Re: [opensuse-factory] What did you guys do to /etc/fstab?

2007-05-23 Thread M9.
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M9. schreef:

 Amarok works without libxine1, (which is not to find), thnx!!!
 

No, it is not. ;-(
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Re: [opensuse-factory] FYI: Freetype is broken in FACTORY

2007-05-23 Thread Andreas Jaeger
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 FYI: Current freetype in FACTORY is broken, use the version from Alpha4
 instead of updating,

The package checked in last night should fix everything,

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Re: [opensuse-factory] kernel update brake the boot

2007-05-23 Thread Andreas Jaeger
jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 You are probably already informed :-), but the last 10.2 kernel update
 brake the computer boot...

Did you install the new perl-bootloader as well?  If there are problems,
please open a bugreport with all details,


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...

2007-05-23 Thread peter nikolic
On Wednesday 23 May 2007, M9. wrote:

 I am just ready with the install of Alpha4...
 I changed everything i needed to:

 /boot from 30MB  100MB
 / , 1GB, same
 /usr, from 3.5  4GB
 /var ,1GB, same, but added:
 /var/lib, 1GB,(lib was the cause:400MB)
 /opt, 2.5GB same,
 /tmp, 2GB, was 3GB.
 swap, something like rest: about approx.374MB.
 /home, 20GB,
 /shared, 42GB.

 But LVM did not work for me, i added everything manualy with the other
 partitioner, simpeler for me...

 Now we'll see how long it lasts ;-)


Do i see a hangover from Slowaris there so many un-needed partitions just 
clutzing the system up and to what gain a nano second or so somewhere  is it 
really worth all the hassle of setting up  i dont think so .

What form of real time super computing are you doing that makes you think a 
nano second here and ther are that important  ? ..


Most Reiserfs problems that i have had have been down to faulty hardware  
cheap hard disk construction not meant to run 24/7 as these boxes here do 
hardware manafacturers have got the windBloZe state of mind these days boot 
the system type a letter shut the system down  need to do another letter 
reboot the system .


Pete .
 

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Re: [opensuse-factory] kernel update brake the boot

2007-05-23 Thread jdd

Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 09:45:53AM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


You are probably already informed :-), but the last 10.2 kernel update
brake the computer boot...

Did you install the new perl-bootloader as well?  If there are problems,
please open a bugreport with all details,


The new bootloader should have been pulled in automatically due to
Prerequires.

The perl-Bootloader just still has flaws.


I don't even know what is this about?

I installed 10.2 (box) and all updates. I had the same problem with 
the previous update, but couldn't report


The boot loader is GRUB, and thanks to it's boot console I could fix 
the problem


jdd


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Re: [opensuse-factory] kernel update brake the boot

2007-05-23 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Marcus Meissner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 09:45:53AM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
 jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  You are probably already informed :-), but the last 10.2 kernel update
  brake the computer boot...
 
 Did you install the new perl-bootloader as well?  If there are problems,
 please open a bugreport with all details,

 The new bootloader should have been pulled in automatically due to
 Prerequires.

 The perl-Bootloader just still has flaws.

Too bad - this means we need a bugreport and another round of testing
and fixing :-(

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[opensuse-factory] Alpha 4 DOS Partition ?

2007-05-23 Thread Günther J. Niederwimmer
Hello,

I can't install Alpha 4 on a System with a small (500MB) DOS Partition 
on /dev/sda1 ? The new installer like to resize the Partition. When I go to 
manual  partitioning I have only EVMS Drives, after reformat the DOS 
partition to a swap Partition I can install Alpha 4 and I found all my 
partition in YaST2 Partitioning ?

Is this a known Problem ?  
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Grub-entries, partitioning differences between 10.2 10.3.

2007-05-23 Thread M9.
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M9. schreef:
 I must say that it is very difficult to handle, because when an entry in
 grub does not work, because 10.2 reads different as 10.3, it is
 impossible to mount a 10.3 ext2 /boot partition, in the 10.2 partitioner.
 This way the working entry can not be copied, and placed into the grub.
 (and i do not know it from my head)
 So i have an unusable 10.3 sitting there..
 
 does someone know a hack to mount this partition anyway?

in the 10.2 grub is written: title openSUSE 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)
It is the second hdd, is called now /dev/sdb, or what?
then i know to call it /dev/sdd7, so it will work..

thnx

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Grub-entries, partitioning differences between 10.2 10.3.

2007-05-23 Thread Rajko M.
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:05, M9. wrote:
 M9. schreef:
  I must say that it is very difficult to handle, because when an entry in
  grub does not work, because 10.2 reads different as 10.3, it is
  impossible to mount a 10.3 ext2 /boot partition, in the 10.2 partitioner.
  This way the working entry can not be copied, and placed into the grub.
  (and i do not know it from my head)
  So i have an unusable 10.3 sitting there..
 
  does someone know a hack to mount this partition anyway?

 in the 10.2 grub is written: title openSUSE 10.3 (/dev/hdd7)
 It is the second hdd, is called now /dev/sdb, or what?
 then i know to call it /dev/sdd7, so it will work..

 thnx

Look in thread kernel update brake the boot by jdd from Tuesday.
My second mail offers solution how to boot 10.3 from 10.2 boot loader. 
It works here. 
  
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[opensuse] Cache Problem (I think)

2007-05-23 Thread Per Qvindesland


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[opensuse] apache2 with ssl and svn

2007-05-23 Thread Hans van der Merwe

I can get a lot of howtos for setting up the above on debian and ubuntu
- does anyone have a nice site for openSUSE 10.2?

ps. where can I get apache2-ssl-certificate, its not installed with
apache.





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[opensuse] Re: SSH Login Message

2007-05-23 Thread Joachim Schrod

Bob wrote:
I actually systems. The test one that I configure for LDAP a few months 
ago doesn't do this. It is the production one that does now so I can 
compared config files between the 2 systems. The syslog config on both 
systems are the same.


Nevertheless, try to comment out the four lines

destination console  { file(/dev/tty10group(tty) perm(0620)); };
log { source(src); filter(f_console); destination(console); };

destination xconsole { pipe(/dev/xconsole group(tty) perm(0400)); };
log { source(src); filter(f_console); destination(xconsole); };

in /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf, call rcsyslog reload, and see 
if that changes the situation. In an appliance, you don't need 
logging to consoles anyhow.


If you're on 10.[01], you might want to do an equivalent change to 
/etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf.in as well. Otherwise syslog upgrades 
may break. AFAIK, this is not necessary on 10.2.


Joachim

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[opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread Joachim Schrod

Fajar Priyanto wrote:


I do the same in Opensuse. But, the file created in the directory have the 
permission:
-rw-r--r-- 1 geecko sales 4 2007-05-23 09:17 filegeecko (notice the 
rw-r--r--). This permission makes other user in sales group cannot edit 
geecko's file. User geecko has to specifically set the permission to 664 on 
the file.


How do I achive the default umask inhereted from the parent directory? I read 
some suggestions from google to adjust the global default umask, but I think 
it's a bit risky, or is it the only way?


Phil answered your question how to enable the RH behavior by 
setting the umask globally.


If you don't want to do this, there is the possibility to use 
access control lists (ACLs); the default ACL determines the access 
right of newly created files.


I don't know if the global umask setting is sufficient for you, so 
I stop here with the explanation; ask, if you need more info.


But note: both methods don't support changing the access rights of 
files that are created elsewhere, e.g., in a personal directory, 
and moved to the shared directory. (That's because moving doesn't 
create a file, it just changes the directory entry. (Reality is 
even more complex, but hopefully you'll see what I mean.))


Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Onsdag 23 maj 2007 09:49 skrev Joachim Schrod:
 Fajar Priyanto wrote:
  I do the same in Opensuse. But, the file created in the directory have
  the permission:
  -rw-r--r-- 1 geecko sales 4 2007-05-23 09:17 filegeecko (notice the
  rw-r--r--). This permission makes other user in sales group cannot edit
  geecko's file. User geecko has to specifically set the permission to 664
  on the file.
 
  How do I achive the default umask inhereted from the parent directory? I
  read some suggestions from google to adjust the global default umask, but
  I think it's a bit risky, or is it the only way?

 Phil answered your question how to enable the RH behavior by
 setting the umask globally.

 If you don't want to do this, there is the possibility to use
 access control lists (ACLs); the default ACL determines the access
 right of newly created files.

 I don't know if the global umask setting is sufficient for you, so
 I stop here with the explanation; ask, if you need more info.

 But note: both methods don't support changing the access rights of
 files that are created elsewhere, e.g., in a personal directory,
 and moved to the shared directory. (That's because moving doesn't
 create a file, it just changes the directory entry. (Reality is
 even more complex, but hopefully you'll see what I mean.))

   Joachim

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Hi,

perhaps I don't understand your problem, but could you not just put

umask 002 (or whatever you desire) into

.bashrc in the /home/geecko directory?



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Re: [opensuse] User loses GNOME desktop (SuSE 10.0)

2007-05-23 Thread john
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 08:47 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote:
 On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 16:49 +1200, john wrote:
  On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 21:52 -0600, Pueblo Native wrote:
   john wrote:
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 21:39 -0400, James Knott wrote:
  
John O'Gorman wrote:

One user has a corrupted GNOME desktop.
When he logs in, about 3 icons show, no task bar, no menus.
Lots of error dialogue boxes pop up.
   
Dozens of error messages:
GConf Error: Adding client to server's l;ist failed, CORBA error:
IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0
   
The book suggested renaning .gconf and .gnome2 (actually misprinted
as ./gconf and ./gnome2). I did this. When the user logged in again, 
no
change.
   
All other users are OK.
I added another user - OK also.
   
This is not a show-stopper as he can use KDE instead and that still
works.
   
OS is SuSE 10.0. All the users are logging in on thin clients (LTSP
Linux Terminal Server Project) which have worked fine for 5 years.
   
  
  
If he deletes the directories containing the gnome stuff and logs in
with gnome, he should be OK, though he'll have lost all his settings.

   
That's what I thought we had done by mv'ing .gconf and .gnome2
I also mv'ed .gnome
The dirs all got rebuilt but the bug remained.
There must be some other dirs as well. Does anyone know what they are?
   
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   How about .xinitrc?
   And this sounds a bit extreme, but on the presumption that this is the
   only user being affected, have you thought about tarballing his
   directory, deleting, and adding him again?
  Gulp yes!
  
