of the DVD instead of downloaded from the repo?
>
>   
Carlos already answered this in his message just a few minutes before mine.

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[opensuse] qn about ZEN

[Dennis J. Tuchler]

What is the functional difference between ZEN and YAST when it comes to 
upgrading?


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Re: [opensuse] Can't find growisofs

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-01-01 13:27, James Knott wrote:
> FWIW, when I create a 4000 MB slice, K3B shows it as 3.9 GB and 482 MB
As we already know, sizes depend on whether you are a programmer, or
live in the real world:

4 GB = 4*1024 MB = 4096 MB, and 4000 MB = 4000/1024 GB = 3.906 GB


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[opensuse] Installing WordPerfect 8

[A. den Oudsten]

My trials to install WordPerfect 8 for Linux (from 1999) in OpenSuse 
10.2 did not succeed up to now.
Is it possible to start the machine with Knoppix 3.2 and than install WP 
in the map I intended?


Tia

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Re: [opensuse] Connecting PPTP VPN

[Herbert Graeber]

Am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2006 19:56 schrieb James Knott:
> I'm trying to set up a PPTP VPN to a customer's site, using SUSE 10.2,
> however, I'm not having much luck making sense of how to do it.  Does
> anyone have surefire instructions for doing this?

I have put a package for NetworkManager-pptp into the SUSE Build Service.
Have a look at

   http://software.opensuse.org/download/home:/hgraeber/

It integrates PPTP support into NetworkManager similar to the openvpn support 
already deliverd with the Distribution.

Give it a try.

Cheers
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [opensuse] Mail from FireFox.]

[Fred A. Miller]

On Tuesday January 02 2007 9:23 am, John E. Perry wrote:
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > On Monday January 01 2007 3:17 am, Basil Chupin wrote:
> >>> This is interesting. The FireFox I have installed is from SUSE,
> >>> including their latest update. There ISN'T in my home dir a
> >>> /home/xxx/firefox directory. There's a .firefox dir. with not much in
> >>> it. Now, WHY is there so
> >>
> >> [Are you sure about the .firefox dir because I don't think I have ever
> >> seen one only the .mozilla directory?]
> >
> > I worked yesterday over 12 hours, and was up for 20, then came home and
> > tried to find that file. "Deaf and dumb" in both eyesshould have just
> > gone to bed. ;) Now, if I can find the line again that needs to be put in
> > there, I'll be all set. :)
>
> Well, don't feel too bad.  I have the .firefox directory in my home
> directory right now, I believe because an older version of firefox put
> it there, and it never got removed when I updated to a newer version.
>
> I've looked into both, and know that firefox currently uses
> .mozilla/firefox; the most recent entry in .firefox is 7/19/06
> (libjavaplugin_oji.so), and many of the entries under .mozilla/firefox
> are today (I just now started my session).

Thanks John. I did the same thing to determin "what" was being used and "what" 
isn't. ;)

Fred

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Re: [opensuse] Getting rid of "Marching Penguins"

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-01-02 02:55, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
> 
> b)
> Namedropping is popular. I always see to that company logos etc., are 
> properly 
> displayed just about everywhere when I go to a first time demo of an 
> application or a desktop for a buyer. Having a logozied (new word :-)) setup 
> is a fine icebreaker. Even you could argue that it's ever so primitive, it 
> works.  I ALLWAYS see to that the first desktop background sports the company 
> logo. They don't say anything..., but they love it.
Some of them actually understand that you had to do some extra special
work to put their corporate logo in the splash screen. That is what they
appreciate. It means you are willing to do a little bit extra just for
them (of course, only one or two realize you did the same thing for
their competitors too :-) )

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Re: [opensuse] Speaking of Firefox...

[Fred A. Miller]

On Tuesday January 02 2007 9:35 am, BandiPat wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 00:46, Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > On Tuesday January 02 2007 12:08 am, Renegade Penguin wrote:
> > > I've noticed that - several banks use the same back end and they
> > > got upgraded recently, and if you don't have IE, it doesn't like
> > > it.  This is very common with some US banking sites as of late
> > > unfortunately.
> >
> > As an aside, have you tried Konq. at those sites, and if so, how'd it
> > work?
> >
> > Fred
>
> 
>
> Actually, that's what I use for most things now Fred.  Kong seems to be
> falling into the "works with everything" category pretty well.  If not,
> I can spoof as Safari, which uses the same engine.  It's really pretty
> bad programming that any site checks for a browser anymore.  There are
> none available now that doesn't offer full security over and above IE!

True, but there still are fools who are bound to MickySoft's apron strings as 
they're too lazy to learn anything else! Thus, they continue to screw up web 
sites.

