Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
Hello, On Mar 7 10:46 JP Rosevear wrote (shortened): On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 16:39 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: On Mar 7 10:30 JP Rosevear wrote (shortened): On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 10:58 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: Your info is too terse for me. I still do not understand the end-user's situation. Please do not misunderstand me - I don't want to do nitpicking. But I need to understand the whole picture from the end-user's point of view - otherwise whatever nice-looking implementation may not solve the actual end-user problem. The situtation is the end user doesn't want to type in a password to do simple operations. Frommy point of viwe it seems from mail to mail you change the issue (it started with USB printers, became network printers, now it is about typing passwords) and it seems you still don't tell the whole story. No, the user should not need root to include any printers, I just didn't explicitly call out network printers to begin with and I should have. You mix up many different things is your requests that I don't know what you actually want. I asked you several times to provide more info about the original problem and the user situation but all I get are terse snippets which are useless at least for me. You talk about USB printers and home users and about printing in big networks with hundreds of printers (obviously now a business environment) where dedicated admins exist and full automated setup of printers (in the network?) and not being root to set up printing (in the network?) and whatever else may come into mind when talking about the printing stuff. Please be 100% exact with your wording - at least try to be as exact as you can! I had it in the past so often that discussions get lost in a mess of non-exact words like the ancient http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confusion_of_tongues For example no need to be root to do something is different to not type in a password. If there is a policy in cupsd.conf which allows the normal user johndoe to do any printer setup, then the cupsd does authentication (i.e. it asks for the password of johndoe): johndoe$ /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p test -v parallel:/dev/lp0 -E Password for johndoe on localhost? [johndoe must type in his password] As far as I know this is because for the cupsd there is just a IPP request comming in (the lpadmin command can work from any host to any host in the network) and the cupsd must make sure that it is really johndoe who sent this IPP request. On the other hand I wonder why cupsd doesn't need to do the same kind of explicite authentication for root on localhost. I will ask on the CUPS mailing list why cupsd does explicite authentication for normal users on localhost. Why do you want to implement Windows-stlye printing when we use CUPS on Linux? Because its what most users expect and want, even many linux ones. I am afraid but it seems now we are at a dead end. Why exactly are we at a dead end? We agreed in the dist meeting not needing root to configure a printer was a valid use case. We are at a dead end when you want to pervert how printing is done under Unix/Linux operating sytems (for CUPS and even for the old-stlye Unix/Linux printing systems like LPR and LPRng) into how printing is done under Windows (and iPrint). Because you wrote most users expect and want this, it means you want to do Windows-stlye printing by default. This is the dead end. Again: Please be exact with your wording! do Windows-stlye printing is different to no need to be root to do something (which is different to not type in a password). Of course when the Linux system is in a Windows-only environment (or in an iPrint environment) then the Linux system must do Windows-stlye printing but this is different to do Windows-stlye printing by default. Compare http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell Intrinsic design of CUPS for printing in the network - the queues of the server are available directly on the client. ... * no local queues on clients and * no changes in the default settings for cupsd on clients. - with http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Printing_via_SMB_%28Samba%29_Share_or_Windows_Share Background Information -- The SMB host does not convert the print data from the applications (e.g., PostScript) to printer-specific data. Therefore, the filtering must take place on the Linux host, which requires a complete print system on the Linux host. A queue with filtering must be set up on the Linux host. -- For iPrint it is the same as for SMB. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug Day/s Lets Get it going.
Il giorno mer, 07/03/2007 alle 13.50 -0700, Ted Bullock ha scritto: Alberto Passalacqua wrote: I disagree with this, I think that a bug review should be scheduled as soon as reasonable. While your statements about it being too early are true for the bugs listed against the 10.3 release, the bugs listed against the older releases should really be addressed as quickly as possible so that they stand a chance of making it into the 10.3 at all. If you wait too long on this, they will skip yet another release cycle. I think that the early alpha time frame is ideal to review bugs against the older releases otherwise fixing them might introduce too much churn to be included after a feature freeze. Thoughts? First we should understand if these bugs are suse-specific or are present in the upstream code. And, if so, we should verify if they have been already solved there. With kind regards, Alberto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Network Printing Problem @ Johannes Meixner...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, What about a real problem, in a real situation? ( i recall sending you this at [EMAIL PROTECTED] , but never got any response, must have been caught in the 'spamshredder'..) Hi JSM, We met in Resolved Bug #250113 , and in opensuse mailing. As the expert you are, i have a question , that will most likely be very simple to you, (i hope), so you might want to answer it, end solve my little problem? Here it is: (sent to cups mailing list, some time ago, but never answered..) Hello interrested members of this list, (and hopefully one expert among you, who is willing share the solution.;-) I have one printer, connected to lpt#1, (local) which is shared in the network. The machine, an IBM PIV 1.8Ghz, is one part productionmachine: XP, shares printer to all windows, and linux clients, + is Dual boot SuSE 10.3 testingmachine. The printer must be able to print at all times. If the productionmachine (XP) is on, no problem to find the printer, and use it, Windows easy, Linux bij using the ip adress for the printer. But, when SuSE103 is on, the one printer is seen as the networkprinter, AND as the local printer, so 2 printers are listed, and either one of them is useable. When i want to use the local one, this is 'forbidden' by cups (localhost:631), When i want to use the network printer, it is paused... So no printing can be done when testing SuSE103... We talk about 'one' EPSON Stylus C64 Photoedition, using CUPS+Gutenprint v5.0.0, for Lin2Win, and if possible for Lin2Lin. How can i solve this? (is it solvable?) (unfortunately this model cannot work with a printserver, if so, there would be no problem at all..) This is an 'actual' and 'real', 'existing' problem, which i would realy have to be solved. The catch is in this: # Host name of the SMB host (always needed) Because for the: The printer share is identified by unique names in the network: Which part will be recognised: The OS, or netbios name? Q: What will happen if the netbios name is the same in both OS's? (there can be only one OS up at the time...) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFF79yNX5/X5X6LpDgRAvH4AKDZivxtDDoWQGP7/sk7xJBQejJrDgCVFZfQ o3Fk3z9pZBLdn9KSiNK4sg== =iCvL -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
Hello, On Mar 7 10:52 Robert Love wrote (shortened): The use case is that a standard use should (optionally) be able to manage his printers without requiring the administrator. The optionally is the crucial word here! The system admin (i.e. the person who set up the system) can of course delegate his permissions and set up appropriate stuff in cupsd.conf so that whatever users on whatever hosts are allowed to do whatever the system admin likes, see my mail dated 6 Mar 2007. The crucial point is that it is under the system admin's control who is allowed to do what and that the system admin is aware of the consequences, for example http://www.cups.org/str.php?L790 --- the CUPS admin user can copy this way any printout to any place he likes (e.g. send it via mail to any external address ... --- If any user could change any print queue, any user could copy any printout. Note the copy which means that it is also correctly printed on the printer so that an innocent other user would not notice that his printout was copied. I assume this is not what we want to have by default to make our customers happy in big networks with hundreds of printers ;-) Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug Day/s Lets Get it going.