  He has a vast amount of stuff (already safely squirreled away in another
  directory. I have shrunk from recreating him as a new user as I would
  then be left with the task of deciding how to selectively restore his
  old files.
  If you people cannot come up with a better notion, that is probably my
  next step.
 
 Try removing any /tmp/gconfd-user and /tmp/orbit-user files and see
 what happens.
That worked!

Our most grateful thanks to you.

That little speck of gold made it worth my while to put up with the
irrelevant abuse that poisons this list.

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Re: [opensuse] Enlightenment e17 and e16

2007-05-23 Thread G T Smith
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Rafael E. Herrera wrote:
 G T Smith wrote:
 In attempting to get hold of something to edit my enlightenment menus I
 accidentally torched my e16 installation. It was easy enough to restore
 the e16 setup, but it seems the e17 (from Pacman) rpm a) does not
 install e17 completely correctly, b) removes the e16 installation.
 
 The Suse enlightenment package installs its config files in ~/.enlightenment;
 the packman e16 package stores them in ~/.e16; the e17 package goes into ~/.e
 
 According to the enlightenment site e16 and e17 can coexist, Has anyone
 got these to co-exist on SuSE? If so how? I would prefer not to
 re-invent the wheel...
 
 so, from above, you don't have to do anything to get them to coexist.
 

Err this is not quite what happened

YaST installed e17 as a dependency of something else ( at the time was
to busy swearing to figure out exactly what because I knew something was
awry when it started to install the 16.99 rpm. ) Immediately after
the install e16 became non-functional and it was only by luck that a
that there was functioning terminal with which to force a restart. After
which e16 was no longer available as a window manager, and e17 would not
do anything other than load a complaint about how it was being loaded.

The local configuration directory was not touched, but it was fairly
clear that some core elements of e16 had been removed or replaced.

At the time all I wanted to do was locate e16menuedit2 so I could tidy
up the menu a bit. This does not seem to be part of the standard
distribution, and the source code when I located it seems to be about 3
years old so I have a feeling that building this one is going to be one
of lifes more intriguing experiences.

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[opensuse] Suse 10 strange cd burn problem

2007-05-23 Thread Francesco Scaglioni
Hi,

I can burn CDs fine on this suse 10 machine using eg
gnomebaker.  If I fire up K3b and try and burn it errors out
with a no disc space message, yet k3b itself also reports 2+
gigs of free space.

Any suggestions most welcome.

TIA

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Re: [opensuse] What's the point with 64 bit

2007-05-23 Thread Billie Erin Walsh
Tom Miller wrote:
 Pueblo Native wrote:
 it seems that almost everybody I've talked to has advised me not to go
 with the 64 bit version of OpenSuse because there really is no speed
 advantage (if that's not good advice I'd like to hear otherwise).  So
 then, if there is no speed advantage, what's the point in even having a
 64 bit processor right now?
   
 If you only have 2 gig of memory, 32bit will be faster.



It may just be my imagination, but x86-64 seems to be faster on my dual
core 3.2GHz with 1 G memory. It seems to me that the place I notice it
most is in Yast2 when it's refreshing the install repo's. It seems to
process the information faster. Everything else seems to go just a bit
faster, but Yast2 is where I notice it most.

As I said, it may just be my imagination. However, I wouldn't hesitate
to load it with just one Gig memory.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:49, Joachim Schrod wrote:
 Phil answered your question how to enable the RH behavior by
 setting the umask globally.

 If you don't want to do this, there is the possibility to use
 access control lists (ACLs); the default ACL determines the access
 right of newly created files.

 I don't know if the global umask setting is sufficient for you, so
 I stop here with the explanation; ask, if you need more info.

 But note: both methods don't support changing the access rights of
 files that are created elsewhere, e.g., in a personal directory,
 and moved to the shared directory. (That's because moving doesn't
 create a file, it just changes the directory entry. (Reality is
 even more complex, but hopefully you'll see what I mean.))

Hi Joachim,
Do you know where I can set the umask globally in Suse?

However, I don't think setting up the umask globally would be as safe as in 
RH, because Suse doesn't use the concept of UPG (user private group). So, if 
I set the umask globally, then it means every user can access those files and 
directory in the test directory.

You mean ACL as in extended ACL from setfacl?

I think I can try create the UPG situation like in RH, but it means I have 
to remove all related users from the 'user' group. Not practical.

Or, after some browsing on /etc/apparmor directory, I think it's possible to 
set the umask for the 'test' directory and files.

I'm not sure.
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Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?

2007-05-23 Thread James Knott
Kenneth Schneider wrote:
 On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 15:35 -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote:
   
 I need to use my laptops serial port, to connect via serial cable to
 cisco switches, fiber channel switches, etc 

 I found reference to gtkterm, but there does not appear to be an RPM
 for it, and I'm just wondering whether there is a util that comes
 with suse distros?

 Peter
 

 I always used seyon to connect to the Cisco equipment. Worked very well
 every time. The tty would most likely be ttyS0.

   
I've used minicom many times too.  Works well.



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Re: [opensuse] What's the point with 64 bit

2007-05-23 Thread James Knott
Tom Miller wrote:

 The reason that 32bit is faster is it only has to pass around 32 bit
 pointers vs 64 bit pointers.
 On the other hand, the faster memory handling above 2 GB with 64bit OS
 makes up the difference .


Given that data is transferred in parallel, that is all bits at the same
time, how does it take longer to transfer 64 bits?


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Re: [opensuse] Cache Problem (I think)

2007-05-23 Thread James Knott
Per Qvindesland wrote:

Is there some reason why you encrypted a message to the list?  I can't
read it, without the appropriate PGP key.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread James Knott
Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:49, Joachim Schrod wrote:
   
 Phil answered your question how to enable the RH behavior by
 setting the umask globally.

 If you don't want to do this, there is the possibility to use
 access control lists (ACLs); the default ACL determines the access
 right of newly created files.

 I don't know if the global umask setting is sufficient for you, so
 I stop here with the explanation; ask, if you need more info.

 But note: both methods don't support changing the access rights of
 files that are created elsewhere, e.g., in a personal directory,
 and moved to the shared directory. (That's because moving doesn't
 create a file, it just changes the directory entry. (Reality is
 even more complex, but hopefully you'll see what I mean.))
 

 Hi Joachim,
 Do you know where I can set the umask globally in Suse?

 However, I don't think setting up the umask globally would be as safe as in 
 RH, because Suse doesn't use the concept of UPG (user private group). So, if 
 I set the umask globally, then it means every user can access those files and 
 directory in the test directory.

   

You can create private groups manually, when you create a user. 
However, I agree that the current SUSE configuration, where anyone can
read personal folders is bizarre.  It's beyond belief that SUSE would
combine a common users group with such a default mask.


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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10 strange cd burn problem

2007-05-23 Thread Fajar Priyanto
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 17:12, Francesco Scaglioni wrote:
 Hi,
 I can burn CDs fine on this suse 10 machine using eg
 gnomebaker.  If I fire up K3b and try and burn it errors out
 with a no disc space message, yet k3b itself also reports 2+
 gigs of free space.

Sorry for not answering, I think I just bumped the wall too this morning by 
burning a DVD iso using k3b. The process ran smoothly. No error or whatsoever 
reported. The DVD ejected automatically after finish. But then when I insert 
it into the drive, Opensuse thinks that it's an empty DVD, whereas it's not. 
I can see the burned side of the DVD, and confirm it by trying to burn it 
again using k3b. It refuses.

Well, I have been using k3b for a long time with ups and downs. Looks like I'm 
on the down again.

PS. the k3b version is: k3b-0.12.17-31

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread Joe Morris (NTM)
Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 Hi Joachim,
 Do you know where I can set the umask globally in Suse?
   
Do you mean for new users?  Try Yast, Security and Users, User
Management, Expert Options, Default for New Users, Umask for Home Directory.


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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10 strange cd burn problem

2007-05-23 Thread BandiPat
On Wednesday 23 May 2007, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 May 2007 17:12, Francesco Scaglioni wrote:
  Hi,
  I can burn CDs fine on this suse 10 machine using eg
  gnomebaker.  If I fire up K3b and try and burn it errors out
  with a no disc space message, yet k3b itself also reports 2+
  gigs of free space.

 Sorry for not answering, I think I just bumped the wall too this
 morning by burning a DVD iso using k3b. The process ran smoothly. No
 error or whatsoever reported. The DVD ejected automatically after
 finish. But then when I insert it into the drive, Opensuse thinks
 that it's an empty DVD, whereas it's not. I can see the burned side
 of the DVD, and confirm it by trying to burn it again using k3b. It
 refuses.

 Well, I have been using k3b for a long time with ups and downs. Looks
 like I'm on the down again.

 PS. the k3b version is: k3b-0.12.17-31


Just in case you guys didn't realize, k3b is unlikely to be at fault 
here!  K3b  gnomebaker are only the gui frontends to the programs 
actually being used.  You might want to check to see if you can burn 
successfully from the terminal using the wodim programs supplied.  
These are the forks from the cdrecord tools presently being used by 
SuSE.  You also may want to update to the newer version k3b, 1.x 
available from SuSE or Packman.  It has many new features  fixes.

regards,
Lee
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[opensuse] gsat compile errors

2007-05-23 Thread Hans van der Merwe

Im trying to get gsat compiled on 10.2.
I get:

make[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/src/predict-2.2.3/clients/gsat-1.1.0/src'
gcc  -g -O2 -Wall  -o gsat  main.o support.o interface.o callbacks.o
comms.o plugins.o db.o prefs.o -L/opt/gnome/lib -lgtk -lgdk -rdynamic
-lgmodule -lglib -ldl -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm
/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld:
errno: TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS
reference in callbacks.o
/lib/libc.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [gsat] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/predict-2.2.3/clients/gsat-1.1.0/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/predict-2.2.3/clients/gsat-1.1.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2





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[opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread Jonathan Arnold
Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 Hi all,
 Most of the time I administer Redhat server. However, recently I spend more 
 and more time exploring Opensuse.
 
 There's one thing that I don't get it yet regarding sgid and umask in 
 Opensuse.
 
 In RH, when I create a directory say 'test', chmod it 3770. It will look like 
 this:
 drwxrws--T 2 root sales 4096 2007-05-23 08:16 test
 Then, when I create a file inside the directory, it will have permission like 
 this:
 -rw-rw-r-- 1 geecko sales 4 2007-05-23 09:14 filegeecko (notice the 
 rw-rw-r--).