Fred

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Missing Trophy and vouchers

[Peter Nikolic]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 20:46, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
> On 2007-01-02 14:11, Peter Nikolic wrote:
> > On Tuesday 02 January 2007 18:54, Challenge co ordinator wrote:
> >> Thanx for replyin Pete, but as I said in the text, this was about two
> >> months ago at club night.
> >>
> >>> bag with the prizes in   
> >>>
> >>> Pete .
> >
> > Humm  .. now you come to mention it   eeerr  nope i
> > know you said at one point i still have a trophy but not much else   (
> > gettin old thats my excuse)
> >
> > Pete .
>
> I have not seen your missing trophy here. ;-)
yep that one was not meant for the listit should have been filtered   Ho 
Hu ..

Cheers   





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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Pascal Bleser]

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jdd wrote:
> Pascal Bleser wrote:
>> Personally, I stick with smart because I like it better than yast2/zypp
> 
> and nobody prevent you from doing so, this is linux's choice :-)
> 
>> Don't attend SLED/SLES marketing conferences, spend time with the people
>> who use openSUSE.
>> Since when is this [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?
> 
> here, _you_ are kidding. if Novell wants to make some choices, do you
> think we won't be impacted with them ?

Of course we are. But it doesn't mean we can't object on it and push to
have a better solution on openSUSE.
They do what they want on SLES/SLED, but we do have a word to say about
openSUSE -- our opinion, at the very least.

> if Novell wants really to make zen they main product, I beg they will
> make also the zen-updater works, eventually revisiting it's
> specifications if necessary. In this respect it's good to have valuables
> remarks on this product. I never said to accept it without concern.

Note that the problem is really that it will never work fine with its
current architecture.
It's a level of abstraction no one needs _unless_ you buy ZenWorks
licenses and use it to manage your park of servers and/or workstations.
That's hardly the case for openSUSE users or if, at all, only a very
small percentage. It probably makes sense on SLED though.
And any level of abstraction is a potential source of issues.
In the case of ZMD, it uses a lot of memory, misbehaves as a process
(uses a lot of CPU, takes ages to "wake up", etc...) - well, I guess
almost everyone who used ZMD knows what I'm talking about.

>> How is zen any "mainstream" ? It's broken and it is broken by design
>> because the integration architecture with yast is sick.
> 
> cure it (not you, of course, it's Novell's works)

IMO the "cure" is simply the zypp backend.

> I'm in no way Novell's (I was SuSE user before Novell know about it :-).
> I only think the main openSUSE sponsor wants to push a product and seems
> to be ready to spend money for that. I expect this to give results.

I'm usually fine with that _unless_ it sucks from a technical point of
view. And ZMD does, definitely.

> I don't think smart will gain users for openSUSE. What I like is Yast
> and I always liked the Yast package manager. I used Mandrake and didn't
> notice it to be faster than suse.

smart already has a lot of users on openSUSE.

> whatever system is underlying should not be a problem

Sorry, that's wrong. What system is underlying is precisely the point.
The yast2 package manager UI is fine, has a lot of options, all nice and
well. It seriously lacks a good CLI interface though, something we had
with y2pmsh and installation_sources.

zypper (which directly builds upon zypp) is OK to add repositories
(zypper sa URL) but doesn't cut it to install packages because the UI is
really bare-bones -- at least atm. Hopefully more work will be put into
zypper to give us a first-class CLI frontend, like apt, smart or yum.

Using yast's ZMD backend and ZMD causes issues, so you can't say the
underlying system shouldn't be a problem.

>>> anyway, my personal concern is nor zen but YaST. Is there where a YaST
>>> smart module, situation would be entirely different, but is it to be
>>> any?
>>
>> Ridiculous. Whatever your religious sales belief or your loyalty to
>> Novell's SLED marketing powerpoint slides are, using smart on 10.1 is
>> about having a package manager that *works*.
> 
> my yast package manager works nearly each day and it's default. It _was_
> much too slow when 10.1 was released, but it's no more.

You probably never used apt or smart.

>>> I know all the problems, this costed me one hour in a year... but why
>>> not working to fix them inspite of forking?
>>
>> Fork ZMD ? yast2 ? You gotta be kidding.
>> Vote to have the zypp-backend as default in yast2 for 10.3, that's what
>> we should do.
> 
> is that smart? or are you changing position ?

If you don't even know the difference between zypp and smart, then I
really wonder why you are so vocal about your opinion here.

zypp is not smart:
http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp
http://en.opensuse.org/Understanding_zmd

And this is what I called "sick" in my previous post:
http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Package-management-in-code10.png

>> Why isn't smart one of them ?
> 
> because you can (and did) write about smart on opensuse.org without any
> problem AFAIK, so why ask users to go on an other web site (YaOWS Yet an
> other Web Site ?)