Den Wednesday 07 March 2007 21:50:52 skrev Ted Bullock: I think that a bug review should be scheduled as soon as reasonable. While your statements about it being too early are true for the bugs listed against the 10.3 release, the bugs listed against the older releases should really be addressed as quickly as possible so that they stand a chance of making it into the 10.3 at all. If you wait too long on this, they will skip yet another release cycle. I think that the early alpha time frame is ideal to review bugs against the older releases otherwise fixing them might introduce too much churn to be included after a feature freeze. I agree. A bugday relatively soon could be useful and good fun. It seems the devs need help with getting around the ~1200 bugs open for 10.2. Though I realize that everybody is busy working on the service pack. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
There's been talk about improving boot speed and stopping unnecessary services from running by default. I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: There's been talk about improving boot speed and stopping unnecessary services from running by default. I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. I definitely want postfix and sshd on all macines I install :-) With AppArmor, I'm not sure. -- Regards, Andreas Vetter - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Il giorno gio, 08/03/2007 alle 11.19 +0100, Martin Schlander ha scritto: There's been talk about improving boot speed and stopping unnecessary services from running by default. I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. Maybe an idea is to add a list of not essential services at install time, where the user can decide to disable them. Something like: Services started at boot AppArmor Security Tool - Disable AppArmor Mail server - Disable postfix SSH Daemon (remote connection) - Disable sshd and so on. Regards, Alberto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 11:27:10AM +0100, Andreas Vetter wrote: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: There's been talk about improving boot speed and stopping unnecessary services from running by default. I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. I definitely want postfix and sshd on all macines I install :-) With AppArmor, I'm not sure. AppArmor has no running daemon (it uses auditd for logging), it is mostly a kernel module. Ciao, Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Network Printing Problem @ Johannes Meixner...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 M9. schreef: Hi, What about a real problem, in a real situation? ( i recall sending you this at [EMAIL PROTECTED] , but never got any response, must have been caught in the 'spamshredder'..) Hi JSM, We met in Resolved Bug #250113 , and in opensuse mailing. This bugnumber is incorrect should be Bug #250213 - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF7+o6X5/X5X6LpDgRAo5bAJ9EcJurlBJ6B9hV8ANIAIWhtPoHZQCfc+Tp +b4JJ1bi097qIhm6S+KVPgM= =NcLi -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Thursday 08 March 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. I don't know why postfix is needed on most machines, but sshd is useful to help remotely people that are beginners. But maybe its enough if its installed by default as it is relatively easy to turn it on in YaST. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org pgpnJO9r1aBia.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Thursday 08 March 2007 05:29, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: Il giorno gio, 08/03/2007 alle 11.19 +0100, Martin Schlander ha scritto: There's been talk about improving boot speed and stopping unnecessary services from running by default. I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. Maybe an idea is to add a list of not essential services at install time, where the user can decide to disable them. Something like: Services started at boot AppArmor Security Tool - Disable AppArmor Mail server - Disable postfix SSH Daemon (remote connection) - Disable sshd and so on. Regards, Alberto I have said many times in many forums that I thought that there needs to be an effort to reduce the kitchen sink approach of SuSE\OpenSuSE , it is starting to appear with build patterns but needs more work .i.e. detailed view in the installer for advanced\expert users to add those services they expressly need. I hope that the Devs see this as a good thing too! OpenSuse is the best , but it doesn't need to keep installing multiples of everything, i.e. Krita and Gimp , for someone who wants just to check e-mail. lighter, faster and less complicated has been my chant for three years. I am still waiting for http://en.opensuse.org/SLICK to come into being. I too have a box of P 1 laptops going into the trash bin. they make great thin clients so i still use them but time is running out because they need a wire for that job. If the education environments of the world are to have cheap computers they are going to have small HD's and limited ram so working to reduce the installation minimum is of high priority. FXRSLiberty JT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Bug Day/s Lets Get it going.
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 20:50:52 you wrote: Alberto Passalacqua wrote: Il giorno dom, 04/03/2007 alle 13.18 +, Francis Giannaros ha scritto: Just a note that I don't necessarily think that the Bug triage day(s) should happen just yet -- I think the ideal time is just a couple or so months before release, where changes can still be made, but there's feature freeze etc. That would be the most productive time for it, I believe. Yes! I agree on this. Doing them now is premature in my opinion because too many changes and features still have to be introduced. Regards, Alberto I disagree with this, I think that a bug review should be scheduled as soon as reasonable. While your statements about it being too early are true for the bugs listed against the 10.3 release, the bugs listed against the older releases should really be addressed as quickly as possible so that they stand a chance of making it into the 10.3 at all. If you wait too long on this, they will skip yet another release cycle. I think that the early alpha time frame is ideal to review bugs against the older releases otherwise fixing them might introduce too much churn to be included after a feature freeze. Thoughts? The point of course is to not way *too* long, so that changes can still be put into effect, but not too early, before the features and new packages are in. If that happens, then we'll start fixing/cleaning up places of bugs, but then a whole horde of other ones might be created before release. A couple of months before release time sounds good to me. Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros Website: http://francis.giannaros.org IRC: apokryphos on irc.freenode.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Andreas Vetter wrote: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: There's been talk about improving boot speed and stopping unnecessary services from running by default. I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. I definitely want postfix and sshd on all macines I install :-) With AppArmor, I'm not sure. That goes for me also. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Am Donnerstag 08 März 2007 schrieb Andras Mantia: On Thursday 08 March 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. I don't know why postfix is needed on most machines, but sshd is useful The official reason why postfix needs to run is cron - which runs by default and uses the local MTA to deliver its output. to help remotely people that are beginners. But maybe its enough if its installed by default as it is relatively easy to turn it on in YaST. Your argument is pretty weak as we default to firewall enabled, so it's pretty hard to get to the ssh port ;) Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] cvsgraph?
Am Donnerstag 08 März 2007 schrieb Andreas Vetter: Just a question regarding viewcvs (aka viewvc). Can we include a package cvsgraph in openSUSE? How many openSUSE users you think might require it? I'd go for 5 to 10. We're currently trying to get such packages out of the product everyone has to download and put them in opensuse buildservice repositories. And if you haven't yet, I suggest you get an account to upload the package. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] cvsgraph?
On Thursday 08 March 2007 06:46, Stephan Kulow wrote: Am Donnerstag 08 März 2007 schrieb Andreas Vetter: Just a question regarding viewcvs (aka viewvc). Can we include a package cvsgraph in openSUSE? I think it's the other way around. The new name is viewvc, formerly viewcvs. And I, too, would like convenient access to cvsgraph. How many openSUSE users you think might require it? I'd go for 5 to 10. We're currently trying to get such packages out of the product everyone has to download and put them in opensuse buildservice repositories. And if you haven't yet, I suggest you get an account to upload the package. Do you really think there are only 5 or 10 programmers using openSUSE? I don't relish the idea of settin up dozens of separately configured repositories in order to get the tools I need. I _like_ the kitchen sink approach. It's one big characteristic that makes openSUSE and SuSE Linux before it desirable to me. Greetings, Stephan Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 10:04 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: Hello, On Mar 7 10:46 JP Rosevear wrote (shortened): On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 16:39 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: On Mar 7 10:30 JP Rosevear wrote (shortened): On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 10:58 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: Your info is too terse for me. I still do not understand the end-user's situation. Please do not misunderstand me - I don't want to do nitpicking. But I need to understand the whole picture from the end-user's point of view - otherwise whatever nice-looking implementation may not solve the actual end-user problem. The situtation is the end user doesn't want to type in a password to do simple operations. Frommy point of viwe it seems from mail to mail you change the issue (it started with USB printers, became network printers, now it is about typing passwords) and it seems you still don't tell the whole story. No, the user should not need root to include any printers, I just didn't explicitly call out network printers to begin with and I should have. You mix up many different things is your requests that I don't know what you actually want. I asked you several times to provide more info about the original problem and the user situation but all I get are terse snippets which are useless at least for me. I will put this as plainly as I can, the original problems are: 1) It sucks for home users to have to enter a password to setup a printer. 2) Large corporate environments don't want to give out a root password, but do want people to be able to configure a printer still. You pointed out the policy piece in cups 1.2 which is great, that gives us the underlying tools to solve this. We just need to figure out how to set this up nicely for people instead of using vim to edit a file on disk. Klaus's role bast yast email sounds promising for this. You talk about USB printers and home users and about printing in big networks with hundreds of printers (obviously now a business environment) where dedicated admins exist and full automated setup of printers (in the network?) and not being root to set up printing (in the network?) and whatever else may come into mind when talking about the printing stuff. See above, two cases to be solved by the same mechanism. Why do you want to implement Windows-stlye printing when we use CUPS on Linux? Because its what most users expect and want, even many linux ones. I am afraid but it seems now we are at a dead end. Why exactly are we at a dead end? We agreed in the dist meeting not needing root to configure a printer was a valid use case. We are at a dead end when you want to pervert how printing is done under Unix/Linux operating sytems (for CUPS and even for the old-stlye Unix/Linux printing systems like LPR and LPRng) into how printing is done under Windows (and iPrint). I personally don't think setting up cups policies that mimic Windows or OS X printing permission requirements is perverting the Unix/Linux way? There are millions of people who expect this kind of behavior. I want them all to be happy SUSE users. I think even existing users will by and large like this change, and if not it needs to be optional anyhow. Because you wrote most users expect and want this, it means you want to do Windows-stlye printing by default. This is the dead end. Nope, its a challenge. We need to present the average end/home user with what they want and expect. You've talked a lot about how cups differs. The windows-style part I'm looking for is the end user experience, its not to fundamentally change how cups works. Again: Please be exact with your wording! do Windows-stlye printing is different to no need to be root to do something (which is different to not type in a password). Not having a password is the key. Maybe I jumped a head on the implementation, but a simple way to do this is to not require being root for this operation. -JP -- JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] cvsgraph?