I just tried this on both RedHat 3  4 and don't see this. I think it just
has to do with whatever your umask is for the user 'geecko'.  This can be
set in a bunch of different places, and usually has a default value assigned
in a few places, but can always be changed by the user.  In your case, your
umask is 002, while in other places, like the default umask for openSUSE, it
is 022. You can see what the umask is via the 'umask' command.

 I do the same in Opensuse. But, the file created in the directory have the 
 permission:
 -rw-r--r-- 1 geecko sales 4 2007-05-23 09:17 filegeecko (notice the 
 rw-r--r--). This permission makes other user in sales group cannot edit 
 geecko's file. User geecko has to specifically set the permission to 664 on 
 the file.
 
 How do I achive the default umask inhereted from the parent directory? I read 
 some suggestions from google to adjust the global default umask, but I think 
 it's a bit risky, or is it the only way?

This isn't possible under standard Linux usage. Files and the like don't inherit
properties from directories, save in the special case you are doing here, which
is setting the setguid bit on a directory, which means by default, files created
are in the directory's group. You can set the default umask, but it can be
overridden by a user. If you want user 'geecko' to create these group writable
files, just change the umask in geecko's .bash_profile or .bashrc file:

umask 0002

As mentioned, ACLs could probably fix this too, but those are necessarily 
enabled
on every filesystem.

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[opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread Jonathan Arnold
James Knott wrote:
 Fajar Priyanto wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:49, Joachim Schrod wrote:
   
 Phil answered your question how to enable the RH behavior by
 setting the umask globally.

 If you don't want to do this, there is the possibility to use
 access control lists (ACLs); the default ACL determines the access
 right of newly created files.

 I don't know if the global umask setting is sufficient for you, so
 I stop here with the explanation; ask, if you need more info.

 But note: both methods don't support changing the access rights of
 files that are created elsewhere, e.g., in a personal directory,
 and moved to the shared directory. (That's because moving doesn't
 create a file, it just changes the directory entry. (Reality is
 even more complex, but hopefully you'll see what I mean.))
 
 Hi Joachim,
 Do you know where I can set the umask globally in Suse?

 However, I don't think setting up the umask globally would be as safe as 
 in 
 RH, because Suse doesn't use the concept of UPG (user private group). So, if 
 I set the umask globally, then it means every user can access those files 
 and 
 directory in the test directory.

   
 
 You can create private groups manually, when you create a user. 
 However, I agree that the current SUSE configuration, where anyone can
 read personal folders is bizarre.  It's beyond belief that SUSE would
 combine a common users group with such a default mask.

Yes, you're right. The combination of a default umask of 022 and a generic
user group of 'users' is pretty insecure. Is there a bug about this?

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Re: [opensuse] What's the point with 64 bit

2007-05-23 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 04:11, James Knott wrote:
 Tom Miller wrote:
  The reason that 32bit is faster is it only has to pass around 32
  bit pointers vs 64 bit pointers.
  On the other hand, the faster memory handling above 2 GB with 64bit
  OS makes up the difference .

 Given that data is transferred in parallel, that is all bits at the
 same time, how does it take longer to transfer 64 bits?

Because fewer of the data units that the program requests can be 
transferred per unit time when the program is sequentially accessing 
word-sized units, which is a very common case and one the the things 
caches and fetch-ahead mechanisms serve to accelerate.


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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10 strange cd burn problem

2007-05-23 Thread Jan Tiggy
BandiPat schrieb:

 Just in case you guys didn't realize, k3b is unlikely to be at fault 
 here!  K3b  gnomebaker are only the gui frontends to the programs 
 actually being used.

Well, I do realize it. Wodim, cdrdao and growisofs are working perfectly
here. However k3b does not. How does it fit your Theory?
I don't use gnome. K3b has its ups and downs, thus I stick to the shell.

 You might want to check to see if you can burn 
 successfully from the terminal using the wodim programs supplied.  
 These are the forks from the cdrecord tools presently being used by 
 SuSE.  You also may want to update to the newer version k3b, 1.x 
 available from SuSE or Packman.  It has many new features  fixes.

Did SUSE switch from cdrecord to wodim for the 10.0 release?

The only reason I switched from 10.0 to SLED and then to 10.2 was the
burning problem. Back there even in the CLI.

Thx
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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with syslog-ng syntax

2007-05-23 Thread Registration Account
Bugger. Every which way I enter it
1. As is
2. Nominating the IP as either 0.0.0.0 or localhost or (PC to where data
is being sent IP) (device IP)

The error is always the same on re-start

What ever line the source...etc. is on will not parse and the file
will not load.

Please don't spend any more time on this. There are so many other than
need your help.

I have subscribed to support community email for developers syslog-ng at
http://www.balabit.com/.

If ever I work it out I will send you a quick not as to why what appears
perfect in my and your logic - and follows the documentation to the
letter does not work as simply as it should - as the doc tells us.

Good luck and I keep you in thought and thanks for your time.
Scott :-[

Darryl Gregorash wrote:
 On 2007-05-22 17:43, Registration Account wrote:
   
 Darryl I tested yesterday with the space and there is no difference.

 I did however make some progress with the following

 source src { unix-stream(/var/log/skot); internal(); udp(ip(0.0.0.0)
 port(514)); };
   
 
 That is definitely not right. Your source is the udp port only, and the
 file /var/log/skot is not a Unix stream.

 You definitely do not want to include the UDP source in the one that
 comes in the .conf file, because you wish to have separate output. Make
 your own source, it is much easier (you don't have to create any filters
 this way):

 1. remove the udp stuff from source src .

 2. then add the following three into the .conf file:

 source my_src { udp(ip(0.0.0.0) port 514); };

 (Note here that you can bind this to a specific device, if that device
 will have a fixed IP.)

 destination my_dest { file(/var/log/skot ); };
 log { source(my_src); destination(my_dest); };

 3. finally, as root rcsyslog reload


   


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Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?

2007-05-23 Thread Peter Van Lone

On 5/22/07, Kenneth Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I always used seyon to connect to the Cisco equipment. Worked very well
every time. The tty would most likely be ttyS0.



how do I know (confirm) that ttys0 is the serial port? I don't have my
cable handy (or a device to connect to) and yet, I'd like to confirm
that all works before I need it.

Minicom gives me an error when I configure /dev/ttys0 as the device
... I haven't been able to figure out yet how to get seyon configured.

P
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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with syslog-ng syntax

2007-05-23 Thread Registration Account
S O L V E D !

Thanks to all who participated  especially Darryl - The answer was
staring me in the face all the time. At the very top of the file gives
the clue

All that is required is simply
source src  {internal(); udp(ip(0.0.0.0) port(514)); };

This line is present in PC IP that receives the data and without a
destination will default to the system log messages

Open KSystem Log - Default log is the system or messages file - The data
is all present and changes before my eyes.

We all did it and personally I would like to know if anyone has success
in creating an additional source. I really don't believe its possible.
Good Night All 00:27
Scott


Registration Account wrote:
 I want to build a Syslog Server. I have a Linux Log file viewer so most
 of the work is done. http://www.kiwisyslog.com/log-viewer-v2-beta-info.htm
 I needs syslog-ng to listen to UDP/514 and write a continuous file on
 the information it hears. Fortunately I do not need any log rotation as
 the file is only text base and although it has the potential to reach
 large sizes I can deal with a lot of space.
 Syslog-ng appears to have many config files and I am not sure which to
 modify.
 Can anyone assist me with this short line of syntax, given the above
 Linux Log file's ability to display the file as it changes and the
 various parameters it uses, some of which I understand but not all.
 The ability to NOT have to maintain a M$ PC just to be a Syslog +daemon
 would be a breakthrough for so many sysop's who require real time syslog
 data.
 Data from my multiple IDS's is sent to my current M$ Windows
 Syslog+Daemon, however I do have a large Linux IDS Management Module
 that does number crunching, provides warnings and reports but cannot
 display the data in realtime. Syslog data is sent to UDP/514 to
 Facility's numbering Local 0-7. The text stream looks something like

 [2007-04-21 17:31:55] 6EFW: ALG: prio=1 algmod=http algsesid=70500
 action=close reason=backlisted_url
 url=www.download.windowsupdate.com/msdownload/update/v3-19990518/ca
 peer=client connipproto=TCP connrecvif=LAN connsrcip=192.168.100.40
 connsrcport=3767 conndestif=core conndestip=202.158.212.136
 conndestport=80 origsent=364 termsent=84

 Where the number enclosed by   is equal to

 0   Emergency: system is unusable
 1   Alert: action must be taken immediately
 2   Critical: critical conditions
 3   Error: error conditions
 4   Warning: warning conditions
 5   Notice: normal but significant condition
 6   Informational: informational messages
 7   Debug: debug-level message

 If anyone is really board and wants to learn about the convention there is a 
 short war and piece version at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3164.html

 Dont worry about understand the text, thats my job. I just offer it as
 an example for delineation purposes.

 I know this is a big ask, but no one but no one currently produces as
 Linux Syslog Daemon + Log Viewer.
 In my reading of my 2000 page into to C++, I have only got to page 95
 and I know this is a 3 line entry into a config.
 Please tell me if I ask too much.

 Many thanks if anyone can assist.

 Scott :'(

   


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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-23 Thread Jim Flanagan
S Glasoe wrote:
 On Tuesday May 22 2007 11:18:59 am Jim Flanagan wrote:
   
 I did not delete ~/.kde or /tmp before reinstalling KDE. Thats a good
 idea. I think I'll delete /etc/X11 as well.
 

 Don't know if deleting /etc/X11at the same time is a good idea. I'd save that 
 for a next step.

   
 Existing other users and a new user experience the same problems.

 This may or may not be related, but clicking on My Computer on the
 desktop returns this error:
An error occurred while loading sysinfo:/:
Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_sysinfo'.

 Jim F
 

 kio_sysinfo is provided by kdebase3-SuSE-10.2-x.y.rpm I believe. Maybe you 
 are 
 missing more than a few KDE rpms. Possibly select almost everything in YaST, 
 Software Management that starts with KDE* instead of going for package 
 groups may load the missing rpms.
   
I looked thru my packages, and don't see any KDE stuff to add that might
help, only stuff like languages, arts, toys, etc. I tried uninstalling
kdebase3-SuSE and reinstalling that, but no change. I will try adding
some more KDE packages just in case.

For information sake, how do you tell a certain file is needed or
supplied by a certain package, such as kio_sysinfo belonging to kdebase3-?