Because that wiki page explains how to add the Packman and Guru
repositories (in order to install full-fledged amarok, mplayer, etc...).
That part may not be posted on opensuse.org

>> If it wasn't for smart, at least half of the people who tried 10.1 would
>> have dropped SUSE and never look back.
> 
> your are kidding. of course if the first thing you do if making people
> changing for smart, all the people you know of use smart of go elsewhere
> :-)

You weren't on IRC when lots of people came whining abo

[opensuse] Xinerama + XGL | Full screen videos and windows are on both display [u]

[lala [c]]

Hi,

can anybody tell me if its possible to have full screen windows on one
display again? since i upgraded to 10.2 maximized windows or
fullscreen movies are drawn over both screens... thats not what it
should be i think ;)

cheers, and a happy new year to all ;)

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[opensuse] Problems with patterns

[Joseph Comfort]

IMHO, the patterns software management feature is far from satisfactory.
I tried it out on a recent 10.2 install, and then when I went back and
tried to customize my installation (adding and deleting rpms), I ran
into strange dependency problems.

For example, I invoked the 'Games' pattern but, wanting to have only a
few things such as pyson  and ksudoku, I removed the various board and
arcade games from the pattern listings.  When I hit 'accept', the
dependencies put the other stuff back in again.  I ended up deleting the
'Games' pattern which, fortunately, allowed the things I didn't want to
be deleted and the ones I wanted to be kept.  In other situations,
deleting a pattern also removed some files I wanted to keep -- and the
worst part was that it did not tell me in advance!  I have little/no
need for the enterprise volume system, but I am not allowed to remove
the rpm unless I also delete the 'Base' pattern, in which case I don't
know what havoc will be created.  The patterns feature ties up things
much too tightly, well beyond the actual dependency relationships, and
removes choice/freedom from Linux.  It is better to use 'groups' if you
want control tailored to your needs.

The absence of the import/export capability that was in 10.0 is also a
major problem.  It can take hours (per machine) to manually adjust an
installation to one's interests and space limitations, or to do a
reinstall of that configuration.  A 'critical' bugzilla has been up
since 10.1, with no evident action.  If the software manager can respond
to a mouse for rpm selection, what is so difficult about reading (or
writing) an ascii file and changing check marks?
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Re: [opensuse] SUSE repository

[Pascal Bleser]

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> On 1/2/07, Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And if you like yast2, use yast2 with the zypp backend.
> 
> Yes, that is what I'd like to do on 10.1
> 
>> The latter actually being what we explain and recommend, here:
>> http://opensuse-community.org/Package_Sources/10.2
>>
>> And yes, the first section recommends and explains how to remove ZMD in
>> order to use the zypp backend.
> 
> Is it the same command for 10.1?

Almost. On 10.1 you also have to remove the package "suseRegister"

>> 1) definitely remove ZMD, whatever you use, just remove ZMD
> 
> That's clear from your posts.
> 
>> 2) *recommended* using smart on 10.1 -- if you want to stick with yast2,
>> use the zypp backend
> 
> Once you remove ZMD, do you have to activate/enable zypp, or does it
> just happen?  Are there any further steps?  Pascal, thanks for taking
> the time to give very clear explanations.

AFAICR, it just happens.

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[opensuse] Interesting video finding.

[Fred A. Miller]

Now that I'm taking some time off, I started to look further into tweaking 
this box. One common problem was that I didn't care for a PERCEIVED slowness 
in my nVidia 16X performance, and of course because of well known continual 
driver problems blamed nVidia that I had to reduce the color depth to 16 so 
that DVDs would play without any "jerkyness".

Today I was checking out a lot of hardware settings and found that the second 
DVD drive, a non-writer, wasn't set properly by openSUSE. The writer's DMA 
setting was ultra133, but it was off for the 2nd drive. I set it for ultra133 
and then tested it ripping DVDs, etc., to see if it would do so 
accurately.no losss. It did.great!

Then I had the "wild" idea that just maybe with better transfer rates, I'd 
change the video setting back to 24 bit and see if the "jerky" display while 
playing a DVD returned. It didn't! So, if you have that problem, play around 
with the DMA settings on your DVD drive.

Fred

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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Ian Moore]

On Wednesday 03 January 2007 01:37, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> Ian,
>
> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:40, Ian Moore wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've recently installed Suse10.2 on my new computer which has an
> > Intel DP965LT motherboard. It has the ICH8 chipset and Suse detected
> > & installed the Intel HD-Audio driver (snd_hda_intel) for the
> > soundcard, which works fine for playback. However, only the Digital
> > Line In is available as an input (I'm running KDE and both it's mixer
> > and Audacity only show Line Out & Digital Line In).
> >
> > I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about enabling the analogue
> > inputs?
>
> I have a system with that chipset and there's a BIOS option to choose
> legacy vs. HD audio. I set it to legacy and the analog audio output
> work as expected. I haven't tried connecting a microphone to that
> system.

So does the microphone or Line In appear as a channel in the mixer on your 
laptop? What about a digital Line In?