Am Donnerstag 08 März 2007 schrieb Randall R Schulz: How many openSUSE users you think might require it? I'd go for 5 to 10. We're currently trying to get such packages out of the product everyone has to download and put them in opensuse buildservice repositories. And if you haven't yet, I suggest you get an account to upload the package. Do you really think there are only 5 or 10 programmers using openSUSE? Hmm, you want to tell me every programmer needs cvsgraph? I wonder how I managed to program so far without it. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 10:57 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote: Hello, On Mar 7 10:52 Robert Love wrote (shortened): The use case is that a standard use should (optionally) be able to manage his printers without requiring the administrator. The optionally is the crucial word here! The system admin (i.e. the person who set up the system) can of course delegate his permissions and set up appropriate stuff in cupsd.conf so that whatever users on whatever hosts are allowed to do whatever the system admin likes, see my mail dated 6 Mar 2007. The crucial point is that it is under the system admin's control who is allowed to do what and that the system admin is aware of the consequences, for example http://www.cups.org/str.php?L790 --- the CUPS admin user can copy this way any printout to any place he likes (e.g. send it via mail to any external address ... --- If any user could change any print queue, any user could copy any printout. Note the copy which means that it is also correctly printed on the printer so that an innocent other user would not notice that his printout was copied. I assume this is not what we want to have by default to make our customers happy in big networks with hundreds of printers ;-) The solution though is in a comment in the upstream bug: If you would like to contribute a patch which adds a RestrictFilters option (or a list of allowed paths, or something like that), we will consider it for inclusion in CUPS 1.2. We could be proactive here and send a patch upstream! -JP -- JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell, Inc. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Printing in openSUSE 10.3
* JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 08. 2007 17:01]: You pointed out the policy piece in cups 1.2 which is great, that gives us the underlying tools to solve this. ... which seems to be limited to cups. There exists a myriad of implementation to delegate access rights to users in Linux. On the low level pam modules is one, resmgr another, then we have policy kit, setuid-root binaries, etc. ZENworks brings its own framework for role based access control (rbac), cups has policies, YaST is supposed to support rbac in the future. I'm not a security expert, so these things might have non-overlapping semantics. But they certainly do overlap in certain areas. The more such implementations exist, the more ways hackers will find to break them. Long term, I'd like to see one architecture to delegate 'specific root rights' to users rather than extending different implementations for specific use cases. Just my $0.02 ;-) Klaus --- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Martin Schlander wrote: I believe postfix, sshd and AppArmor are not necessary on most installations, I certainly always disable them. I'm sure it varies a lot, but none of my systems would do very well without postfix and sshd. Using Apparmor or not is a security issue. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- ENIDAN Technologies GmbH - managed email-security. Is _your_ business under attack? http://www.spamchek.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
James Tremblay wrote: If the education environments of the world are to have cheap computers they are going to have small HD's and limited ram so working Small HDs ? Are there any manufacturers that make harddrives with less than 20Gb? to reduce the installation minimum is of high priority. Yast needs at last 128Mb+swap to run anyway. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- ENIDAN Technologies GmbH - managed email-security. Is _your_ business under attack? http://www.spamchek.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] cvsgraph?
On Thursday 08 March 2007 08:00, Stephan Kulow wrote: Am Donnerstag 08 März 2007 schrieb Randall R Schulz: How many openSUSE users you think might require it? I'd go for 5 to 10. We're currently trying to get such packages out of the product everyone has to download and put them in opensuse buildservice repositories. And if you haven't yet, I suggest you get an account to upload the package. Do you really think there are only 5 or 10 programmers using openSUSE? Hmm, you want to tell me every programmer needs cvsgraph? I wonder how I managed to program so far without it. I don't know. Give it a try. CVS and Subversion are the most widely used open-source version control / source code management systems and both are included in openSUSE. Many users of one or both of these also use ViewVC or ViewCVS. This is also included. There's one missing piece: cvsgraph (optional support for which is built into ViewVC). I believe there's a large number of people who would like to have the additional functionality provided by it and that the complete set of related packages should be included. But what are the criteria for inclusion? What percent of the users must use a package to get it included? If you start with this offhand I don't need it and don't see why more than a handful of users would justification for excluding packages (explicitly requested packages, no less), then where does it end? With an operating system release with no more application software than MS Windows? Of course not, but I'd strongly prefer continuing in the other direction--all comers welcome. RRS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Stephan Kulow wrote: The official reason why postfix needs to run is cron - which runs by default and uses the local MTA to deliver its output. who ever look at cron reports? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
jdd wrote: Stephan Kulow wrote: The official reason why postfix needs to run is cron - which runs by default and uses the local MTA to deliver its output. who ever look at cron reports? Anyone whose operation is dependent on cron-jobs running and working. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- ENIDAN Technologies GmbH - managed email-security. Is _your_ business under attack? http://www.spamchek.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Per Jessen wrote: jdd wrote: Stephan Kulow wrote: The official reason why postfix needs to run is cron - which runs by default and uses the local MTA to deliver its output. who ever look at cron reports? Anyone whose operation is dependent on cron-jobs running and working. /Per Jessen, Zürich I think this whole discussion is greatly relative to the difference server/desktop. I couldn't image a server without sshd, but on a desktop? most users of thunderbird and seamonkey not even know there is an other mailbox :-) servers are not stopped, so the boot time is not very important :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] cvsgraph?
Randall, Op donderdag 8 maart 2007 18:11, schreef Randall R Schulz: CVS and Subversion are the most widely used open-source version control / source code management systems and both are included in openSUSE. Many users of one or both of these also use ViewVC or ViewCVS. This is also included. There's one missing piece: cvsgraph (optional support for which is built into ViewVC). I believe there's a large number of people who would like to have the additional functionality provided by it and that the complete set of related packages should be included. But what are the criteria for inclusion? What percent of the users must use a package to get it included? If you start with this offhand I don't need it and don't see why more than a handful of users would justification for excluding packages (explicitly requested packages, no less), then where does it end? With an operating system release with no more application software than MS Windows? Of course not, but I'd strongly prefer continuing in the other direction--all comers welcome. the Build server is really the right place for this. If someone urgently need, than just build it in the build server as is the case of all those other hunderds perhaps thousands of packages. Scratch that itch and we will be happier susers ;) Perhaps the http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/Subversion/openSUSE_10.2/i586/ maintainers will add it to their repository. Perhaps you can join them? -- Richard Bos We are borrowing the world of our children, It is not inherited from our parents. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-03-08 at 20:20 +0100, jdd wrote: The official reason why postfix needs to run is cron - which runs by default and uses the local MTA to deliver its output. who ever look at cron reports? Anyone whose operation is dependent on cron-jobs running and working. I think this whole discussion is greatly relative to the difference server/desktop. I couldn't image a server without sshd, but on a desktop? most users of thunderbird and seamonkey not even know there is an other mailbox :-) Some system services use email to notify root or the user of some things. For instance, smart monitoring, raid monitoring, rm installs - there was a time when Yast mailed the user of some install notices. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF8Gu4tTMYHG2NR9URArbQAKCLOJb4SjS+sFcIupu7MVgWs2CK7ACeNDV4 uUO3LcINX6URIf4KJl4fMnE= =xUcX -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] y2pmsh, why is not integrated?