Many thanks,

Jim F
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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-23 Thread Jim Flanagan
BandiPat wrote:
 On Monday 21 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
   
 ===

 Ok, it sounds like you did not turn on 3D while in sax2 then.  It's
 possible that your screensavers are zonked, but more than likely, I
 would guess that you failed to accomplish everything while in sax2.
  If you do glxinfo from the shell, do you see direct rendering =
 yes there?  If it's no then guess what?  Yep, 3d is not turned on
 and you need to go back into sax2 to take care of that.  I'm
 guessing you are trying to run a 3D screensaver when you get the
 error?

  
   
 No, I did not turn on 3D in sax, but the screensaver is not 3D
 either. I'll have to wait until later in the day to work on this
 again, but I did not see how to enable 3D in sax. There is a check
 box, but it was greyed out. Is there another command in sax that will
 enable this?

 Many thanks,

 Jim F
 

 
 Jim,
 I'm not close to a SuSE machine at the moment and haven't used sax2 in a 
 long time, but there should be a check box for 3d.  Did you check to be 
 sure the card is correct and it chose the right monitor+settings?  If 
 all that is correct, the 3d should come available to you.  If not, you 
 can always edit the xorg.conf file to set it on.

 Section Module
   Load glx
   Load type1
   Load extmod
   Load dbe
   Load freetype
   Load v4l
   Load dri
 EndSection

 That's the section you want to look about.  Compare it to your xorg.conf 
 and make the necessary changes.  Be sure to restart X after making the 
 changes, then try your glxinfo again for direct rendering.

 regards,
 Lee
   
Hi Lee,

My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the dri. The others are
there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not added
dri yet, should I?

Sax2 is detecting my 9800 Pro as R350 NH. I believe that is correct. The
3D box is grayed out, don't have access to it.  I do have a spare 9200
laying around that I could throw in this machine if that would help, but
from what you indicated the 9800 Pro should work well with the default
drivers. With the default install I was only getting about 23fps in
glxgears, way too slow for this card. That is why I was trying to
install the ATI drivers. Since then I can't run either glxgears or
fglrxgears. And other stuff is not right, like screensaver.

Many thanks,

Jim F


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Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?

2007-05-23 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 09:28 -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote:
 On 5/22/07, Kenneth Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  I always used seyon to connect to the Cisco equipment. Worked very well
  every time. The tty would most likely be ttyS0.
 
 
 how do I know (confirm) that ttys0 is the serial port?

dmesg|grep tty

should show which serial ports are available. ttyS0 is the first serial
port in linux.

  I don't have my
 cable handy (or a device to connect to) and yet, I'd like to confirm
 that all works before I need it.

The _only_ way to confirm is by using it. I'm sorry to say that _nobody_
on this list has a working crystal ball to gaze into to give you an
answer.

 
 Minicom gives me an error when I configure /dev/ttys0 as the device
 ... I haven't been able to figure out yet how to get seyon configured.
 

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Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?

2007-05-23 Thread Peter Van Lone

On 5/22/07, Kenneth Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I always used seyon to connect to the Cisco equipment. Worked very well
every time. The tty would most likely be ttyS0.


when I try screen (now, with a serial cable connected to a device):

screen /dev/ttys0 9600

I get an error saying:cannot open /dev/ttys0 Sorry, could not find a PTY
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Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?

2007-05-23 Thread Peter Van Lone

On 5/23/07, Kenneth Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



dmesg|grep tty



that was helpful, thank you. I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ dmesg |grep tty
serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
00:02: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

so theoretically that should work with minicom ... but it tells me:

minicom: cannot open /dev/ttys0: Input/output error

so, perhaps a bad cable? This gets me something to work on, anyway.

Thnx again

P
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Re: [opensuse] Suse 10 strange cd burn problem

2007-05-23 Thread BandiPat
On Wednesday 23 May 2007, Jan Tiggy wrote:
 BandiPat schrieb:
  Just in case you guys didn't realize, k3b is unlikely to be at
  fault here!  K3b  gnomebaker are only the gui frontends to the
  programs actually being used.

 Well, I do realize it. Wodim, cdrdao and growisofs are working
 perfectly here. However k3b does not. How does it fit your Theory?
 I don't use gnome. K3b has its ups and downs, thus I stick to the
 shell.

  You might want to check to see if you can burn
  successfully from the terminal using the wodim programs supplied.
  These are the forks from the cdrecord tools presently being used by
  SuSE.  You also may want to update to the newer version k3b, 1.x
  available from SuSE or Packman.  It has many new features  fixes.

 Did SUSE switch from cdrecord to wodim for the 10.0 release?

 The only reason I switched from 10.0 to SLED and then to 10.2 was the
 burning problem. Back there even in the CLI.

 Thx
 Jan

==
I don't remember when SuSE switched, it was 10.0 or 10.1, but you can 
easily check.  Just check to see if cdrecord, etc are symlinks to the 
new wodim files.

It may be that you just need to update k3b to the new version  Are you 
running a new kernel?  2.19 or above?  If so, you should absolutely 
update k3b.  Gnomebaker is not as elegant a program as k3b, but it 
works well in either gnome or kde.  K3b has always been reliable for 
me.  There have been some oops along the way, but if it burns to 
success, then I always got a good cd from it.

regards,
Lee
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Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?

2007-05-23 Thread Joe Morris (NTM)
Peter Van Lone wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ dmesg |grep tty
 serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
 00:02: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

 so theoretically that should work with minicom ... but it tells me:

 minicom: cannot open /dev/ttys0: Input/output error
Was that a typo, or did you actually use ttyS0.  ttys0 is not the same.


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Re: [opensuse] Mounting windows share with CIFS

2007-05-23 Thread chika
hello,

get the update first just like mine(get the *.patch.rpm only for efficiency)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -qa|grep samba
yast2-samba-client-2.14.4-3
samba-winbind-3.0.23d-19.5
yast2-samba-server-2.14.3-10
kdebase3-samba-3.5.5-78
samba-doc-3.0.23d-6
samba-client-3.0.23d-19.5
samba-3.0.23d-19.5
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~

then try this(i've 2003 box too)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ sudo mount //10.126.12.50/C$ mount/ntfs/ -o username=chika
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ cd mount/ntfs/
(it takes a little longer)
OR this one .
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/mount sudo mount.cifs //10.126.12.50/C$ ntfs/ -o
username=chika
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/mount cd ntfs/

u can give this way as your new method(it is fastest)
enter this on Location @ your konqueror(it based on reliable smbclient)
smb://10.126.12.50/C$

thanks for waiting my info.


cheers,


chika






 I have an OpenSUSE 10.2 box that about a month ago I was able to use
 to mount a windows share (win2k3 AD server) using the typical mount -t
 cifs -o user=name etc. However, today when I do this I get the
 following:

 porsche:~ # mount -t cifs -o user=testuser //ferrari/d$
 /home/testuser/homedir/
 mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //ferrari/d$,
missing codepage or other error
In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
dmesg | tail  or so

 porsche:~ # dmesg | tail

  CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22
  CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22
  CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22
  CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22

 I've done the google search but no help. Any idea what the problem is?
 Seems strange that it would work a little while ago and not now. This
 is a pretty static box. Not many changes made to this machine.

 Any help would be appreciated.

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[opensuse] Unable to connect to catalogue

2007-05-23 Thread Paul Tomkins

Hi

I have a clean install of OpenSuse 10.2 which I installed from the 5 
CD's I downloaded from the OpenSuse web site. My internet connection is 
through a ADSL router which I connect to with an ethernet cable which I 
share with a Windows computer.


The install went perfectly with the exception of the Test Internet 
Connection to download the release notes section. This test failed even 
though the router was on and the ethernet was connected (the Windows 
computer was connected through the same router at the same time).


Having booted into KDE, I opened Konqueror and was able to connect to 
the internet automatically without having to fill out the DSL section in 
Yast. However, the Installation Source section consistently refuses to 
allow me to add a new a new catalogue.


I have tried numerous different servers and directories. I keep getting 
the same message box:


Unable to create installation source from URL path
Details: Unknown source type for path
Try again?

where path is filed out with the latest server and directory attempt.

Adding the catalogue from command-line using 'rug' also does not work.

Any clues?

Thank you.

Paul
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Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?

2007-05-23 Thread Peter Van Lone

On 5/23/07, Joe Morris (NTM) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Was that a typo, or did you actually use ttyS0.  ttys0 is not the same.


funny, I was wondering that. When I first tried to config the serial
port in minicom, it flipped the S to s ...  so I figured maybe it
needed to be lower case. Now, I see though, that I must have hit a
stray key, or something, because now it keeps it, and NOW it appears
that minicom likes the serial port.

Thnx, good catch!

(now, I need to find a cable ...)
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[opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread Kai Ponte
Okay, just for everyone's knowledge, Vista has this annoying habit of
asking if I want to save a password. On my sites, I have several with
similar domains and differnt passwords. Vista mucks them up.

This - plus an annoying habit of locking up on a regular basis -
decided me that I'd just simply go with SUSE 10.2 and create a VMWare
XP machine. So, last night I painlessly installed 10.2 on my laptop
(which went flawlessley) and am now up on KDE. Even my multimedia keys
are recognized!!

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20070523_102_desktop.jpg

Okay, one problem. It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of
the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much
do nothing but power off. EXT3 - which I noticed replaced reiser -
seems to handle things just fine, but what may be going on?

How can I diagnose this?


Second question - since this is a dual core (Centrino Duo 2.0 GHz)
system, shouldn't I be using a SMP kernel? I notice that the kernel
used is 2.6.18.8.0.3-default i686


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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard with buttons

2007-05-23 Thread Chris Arnold


-Original Message-
From: M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: opensuse@opensuse.org
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:36:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Keyboard with buttons

On Tuesday 22 May 2007 20:20, Chris Arnold wrote:
 Kernel see the strokes and all is well, except, in control center, i do not
 see where to map the numbers to the buttons. I looked in the keyboard
 applet and i was able to map the vol buttons in the shortcuts applet.
 Where exactly do i map the browser buttons to the browser? Thanks again for
 the help
Assuming the kernel has the keys mapped, AND xev shows a valid keysym 
for 
each key  please check with this:

from a terminal konsole on your desktop, enter:

xev | grep -i keysym

Now, press the key you are interested in and then move your mouse over 
the 
xev window and the keysym data should appear in your terminal window.  If the 
key has a valid keysym for the scancode, then no problem.  Otherwise you will 
need to bind a keysym to the scancode with xmodmap.  In your home directory 
you simply create a file called  .Xmodmap  with the entries you need--- for 
instance:   (these are just examples, yours will be different)
keycode 223 = XF86LogOff
keycode 233 = XF86Forward
keycode 234 = XF86Back
etc

Then you make them available with:

xmodmap  .Xmodmap  ===please notice the dot in the name

You can look at the keysym database  /usr/X11R6/X11/XKeysymDB  for 
valid 
symbols that you can bind.