I saw a post about the BIOS setting when I was looking for a solution, but my 
BIOS has no such setting (and I updated to the latest BIOS yesterday)

Cheers,
Ian
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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Ian Moore]

On Wednesday 03 January 2007 01:16, Robert Lewis wrote:
> Ian Moore wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've recently installed Suse10.2 on my new computer which has an Intel
> > DP965LT motherboard. It has the ICH8 chipset and Suse detected &
> > installed the Intel HD-Audio driver (snd_hda_intel) for the soundcard,
> > which works fine for playback. However, only the Digital Line In is
> > available as an input (I'm running KDE and both it's mixer and Audacity
> > only show Line Out & Digital Line In).
> >
> > I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about enabling the analogue inputs?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ian
>
> I have the same chipset in my laptop. Since 10.1 and maybe some update
>
> on 10.2 (can't be sure) my microphone no longer works.  I also noticed that
> sound output volume was quite low compared to XP.  I d/l the latest alsa
> driver from the alsa site and the sound volume issue is now gone but I am
> still left with no microphone.

Glad to know I'm not alone! Hopefully alsa/suse/intel will soon release a 
driver that provides a working analogue input.
I did notice the volume was much lower on this machine that it is on my old 
machine which runs FreeBSD, but I only have Suse on this new one, so I can't 
compare apples with apples.

Cheers,
Ian
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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Randall R Schulz]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:35, Ian Moore wrote:
> ...
> >
> > I have a system with that chipset and there's a BIOS option to
> > choose legacy vs. HD audio. I set it to legacy and the analog audio
> > output work as expected. I haven't tried connecting a microphone to
> > that system.
>
> So does the microphone or Line In appear as a channel in the mixer on
> your laptop? What about a digital Line In?

This isn't a laptop, it's a desktop board. There are 6 analog jacks and 
both an optical and a coaxial SPDIF connectors.

In KMix's Input tab there are 5 input sliders shown:

- Front Mic Boost
- Mic Boost
- Capture
- Capture
- Capture

The Output tab bears 17 sliders, including two pairs of Mic sliders 
(Front and main, each with a boost and level control). There is a 
digital IEC958 output slider, a few line input sliders, a CD slider and 
so on.

The label at the bottom right of the window is "HDA Intel".


Frankly, I don't understand all this stuff since my audio needs are 
quite simple. Apart from the fact that I like to use optical cable 
between my computers and my stereo, I don't do anything fancy with 
audio. (I prefer the optical audio connection 'cause I'm in an old 
building that doesn't have three-prong plugs and I've discovered 
there's quite a large voltage differential between the outlets where my 
computers are plugged in and the one where the TV and stereo are 
plugged in. That may be because there are two phases present within my 
apartment--there's an electric stove. At least with optical cable I 
don't have to worry about those big sparks I used to see and the shocks 
I occasionally felt!!)


> I saw a post about the BIOS setting when I was looking for a
> solution, but my BIOS has no such setting (and I updated to the
> latest BIOS yesterday)

Just a thought, but have you explored your BIOS settings thoroughly? I 
often find them confusingly organized and frequently have a hard time 
finding things I know are their 'cause I've used them before!


> Cheers,
> Ian


Randall Schulz
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RE: [opensuse] Changing users temp folder

[Greg Wallace]

On Tuesday, January 02, 2007 @ 1:39 AM, Jeffery Fernandez wrote:

>On Monday 01 January 2007 11:12, Mike Noble wrote:
>> On Sunday 31 December 2006 14:32, Jeffery Fernandez wrote:
>> > On Monday 01 January 2007 00:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> > > The Sunday 2006-12-31 at 13:38 +1100, Jeffery Fernandez wrote:
>> > > > > set the ENV variable to be:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > TMPDIR=~/tmp
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In looking at my env, it shows:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > TMPDIR=/tmp
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I have not tested it so YMMV.
>> > > >
>> > > > nope that doesn't work for me :(
>> > >
>> > > You should need to re-login after the change. Obviusly, you need to
do
>> > > that change in some file that is used by the login process.
>> >
>> > I tried changing the environment on shell and tested it and it didn't
>> > work. To change the environment on login, where (which file) do make
the
>> > environment change ?
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > Jeffery
>>
>> ~/.bashrc
>>
>> Mike

>Thanks, This works as expected :)

>cheers,
>Jeffery

Doesn't ~/.bashrc run every time you open a shell?  If you only need this to
run at login, I believe you would want to put that into ~/.profile.  I would
have sworn that I read recently that .profile no longer worked in 10.2, but
I was just informed by someone else in this thread that it still does work.
If so, I THINK that would be a better place to put this logic.

Greg Wallace


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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Robert Lewis]

Ian Moore wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 01:37, Randall R Schulz wrote:
>   
>> Ian,
>>
>> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:40, Ian Moore wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I've recently installed Suse10.2 on my new computer which has an
>>> Intel DP965LT motherboard. It has the ICH8 chipset and Suse detected
>>> & installed the Intel HD-Audio driver (snd_hda_intel) for the
>>> soundcard, which works fine for playback. However, only the Digital
>>> Line In is available as an input (I'm running KDE and both it's mixer
>>> and Audacity only show Line Out & Digital Line In).
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about enabling the analogue
>>> inputs?
>>>   
>> I have a system with that chipset and there's a BIOS option to choose
>> legacy vs. HD audio. I set it to legacy and the analog audio output
>> work as expected. I haven't tried connecting a microphone to that
>> system.
>> 
>
> So does the microphone or Line In appear as a channel in the mixer on your 
> laptop? What about a digital Line In?
>
> I saw a post about the BIOS setting when I was looking for a solution, but my 
> BIOS has no such setting (and I updated to the latest BIOS yesterday)
>
> Cheers,
> Ian
>   
Kmix shows both a line in and a MIC choice.  Really they are the same as
only
one input jack.

