Re: [opensuse] Ideas on disk cloning?

[Anders Norrbring]

Christopher Stender skrev:

On Tuesday 03 July 2007 13:33, James Knott wrote:

Christopher Stender wrote:

On Tuesday 03 July 2007 12:06, Anders Norrbring wrote:

I usually use dd and ssh to clone disks from one machine to
another, but that only works when the target is equally big or
larger than the source.

Is there any easy way to do it from a 13% filled 60GB disk to a
remote disk that's only 16GB?

Obviously dd won't work...

You can use:
dd if=/dev/sda1 | gzip > some_file.img.gz

This compress the image on the fly.

And then, when you try to unzip it on a disk that's too small???

Whether you zip it or not, you can't use an image to move to a
smaller disk.


Well, I assumed that he wanted to do a backup only. Of course you can 
not unzip a compressed disc image which is bigger than your hdd.



Exactly...
What I'm looking for is to move a working system to another computer 
with smaller disk...


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[opensuse] Xorg looping - how to report?

[Per Jessen]

All,

I'm openSUSE 10.2 and occasionally I'll see Xorg looping.  The entire
screen appears to be hung, also does not respond to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace,
nor to Ctrl-Alt-F1. 
When I log in from another system (ssh), Xorg is running at 100%, and
the only way out is to kill it, and let it restart.  A couple of time
this seems to have happened in connection with start openoffice. 

This happens maybe once a week - the workstation is running 24h/day, and
is otherwise hardly ever restarted.  
I'm not really very familiar with how to debug KDE/X, but I'd like to
get rid of this really annoying problem.  How should I go about
reporting it? I.e. what kind of diagnostics should I provide?



/Per Jessen, Zürich

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuSE 10.2: Firefox 2.0.0.4: no sound on youtube flash videos

[Basil Chupin]

Alexander Schaber wrote:

Just to add to this, Kai, if I may:

install VideoDownloader, which is an Extention for Firefox, and when on
YouTube, for example, select the video to play then as it starts to
download to your system PAUSE the transfer/play; run VideoDownloader and
it will download the video file to your selected directory as a file
called "get_video"; RENAME this file to whatever you want BUT make sure
that you give it an extension of ".flv". AMAROK will quite happily play
this *.flv file as AUDIO only - no video (but who really cares?). (There
is a Windows conversion app. for VideoDownloader to convert the *.flv
files to have them replay as videos - Linux misses out :-(  .)



Just play those .flv files with MPlayer (video+sound).. 


(Sources: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-06/msg02221.html ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Video#Video_format,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Video#Flash_Video_Players )


Hey! That is great! :-)

Many thanks for this information. The audio PLUS video now  available 
(but I have to say that in most cases one is better off without the video!).


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Re: [opensuse] how to install "suspend to disk"

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> > under "/etc/sysconfig/powersave". You can, for instance, change the
> > behaviour when you press once the power button:
> >
> > POWERSAVE_EVENT_BUTTON_POWER="suspend_to_disk"
> >
> thanks for your answer,
> however grepping for POWERSAVE_EVENT_BUTTON_POWER shows nothing.
> where exactly should I find that ?

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/etc/sysconfig/powersave/events:#POWERSAVE_EVENT_BUTTON_POWER="wm_shutdown"
/etc/sysconfig/powersave/events:POWERSAVE_EVENT_BUTTON_POWER="suspend_to_disk"



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Re: [opensuse] Ideas on disk cloning?

[Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)]

Anders Norrbring wrote:
> Christopher Stender skrev:
>> On Tuesday 03 July 2007 13:33, James Knott wrote:
>>> Christopher Stender wrote:
 On Tuesday 03 July 2007 12:06, Anders Norrbring wrote:
> I usually use dd and ssh to clone disks from one machine to
> another, but that only works when the target is equally big or
> larger than the source.
>
> Is there any easy way to do it from a 13% filled 60GB disk to a
> remote disk that's only 16GB?
>
> Obviously dd won't work...
 You can use:
 dd if=/dev/sda1 | gzip > some_file.img.gz

 This compress the image on the fly.
>>> And then, when you try to unzip it on a disk that's too small???
>>>
>>> Whether you zip it or not, you can't use an image to move to a
>>> smaller disk.
>>
>> Well, I assumed that he wanted to do a backup only. Of course you can
>> not unzip a compressed disc image which is bigger than your hdd.
> 
> 
> Exactly...
> What I'm looking for is to move a working system to another computer
> with smaller disk...

Yes, but just so no-one forgets, if I remember correctly, the used disk
space on the current large HDD is smaller than the avaioable size of the
new HDD?