On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:51:56 Vincenzo Barranco wrote: Hi, So, why the y2pmsh is not integrated on the factory development tree? openSUSE has zypper now, which can even also give you a jailed session just like y2pmsh, so there's no need for it anymore. Unfortunately libzypp's broken in factory at the moment (so currently zypper/yast won't work), but hopefully that will be up-and-running again soon. Kind thoughts, -- Francis Giannaros Website: http://francis.giannaros.org IRC: apokryphos on irc.freenode.net - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 18:07 +0100, Per Jessen wrote: James Tremblay wrote: If the education environments of the world are to have cheap computers they are going to have small HD's and limited ram so working Small HDs ? Are there any manufacturers that make harddrives with less than 20Gb? to reduce the installation minimum is of high priority. Yast needs at last 128Mb+swap to run anyway. Forget about harddisks. Still trying installing SuSE on an usb-pendrive, and also have some storage-space left. Hopes that slick-project would fit on a Kobil-mIDentity stick or an Etoken-flash (only 1GB available) hw -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
On Thursday 08 March 2007 12:07, Per Jessen wrote: James Tremblay wrote: If the education environments of the world are to have cheap computers they are going to have small HD's and limited ram so working Small HDs ? Are there any manufacturers that make harddrives with less than 20Gb? to reduce the installation minimum is of high priority. Yast needs at last 128Mb+swap to run anyway. /Per Jessen, Zürich My box of running P1 350MHZ laptops have as a max 128 mg and a 6 gig drive. I'm sure that it would be cheaper to build a HD with one platter that is a total of 10-20 gig than to build a 6 platter 120g HD. My laptop is a 2\3 year old Centrino 1.5ghz with 2 gig of ram(256 default), 40g HD and a 32mg video card. if IBM\Lenovo saw that this laptop were going to be viable for another 5-10 years they wouldn't need to push to discontinue this one, but with 512mg video requirements and operating systems that come on 5 cd's or a DVD on the market, my Motherboard is completely useless to them. But Lenovo could sell the Manufacturing tools and rights to this MB to some builder to sell as a Linux platform and still make LOADS of cash, unless Linux adopts those same requirements as a mandatory installation environment (which seems to be on it's way). How does Education get to keep up? What if those P1 tools still exist somewhere? or the PII's or etc.why build a special 100.00 laptop when continuing to produce this system until its cost of manufacturing drive it down to 100$, unless there is no distro to run on it? Hell Novell could buy this MB from IBM\Lenovo and make a killing! it is fully SLED compatible! I'm on 10.2 now. JT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Boot speed and services
Hello, on Donnerstag, 8. März 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 11:27:10AM +0100, Andreas Vetter wrote: [...] With AppArmor, I'm not sure. AppArmor has no running daemon It loads the profiles on boot. But: I prefer security over saving a second of boot time ;-) (it uses auditd for logging), it is mostly a kernel module. Just curious: What's the advantage of using auditd compared with logging to syslog-ng? (I see only a disadvantage right now: auditd doesn't have human-readable timestamps in the log :-/ ) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Meine Fonts füllen die komplette Wand, also könnte ich auch kein größeres Poster brauchen. :-) Ich verwende für die Wände immer Tapete ;-) [ Ratti und Christian Boltz] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] no cdrecord
Hey Group; In SuSE10.3 there is no cdrecord. I guest the author of cdrecords message to Linux hit home. Anyway, while downloading/updating or just lucky I saw a note the cdrecord was being replaced. Problem is my memory has not locked on the new substitute. It may have been in the SuSE Yast Install notes A which cdrecord, locate cdrecord fails to answer the question. What is the binary replacements file name? -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign N5XWB HAMs : [EMAIL PROTECTED] VoIP via Gizmo: bmw_87kbike / via Skype: n5xwbg BMW MOA #: 4146 - Ambassador http://counter.li.org #279316 Did you know? The transistor was invented by three white men. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] no cdrecord
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Re: [opensuse-factory] no cdrecord
On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:43, Donn Washburn wrote: Hey Group; In SuSE10.3 there is no cdrecord. I guest the author of cdrecords message to Linux hit home. Anyway, while downloading/updating or just lucky I saw a note the cdrecord was being replaced. Problem is my memory has not locked on the new substitute. It may have been in the SuSE Yast Install notes A which cdrecord, locate cdrecord fails to answer the question. Naturally. Those commands find existing files. What is the binary replacements file name? Are you thinking of wodim? Randall Schulz - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Audio just stopped
John == John Andersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John On Tuesday 06 March 2007, John ffitch wrote: I was using my laptop (Suse10.2) and tried switching my microphone on in alsamixer -- everything went quiet. Now I have no sound other that the beeps. aplay says it is playing but silence. Audacity says it is playing and silence. I have done the obvious -- nothing is muted in alsamnixer; re-configured the sound card; rebooted the machien. Powered it off, waited and restarted -- and still silence. I was using the sound earlier in the day, and I NEED the sound to teach my DSP class. Any ideas of (a) what happened and more importantly (b) how to restore sounds? Machine is ThinkPadX40 ==John ffitch John I'm guessing its an intel sound chipset. What a flaming John piece of crap that High Definition Audio is. John Start by yast, ripping out the sound system and putting it John back in piece by piece. Yes; done that. reinstalled ALSA, sound card, etc Still silence ==John ffitch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] K9copy
Sunny wrote: On 3/7/07, Fred A. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K9 is broken..current version. The author claims that it has a problem with bad sectors on DVDs. I'm not sure, as I just copied a dual-layer commercial DVD that I want to make an archive copy from, creating an ISO. K9 barfed on the ISO. Is there any other software that will compress a dual layer to a single layer DVD as well as K9? Thanks! Fred If you do not need the menu structure, you can try XDVDBackup. There is an rpm at packman's site. Also, the win utility - DVDShrink works well under wine. Both of them will fail with newer Sony's protection. So far I have seen only win tolls to cope with it. You may wish to try doing the ripping with DVDdecryptor (it handles more copy protection schemes) and then processing the files through DVDShrink. Both work fine under recent Wine releases. HTH Cheers. Bye. Ph. A. -- *Philippe Andersson* Unix System Administrator IBA Particle Therapy | Tel: +32-10-475.983 Fax: +32-10-487.707 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iba-worldwide.com The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the recipient (s) named above. This communication is intended to be and to remain confidential and may be protected by intellectual property rights. Any use of the information contained herein (including but not limited to, total or partial reproduction, communication or distribution of any form) by persons other than the designated recipient(s) is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Ion Beam Applications does not accept liability for any such errors. Thank you for your cooperation. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-handed?
The doctor suggested me to use left arm as less as possible. I think this is only possible if I can type single-handed. After I read this article I decide to start to practice single hand typing on standard keyboard: http://edgarmatias.com/papers/hci96/ Problem being I don't know if this is possible on Linux. Using this typing technology, it require OS to make Space Bar work in the way like Shift. E.g. press Shift and a you get A, press space bar and a you get ;, the symmetrical opposite key of a on keyboard. I tried to google around, it seems so far not so much Linux software take this issue seriously yet (or at least simple google search is not sufficient). I guess there might be a keyboard layout that can help me do that: checking gnome keycode map list, there is no keyboard layout for single-handed QWERTY. Maybe this is simple? Maybe all I need is to tweak some configuration file for X or Gnome? I don't know. A lot of google search showed that alternative method is to use Dvorak single-handed layout keyboard. That's not an easy option to me because I type Chinese a lot and I already remembered key position. Switching from QWERTY to an alternative layout is a big trouble for me, too much to re-learn and re-practice. And, my arm is not permanently injured, I wish to get back to dual-hand typing after several months. Holiday is not an option for me too, I am running a company and under business pressure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Krdc Problem in 64Bit System
Dne Tuesday 06 March 2007 12:31 Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. napsal(a): I have upgraded my linux machine to an AMD 64bitCPU running openSUSE 10.2. Krdc used to work on my 32bit system. In fact, it still does as long as I attempt to access the MS Win machine on my LAN. But when I attempt to access the Win XP machine at my office Krdc hangs on the I did not use krdc on WXP, but i used it with MAC OS, x11vnc kde vnc. Without problems. I will suspect some lan/firewall problems. -- Pavel Nemec Software Engineer - SuSE CR, s.r.o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lihovarska 1060/12 tel:+420 284 028 981 190 00 Praha 9 fax:+420 296 542 374 Ceska republika http://www.suse.cz pgpVAbZIifQjF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Is it just me not receiving YUM updates
On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Magnus Boman wrote: Excuse me, but what does the online package management have to do with broken mirrors? Damon Register Why should a package management system insist on a perfect world in which to operate? Is fault tolerance an unknown concept? I would like to nominate 4 or 5 mirrors, and have the software find a working one, but doing so imposes such a processing load that it quickly becomes impractical. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing jre-6-linux-i586-rpm.bin
Glenn Holmer wrote: On Thursday 01 March 2007 09:32, Daniel Bornkessel wrote: I just submitted java-1_6_0-sun to our build system ... so it should be available for factory in a few days. Is this available yet? What's the URL? www.sun.com Andre den Oudsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Shorewall (was; Re: [opensuse] Martin Glötzl-Koch STOP BOUNCING LIST MAIL)
On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote: Could I get a sample of some of your configs? My main problem is as such. I have SuSEfirewall working but complains from yast I would like to look at shorewall, but I have not gotten configs correct. I have nothing as complex as you have depicted. If you are talking about putting Shorewall in your machine number 1, it would seem that a standard three interface quick start guide would be the best place to start. The most I use is two interfaces (except for a laptop with vmware inside. That was a bit tricky. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] shell script newbie: how to display progress of a pipe?
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 18:26 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote: If you configure Guru's RPM repository as a YaST repository and search (in Software Management) on the term progress, you'll find some tools that may serve your needs: Thanks a lot! This is a good experience on getting me used to search on repository! Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Recommended by Microsoft
On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Peter Bradley wrote: In their email they inform me that SUSE is, The only Linux recommended by Microsoft. Are they deliberately trying to annoy me? Maybe they get a huge discount on Windows, like Dell and HP do when they write Dell Recommends Windows Vista ;-) -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Recommended by Microsoft
On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Juergen Weigert wrote: Anyway, I've written back and told them that I would never buy anything that came recommended by Microsoft. Wise move. I mean, talking to the marketing guys may help. Juergen, just WHEN has it ever HELPED to talk to marketing guys?!? What marketing guys have you ever met that lets you actually TALK? -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-handed?
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 16:56 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote: I tried to google around, it seems so far not so much Linux software take this issue seriously yet (or at least simple google search is not sufficient). I guess there might be a keyboard layout that can help me do that: checking gnome keycode map list, there is no keyboard layout for single-handed QWERTY. http://repetae.net/john/computer/hk/ - a kernel patch that only works on console mode, still searching for something that works with X. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-handed?