After you add the entries to your  .Xmodmap  file in your home 
directory, and 
run   xmodmap .Xmodmap,   then test your keysym entries by running the xev 
experiment again... this time you should see the keycode and the keysym 
binding.

You are now ready to have KDE do something with the keysym bindings.  
You do 
this within the Control Center using the following directions:

Pull up the appropriate control center panel with :

SUSE === Control Center === Regional  Accessibility === Hotkeys

1) Create an action group name based on your keyboard... mine is a 
Dynex 
internet keyboard... so I just called my new group  Dynex.
2) Create an action subgroup under that for Firefox
(you can have many groups and subgroups, like one for 
Thunderbird)
3) Under Firefox create a K-menu Entry simple
a) call it  search(no quotes)  (it will be used to start 
firefox)
b) click keyboard shortcut... and press the button on your 
keyboard for 
starting firefox... the keysym bound for that button will fill in the 
shortcut box... we're almost done
c) click menu entry   (it will contain the program name)  and 
enter  
firefox  (no quotes)  in the field
d) click   Apply

4) [ let's do another one for the forward button ]
4) Under Firefox group create a  Keyboard Shortcut Keyboard Input  
simple
a) call it page forward   (no quotes)
b) click keyboard shortcut and press the forward multimedia key 
on your 
keyboard to fill in the shortcut keysym binding
c) click keyboard Input Settings and make the keyboard input  
Alt+Right  and 
send input to active window 
d) click  Apply


Simply repeat these instructions for as many keys as you want to 
define 
all 19 keys on my Dynex are configured to do something... 

keep in mind that these bindings only work while kde is up and 
running...   
for instance,  I have a key that ejects my cdrom (and also closes it) from 
the keyboard... but I cannot use that button to open the cdrom door from my 
black screen consoles... nor does it work in run level 3.  Of course the 
keyboard can be mapped for run level 3 also... but that is another story.

Also,  the keyboard shortcuts for the apps you are configuring must be 
known 
to you... for instance you must know that  Alt+Right  is the page forward in 
Firefox. 

The first few of these you dink around with will be a little confusing, 
but 
after you do a couple you'll have the whole keyboard mapped in no time.

Caveat:  If you're using gnome, consider using KDE just kidding... there 
is probably a way to do this same thing in gnome... but I don't have a clue 
how because... I don't use gnome...   :)

Have lots of fun.








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Great directions but i am using gnome :) Anyone know how to do this in gnome?


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Re: [opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread James Knott

James Knott wrote:

Fajar Priyanto wrote:

On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:49, Joachim Schrod wrote:
 

Phil answered your question how to enable the RH behavior by
setting the umask globally.

If you don't want to do this, there is the possibility to use
access control lists (ACLs); the default ACL determines the access
right of newly created files.

I don't know if the global umask setting is sufficient for you, so
I stop here with the explanation; ask, if you need more info.

But note: both methods don't support changing the access rights of
files that are created elsewhere, e.g., in a personal directory,
and moved to the shared directory. (That's because moving doesn't
create a file, it just changes the directory entry. (Reality is
even more complex, but hopefully you'll see what I mean.))



Hi Joachim,
Do you know where I can set the umask globally in Suse?

  


/etc/initscript



Also /etc/login.defs

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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-23 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 09:34, Jim Flanagan wrote:
 My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the dri. The others are
 there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not added
 dri yet, should I?
dri is the 3D ...   or, in other words, normally checking the 3D box 
(which 
is grayed out in your case) adds the dri.  Even though my 3D box was grayed 
out I was able to add the dri to the list manually to activate 3D.   Its 
worth a try.





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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:25, Kai Ponte wrote:
 It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of
 the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much
 do nothing but power off.
Kai, does an alt-F1 take to you a console (black screen)?   When it 
locks 
can you ping it from another box... or is it casters-up dead?




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Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE question?

2007-05-23 Thread Will Stephenson
On Tuesday 22 May 2007, BandiPat said:
 Actually, I think you'll find that SuSE's KDE has been touched quite a
 bit by the SuSE developers.  There are lots of differences, some
 noticeable, others not so, but several changes.  Just take a look at
 another distro using KDE that uses the standard packages from kde.org
 and you should immediately see some differences.  Also, take a look at
 SuSE's src.rpms to see what patches, etc. they do.

Lee is right - we patch the kde.org tarballs extensively.  SUSE does after all 
have more KDE developers than any other distro, AFAIK, and it would be a 
shame for us to have to play frozen-bubble all day.

Some reasons for these changes are:

*) adding changes from SVN branch since the kde.org release
*) making our bugfixes available before the next kde.org release
*) adding our features from before next kde.org release 
*) adding our branding
*) adding features that aren't accepted upstream yet due to feature freezes, 
eg. the Kickoff menu, Beagle integration, or Novell GroupWise support
*) making distro dependent integration changes that are out of the KDE 
project's scope, e.g desktop startup time fixes or improving Gnome app help 
support in khelpcenter

Most of these changes are below the waterline and just make for a better user 
experience.

Stephan Binner used to keep tabs on all the distro patches with a list at 
http://ktown.kde.org/~binner/distributor-patches but it is somewhat out of 
date - we had to shut him up somehow ;).  I count 172 patches vs today's 
kdelibs3 and kdebase3 3.5.7 packages.

 You can install the kde.org files without expecting problems, but your
 best bet would be to continue with the SuSE builds, if you are
 satisfied with their changes and additions.  Usually SuSE is pretty
 good at keeping abreast of the latest versions, 

Can you think of any exceptions? :)

 but again, if you 
 prefer to stay on the edge, KDE from kde.org won't kill ya!  Too much
 that is.  ;-)

I'd contend that just due to the bug fixes and branch changes, SUSE rpms are 
more current than the kde.org tarballs.  Except maybe on days like yesterday 
[ http://dot.kde.org/1179831426/ ].

I hope that's of interest to you,

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[opensuse] su - shared objcet or executable?

2007-05-23 Thread Denis Silakov
On my openSUSE 10.2 `file /bin/su` reports the following:

/bin/su: setuid ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1
(SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, stripped

and the same for some other files which are expected to be simple
executables, that is, LSB executable, like '/usr/bin/perl':

/usr/bin/perl: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV),
for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for
GNU/Linux 2.6.4, stripped

Is it a bug or a specific feature? `readelf -h /bin/su` agrees with
`file` reporting su to be a shared object...

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Re: [opensuse] Keyboard with buttons

2007-05-23 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:32, Chris Arnold wrote:
 Great directions but i am using gnome :) Anyone know how to do this in
 gnome?
Yes... (I was hoping you would switch to kde)   :-)

Ok, gnome bindings work pretty much the same way... and the setup for 
creating keysyms is exactly the same.  Check out this link on the Ubuntu 
forums...   the desk on Ubuntu is gnome... these instructions are detailed 
and will get you going:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27039






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Re: [opensuse] su - shared objcet or executable?

2007-05-23 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 08:55, Denis Silakov wrote:
 On my openSUSE 10.2 `file /bin/su` reports the following:

 /bin/su: setuid ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1
 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, stripped

 and the same for some other files which are expected to be simple
 executables, that is, LSB executable, like '/usr/bin/perl':

 /usr/bin/perl: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1
 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, dynamically linked (uses shared libs),
 for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, stripped

 Is it a bug or a specific feature? `readelf -h /bin/su` agrees with
 `file` reporting su to be a shared object...

What kind of bug do you suspect? Is anything malfunctioning?

Almost all Linux executables have at least one dynamically linked 
library, the one that allows system calls to be made. Most are fully 
dynamically linked.

Exceptions most often those designed to run on a wide variety of Linux 
installations and not distributed as part of or for a specific 
distribution. Examples include the Adobe-distributed Reader, the 
Mozilla Foundation-distributed Firefox, etc.

Dynamic linking is used because both file size and run-time RAM 
requirements are significantly reduced by using dynamic linking.

On my system (a 32-bit SuSE Linux 10.0 installation), there are only 25 
completely statically linked binaries among those found 
in /bin, /usr/bin, /sbin and /usr/sbin. That is out of 2921 total 
binary executable.


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Re: [opensuse] su - shared objcet or executable?

2007-05-23 Thread Denis Silakov
Randall R Schulz wrote:
 What kind of bug do you suspect? Is anything malfunctioning?

 Almost all Linux executables have at least one dynamically linked 
 library, the one that allows system calls to be made. Most are fully 
 dynamically linked.
   
Well, I see. Surely, there is no malfunctioning here.

The thing is that we are collecting information about different
distributions for the Linux Standard Base -

https://www.linux-foundation.org/dbadmin/browse/distr.php

and in the LSB there are 'Libraries' (system-wide shared libraries) and
there are 'Commands' (for example, different utilities). All
distribution data is collected automatically, but I don't see at the
moment how to distinguish LSB commands from LSB libraries. The idea was
to use `file` output, but very often it reports 'shared object' for
files which we'd like to add as commands...

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Re: [opensuse] su - shared objcet or executable?

2007-05-23 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 09:24, Denis Silakov wrote:
 Randall R Schulz wrote:
  What kind of bug do you suspect? Is anything malfunctioning?
 
  Almost all Linux executables have at least one dynamically linked
  library, the one that allows system calls to be made. Most are
  fully dynamically linked.

 Well, I see. Surely, there is no malfunctioning here.

 The thing is that we are collecting information about different
 distributions for the Linux Standard Base -

 https://www.linux-foundation.org/dbadmin/browse/distr.php

 and in the LSB there are 'Libraries' (system-wide shared libraries)
 and there are 'Commands' (for example, different utilities). All
 distribution data is collected automatically, but I don't see at the
 moment how to distinguish LSB commands from LSB libraries. The idea
 was to use `file` output, but very often it reports 'shared object'
 for files which we'd like to add as commands...

Well, in nearly (entirely?) all cases, a file that's really meant to be 
used as the target of dynamic linking as a shared library will be named 
with the suffix .so followed optionally by some version suffixes of 
the form (as an extended regular expression, enclosing quotation marks 
excluded) (\.[0-9]+)+.