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Re: [opensuse] Xorg looping - how to report?

[Dave Howorth]

On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 09:37 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
> All,
> 
> I'm openSUSE 10.2 and occasionally I'll see Xorg looping.  The entire
> screen appears to be hung, also does not respond to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace,
> nor to Ctrl-Alt-F1. 
> When I log in from another system (ssh), Xorg is running at 100%, and
> the only way out is to kill it, and let it restart.  A couple of time
> this seems to have happened in connection with start openoffice. 

Does killing openoffice and/or every other application that might be
talking to the x server free it up?

> This happens maybe once a week - the workstation is running 24h/day, and
> is otherwise hardly ever restarted.  
> I'm not really very familiar with how to debug KDE/X, but I'd like to
> get rid of this really annoying problem.  How should I go about
> reporting it? I.e. what kind of diagnostics should I provide?

I think the place to check whether other people are seeing the problem
and to report it if not starts here:


In terms of what to report, an strace is quick and can be useful, as
well as details of the software build and configuration and your
hardware. I'd guess the folks on the xorg mail list or irc can tell you
more.

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Re: [opensuse] Xorg looping - how to report?

[John ffitch]

I have seen apparent freezes, but usually it was ssh asking for a password 
on the tty0 rather than a dialog.  Other cases have been when Mozilla 
dumped.

  Seemed to react to C-M-1
==John ff


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Re: [opensuse] Xorg looping - how to report?

[Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro]

On Wed, Jul 04, 2007 at 01:02:24PM +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 09:37 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
> > I'm openSUSE 10.2 and occasionally I'll see Xorg looping.  The entire
> > screen appears to be hung, also does not respond to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace,
> > nor to Ctrl-Alt-F1. 
> > When I log in from another system (ssh), Xorg is running at 100%, and
> > the only way out is to kill it, and let it restart.  A couple of time
> > this seems to have happened in connection with start openoffice. 

I have also seen this happen. In my case the last couple of times it happened
was when, using ooffice, I went to the "File" menu. That is, I had been using
ooffice for a while without trouble, entering information to a spreadsheet,
and when I went to the "File" menu, X locked (same symptoms: 100% CPU).

> Does killing openoffice and/or every other application that might be
> talking to the x server free it up?

Killing ooffice doesn't solve anything. I didn't try to kill other random apps.

Im my case, I am using the fvwm2 window manager and I think I am using
the Nvidia driver:

grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf
  Driver   "nvidia"

For me, this problem started after the upgrade to 10.2. Before it (9.3)
I don't remember such a problem in connection with ooffice.

> > This happens maybe once a week - the workstation is running 24h/day, and
> > is otherwise hardly ever restarted.  

Same here. At this moment, my X has been running for the past 21 days.
As you can imagine, having to kill X is _very_ disrupting.

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Re: [opensuse] Xorg looping - how to report?

[Per Jessen]

Dave Howorth wrote:

>> I'm openSUSE 10.2 and occasionally I'll see Xorg looping.  The entire
>> screen appears to be hung, also does not respond to
>> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, nor to Ctrl-Alt-F1.
>> When I log in from another system (ssh), Xorg is running at 100%, and
>> the only way out is to kill it, and let it restart.  A couple of time
>> this seems to have happened in connection with start openoffice.
> 
> Does killing openoffice and/or every other application that might be
> talking to the x server free it up?

I've not tried killing every X app - only openoffice.  Which didn't
help.

> I think the place to check whether other people are seeing the problem
> and to report it if not starts here:
>

> 
> In terms of what to report, an strace is quick and can be useful, as
> well as details of the software build and configuration and your
> hardware. I'd guess the folks on the xorg mail list or irc can tell
> you more.

Thanks. 


/Per Jessen, Zürich

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Re: [opensuse] Xorg looping - how to report?

[Per Jessen]

Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro wrote:

> I have also seen this happen. In my case the last couple of times it
> happened was when, using ooffice, I went to the "File" menu. That is,
> I had been using ooffice for a while without trouble, entering
> information to a spreadsheet, and when I went to the "File" menu, X
> locked (same symptoms: 100% CPU).

Yep, exactly the same here - the "File" menu. 

>> > This happens maybe once a week - the workstation is running
>> > 24h/day, and is otherwise hardly ever restarted.
> 
> Same here. At this moment, my X has been running for the past 21 days.
> As you can imagine, having to kill X is _very_ disrupting.

Absolutely.


/Per Jessen, Zürich

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[opensuse] Re: Ideas on disk cloning?

[Joachim Schrod]

Anders Norrbring wrote:


What I'm looking at is to move fully operational system to another 
machine with small system disk.