On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Zhang Weiwu wrote: The doctor suggested me to use left arm as less as possible. I think this is only possible if I can type single-handed. Have you looked at the Accessibility options in KDE? They have several things in there for this kind of situation. They also have another section (under keyboard) for using temporary locking of shift states. or moving the caps lock function to a easier to reach key. Personally, I find it easier to hit Capslock a capslock to get a capital a, then any two-key combination with my right hand. Its one more key, but its faster. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] SMART, proxy and kdesu
I have proxy settings everywhere and it works. When I start SMART from commandline as su it works through the proxy. When using the kdesu version from App Menu - System - Configuration, it cant access because its not using the proxy. I check this by doing kdesu konsole and checking that the environ var http_proxy is set - its not - how do I set it for kdesu? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing jre-6-linux-i586-rpm.bin
On Thursday 08 March 2007 03:12, A. den Oudsten wrote: Glenn Holmer wrote: On Thursday 01 March 2007 09:32, Daniel Bornkessel wrote: I just submitted java-1_6_0-sun to our build system ... so it should be available for factory in a few days. Is this available yet? What's the URL? www.sun.com No, I mean a SUSE-fied build. -- Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org/commodore/c64.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing jre-6-linux-i586-rpm.bin
On Thursday 08 March 2007 11:48, Glenn Holmer wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007 03:12, A. den Oudsten wrote: Glenn Holmer wrote: On Thursday 01 March 2007 09:32, Daniel Bornkessel wrote: I just submitted java-1_6_0-sun to our build system ... so it should be available for factory in a few days. Is this available yet? What's the URL? www.sun.com No, I mean a SUSE-fied build. Hi. I made a request to include it in the distribution ... sorry: My fault. I hope it will be out in factory (nonoss) soon. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] zmd mysteries
Dňa St 7. Marec 2007 18:42 Paul Abrahams napísal: This whole ZMD business snuck up on me when I updated from 10.0 to 10.2. Suddenly it was there and didn't seem to be working. Right now I have an empty catalog -- probably as a result of desperate and somewhat misguided screwing around -- and no idea of how to create a useful catalog. I found out a little about zmd through a Google search, but so far I haven't found any useful overview documentation. So -- 1. If I have an empty catalog list (I found that out by calling zen-installer), how do I create a useful catalog list? Easiest way is to start YaST module to register the system again. 2. Where can I find an overview of ZEN and its buddies? What kind of information are you looking for? 3. What is the current relationship between ZEN and Yast? Still the same: http://en.opensuse.org/Understanding_zmd Stano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-handed?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-03-08 at 16:56 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote: The doctor suggested me to use left arm as less as possible. I think this is only possible if I can type single-handed. I read somewhere about using some kind of predictive text input: you start typing a word and it completes. Or some thing similar using reduced keyboards with predictive text, like it is used on gsm cellular phones for sms typing. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF8AdstTMYHG2NR9URAjhbAJ9+eGStgXFQNFXrYU1xiaKdQj9slwCeMQth lt32ySJLonwgKLbGQdw9F4U= =3f4t -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Recommended by Microsoft
On Mar 08, 07 00:25:01 -0900, John Andersen wrote: On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Juergen Weigert wrote: Anyway, I've written back and told them that I would never buy anything that came recommended by Microsoft. Wise move. I mean, talking to the marketing guys may help. Juergen, just WHEN has it ever HELPED to talk to marketing guys?!? What marketing guys have you ever met that lets you actually TALK? Ah, you apparently talked to some and it helped. It helped you to understand. :-) cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _===.===_ V | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wide open suse_/_---|\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (//\ (/) | __/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Installing jre-6-linux-i586-rpm.bin
I have had java-6 working on many distros 64-bit and 32-bit, usually, its as simply as making the .bin file executable and then running the .bin. You alkso haver the choice of downloading an rpm or tar version of the release (I forgot which one). I suggest doing this install the new java 1.6 put do it without overwriting or replacing the old one. As I understand it linux has many places where the new java would need to be set. I prefer to have certain apps access the new java in /usr/local and let the system and everything else use the old one until a supported release is sent out by the distro. Regards! On 3/8/07, Daniel Bornkessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007 11:48, Glenn Holmer wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007 03:12, A. den Oudsten wrote: Glenn Holmer wrote: On Thursday 01 March 2007 09:32, Daniel Bornkessel wrote: I just submitted java-1_6_0-sun to our build system ... so it should be available for factory in a few days. Is this available yet? What's the URL? www.sun.com No, I mean a SUSE-fied build. Hi. I made a request to include it in the distribution ... sorry: My fault. I hope it will be out in factory (nonoss) soon. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] zmd mysteries
On 3/8/07, Stanislav Visnovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still the same: http://en.opensuse.org/Understanding_zmd is the paragraph below (from the link you provided) correct? libzypp is the new package/patch/pattern/product management library written in C++. Currently, it installs, upgrades and removes packages by running rpm on the command-line. libzypp also contains a dependency resolver libzypp funtionality is provided by rpm? Or, should that say rug? p -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] zmd mysteries
Dňa Št 8. Marec 2007 14:43 Peter Van Lone napísal: On 3/8/07, Stanislav Visnovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still the same: http://en.opensuse.org/Understanding_zmd is the paragraph below (from the link you provided) correct? libzypp is the new package/patch/pattern/product management library written in C++. Currently, it installs, upgrades and removes packages by running rpm on the command-line. libzypp also contains a dependency resolver libzypp funtionality is provided by rpm? Or, should that say rug? rug is a command line tool to talk to ZMD. ZMD talks to libzypp for high-level software management operations (e.g. dependency resolution). libzypp calls rpm to install/remove the packages. opensuse.org contains a lot of links for this topic, e.g. http://en.opensuse.org/Libzypp Stano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] KDM default session selection (previous session)
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 09:57:59 am Sylvester Lykkehus wrote: Patrick Shanahan wrote: The 'session manager' defaults to the *last* 'desktop manager' initiated. In your case you started gnome, closed it and returned to an already open kde. I don't know how you would achieve your wishes w/o opening another kde session *after* opening the gnome session. Appears to be one of those 'cake and eat it' situations. gud luk, Hi Patrick, That is exactly my problem, and indeed the 'workaround' I've been living with so far: open another KDE session after playing around in e.g. gnome, and before shutting down. Best regards Sylvester The other option is to remember to do an Alt+T at the logon screen, verify which was the last used DE and change to the one you want. Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] compiz woes (with twinview)
Thomas Meindl wrote: Due to a new x86_64 system I was forced to update my perfect running compiz setup on openSUSE 10.2 with NVidia twinview. The compiz version 0.3.7-15.1 from the opensuse Beryl repository is the only version which currently works, but seems to have a bug with the water-plugin. I use this to test if all works fine, but after a short time of playing around and opening some programs, the wave effect disappears and both screens begin to flicker like mad. I tried to upgrade and downgrad compiz to versions which I found at the factory and Xorg 7.2 repository but both boot up in the so-called white screen of death. So what I want to know is, has anybody encountered the same or similar issues like that? Kind regards, Tom Nobody ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] KDM default session selection (previous session)
S Glasoe wrote: On Wednesday 07 March 2007 09:57:59 am Sylvester Lykkehus wrote: Patrick Shanahan wrote: The 'session manager' defaults to the *last* 'desktop manager' initiated. In your case you started gnome, closed it and returned to an already open kde. I don't know how you would achieve your wishes w/o opening another kde session *after* opening the gnome session. Appears to be one of those 'cake and eat it' situations. gud luk, Hi Patrick, That is exactly my problem, and indeed the 'workaround' I've been living with so far: open another KDE session after playing around in e.g. gnome, and before shutting down. Best regards Sylvester The other option is to remember to do an Alt+T at the logon screen, verify which was the last used DE and change to the one you want. Stan Sure that would do, if it wasn't because I enabled the Auto-Login feature of KDM. It starts the last session used, without me getting a chance to choose ;-) Best regards Sylvester -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] zmd mysteries
On Thursday 08 March 2007 7:40 am, Stanislav Visnovsky wrote: 2. Where can I find an overview of ZEN and its buddies? What kind of information are you looking for? What is ZEN? What does it do? 3. What is the current relationship between ZEN and Yast? Still the same: http://en.opensuse.org/Understanding_zmd That writeup (which I had seen before) is quite opaque. It starts with the statement: This page will contain a little about the internal working of Zmd system. but it never says what the Zmd system is or does. Then it goes on to ask questions without answering them: * What happens when I add an yast source? * What happens when I add a zmd? * What are the resource eaters during normal operation? * How to see debug information to know whats happening in my Zmd? I guess that a zmd and Zmd are two different things, judging by questions 2 and 4, but that relationship is not explained, nor is it ever explained what a zmd is or how one obtains a useful collection of zmds. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] I there a way to view my DVD-RW capabilities under Linux (like Nero InfoTool) ? ?
hi all ! Windows has a tool called Nero InfoTool. This app provides me with full information about my DVD drive. I would like to know: Which writing modes are supported (track-at-one/disk-at-one/multisession/...), which speed DVD+R can be recorded, which speed DVD-R can be recorded, which speed DVD+-RW and DVD+-R DL can be recorded ... and if Lightscribe is supported. Is there any way to get/retrieve my DVD drive capabilities under Linux ? -Alexey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-handed?