I believe kernel module share the same file format, but are named with 
a .ko suffix.


I should state that my information on these topics might be a bit dated, 
so you might want to verify it, but it's at least approximately 
accurate.


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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread George Stoianov

I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do
you have? Anything in the system logs?
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Re: [opensuse] su - shared objcet or executable?

2007-05-23 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:24, Denis Silakov wrote:
 The thing is that we are collecting information about different
 distributions for the Linux Standard Base -

 https://www.linux-foundation.org/dbadmin/browse/distr.php

 and in the LSB there are 'Libraries' (system-wide shared libraries) and
 there are 'Commands' (for example, different utilities). All
 distribution data is collected automatically, but I don't see at the
 moment how to distinguish LSB commands from LSB libraries. The idea was
 to use `file` output, but very often it reports 'shared object' for
 files which we'd like to add as commands...
hi Denis,  you might want to take a look at:

/usr/share/misc/magic

This file details all of the types magic numbers... there is a 
difference 
between a shared object and a shared library the file might be of some 
help to you.



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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread clarkt
 Okay, just for everyone's knowledge, Vista has this annoying habit of
 asking if I want to save a password. On my sites, I have several with
 similar domains and differnt passwords. Vista mucks them up.

 This - plus an annoying habit of locking up on a regular basis -
 decided me that I'd just simply go with SUSE 10.2 and create a VMWare
 XP machine. So, last night I painlessly installed 10.2 on my laptop
 (which went flawlessley) and am now up on KDE. Even my multimedia keys
 are recognized!!

 http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/2007/20070523_102_desktop.jpg

 Okay, one problem. It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of
 the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty much
 do nothing but power off. EXT3 - which I noticed replaced reiser -
 seems to handle things just fine, but what may be going on?

 How can I diagnose this?


 Second question - since this is a dual core (Centrino Duo 2.0 GHz)
 system, shouldn't I be using a SMP kernel? I notice that the kernel
 used is 2.6.18.8.0.3-default i686


 TIA!

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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread Kai Ponte
On Wed, May 23, 2007 8:51 am, M Harris wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:25, Kai Ponte wrote:
 It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of
 the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty
 much
 do nothing but power off.
   Kai, does an alt-F1 take to you a console (black screen)?   When it
 locks
 can you ping it from another box... or is it casters-up dead?

alt-f1 does nothing.  Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace. 
The mouse appears to move, but that's it.

I can ping it.  I just had it happen while resizing a konqueror window.

Wierd.

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[opensuse] On-topic list, anyone?

2007-05-23 Thread Jonathan Wilson
Does anyone know of a mailing list for discussing technical issues about SuSE, 
that is on-topic only (no OT postings)?

Anyone interested in starting one?

It's kind weird - I'm on a great deal of mailing lists (have been for years), 
and just recently (past few weeks) there's been long, flame wars about 
off-topic threads (this is list on-topic only no it's not banter) on 
several of them.

Must be an internet-wide conspiracy, it's gotten into everyone at once :-)

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[opensuse] alt-F1?

2007-05-23 Thread John E. Perry
I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black console
screens via alt-F1.  When I do this, I get the KDE menu.  I have to do
ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.

As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the
basic suse updates through opensuseupdater.  No hacks, no obscure window
manager additions.  Why is my X different?  Should I be concerned?

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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread Greg Freemyer

On 5/23/07, Kai Ponte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, May 23, 2007 8:51 am, M Harris wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 May 2007 10:25, Kai Ponte wrote:
 It seems when I'm using firefox - which is most of
 the time - I get a lock up. The clock icon shows and I can pretty
 much
 do nothing but power off.
   Kai, does an alt-F1 take to you a console (black screen)?   When it
 locks
 can you ping it from another box... or is it casters-up dead?

alt-f1 does nothing.  Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace.
The mouse appears to move, but that's it.



From KDE, I think it is ctrl-alt-f1, etc.


Once your at a console, alt-f1, etc. work.

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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:49, Kai Ponte wrote:
 I can ping it.  I just had it happen while resizing a konqueror window.
Open ssh to it...   and when it locks see if you can ssh login to it...

Trying to find out if the kernel is dead... or just the interface... if 
you 
can ping it then at least the card is responding... but probably also the 
kernel... see if you can ssh into it...




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Re: [opensuse] alt-F1?

2007-05-23 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:52, John E. Perry wrote:
 As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the
 basic suse updates through opensuseupdater.  No hacks, no obscure window
 manager additions.  Why is my X different?  Should I be concerned?
No you are correct.  Often the alt-F1 term is used as an identifier (to 
differentiate the black screen console from Konsole on the desktop) versus an 
operational command

Yes, to actually access the black screen consoles from the desktop (on 
distros) is   ctl-alt-Fx;   however,  to get back ... just alt-F7.  




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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread jdd

Kai Ponte wrote:


I can ping it


if so you may be able to go in it with ssh. may be only the keyboard 
is stuck and not the system.


try to go with ssh and type init 3  to go to console only (with network)

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Re: [opensuse] alt-F1?

2007-05-23 Thread I.L.
On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, John E. Perry wrote:
 I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black console
 screens via alt-F1.  When I do this, I get the KDE menu.  I have to do
 ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.

 As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the
 basic suse updates through opensuseupdater.  No hacks, no obscure window
 manager additions.  Why is my X different?  Should I be concerned?

 John Perry

This is the same here on Suse 10.0 and since I know what a console is, it has 
always been like that - well, ok, that's not tens of years :-) 

But it indeed caused some problems to me, because it took a long time until I 
found out that I have to press ctrl too, while in my books about Linux it's 
always just alt-Fx...

But I don't think there's anything to be concerned about in this regard.

regards

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Re: [opensuse] alt-F1?

2007-05-23 Thread jdd

M Harris wrote:

On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:52, John E. Perry wrote:

As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the
basic suse updates through opensuseupdater.  No hacks, no obscure window
manager additions.  Why is my X different?  Should I be concerned?
	No you are correct.  Often the alt-F1 term is used as an identifier (to 
differentiate the black screen console from Konsole on the desktop) versus an 
operational command


	Yes, to actually access the black screen consoles from the desktop (on 
distros) is   ctl-alt-Fx;   however,  to get back ... just alt-F7.  


it's alt Fx from an other console, Ctrl Alt Fx from graphic interface
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Re: [opensuse] alt-F1?

2007-05-23 Thread Felix Miata
On 2007/05/23 12:52 (GMT-0400) John E. Perry apparently typed:

 I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black console
 screens via alt-F1.  When I do this, I get the KDE menu.  I have to do
 ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.

 As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2 with the
 basic suse updates through opensuseupdater.  No hacks, no obscure window
 manager additions.  Why is my X different?

Yours is not different. In every X environment I've tried, Alt-Fx has an
X-only meaning, so Ctrl-Alt-Fx is required to leave the X session. When not
in an X session, Alt-Fx performs the same session switch whether Ctrl is
also pressed or not.
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[opensuse] USB drives on /dev/sda1

2007-05-23 Thread Jay C Vollmer
Hi Everybody.

I've just discovered that I'm unable to mount USB pendrives on
my laptop.

Upon examination, I also find that I have no /dev/sda1.  I assume that 
this is the reason why.  If so, can I just recreate it with mknod?

Can anyone tell me what the parameters are for creating /dev/sda1 with 
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RE: [opensuse] alt-F1?

2007-05-23 Thread Ted Harding
On 23-May-07 16:52:24, John E. Perry wrote:
 I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black
 console screens via alt-F1.  When I do this, I get the KDE menu.
 I have to do ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.
 
 As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2
 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater.  No hacks,
 no obscure window manager additions.  Why is my X different?
 Should I be concerned?
 
 John Perry

The behaviour you describe is standard, and has been, on Linux,
since X came in (early-mid 90s).

The Alt-Fn statements you have seen refer to swapping between
black consoles. So, from one black cosole, say Console 1,
you can swap to any other, say Console 5, with Alt-F5.

Of course, Alt-F7 will take you to the console which is running X.

From an X console, however, to get to any other console you must
use Ctrl-Alt-Fn. So Ctrl-Alt-F1 will take you to black console 1,
for instance.

The reason X is different is that, depending on the window
manager, Alt-Fn will have some other function in X. This again
is standard.

Overall, nothing whatever to be concerned about!

Hoping this helps,
Ted.


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Re: [opensuse] USB drives on /dev/sda1

2007-05-23 Thread Rikard Johnels
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 19:34, Jay C Vollmer wrote:
 Hi Everybody.

 I've just discovered that I'm unable to mount USB pendrives on
 my laptop.

 Upon examination, I also find that I have no /dev/sda1.  I assume that
 this is the reason why.  If so, can I just recreate it with mknod?

 Can anyone tell me what the parameters are for creating /dev/sda1 with
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Does the syslog say it finds the drive, and assigns a /dev/ to it?
Seems to me it doesnt, or the system would have created it on the fly...
Can you please give us a copy of what /var/log/messages say when you plug the 
pendrive into the computer?


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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-23 Thread S Glasoe
On Wednesday May 23 2007 9:33:14 am Jim Flanagan wrote:
 For information sake, how do you tell a certain file is needed or
 supplied by a certain package, such as kio_sysinfo belonging to kdebase3-?

 Many thanks,

 Jim F

pin file or RPM name

Good for a locally available way to search what was included.  pin will ask 
you to have CD1 or DVD in a drive so it can load ARCHIVES.gz 
to /var/pin/ARCHIVES.gz. From then on it will not need the CD/DVD.

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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 11:49, Kai Ponte wrote:
  can you ping it from another box... or is it casters-up dead?

 alt-f1 does nothing.  Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace.
 The mouse appears to move, but that's it.
Does  a  ctl-alt-F1  bring up the console?


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Re: [opensuse] USB drives on /dev/sda1

2007-05-23 Thread jdd

Jay C Vollmer wrote:

Hi Everybody.

I've just discovered that I'm unable to mount USB pendrives on
my laptop.

Upon examination, I also find that I have no /dev/sda1.  I assume that 
this is the reason why.  If so, can I just recreate it with mknod?


Can anyone tell me what the parameters are for creating /dev/sda1 with 
mknod?




I thnik you don't have to do anything of this sort, this is done by 
the system when necessary.


try to verify if the usb modules are loaded (lsmod | grep usb for example)

try also an other stick

jdd


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Re: [opensuse] alt-F1?