I have used transfers via tar, cpio, and rsync successfully for 
that purpose.


I currently use rsync, since it handles ACLs, because I had 
problems there with tar and cpio. (But that's some while ago, maybe 
they handle it now properly.)


The target system is booted from DVD and then initiates the rsync. 
Don't forget to use -H and -A together with -a, and you need to 
call rsync for each file system (use -x).


Joachim

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Re: [opensuse] Trying to bring up wifi

[John E. Perry]

>> John E. Perry wrote:
>>> ...
>> Well, after giving up for a while, during which time my laptop suspended
>> itself to disk, I came back intending to keep trying.
>>
>>...
>> Strangely enough (according to what I've understood from Google),
>> KWiFiManager still doesn't work.  But it seems I don't need it now.  The
>> normal network manager did just fine on its own.
>>
>> I appears ipw3945d
>> was all I needed, although it took several hours and a suspension for
>> the computer to figure out that it was working :-).
>>

After thinking about it some more, it occurs to me that kNetworkManager
was already functioning soon after I started ipw3945d.  I recall reading
in my investigations that only one network manager would function at a
time, and I was trying to use KWiFiManager when KNetworkManager was in
control.

If I'd realized that sooner, and looked at kNetworkManager rather than
KWiFiManager, I probably would have had complete success much sooner.

jp
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[opensuse] Question for openSUSE installation disk space.

[Giorgos]

Hi!!! :-)

I hope not to disturb you with beginner's questions, but I'm just making my 
first steps on Linux.

Sorry for my poor English too! :-)

I downloaded the openSUSE installation DVD, as well the 2 addittional CDs. I 
burn them and I made room at my disk with GParted. Now I have ~40GB 
unallocated space.


Installation run properly, until the disk partitioning. I pointed the 
installer at the unallocated space, but I received this message:


"The current selection is invalid. Too few partitions are marked for removal 
or the disk is too small. To install Linux, select more partitions to remove 
or select a larger disk."

"OK"

What now?
I read the minimum requirements and they're reporting 2.2GB for desktop 
installation.

Did I missconfigured something? Am I missing something?
Any ideas - suggestions?

THANKS!!!
Giorgos. :-) 


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Re: [opensuse] Trying to bring up wifi

[Hans van der Merwe]

On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 08:58 -0400, John E. Perry wrote:
> >> John E. Perry wrote:
> >>> ...
> >> Well, after giving up for a while, during which time my laptop suspended
> >> itself to disk, I came back intending to keep trying.
> >>
> >>...
> >> Strangely enough (according to what I've understood from Google),
> >> KWiFiManager still doesn't work.  But it seems I don't need it now.  The
> >> normal network manager did just fine on its own.
> >>
> >> I appears ipw3945d
> >> was all I needed, although it took several hours and a suspension for
> >> the computer to figure out that it was working :-).
> >>
> 
> After thinking about it some more, it occurs to me that kNetworkManager
> was already functioning soon after I started ipw3945d.  I recall reading
> in my investigations that only one network manager would function at a
> time, and I was trying to use KWiFiManager when KNetworkManager was in
> control.
> 
> If I'd realized that sooner, and looked at kNetworkManager rather than
> KWiFiManager, I probably would have had complete success much sooner.

> jp

You must still figure out why ipw3945d is not loaded at startup (or at
loading of module?)





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Re: [opensuse] Ideas on disk cloning?

[Anders Norrbring]

Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) skrev:

Anders Norrbring wrote:

Christopher Stender skrev:

On Tuesday 03 July 2007 13:33, James Knott wrote:

Christopher Stender wrote:

On Tuesday 03 July 2007 12:06, Anders Norrbring wrote:

I usually use dd and ssh to clone disks from one machine to
another, but that only works when the target is equally big or
larger than the source.

Is there any easy way to do it from a 13% filled 60GB disk to a
remote disk that's only 16GB?

Obviously dd won't work...

You can use:
dd if=/dev/sda1 | gzip > some_file.img.gz

This compress the image on the fly.

And then, when you try to unzip it on a disk that's too small???

Whether you zip it or not, you can't use an image to move to a
smaller disk.

Well, I assumed that he wanted to do a backup only. Of course you can
not unzip a compressed disc image which is bigger than your hdd.


Exactly...
What I'm looking for is to move a working system to another computer
with smaller disk...


Yes, but just so no-one forgets, if I remember correctly, the used disk
space on the current large HDD is smaller than the avaioable size of the
new HDD?



Exactly. The used space on the source drive will occupy ca half of the 
new, SMALLER, drive.