On Thursday 08 March 2007 02:56, Zhang Weiwu wrote: The doctor suggested me to use left arm as less as possible. I think this is only possible if I can type single-handed. After I read this article I decide to start to practice single hand typing on standard keyboard: http://edgarmatias.com/papers/hci96/ Problem being I don't know if this is possible on Linux. Maybe I just don't understand the premise... I routinely type with my left hand because I am using the mouse with my right. I guess that I could swap sides if necessary. I have not noticed any difference between using the keyboard with Windows or Linux, so I would have to say that it is possible to type one-handed on Linux since that's what I am doing right now. Maybe my 9 spread from thumb to 3rd fingertip helps a bit to manipulate shifted keys. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Graphic error
So my notebook is kinda goofy right now. It has an Intel GMA 950 graphics card on it. It's been working pretty well so far but the past week or so, it stopped showing my XGL screen savers. Also, it won't play some of my XGL/SDL style games. Example, I like Wormux (I need to expand my linux game knowledge), and it gives me an error, I don't remember it but it can't find libSDL.so or something to that degree. I tried to reinstall all the SDL software, no change. I checked and 3D acceleration is checked in SaX2. Now I have XGL running and that goes fine. When I preview my screensavers, they show up fine. I also have 3D destkop, it works fine. I have XGL disabled most of the time since I don't use it but I enable every so often to show it off. What do you think the problem is? Thanks all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-handed?
On Thu 08 Mar 2007 17:33, Stevens wrote: Maybe I just don't understand the premise... I routinely type with my left hand because I am using the mouse with my right. I guess that I could swap sides if necessary. ___ - Just as large Church Organs do/used to have Keyboard for the FEET . . . wonder of some ingenious Dr. Doc has produced a computer Foot-Key-Board? friendly greetings -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-hande
On 08-Mar-07 Zhang Weiwu wrote: The doctor suggested me to use left arm as less as possible. I think this is only possible if I can type single-handed. After I read this article I decide to start to practice single hand typing on standard keyboard: http://edgarmatias.com/papers/hci96/ Problem being I don't know if this is possible on Linux. Using this typing technology, it require OS to make Space Bar work in the way like Shift. E.g. press Shift and a you get A, press space bar and a you get ;, the symmetrical opposite key of a on keyboard. I tried to google around, it seems so far not so much Linux software take this issue seriously yet (or at least simple google search is not sufficient). I guess there might be a keyboard layout that can help me do that: checking gnome keycode map list, there is no keyboard layout for single-handed QWERTY. Maybe this is simple? Maybe all I need is to tweak some configuration file for X or Gnome? I don't know. A lot of google search showed that alternative method is to use Dvorak single-handed layout keyboard. That's not an easy option to me because I type Chinese a lot and I already remembered key position. Switching from QWERTY to an alternative layout is a big trouble for me, too much to re-learn and re-practice. And, my arm is not permanently injured, I wish to get back to dual-hand typing after several months. Holiday is not an option for me too, I am running a company and under business pressure. One simple suggestion -- if it is medically acceptable -- is to use your injured arm/hand only for the keys Shift, Ctrl, Alt, and use your good hand for all other keys. That would minimise the strain on your injured arm. Another approach would be to re-program say the SPACE bar to act as Shift, and some other key otherwise rarely used (e.g. F12) to act as SPACE. Indications of how to do this sort of thing can be found in man xmodmap Hoping this helps, sympathy with your problems, and wishing you a good solution and outcome! Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 08-Mar-07 Time: 10:29:31 -- XFMail -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Opensuseupdater problem
After doing away with Zen, I have relied on my opensuseupdater, with icon in the tray at the bottom of my screen. Today, the icon turned into a triangle with an exclamation point in it, and uttered this message: Error. There are no update sources defined. Please add one or more update sources in order to be informed of updates. I have made no changes to the data for opensuseupdater. How do I cure this problem? I have two update sources listed for the application: one is my installation DVD, and the other is madwifi.org/suse/10.2. How do I fix this? -- Best regards, Dennis J. Tuchler University City, Missouri 63130 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] I there a way to view my DVD-RW capabilities under Linux (like Nero InfoTool) ? ?
On Thursday 08 March 2007 18:24:40 Alexey Eremenko wrote: Is there any way to get/retrieve my DVD drive capabilities under Linux ? On the commandline you can use the -prcap (print capabilities) option of wodim (since openSUSE 10.2) .. e.g. like # wodim dev=/dev/hdb -prcap (replace /dev/hdb with the devicefile reflecting your drive). If you are more into GUI Apps.. k3b e.g. can also show them .. choose the Settings menu, Configure K3b.. and select the Devices object in the new dialog appearing. Have fun, Frank pgpS9b52pt8pU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Opensuseupdater problem
On Thursday 08 March 2007, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote: Error. There are no update sources defined. Please add one or more update sources in order to be informed of updates. I've seen this too. As each source defined generates an error, it gets removed from the list (sometimes never to return). So a simple network failure can under some strange conditions purge your list of sources and then you are left with none and have to define them all again. -- _ John Andersen pgpx2JA39SWlp.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-handed?
The doctor suggested me to use left arm as less as possible. I think this is only possible if I can type single-handed. there IS some sort of disabled configuration, that allow dead keys to be no more dead (that is one can type Ctrl then T with two keystrokes). on Kde, see config, Régionalisation et accessibilité / accessibilité (sorry I don't know then english menus) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Opensuseupdater problem
I had an update fail, where the updater would show the update, but not download or install it. I ended up finding the dir where all the update files were stored and deleted them. That also deleted my defined sources for the updates. Inadvertently, showed me where those are defined (what file), so you may want to backup your files to restore if this happens again, or to define them with one cp command on a new install. /var/lib/zypp/db/sources B-) On Thursday 08 March 2007 12:02 pm, John Andersen wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote: Error. There are no update sources defined. Please add one or more update sources in order to be informed of updates. I've seen this too. As each source defined generates an error, it gets removed from the list (sometimes never to return). So a simple network failure can under some strange conditions purge your list of sources and then you are left with none and have to define them all again. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Recommended by Microsoft
On Thursday 08 March 2007 10:21, John Andersen wrote: On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Peter Bradley wrote: In their email they inform me that SUSE is, The only Linux recommended by Microsoft. Are they deliberately trying to annoy me? Maybe they get a huge discount on Windows, like Dell and HP do when they write Dell Recommends Windows Vista ;-) You mean Microsoft gets a discount on SUSE? Remember who recommends whom :) Incidentally, this thread makes me thing: people always say that there is no way Microsoft can ever kill linux. Well, apparently there is. All they have to do is recommend it :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] I there a way to view my DVD-RW capabilities under Linux (like Nero InfoTool) ? ?
Thanks Frank. What are the main differences between wodim and cdrecord ? btw: the command wodim -prcap dev=/dev/cdrom Does not show DVD+R capabilities, only DVD-R. -Alexey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-handed?
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 18:33 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu 08 Mar 2007 17:33, Stevens wrote: Maybe I just don't understand the premise... I routinely type with my left hand because I am using the mouse with my right. I guess that I could swap sides if necessary. ___ - Just as large Church Organs do/used to have Keyboard for the FEET . . . wonder of some ingenious Dr. Doc has produced a computer Foot-Key-Board? Possibly, but those with enough manual dexterity in their feet to use it are probably able to use a normal key board. War AMPS Canada has a film on this subject that has been airing locally about a armless woman who uses a standard computer keyboard at work. (She also drives with just her feet.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YaST Software Management module not responding
Thanks for the reply Anders, I looked at the log and unfortunately nothing obvious jumped out at me. I'm not sure of the etiquette of this list for posting log files so I've posted the log at the below link. This is the output of a tail -f command as I started yast from the command line and attempted to start the Software Management module.If anyone can see something out of place in this I'd appreciate the help. http://www.coalliance.org/~tdonnelly/yast_log.txt Tim Donnelly Systems/Network Administrator Colorado Alliance of Research Libraries (303)759-3399 x106 On Wed Mar 7 12:38 , Anders Johansson sent: On Wednesday 07 March 2007 20:29, Tim Donnelly wrote: I'm running the 64 bit version of Open SuSE 10.1. Often (nearly always) when I try to go into the Software Management module in YaST I get nothing. By nothing I mean, I click the icon, the thinking cursor appears and stays up for a few seconds then reverts back to the normal arrow cursor. And that's it. Rebooting the server generally allows me to use the module for some period of time, then the behavior starts again. Running a ps -ef | grep yast command produces the following output: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ps -ef | grep yast root 30311 30206 0 12:23 ? 00:00:00 kdesu -u root -c /sbin/yast2 root 30312 30311 0 12:23 ? 00:00:00 /bin/bash /sbin/yast2 root 30352 1 0 12:23 ? 00:00:00 /bin/bash /sbin/yast2 sw_single 1000 30530 30501 0 12:29 pts/4 00:00:00 grep yast I have tried running yast2 from the command line and get the same thing, namely nothing. The rest of the YaST modules seem to work fine, its only the Software Management one that is borked. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The log file is /var/log/YaST2/y2log and it should contain a trace of what yast is up to, and hopefully some clues as to why it's failing -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-handed?