2007-05-23 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 12:08, jdd wrote:
 it's alt Fx from an other console, Ctrl Alt Fx from graphic interface
 jdd
Yup, always has been... 



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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread Kai Ponte
On Wed, May 23, 2007 9:47 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip


 Second question - since this is a dual core (Centrino Duo 2.0 GHz)
 system, shouldn't I be using a SMP kernel? I notice that the kernel
 used is 2.6.18.8.0.3-default i686
 The SMP kernel became the default kernel in 10.2 and later.


Thank you...


...and I apologize for the off-topic request. I'll get back to more
important requests regarding hacker beer, wet t-shirts, gerbils and
politics as soon as I figure out my issue.

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[opensuse] Re: alt-F1?

2007-05-23 Thread Jonathan Arnold
(Ted Harding) wrote:
 On 23-May-07 16:52:24, John E. Perry wrote:
 I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black
 console screens via alt-F1.  When I do this, I get the KDE menu.
 I have to do ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.

 As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2
 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater.  No hacks,
 no obscure window manager additions.  Why is my X different?
 Should I be concerned?

 John Perry
 
 The behaviour you describe is standard, and has been, on Linux,
 since X came in (early-mid 90s).
 
 The Alt-Fn statements you have seen refer to swapping between
 black consoles. So, from one black cosole, say Console 1,
 you can swap to any other, say Console 5, with Alt-F5.
 
 Of course, Alt-F7 will take you to the console which is running X.
 
 From an X console, however, to get to any other console you must
 use Ctrl-Alt-Fn. So Ctrl-Alt-F1 will take you to black console 1,
 for instance.
 
 The reason X is different is that, depending on the window
 manager, Alt-Fn will have some other function in X. This again
 is standard.

And that's why it's easier to just get in the Ctrl-Alt-Fn mode,
because that works from either a virtual terminal or X.

I recently wrote a short bit about this:

http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/archives/000872.html

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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread Kai Ponte
On Wed, May 23, 2007 9:56 am, Greg Freemyer wrote:
?

 alt-f1 does nothing.  Neither does ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-backspace.
The mouse appears to move, but that's it.

 From KDE, I think it is ctrl-alt-f1, etc.

 Once your at a console, alt-f1, etc. work.

Yes - and before anyone else freaks out about how to get back (I did)
CTRL+ALT+F7 gets you back.

:P



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Re: [opensuse] USB drives on /dev/sda1

2007-05-23 Thread Jay C Vollmer
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 12:59, Rikard Johnels wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 May 2007 19:34, Jay C Vollmer wrote:
  Hi Everybody.
 
  I've just discovered that I'm unable to mount USB pendrives on
  my laptop.
 
  Upon examination, I also find that I have no /dev/sda1.  I assume that
  this is the reason why.  If so, can I just recreate it with mknod?
 
  Can anyone tell me what the parameters are for creating /dev/sda1 with
  mknod?
 
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 Does the syslog say it finds the drive, and assigns a /dev/ to it?
 Seems to me it doesnt, or the system would have created it on the 
fly...
 Can you please give us a copy of what /var/log/messages say when you 
plug the 
 pendrive into the computer?

Here are the modules loaded:

usb_storage82368  0
scsi_mod  136712  1 usb_storage
usbcore   128004  4 usb_storage,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd
ide_core  130248  3 usb_storage,piix,ide_disk

Here is the tail of /var/log/messages:

May 23 14:00:03 azazel kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered.
May 23 14:00:14 azazel kernel: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using 
ehci_hcd and address 34
May 23 14:00:17 azazel kernel: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using 
ehci_hcd and address 43
May 23 14:00:18 azazel kernel: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using 
ehci_hcd and address 47
May 23 14:00:19 azazel kernel: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using 
ehci_hcd and address 48
May 23 14:00:20 azazel kernel: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using 
ehci_hcd and address 53
May 23 14:00:23 azazel kernel: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using 
ehci_hcd and address 63
May 23 14:00:24 azazel kernel: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using 
ehci_hcd and address 67
May 23 14:00:26 azazel kernel: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using 
ehci_hcd and address 73
May 23 14:00:28 azazel kernel: usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using 
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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread M Harris
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:05, Kai Ponte wrote:
 Yes - and before anyone else freaks out about how to get back (I did)
 CTRL+ALT+F7 gets you back.

 :P
But, when you got back... is X (KDE) unlocked?



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[opensuse] Another about Enlightenment 0.17

2007-05-23 Thread Hudibras
Hi,

I like very very much Enlightenment 0.17, but modules don't work at
all. 
The window messages are not found linux-gnu-x86_64/modules/module.so
or something like this. 
Any of you also have the same problem? 
Any help will be appreciated. I've been googleing a bit but no answer. 

Thanks everybody.

AOP.


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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread George Stoianov

Have you tried a different window manager like WindowMaker that one
works usually when I have had issues with KDE???
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RE: [opensuse] Re: alt-F1?

2007-05-23 Thread Ted Harding
On 23-May-07 18:54:52, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
 (Ted Harding) wrote:
 On 23-May-07 16:52:24, John E. Perry wrote:
 I've seen several statements lately that one gets to the black
 console screens via alt-F1.  When I do this, I get the KDE menu.
 I have to do ctrl-alt-Fx to get to the consoles.

 As far as I know, my system is a simple standard opensuse 10.2
 with the basic suse updates through opensuseupdater.  No hacks,
 no obscure window manager additions.  Why is my X different?
 Should I be concerned?

 John Perry
 
 The behaviour you describe is standard, and has been, on Linux,
 since X came in (early-mid 90s).
 
 The Alt-Fn statements you have seen refer to swapping between
 black consoles. So, from one black cosole, say Console 1,
 you can swap to any other, say Console 5, with Alt-F5.
 
 Of course, Alt-F7 will take you to the console which is running X.
 
 From an X console, however, to get to any other console you must
 use Ctrl-Alt-Fn. So Ctrl-Alt-F1 will take you to black console 1,
 for instance.
 
 The reason X is different is that, depending on the window
 manager, Alt-Fn will have some other function in X. This again
 is standard.
 
 And that's why it's easier to just get in the Ctrl-Alt-Fn mode,
 because that works from either a virtual terminal or X.
 
 I recently wrote a short bit about this:
 
 http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/archives/000872.html

Which is fair anough -- though once you get used to it, it's no
trouble to use Alt-Fn from a console. (Mind you, I got used to
Alt-Fn back in 1992, before X came in, and all you had was black
consoles and Alt-Fn. So for me, Ctrl-Alt-Fn is an add-on)!

Of course, the point of all these posts on this thread is to
clarify what was puzzling John Perry in the firstplace. I hope
we've done that!

Best wishes to all,
Ted.


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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with syslog-ng syntax

2007-05-23 Thread Carlos E. R.
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 destination will default to the system log messages

Obviously.


 We all did it and personally I would like to know if anyone has success
 in creating an additional source. I really don't believe its possible.

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[opensuse] How does Speedstep work with Dual2 Core

2007-05-23 Thread Frank Fiene
Can someone explain, how Speedstep work with a T7200, for example?

I am wondering about that ever both CPUs are at the same frequence, 1GHz 
or 2GHz.

I've heard about different frequences on the CPUs is possible and 
automatically done with ondemand scaling governor!!!???

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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-23 Thread BandiPat
On Wednesday 23 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
 Hi Lee,

 My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the dri. The others
 are there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not
 added dri yet, should I?

 Sax2 is detecting my 9800 Pro as R350 NH. I believe that is correct.
 The 3D box is grayed out, don't have access to it.  I do have a spare
 9200 laying around that I could throw in this machine if that would
 help, but from what you indicated the 9800 Pro should work well with
 the default drivers. With the default install I was only getting
 about 23fps in glxgears, way too slow for this card. That is why I
 was trying to install the ATI drivers. Since then I can't run either
 glxgears or fglrxgears. And other stuff is not right, like
 screensaver.

 Many thanks,

 Jim F

=
No, it doesn't matter in what order they are in, but all of them should 
be there!  Sounds like it is seeing the card correctly and I'm pretty 
sure that card is supported.  What version of xorg are you running?  If 
it's the build that came with 10.0, that version may not support that 
card fully, but will do excellent 2d.  That may be your problem and the 
reason the 3D box is greyed out to you.  I do believe 7.1 and above 
supports the 9800 fully though.  I'll look in the changelog to see what 
it says.

Either way, you should be able to add the dri module to get some 3D 
now, although it may not be exceptional, it should still work.

good luck,
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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-23 Thread Jim Flanagan
BandiPat wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
   
 Hi Lee,

 My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the dri. The others
 are there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not
 added dri yet, should I?

 Sax2 is detecting my 9800 Pro as R350 NH. I believe that is correct.
 The 3D box is grayed out, don't have access to it.  I do have a spare
 9200 laying around that I could throw in this machine if that would
 help, but from what you indicated the 9800 Pro should work well with
 the default drivers. With the default install I was only getting
 about 23fps in glxgears, way too slow for this card. That is why I
 was trying to install the ATI drivers. Since then I can't run either
 glxgears or fglrxgears. And other stuff is not right, like
 screensaver.

 Many thanks,

 Jim F
 

 =
 No, it doesn't matter in what order they are in, but all of them should 
 be there!  Sounds like it is seeing the card correctly and I'm pretty 
 sure that card is supported.  What version of xorg are you running?  If 
 it's the build that came with 10.0, that version may not support that 
 card fully, but will do excellent 2d.  That may be your problem and the 
 reason the 3D box is greyed out to you.  I do believe 7.1 and above 
 supports the 9800 fully though.  I'll look in the changelog to see what 
 it says.

 Either way, you should be able to add the dri module to get some 3D 
 now, although it may not be exceptional, it should still work.

 good luck,
 Lee
   
Hi all,

I will try adding the dri now. I had previously updated all xorg stuff
to the latest, which it got from one of the sources I added, (I believe
from ftp.gwdg.de..., but not sure). The version for xorg now is
7.2-146.7-i586.

Will revert.

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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread Kai Ponte
On Wed, May 23, 2007 12:19 pm, M Harris wrote:
 On Wednesday 23 May 2007 14:05, Kai Ponte wrote:
 Yes - and before anyone else freaks out about how to get back (I
 did)
 CTRL+ALT+F7 gets you back.

 :P
   But, when you got back... is X (KDE) unlocked?

No, it wasn't. In fact it was locked up tight.

HOWEVER...