Anyway, I did a couple of attempt with piping a tar archive of the file 
system, but it resulted in a non-bootable system that lacked quite a few 
things, like /proc for example.


Finally I tested Acronis disk copy and it worked perfectly fine, 
resizing the partition on the fly when recreating on the new system. 
Just reconfig the bootloader from IDE to SCSI disks and I was up and 
running.


Anders.
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Re: [opensuse] Trying to bring up wifi

[John E. Perry]

Hans van der Merwe wrote:

>> If I'd realized that sooner, and looked at kNetworkManager rather than
>> KWiFiManager, I probably would have had complete success much sooner.
> 
> 
> You must still figure out why ipw3945d is not loaded at startup (or at
> loading of module?)
> 

Hm.  Not being an experienced systems programmer or administrator, I
assumed it was up to me to start it up somewhere in an initialization
script.

So it should have come up on its own with ipw3945?

jp
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Re: [opensuse] Trying to bring up wifi

[Hans van der Merwe]

On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 09:33 -0400, John E. Perry wrote:
> Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> 
> >> If I'd realized that sooner, and looked at kNetworkManager rather than
> >> KWiFiManager, I probably would have had complete success much sooner.
> > 
> > 
> > You must still figure out why ipw3945d is not loaded at startup (or at
> > loading of module?)
> > 
> 
> Hm.  Not being an experienced systems programmer or administrator, I
> assumed it was up to me to start it up somewhere in an initialization
> script.
> 
> So it should have come up on its own with ipw3945?
> 
> jp

Mine comes up automagically when ipw3945 module is loaded.

>From the README of ipw3945d, it seems that it must be started after the
module is loaded, "by hand" - I will check my system.



3. RUNNING BEFORE DRIVER FULLY LOADED

The typical method for lauching the daemon is to spawn it from within
the modprobe.conf or udev scripts as soon as the ipw3945 module is 
loaded.  This can cause problems on systems where the module is loaded 
earlier in the boot process than the device is probed, or where the 
module load is delayed.

To support this model, the daemon supports the '--timeout' parameter 
which can be used to specify how long the daemon should look for the 
driver before giving up.  The default value is 0, which will exit 
immediately if the driver is not found.

A value of -1 will result in the daemon waiting forever.  Any other 
value specifies the number of seconds to wait.  The daemon will poll 
the system once per second looking for the driver's sysfs entries.

Example usage:

% ipw3945d --timeout=-1

The above will fork the daemon into the background and then wait 
forever for the module to load.



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Re: [opensuse] Trying to bring up wifi

[ken]

On 07/04/2007 09:33 AM somebody named John E. Perry wrote:
> Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> 
>>> If I'd realized that sooner, and looked at kNetworkManager rather than
>>> KWiFiManager, I probably would have had complete success much sooner.
>>
>> You must still figure out why ipw3945d is not loaded at startup (or at
>> loading of module?)
>>
> 
> Hm.  Not being an experienced systems programmer or administrator, I
> assumed it was up to me to start it up somewhere in an initialization
> script.
> 
> So it should have come up on its own with ipw3945?
> 
> jp

Have a look at /sbin/ifup... that's where it should happen.  And, if I
recall, that's where an error you mentioned comes from.


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Re: [opensuse] Trying to bring up wifi

[Hans van der Merwe]

On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 16:07 +0200, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 09:33 -0400, John E. Perry wrote:
> > Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> > 
> > >> If I'd realized that sooner, and looked at kNetworkManager rather than
> > >> KWiFiManager, I probably would have had complete success much sooner.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You must still figure out why ipw3945d is not loaded at startup (or at
> > > loading of module?)
> > > 
> > 
> > Hm.  Not being an experienced systems programmer or administrator, I
> > assumed it was up to me to start it up somewhere in an initialization
> > script.
> > 
> > So it should have come up on its own with ipw3945?
> > 
> > jp
> 
> Mine comes up automagically when ipw3945 module is loaded.
> 
> >From the README of ipw3945d, it seems that it must be started after the
> module is loaded, "by hand" - I will check my system.
> 
> 
> 
> 3. RUNNING BEFORE DRIVER FULLY LOADED
> 
> The typical method for lauching the daemon is to spawn it from within
> the modprobe.conf or udev scripts as soon as the ipw3945 module is 
> loaded.  This can cause problems on systems where the module is loaded 
> earlier in the boot process than the device is probed, or where the 
> module load is delayed.
> 
> To support this model, the daemon supports the '--timeout' parameter 
> which can be used to specify how long the daemon should look for the 
> driver before giving up.  The default value is 0, which will exit 
> immediately if the driver is not found.
> 
> A value of -1 will result in the daemon waiting forever.  Any other 
> value specifies the number of seconds to wait.  The daemon will poll 
> the system once per second looking for the driver's sysfs entries.
> 
> Example usage:
> 
>   % ipw3945d --timeout=-1
> 
> The above will fork the daemon into the background and then wait 
> forever for the module to load.
> 
> 


I checked - I have a file "31-network.rules" in "/etc/udev/rules.d" that
adds a rule to execute the script "ipw3945d.sh" in "/lib/udev" when the
ipw3945 module is loaded.