On Thu 08 Mar 2007 20:53, Mike McMullin wrote: Foot-Key-Board? Possibly, but those with enough manual dexterity in their feet to use it are probably able to use a normal key board. War AMPS Canada has a film on this subject that has been airing locally about a armless woman who uses a standard computer keyboard at work. (She also drives with just her feet.) - What amazing courage - Bravo! best wishes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YaST Software Management module not responding
On Thursday 08 March 2007 21:54, Tim Donnelly wrote: Thanks for the reply Anders, I looked at the log and unfortunately nothing obvious jumped out at me. I'm not sure of the etiquette of this list for posting log files so I've posted the log at the below link. That's is absolutely the best way to do it This is the output of a tail -f command as I started yast from the command line and attempted to start the Software Management module.If anyone can see something out of place in this I'd appreciate the help. http://www.coalliance.org/~tdonnelly/yast_log.txt Looks like it's hanging probing the cdrom. Is that broken in some way? Do you perhaps get messages in /var/log/messages about it? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YaST Software Management module not responding
Well now that you mention it, there does appear to be a problem with the
CD-ROM./var/log/messages for that same time period shows these 2 lines:
Mar 8 13:39:30 sword kernel: hda: request sense failure: status=0x51 {
DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Mar 8 13:39:30 sword kernel: hda: request sense failure: error=0x20 {
LastFailedSense=0x02 }
I guess I need to do some more troubleshooting.
I'm curious though, I went back through the YaST log and still didn't see
anything obvious, can you point out to me what said CD-ROM to you?Thanks
Looks like it's hanging probing the cdrom. Is that broken in some way? Do you
perhaps get messages in /var/log/messages about it?
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Re: [opensuse] What can I use instead of Viso?
On Thursday 08 March 2007 14:20, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: What can I use instead of Viso in Linux? Are you asking about Visio? bye Ronald Wiplinger Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] setting up secondary DNS with Yast (SuSE 10.0)
On Thursday 08 March 2007, James D. Parra wrote: Hello, I have a internal DNS machine setup and I want to create another as a secondary server. Is there a way in Yast to have poll the info from the primary server? Or, should I copy the named.conf.* files and /etc/named.d/* files? Thank you, James Its not clear what you are asking here. Is your machine set up as a dhcp server that provides the IP of dns servers, and you want to add a dns server to this list? OR Are you simply asking how to add a secondary DNS server address to your server's /etc/resolv.conf ? If the former, you can add a second name server ip to your dhcp configuration. If the latter you can hard code your resolv.conf and take the risk that your upstream will not change them without warning. In either case, the secondary name server is only used after the first times out. (fails). It won't check the second one if the first says it can't resolve the name. So its less useful than it seems at first. -- _ John Andersen pgpITeKlfHrf7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] What can I use instead of Viso?
On Thursday 08 March 2007, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: What can I use instead of Viso in Linux? bye Ronald Wiplinger Kivio maybe? -- _ John Andersen pgpQnYL5BK68q.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [opensuse] setting up secondary DNS with Yast (SuSE 10.0)
On Thursday 08 March 2007, James D. Parra wrote: Hello, I have an internal DNS machine and I want to create another as a secondary server. Is there a way in Yast to poll the info from the primary server? Or, should I copy the named.conf.* files and /etc/named.d/* files? Thank you, James Its not clear what you are asking here. ~~~ Sorry about the typos and lack of clarity. I want two internal DNS servers. One is already built and it is the primary server and is serving internal name resolution (names on the local LAN). I have another machine with Suse installed and I want to set it up as a backup, or secondary, DNS server. Is there a way in Yast, when configuring it as a DNS server, to have it go and retrieve the named info from the primary DNS server or must I load that info manually? I hope this is clearer. Thank you, ~James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse updater is failing
Robert Lewis wrote: One further questions is the ORB has turned from what I previously had seen. Blue (normal no updates) Orange/Red (updates available) to a globe that has white/blue/green a bit different. Can anyone give me any history on this change please as I am curious? You are describing the icon for 2 different update programs. The blue and orange one is zen updater, the white/blue/green is opensuseupdater, the lightweight, zypp based replacement for the zmd based updater, which operated similarly to the old suse watcher in that it only looks for and provides notification of security updates. zen updater looks for updates in any configured source. HTH. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] What can I use instead of Viso?
On Thursday 08 March 2007 02:52:40 pm John Andersen wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: What can I use instead of Viso in Linux? bye Ronald Wiplinger Kivio maybe? That works to some extent. Really depends on what the OP wants to do. If simply drawing flowcharts is in order, then OOo will work. If he (she/it) wants to do more advanced things then maybe Kvivio (which isn't supported afaik) or even Gliffy (http://www.gliffy.com/) which seems to work well. Or you can just use Visio http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/2006/visio2002_on_nix.jpg -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] setting up secondary DNS with Yast (SuSE 10.0)
On Thursday 08 March 2007, James D. Parra wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007, James D. Parra wrote: Hello, I have an internal DNS machine and I want to create another as a secondary server. Is there a way in Yast to poll the info from the primary server? Or, should I copy the named.conf.* files and /etc/named.d/* files? Thank you, James Its not clear what you are asking here. ~~~ Sorry about the typos and lack of clarity. I want two internal DNS servers. One is already built and it is the primary server and is serving internal name resolution (names on the local LAN). I have another machine with Suse installed and I want to set it up as a backup, or secondary, DNS server. Is there a way in Yast, when configuring it as a DNS server, to have it go and retrieve the named info from the primary DNS server or must I load that info manually? I hope this is clearer. Yikes, that is a long way from what I thought you were asking. ;-) You just want to clone the config? I dono, I've never done that, and don't know the list of files involved. I spoze I'd try dragging the /etc/named stuff over, and then re-run yast to fix what ever I broke. -- _ John Andersen pgpxwpWGx5pnr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] What can I use instead of Viso?
Ronald Wiplinger wrote: What can I use instead of Viso in Linux? bye Ronald Wiplinger use Dia in Linux instead. It is as advanced as Visio, but it works... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse updater is failing
Robert Lewis wrote: Recently the orb turned to a different symbol. There was some discussion earlier on this but I have lost it, sorry. Now I have a yellow triangle exclamation mark. Hovering over it says twice: Error: Couldn't restore source. Detail: Can't check if source has changed or not. Aborting refresh. Removing zmd.db and reconstituting it has not helped this time. Two questions: what caused the normal icon to change ? Probably me ;-) What do I do about the message above? Cheers, Bob Joe, that was very helpful. One more question and I'll let this topic die. If one wants to toggle back and forth occasionally between the two what is the recommended methods? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] What can I use instead of Viso?