However, alsamixer shows the microphone but no growbar or control for it.
Card: HDA Intel
Chip: Conexant CXT5047

I highly supect that ALSA has a bug at this point as it worked fine with
10.1.
I am starting to get more serious about doing a bugreport on the ALSA site.

Cheers,
Bob
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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Adi Pircalabu]

Ian Moore wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 01:37, Randall R Schulz wrote:
>> Ian,
>>
>> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:40, Ian Moore wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I've recently installed Suse10.2 on my new computer which has an
>>> Intel DP965LT motherboard. It has the ICH8 chipset and Suse detected
>>> & installed the Intel HD-Audio driver (snd_hda_intel) for the
>>> soundcard, which works fine for playback. However, only the Digital
>>> Line In is available as an input (I'm running KDE and both it's mixer
>>> and Audacity only show Line Out & Digital Line In).
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about enabling the analogue
>>> inputs?

I'm not sure what is the problem here. Do you have problems with the
microphone? Does it work on your motherboard using 10.2?
What does "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*" say?
There are issues with snd_hda_intel and alsa, some chipsets are
troublesome. Read here:
https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2038
http://tinyurl.com/y3xby4

Basically you can get lucky playing with the codecs listed in
/usr/src/linux-2.6.18.2-34/Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt
I've got microphone working on Ubuntu after adding "options
snd_hda_intel model=ref" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and rebooting. On
Suse I guess it should go in /etc/modprobe.d/sound
Hope this helps

>> I have a system with that chipset and there's a BIOS option to choose
>> legacy vs. HD audio. I set it to legacy and the analog audio output
>> work as expected. I haven't tried connecting a microphone to that
>> system.
> 
> So does the microphone or Line In appear as a channel in the mixer on your 
> laptop? What about a digital Line In?

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Re: [opensuse] Getting rid of "Marching Penguins"

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Tuesday 2007-01-02 at 15:09 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

> > works.  I ALLWAYS see to that the first desktop background sports the 
> > company 
> > logo. They don't say anything..., but they love it.
> Some of them actually understand that you had to do some extra special
> work to put their corporate logo in the splash screen. That is what they
> appreciate. It means you are willing to do a little bit extra just for
> them (of course, only one or two realize you did the same thing for
> their competitors too :-) )

I hated when I had to code all those "little cosmetic changes". They took 
way longer to implement than all the previous coding. Well, I exagerate a 
bit, of course, but you get the idea...

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Re: [opensuse] Can't find growisofs

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Tuesday 2007-01-02 at 14:38 -0600, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

> On 2007-01-01 13:27, James Knott wrote:
> > FWIW, when I create a 4000 MB slice, K3B shows it as 3.9 GB and 482 MB
> As we already know, sizes depend on whether you are a programmer, or
> live in the real world:
> 
> 4 GB = 4*1024 MB = 4096 MB, and 4000 MB = 4000/1024 GB = 3.906 GB

Actually, no.

  4 GB = 4*1000 MB = 4000 MB and 4000 MB = 4000/1000 GB = 4.00 GB

And:

 4 GiB = 4*1024 MiB = 4096 MiB, and 4000 MiB = 4000/1024 GiB = 3.906 GiB


Programmers are using the wrong units: prefixes like mega or giga were 
invented way earlier than programmers were born; they (we) must change and 
use the new names (mebibyte).

The easiest reference I can find: :

|  The unit was defined by the International Electrotechnical Commission 
|  (IEC) in December 1998. Use of mebibyte and related units is strongly 
|  endorsed by IEEE and CIPM.

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Re: [opensuse] PCTEL 2304WT v.92 MDC Modem on Dell Laptop

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/01/02 10:28 (GMT-0500) Felix Miata apparently typed:

> The sticker on the bottom says Latitude C510/C610, but in messing with
> this thing (not mine, bought used by its current clueless owner) I've
> also seen indications this might be a C640.

> It was given to me to "fix" the modem under W2K, when his original
> problem was a screwed up ISP with non-working phone numbers. He deleted
> files for inexplicable reasons only he understands in typical clueless
> fashion, causing the modem to be driverless.

> I tried for a while to figure out how to install a good driver, but
> without success, as it seemed the system was overwhelmed with junkware.
> So I decided to start clean by repartitioning dual boot. First I
> installed XP using a Dell OEM CD. That install went nicely, except if
> failed to find a modem driver. I tried the driver on the M$ updates
> site, but that didn't work. Then I used the Dell service tag number to
> find one, and it gave me a selection of different modem possibilities. I
> tried one or two of those without success, so proceeded to install 10.0
> from the boxed DVD I bought.