...I left it in the locked state for a few hours. Went off to a
meeting, and it has been working perfectly. Could it have been The
Return of Beagle?  I'd forgotten about the dog, and I have it
running. I currently have KDE System guard running to see if anything
is stealing my processes, but so far, it has worked flawlessly for the
past hour.

I wonder if BeagleD or some other rogue process simply had taken over
and now is finished doing whatever it was.

Go figure!   Anyway, back to our regular list full of exciting flame
wars, boobie pics and beer threads

oh wait. Wrong group. My bad!

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Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video

2007-05-23 Thread Jim Flanagan
Jim Flanagan wrote:
 BandiPat wrote:
   
 On Wednesday 23 May 2007, Jim Flanagan wrote:
   
 
 Hi Lee,

 My xorg.cong contains all these lines, except the dri. The others
 are there, but not in the same order. Does that matter? I have not
 added dri yet, should I?

 Sax2 is detecting my 9800 Pro as R350 NH. I believe that is correct.
 The 3D box is grayed out, don't have access to it.  I do have a spare
 9200 laying around that I could throw in this machine if that would
 help, but from what you indicated the 9800 Pro should work well with
 the default drivers. With the default install I was only getting
 about 23fps in glxgears, way too slow for this card. That is why I
 was trying to install the ATI drivers. Since then I can't run either
 glxgears or fglrxgears. And other stuff is not right, like
 screensaver.

 Many thanks,

 Jim F
 
   
 =
 No, it doesn't matter in what order they are in, but all of them should 
 be there!  Sounds like it is seeing the card correctly and I'm pretty 
 sure that card is supported.  What version of xorg are you running?  If 
 it's the build that came with 10.0, that version may not support that 
 card fully, but will do excellent 2d.  That may be your problem and the 
 reason the 3D box is greyed out to you.  I do believe 7.1 and above 
 supports the 9800 fully though.  I'll look in the changelog to see what 
 it says.

 Either way, you should be able to add the dri module to get some 3D 
 now, although it may not be exceptional, it should still work.

 good luck,
 Lee
   
 
 Hi all,

 I will try adding the dri now. I had previously updated all xorg stuff
 to the latest, which it got from one of the sources I added, (I believe
 from ftp.gwdg.de..., but not sure). The version for xorg now is
 7.2-146.7-i586.

   
OK, X will not start with the load dri in xorg.conf. Black screen of
death. I do have keyboard control, but no X. I removed it and now back
to the desktop. I'm starting to think this card is not very well
supported, by neither ATI nor xorg. I could try my older Radeon 9200 ,
oops, sorry, it a 9000 with 64mb ram. But, the problem still my be
something else which is causing glxinfo to not run.

I guess I could have just re-installed the entire 10.2 system, time wise
this would have been faster, but I don't want to do that. I really want
to figure this thing out, how this X stuff works.

So at the risk of making the one of those threads that just wont die,
I'll try another uninstall if KDE, then deleting ~/.kde (saving my kmail
file first of course), then reinstall KDE to see if that fixes the other
stuff. As to whether the radeon 9800 pro will work with 3d or not, will
find out then.

Will report back.

Many thanks,

Jim F
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Re: [opensuse] gsat compile errors

2007-05-23 Thread Philipp Thomas
On Wed, 23 May 2007 15:43:55 +0200, Hans van der Merwe wrote:

Im trying to get gsat compiled on 10.2.
I get:

make[2]: Entering directory
`/usr/src/predict-2.2.3/clients/gsat-1.1.0/src'
gcc  -g -O2 -Wall  -o gsat  main.o support.o interface.o callbacks.o
comms.o plugins.o db.o prefs.o -L/opt/gnome/lib -lgtk -lgdk -rdynamic
-lgmodule -lglib -ldl -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm
/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld:
errno: TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS
reference in callbacks.o
/lib/libc.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value

Better ask on opensuse-programing as there's a much better chance of
getting help there.

Philipp
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Re: [opensuse] Re: KDE question?

2007-05-23 Thread Joe Morris (NTM)
Will Stephenson wrote:
 Lee is right - we patch the kde.org tarballs extensively.  SUSE does after 
 all 
 have more KDE developers than any other distro, AFAIK, and it would be a 
 shame for us to have to play frozen-bubble all day.
   
And may I take this opportunity to say thanks for all the hard work put
into KDE.  You all make Linux something hard NOT to brag about.  I
really appreciate the quality added on, it has made for a pleasant user
experience.  So, to you Will, and Stephan, and the rest, THANKS!

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[opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread Joachim Schrod

James Knott wrote:

James Knott wrote:

Fajar Priyanto wrote:


Hi Joachim,
Do you know where I can set the umask globally in Suse?
  


/etc/initscript


Also /etc/login.defs


James, I don't know about 10.2, but in 10.0 /etc/initscript does 
not exist.


Changing UMASK in /etc/login.defs does NOT change the umask 
globally. It just changes the access rights of newly created home 
directories (by useradd, cf. the comments above the UMASK entry in 
that file).


The umask in SUSE 10.0 is set globally in /etc/profile.
To change it, one adds a file with umask 002 to /etc/profile.d/, 
or one creates /etc/profile.local.


I dunno about 10.2, maybe there /etc/initscripts changes the situation.

Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread James Knott
Joachim Schrod wrote:
 James Knott wrote:
 James Knott wrote:
 Fajar Priyanto wrote:

 Hi Joachim,
 Do you know where I can set the umask globally in Suse?
   

 /etc/initscript

 Also /etc/login.defs

 James, I don't know about 10.2, but in 10.0 /etc/initscript does not
 exist.

 Changing UMASK in /etc/login.defs does NOT change the umask globally.
 It just changes the access rights of newly created home directories
 (by useradd, cf. the comments above the UMASK entry in that file).

 The umask in SUSE 10.0 is set globally in /etc/profile.
 To change it, one adds a file with umask 002 to /etc/profile.d/, or
 one creates /etc/profile.local.

 I dunno about 10.2, maybe there /etc/initscripts changes the situation.

 Joachim

Initscripts is in 10.2.  However, I know of nothing that can go through
a file system and change all the permission bits, other than a script
that crawls through the file system.  As you mentioned, the umask
setting, no matter where it is, will only affect new directories.


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[opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread Joachim Schrod

Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:

Onsdag 23 maj 2007 09:49 skrev Joachim Schrod:

Fajar Priyanto wrote:

 How do I achive the default umask inhereted from the parent directory? I
 read some suggestions from google to adjust the global default umask, but
 I think it's a bit risky, or is it the only way?

Phil answered your question how to enable the RH behavior by
setting the umask globally.

If you don't want to do this, there is the possibility to use
access control lists (ACLs); the default ACL determines the access
right of newly created files.

I don't know if the global umask setting is sufficient for you, so
I stop here with the explanation; ask, if you need more info.


perhaps I don't understand your problem, but could you not just put

umask 002 (or whatever you desire) into

.bashrc in the /home/geecko directory?


I don't have a problem. :-)
The ability to set the umask was already pointed out by Phil -- and 
that was mentioned in my post, cited by you, above.


But the OP asked also if this isn't too risky, read it above, 
namely without the rest of the RH setup that associates a group for 
every user. The answer is, as so often: It depends on your 
situation. Changing the umask globally for all or even for one 
user may not be what the OP actually wants.


I just wanted to add the hint that there are also the ability to 
use ACLs to control the access to shared directories. Maybe that 
fits more the OP's situation -- without knowing his actual use 
case, there won't be an easy answer.


Joachim

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[opensuse] Re: Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory

2007-05-23 Thread Joachim Schrod

Fajar Priyanto wrote:


Do you know where I can set the umask globally in Suse?


For all users: create /etc/profile.local with the umask command.
For a group of users: Place it in their ~/.profile.

However, I don't think setting up the umask globally would be as safe as in 
RH, because Suse doesn't use the concept of UPG (user private group). So, if 
I set the umask globally, then it means every user can access those files and 
directory in the test directory.


Yes, that's right. This setting is only sensible if you don't use 
users as the group for these accounts, but a specific (different) 
group.



You mean ACL as in extended ACL from setfacl?


Yep. As an example, I use the following ACL setting on a SVN 
repository directory to ensure that www-data has always read access 
and group texcatal has write access, on newly created files in that 
directory tree:


comedy:~ # getfacl /home/ctan/texcatalogue_svn
getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names
# file: home/ctan/texcatalogue_svn
# owner: ftpmaint
# group: server
user::rwx
user:www-data:r-x
group::r-x
group:texcatal:rwx
mask::rwx
other::---
default:user::rwx
default:user:www-data:r-x
default:group::r-x
default:group:texcatal:rwx
default:mask::rwx
default:other::---

(Btw, this is the SVN repository that drives the TeX-Catalogue, at 
http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/catalogue.html.)


I think I can try create the UPG situation like in RH, but it means I have 
to remove all related users from the 'user' group. Not practical.


Then ACL might be the way to go.

Or, after some browsing on /etc/apparmor directory, I think it's possible to 
set the umask for the 'test' directory and files.


Sorry, can't help with AppArmor; I don't use it.

Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread Mike McMullin
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote:
 I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do
 you have? Anything in the system logs?

  IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel.

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Re: [opensuse] Bye Bye Vista - Hello issue with SUSE...

2007-05-23 Thread Doug McGarrett
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 20:44, Mike McMullin wrote:
 On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 12:42 -0400, George Stoianov wrote:
  I think you should be using the smp kernel. What kind of a machine do
  you have? Anything in the system logs?

   IIRC for 10.2 the kernel default is the smp kernel.


What happens if you use this kernel on a machine that has only
one processor, or is the install smart enough to figure all this
out?

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Re: Will Somebody Rid Us Of These List Police (WAS: Re: [opensuse] On-topic list, anyone?)

2007-05-23 Thread Mike McMullin
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 16:03 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
 * Dylan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-23-07 14:02]:
  Please, can't you people find something more important to worry about
  in life?
 
 You have lost sight.
 
 Many of us come here to read, learn about and assist or ask for
 assistance about technical and/or installation issues with openSUSE; I
 believe the primary reason for the list.  NOT to read the local
 newspaper or discuss politics.
 
 Novell/SuSE/openSUSE has graciously provided a list for postings not
 fitting technical and/or installation isues.  Its called
 opensuse-offtopic.  You may subscribe and then discuss to your fill
 all issues apart from this list's purpose.

  The benefit to this is that the signal to noise ratio will drastically
improve.  I've been trashing 99+% of stuff coming through do to the
noise content.

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