Ronald Wiplinger wrote: What can I use instead of Viso in Linux? The drawing package in OpenOffice is called Draw. OpenOffice is included with SUSE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse updater is failing
Robert Lewis wrote: One more question and I'll let this topic die. If one wants to toggle back and forth occasionally between the two what is the recommended methods? Since opensuseupdater only came out with 10.2, it is safe to assume that version. Recommended method is Yast, System, etc/sysconfig Editor, System, sw_management, and toggle between zlm (zen-updater) or opensuse (opensuseupdater). -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] opensuse updater is failing
Joe Morris (NTM) wrote: Robert Lewis wrote: One more question and I'll let this topic die. If one wants to toggle back and forth occasionally between the two what is the recommended methods? Since opensuseupdater only came out with 10.2, it is safe to assume that version. Recommended method is Yast, System, etc/sysconfig Editor, System, sw_management, and toggle between zlm (zen-updater) or opensuse (opensuseupdater). I walked this path within Yast but I fail to find sw_management under System or any other heading. I am using 10.2. I had my eyes dialated today so I might be blind. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-hande
Thanks for everybody's help and suggestions. Maybe I didn't explain clearly enough in my first post, my question would be how to touch-type with single hand rather than how to type with single hand. Features like sticky keys I am already using, trouble being not able to touch-type, thus efficiency is completely lost. I have googled around and discovered Linux's support for mirrored QWERTY keyboard layout is still not generally available (e.g. require kernel patching and recompile, only have reference on using it on console but few reference on using this on X etc). However right-hand Dvorake keyboard support is widely available in all operating systems. So I think I should start practice right hand Dvorake keyboard (I'd be glad if I also able to type single handed after my left arm recovered) and I'll use both hands for typing Chinese so I don't have to re-learn Chinese typing on right-hand keyboard. This shouldn't be a problem because only 5% of time I type Chinese. On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 18:39 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08-Mar-07 Zhang Weiwu wrote: The doctor suggested me to use left arm as less as possible. I think this is only possible if I can type single-handed. After I read this article I decide to start to practice single hand typing on standard keyboard: http://edgarmatias.com/papers/hci96/ Problem being I don't know if this is possible on Linux. Using this typing technology, it require OS to make Space Bar work in the way like Shift. E.g. press Shift and a you get A, press space bar and a you get ;, the symmetrical opposite key of a on keyboard. I tried to google around, it seems so far not so much Linux software take this issue seriously yet (or at least simple google search is not sufficient). I guess there might be a keyboard layout that can help me do that: checking gnome keycode map list, there is no keyboard layout for single-handed QWERTY. Maybe this is simple? Maybe all I need is to tweak some configuration file for X or Gnome? I don't know. A lot of google search showed that alternative method is to use Dvorak single-handed layout keyboard. That's not an easy option to me because I type Chinese a lot and I already remembered key position. Switching from QWERTY to an alternative layout is a big trouble for me, too much to re-learn and re-practice. And, my arm is not permanently injured, I wish to get back to dual-hand typing after several months. Holiday is not an option for me too, I am running a company and under business pressure. One simple suggestion -- if it is medically acceptable -- is to use your injured arm/hand only for the keys Shift, Ctrl, Alt, and use your good hand for all other keys. That would minimise the strain on your injured arm. Another approach would be to re-program say the SPACE bar to act as Shift, and some other key otherwise rarely used (e.g. F12) to act as SPACE. Indications of how to do this sort of thing can be found in man xmodmap Hoping this helps, sympathy with your problems, and wishing you a good solution and outcome! Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861 Date: 08-Mar-07 Time: 10:29:31 -- XFMail -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] setting up secondary DNS with Yast (SuSE 10.0)
On Thursday 08 March 2007 17:01, James D. Parra wrote: Is there a way in Yast, when configuring it as a DNS server, to have it go and retrieve the named info from the primary DNS server or must I load that info manually? Not in Yast. Clone the config by manually copying the zone information on the one machine from /var/lib/named/ to the other machine. You can specify the order of the primary and backup nameservers in your dhcp server by setting the config line in /etc/dhcpd.conf option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.5; The named zone info is identical between the two servers, and the .1.3 server (in this case) will be the primary... assuming that your dhcp clients are setup to pull the nameserver addresses ( resolv.conf ) from dhcp. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Kernel Update questions
I have a couple of questions about the Kernel 2.6.18.8-0.1 update, and being that this is only the second time that I have updated my Kernel on my system I don't know what is normal. I have openSUSE 10.2 on my system and the first time I updated my Kernel everything was straight forward and I had no questions. This time how ever grub no longer lists openSUSE 10.2 as a boot option, this time it lists this: openSUSE 10.2 (XEN) Windows Kernel-2.6.18.8-0.1-xen Kernel-2.6.18.8-0.1-default My fist question is: Should it be listing my Kernel instead of listing openSUSE, and if so then why didn't it do it on the last Kernel update? My second question is: Why is it still listing the old openSUSE 10.2 xen while there is a Kernel option for xen? I think you for your time, and I hope that some one knows what I am talking about and is able to give me some answers. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Kernel Update questions
On Thursday 08 March 2007 19:58, Adam Jimerson wrote: I have a couple of questions about the Kernel 2.6.18.8-0.1 update, and being that this is only the second time that I have updated my Kernel on my system I don't know what is normal. I have openSUSE 10.2 on my system and the first time I updated my Kernel everything was straight forward and I had no questions. This time how ever grub no longer lists openSUSE 10.2 as a boot option, this time it lists this: openSUSE 10.2 (XEN) Windows Kernel-2.6.18.8-0.1-xen Kernel-2.6.18.8-0.1-default My fist question is: Should it be listing my Kernel instead of listing openSUSE, and if so then why didn't it do it on the last Kernel update? My second question is: Why is it still listing the old openSUSE 10.2 xen while there is a Kernel option for xen? I think you for your time, and I hope that some one knows what I am talking about and is able to give me some answers. Hi Adam, I guess, old entries are just fallback option for users that need to update ATI or nVidia video drivers. Otherwise they will have system without graphic environment and no option to ask somebody, what to do. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Loading modules on startup
Well, I've recompiled my kernel to include smbfs, so now I can get smbmount to work -- and it works just fine. I also discovered that -o guest on the smbmount command avoids a password prompt. The only problem is that the smbfs module doesn't get loaded on startup. It's in the module tree and I can get it activated with modprobe smbfs but of course I don't want to have to do that explicitly on every restart. I suppose there's some configuration file that will do the trick, but which one? /etc/modprobe.conf is the obvious candidate but I don't see how to modify it. What's the trick? Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Loading modules on startup (Solved)
On Thursday 08 March 2007 10:58 pm, Paul Abrahams wrote: Well, I've recompiled my kernel to include smbfs, so now I can get smbmount to work -- and it works just fine. I also discovered that -o guest on the smbmount command avoids a password prompt. The only problem is that the smbfs module doesn't get loaded on startup. It's in the module tree and I can get it activated with modprobe smbfs but of course I don't want to have to do that explicitly on every restart. I suppose there's some configuration file that will do the trick, but which one? /etc/modprobe.conf is the obvious candidate but I don't see how to modify it. What's the trick? It turns out that even though lsmod doesn't find it, smbfs is getting loaded after all just by virtue of its presence in the /lib/modules tree. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Loading modules on startup (not quite solved)
On Thursday 08 March 2007 11:11 pm, I wrote: On Thursday 08 March 2007 10:58 pm, Paul Abrahams wrote: Well, I've recompiled my kernel to include smbfs, so now I can get smbmount to work -- and it works just fine. I also discovered that -o guest on the smbmount command avoids a password prompt. The only problem is that the smbfs module doesn't get loaded on startup. It's in the module tree and I can get it activated with modprobe smbfs but of course I don't want to have to do that explicitly on every restart. I suppose there's some configuration file that will do the trick, but which one? /etc/modprobe.conf is the obvious candidate but I don't see how to modify it. What's the trick? It turns out that even though lsmod doesn't find it, smbfs is getting loaded after all just by virtue of its presence in the /lib/modules tree. All this works fine on the machine where I recompiled the kernel. But when I moved the kernel to /boot on another machine and smbfs to the same place on the /lib/modules tree as it was on the compilation machine, it couldn't be found (and modprobe didn't find it either). I guess there's something I need to do to register the module -- but what? I'd like to avoid having to recompile the kernel on this other machine. Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] YaST Software Management module not responding
On Thursday 08 March 2007 22:57, Tim Donnelly wrote: I'm curious though, I went back through the YaST log and still didn't see anything obvious, can you point out to me what said CD-ROM to you?Thanks Well, nothing directly, but the last line in the log reported a probe of the floppy drives, so I went to the yast source and checked, and the next thing that was supposed to happen after the floppy probe was the cdrom probe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Kernel Update questions
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 08:58:14PM -0500, Adam Jimerson wrote: I have a couple of questions about the Kernel 2.6.18.8-0.1 update, and being that this is only the second time that I have updated my Kernel on my system I don't know what is normal. I have openSUSE 10.2 on my system and the first time I updated my Kernel everything was straight forward and I had no questions. This time how ever grub no longer lists openSUSE 10.2 as a boot option, this time it lists this: openSUSE 10.2 (XEN) Windows Kernel-2.6.18.8-0.1-xen Kernel-2.6.18.8-0.1-default My fist question is: Should it be listing my Kernel instead of listing openSUSE, and if so then why didn't it do it on the last Kernel update? My second question is: Why is it still listing the old openSUSE 10.2 xen while there is a Kernel option for xen? I think you for your time, and I hope that some one knows what I am talking about and is able to give me some answers. What kernel did you install before? 2.6.18.8-0.1-default is the correct one if you are not using XEN. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Hint: ZMD Eating CPU/Disc
Gordon Ross skrev:
I've built several OpenSuSE 10.x machines, and on all of them, I've had
the fun of finding that at startup/login, the ZDM stuff just eats CPU
disc. On quiet PCs, the CPU fan has to work overtime just to support
the stuff, and on laptops, ZMD just eats disc I/O.
For a while, I just switched off ZMD. Then I decided to be a bit
cleverer. I altered the init script that starts zmd, and changed the
start command line to be /usr/bin/nice -n 19 ${ZMD_BIN} $ZMD_OPTIONS
Viola ! My quiet PC is now quiet, and my laptop now runs well at start
up.
Yes, ZMD takes a lot longer to sort itself out, but it no longer
affects me, and that makes me happy.
All I need to do now, is work out why ZMD takes so flipping long to
install patches regardless of it's NICEness... (come back YaST, all is
forgiven !)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but of all 10.2 setups I've made, the zmd
process always runs at nice level 19 out of the box. I've checked in
on about 50 installations now, and every one runs at 19, no edits made...
Anders.
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