> 10.0 install went nicely, and when done, the modem worked. So I tried
> again with XP, and managed to find a driver that does work. Then I
> decided he should have the latest SUSE, and did a clean HTTP install of
> 10.2. Now it has no modem under SUSE. :-(

> lspci says the following about it:
> 00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller (rev
> 02) (prog-if 00 [Generic])
>   Subsystem: PCTel Inc Dell Inspiron 2100 internal modem
>   Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 5
>   I/O ports at d400 [disabled] [size=256]
>   I/O ports at dc00 [disabled] [size=128]

> Why wasn't 10.2 smart enough to install a working modem driver? Is this
> a proprietary software thing, a driver included on the boxed 10.0 DVD,
> omitted from the free editions? Can this be easily fixed after adding
> the packman & guru sources? Anyone using one of these laptops who can
> provide a short course on getting the right driver installed?

I did another fresh 10.2 install, but this time from the boxed DVD. No
change in results. Also I can't figure out what tool is supposedly
provided for diagnosing proper modem function. KInternet is definitely
no prize application either. This is really the pits considering 10.0
worked fine right out of the gate. :-(
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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Ian Moore]

On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:26, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 14:35, Ian Moore wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > > I have a system with that chipset and there's a BIOS option to
> > > choose legacy vs. HD audio. I set it to legacy and the analog audio
> > > output work as expected. I haven't tried connecting a microphone to
> > > that system.
> >
> > So does the microphone or Line In appear as a channel in the mixer on
> > your laptop? What about a digital Line In?
>
> This isn't a laptop, it's a desktop board. There are 6 analog jacks and
> both an optical and a coaxial SPDIF connectors.
>
> In KMix's Input tab there are 5 input sliders shown:
>
> - Front Mic Boost
> - Mic Boost
> - Capture
> - Capture
> - Capture
>
> The Output tab bears 17 sliders, including two pairs of Mic sliders
> (Front and main, each with a boost and level control). There is a
> digital IEC958 output slider, a few line input sliders, a CD slider and
> so on.
>
> The label at the bottom right of the window is "HDA Intel".

So your system does have the inputs - perhaps it's a different chipset?
>
>
> Frankly, I don't understand all this stuff since my audio needs are
> quite simple. Apart from the fact that I like to use optical cable
> between my computers and my stereo, I don't do anything fancy with
> audio. (I prefer the optical audio connection 'cause I'm in an old
> building that doesn't have three-prong plugs and I've discovered
> there's quite a large voltage differential between the outlets where my
> computers are plugged in and the one where the TV and stereo are
> plugged in. That may be because there are two phases present within my
> apartment--there's an electric stove. At least with optical cable I
> don't have to worry about those big sparks I used to see and the shocks
> I occasionally felt!!)

I've always found it rather amusing that US and European mains plugs either 
don't have any earth or it's removable - in Australia we only have 3 pin 
plugs and as far as I can tell, we always have had them.

> > I saw a post about the BIOS setting when I was looking for a
> > solution, but my BIOS has no such setting (and I updated to the
> > latest BIOS yesterday)
>
> Just a thought, but have you explored your BIOS settings thoroughly? I
> often find them confusingly organized and frequently have a hard time
> finding things I know are their 'cause I've used them before!

Well, I've been through every page of the settings, but I know what you 
mean ... I'll try again just in case.

Cheers,
Ian
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[opensuse] DNS not responding through firewall

[James D. Parra]

Hello,

I set up DNS to on Suse 9.3 and it is not responding to requests coming
through the firewall (Mikrotik). Everything else is coming through the
firewall, mail, ftp, web, .etc., so its not the firewall. I can get DNS
requests to respond from the server from the local LAN, but not externally.
The firewall is off on the DNS server.

Any suggestions?

Thank you,

James 
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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Ian Moore]

On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:44, Adi Pircalabu wrote:
> To:
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>   CC:
> opensuse@opensuse.org
>   Date:
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> FORGED_RCVD_HELO, MY_LINUX, MY_SUSE  
>
> Ian Moore wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 January 2007 01:37, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> >> Ian,
> >>
> >> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 05:40, Ian Moore wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I've recently installed Suse10.2 on my new computer which has an
> >>> Intel DP965LT motherboard. It has the ICH8 chipset and Suse detected
> >>> & installed the Intel HD-Audio driver (snd_hda_intel) for the
> >>> soundcard, which works fine for playback. However, only the Digital
> >>> Line In is available as an input (I'm running KDE and both it's mixer
> >>> and Audacity only show Line Out & Digital Line In).
> >>>
> >>> I'm wondering if anyone has any ideas about enabling the analogue
> >>> inputs?
>
> I'm not sure what is the problem here. Do you have problems with the
> microphone? 
I'm not using a microphone, I wan tto use the Analogue Line In, butthe only 
input channel that appears in kmix and Audacity (running either in KDE or 
TWM) is the Digital1 input and I don't have any digital devices to use with 
it.

> Does it work on your motherboard using 10.2? 
I am using 10.2 !
> What does "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*" say?
Lots :-) :
Codec: SigmaTel STAC9227
Address: 2
Vendor Id: 0x83847618
Subsystem Id: 0x80862111
Revision Id: 0x100201
Default PCM: rates 0x7e0, bits 0x0e, types 0x1
Default Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x0e, stepsize=0x05, mute=0
Default Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x7f, nsteps=0x7f, stepsize=0x02, mute=1
Node 0x02 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out
  Amp-Out caps: N/A
  Amp-Out vals:  [0x6c 0x6c]
  Power: 0x0
Node 0x03 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out
  Amp-Out caps: N/A
  Amp-Out vals:  [0xff 0xff]
  Power: 0x0
Node 0x04 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out
  Amp-Out caps: N/A
  Amp-Out vals:  [0xff 0xff]
  Power: 0x0
Node 0x05 [Audio Output] wcaps 0xd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out
  Amp-Out caps: N/A
  Amp-Out vals:  [0xff 0xff]
  Power: 0x0
Node 0x06 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xfd0c05: Stereo Amp-Out
  Amp-Out caps: N/A
  Amp-Out vals:  [0xff 0xff]
  Power: 0x0
Node 0x07 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x1d0541: Stereo
  Power: 0x0
  Connection: 1
 0x1b
Node 0x08 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x1d0541: Stereo
  Power: 0x0
  Connection: 1
 0x1c
Node 0x09 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x1d0541: Stereo
  Power: 0x0
  Connection: 1
 0x1d
Node 0x0a [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo
  Pincap 0x08173f: IN OUT HP Detect
  Pin Default 0x0221421f: [Jack] HP Out at Ext Front
Conn = 1/8, Color = Green
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Connection: 2
 0x02* 0x03
Node 0x0b [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo
  Pincap 0x08173f: IN OUT HP Detect
  Pin Default 0x01a19023: [Jack] Mic at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Pink
  Pin-ctls: 0x24: IN
  Connection: 2
 0x02* 0x03
Node 0x0c [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo
  Pincap 0x081737: IN OUT Detect
  Pin Default 0x01813221: [Jack] Line In at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Blue
  Pin-ctls: 0x20: IN
  Connection: 1
 0x03
Node 0x0d [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo
  Pincap 0x08173f: IN OUT HP Detect
  Pin Default 0x01114210: [Jack] Speaker at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Green
  Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT
  Connection: 1
 0x02
Node 0x0e [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo
  Pincap 0x081737: IN OUT Detect
  Pin Default 0x40f0f0f0: [N/A] Other at Ext N/A
Conn = Unknown, Color = Other
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Connection: 1
 0x04
Node 0x0f [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo
  Pincap 0x081737: IN OUT Detect
  Pin Default 0x40f0f0f1: [N/A] Other at Ext N/A
Conn = Unknown, Color = Other
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Connection: 1
 0x05
Node 0x10 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo
  Pincap 0x0837: IN OUT Detect
  Pin Default 0x40f0f0f2: [N/A] Other at Ext N/A
Conn = Unknown, Color = Other
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Connection: 1
 0x04
Node 0x11 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400181: Stereo
  Pincap 0x0837: IN OUT Detect
  Pin Default 0x40f0f0f3: [N/A] Other at Ext N/A
Conn = Unknown, Color = Other
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
  Connection: 1
 0x03
Node 0x12 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x41: Stereo
  Pincap 0x0820: IN
  Pin Default 0x503301f0: [N/A] CD at Int N/A
Conn = ATAPI, Color = Unknown
  Pin-ctls: 0x00:
Node 0x13 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf1: Stereo
Node 0x14 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf1: Stereo
Node 0x15 [Audio Selector] wcaps 0x30010d: Stereo Amp-Out
  Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x04, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
  Amp-Out vals:  [0x00 0x00]
  Connection: 9
 0x0e* 0x12 0x0f 0x0b 0x0c 0x0d 0x0a 0x10 0x11
Node 0x16 [Audio Selector] wcaps 0x30010d: Stereo Amp-Out
  Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x04, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
  Amp-Out vals:  [0x00 0x00]
  Connection: 9
 0x0e* 0x12 0x0f 0x0b 0x0c 0x0d 0x0a 0x10 0x11
Node 0

[opensuse] Xorgx-11-server Not found during installation...WHY?

[Chris (ePortel PC Systems)]

Hello everybody
I just downloaded Open Suse 10.2 as a DVD .iso for X86 platform.  About 
halfway through the installation I get an error that reads "Xorg. 
x-11;-server" can not be found on media.  The install has been tried 3 
times with the same results.  I downloaded the .iso 3 times to enshure 
that it wasn't a download issue.
I did the burn on more than one burner and I check the check sum of the 
image after download, and it checks good.  HELP!
Has anybody else had this issue?  So far I haven't been able to install 
10.2

Thanks,
Chris
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Re: [opensuse] DNS not responding through firewall

[Jonathan Horne]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 17:43, James D. Parra wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I set up DNS to on Suse 9.3 and it is not responding to requests coming
> through the firewall (Mikrotik). Everything else is coming through the
> firewall, mail, ftp, web, .etc., so its not the firewall. I can get DNS
> requests to respond from the server from the local LAN, but not externally.
> The firewall is off on the DNS server.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you,
>
> James

did you forward the port to the dns server from the net?  53?  make sure its 
UDP, not TCP.

hth,
jonathan
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RE: [opensuse] DNS not responding through firewall

[James D. Parra]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 17:43, James D. Parra wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I set up DNS to on Suse 9.3 and it is not responding to requests coming
> through the firewall (Mikrotik). Everything else is coming through the
> firewall, mail, ftp, web, .etc., so its not the firewall. I can get DNS
> requests to respond from the server from the local LAN, but not
externally.
> The firewall is off on the DNS server.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you,
>
> James

did you forward the port to the dns server from the net?  53?  make sure its

UDP, not TCP.
~~~

Jonathan, you are the greatest. UDP, UDP!

Many thanks & I hope you had great new year.  It all works.

~James
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Re: [opensuse] Changing users temp folder

[Randall R Schulz]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 15:00, Greg Wallace wrote:
> ...
>
> Doesn't ~/.bashrc run every time you open a shell?

The commands contained in ~/.bashrc are executed for every shell invoked 
unless the "--norc" option is specified. That's true not only for 
interactive shells but also for shells launched to execute scripts, 
which is why all my scripts use this shebang line:

!#/bin/bash --norc


If you don't do this, you really don't know what aliases, variables and 
shell procedures are defined when your script runs, since the .bashrc 
read is that of the invoking user.


> ...
>
> Greg Wallace


Randall Schulz
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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Randall R Schulz]

Ian,

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 15:42, Ian Moore wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:26, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > ...
> >
> > The label at the bottom right of the window is "HDA Intel".
>
> So your system does have the inputs - perhaps it's a different
> chipset?

Well, the system incorporates an ICH8R. Does KMix give a different name 
on your system?

As I said, I set the BIOS to enable legacy audio. According to the 
manual, that puts in in AC'97 mode. But now that I read the manual 
again, this pertains only to the "front panel" audio connectors, which 
I don't recall even hooking up when I assembled this sytem. I connected 
the rear panel audio (the one I described previously) to my KVM (which 
has audio switching, too).

The BIOS display has these controls in a section labelled "Win627EHF 
Super IO Chipset". Perhaps that isn't the same as yours?

> Cheers,
> Ian


RRS
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Re: [opensuse] No analogue inputs with Intel HD Audio ( ICH8 ) on 10.2

[Ian Moore]

On Wednesday 03 January 2007 11:12, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> Ian,
>
> On Tuesday 02 January 2007 15:42, Ian Moore wrote:
> > On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:26, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > The label at the bottom right of the window is "HDA Intel".
> >
> > So your system does have the inputs - perhaps it's a different
> > chipset?
>
> Well, the system incorporates an ICH8R. Does KMix give a different name
> on your system?

Mine shows up as a SigmaTel STAC9227

> As I said, I set the BIOS to enable legacy audio. According to the
> manual, that puts in in AC'97 mode. But now that I read the manual
> again, this pertains only to the "front panel" audio connectors, which
> I don't recall even hooking up when I assembled this sytem. I connected
> the rear panel audio (the one I described previously) to my KVM (which
> has audio switching, too).
>
> The BIOS display has these controls in a section labelled "Win627EHF
> Super IO Chipset". Perhaps that isn't the same as yours?

Nothing like that in mine - the only thing I can find is a setting to 
enable/disable on-board sound.

I've tried running alsamixer, but just get:
alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument

So something ain't right!

 Cheers,
Ian

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Re: [opensuse] Getting rid of "Marching Penguins"

[Doug McGarrett]

On Tuesday 02 January 2007 06:30, Michael Nelson wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 01:32:31PM -0500, BandiPat wrote:
> > Copy and paste from the email Mike, they both still work as James
> > mentioned.
>
> I had done that, but in both cases had neglected to include the leading
> "=". I tried it again just now and yep, it does work.
>
> Michael
>
> --
> If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is
> "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to
> tell him is "Probably because of something you did."
>
> San Francisco, CA

I think this is terrible.  To make a small child think that God is crying
because of some small "sin" that the child may have committed is 
unconscionable. The child would have to be pretty small to accept something 
like this, and would certainly not be of an age to be responsible for sins, 
which the Church seems to accept as being about 7 years of age. Such
a thing would very likely turn the child off from religion altogether, if he
should remember it when older.   

--Doug, Lector, St. Anthony of Padua Church, Rocky Point, New York  


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