All very intertwined, but thats how the hotplug system works - so when
the ipw3945 hardware is enabled the module is loaded and the script is
started.

So just check for these file on your system.

Good luck
Hans
 




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Re: [opensuse] Trying to bring up wifi

[Hans van der Merwe]

On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 10:16 -0400, ken wrote:
> On 07/04/2007 09:33 AM somebody named John E. Perry wrote:
> > Hans van der Merwe wrote:
> > 
> >>> If I'd realized that sooner, and looked at kNetworkManager rather than
> >>> KWiFiManager, I probably would have had complete success much sooner.
> >>
> >> You must still figure out why ipw3945d is not loaded at startup (or at
> >> loading of module?)
> >>
> > 
> > Hm.  Not being an experienced systems programmer or administrator, I
> > assumed it was up to me to start it up somewhere in an initialization
> > script.
> > 
> > So it should have come up on its own with ipw3945?
> > 
> > jp
> 
> Have a look at /sbin/ifup... that's where it should happen.  And, if I
> recall, that's where an error you mentioned comes from.
> 
> 

My understanding (which is very limited) is that the ifup stuff is
higher up in the chain these days.
With hotplug devices there are a whole new system for loading and
unloading modules.
It can still be done (forced) with "if" scripts if necessary. 




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Re: [opensuse] adding items to "Computer" menu

[Adrian Schröter]

On Wednesday 04 July 2007 00:54:49 wrote Kai Ponte:
> On Tue, July 3, 2007 3:10 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > * Sunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07-03-07 17:16]:
> >> I want to add smart in the "Computer" menu, underneath YaST. How can
> >> I
> >> do this. I know how to add it in the favorites, but I'd like it in
> >> Computer. This is 10.2 with suse style menus.
> >
> > Menu Editor
> >
> > rt clk on KMenu
> > or
> > lft clk KMenu -> Setting -> Menu Editor
>
> That only gives access to teh "Applications" tab.  The new SUSE menu -
> which I relaly like - gives five tabs: Favorites, History, Computer,
> Applications and Leave.

You can drag an item from the application menu and drop it to the Facorites 
for example ...


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Re: [opensuse] adding items to "Computer" menu

[Kai Ponte]

On Wed, July 4, 2007 8:38 am, Adrian Schröter wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 July 2007 00:54:49 wrote Kai Ponte:
>> On Tue, July 3, 2007 3:10 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> > Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> > * Sunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [07-03-07 17:16]:
>> >> I want to add smart in the "Computer" menu, underneath YaST. How
>> can
>> >> I
>> >> do this. I know how to add it in the favorites, but I'd like it
>> in
>> >> Computer. This is 10.2 with suse style menus.
>> >
>> > Menu Editor
>> >
>> > rt clk on KMenu
>> > or
>> > lft clk KMenu -> Setting -> Menu Editor
>>
>> That only gives access to teh "Applications" tab.  The new SUSE menu
>> -
>> which I relaly like - gives five tabs: Favorites, History, Computer,
>> Applications and Leave.
>
> You can drag an item from the application menu and drop it to the
> Facorites
> for example ...


Well, yes. However, only the "favorites" menu appears to be available.
Mine is quite large ATM.

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Re: [opensuse] Question for openSUSE installation disk space.

[Kai Ponte]

On Wed, July 4, 2007 6:09 am, Giorgos wrote:
> Hi!!! :-)
>
> I hope not to disturb you with beginner's questions, but I'm just
> making my
> first steps on Linux.
> Sorry for my poor English too! :-)
>
> I downloaded the openSUSE installation DVD, as well the 2 addittional
> CDs. I
> burn them and I made room at my disk with GParted. Now I have ~40GB
> unallocated space.
>
> Installation run properly, until the disk partitioning. I pointed the
> installer at the unallocated space, but I received this message:
>
> "The current selection is invalid. Too few partitions are marked for
> removal
> or the disk is too small. To install Linux, select more partitions to
> remove
> or select a larger disk."
> "OK"
>
> What now?

Stop using Outlook Express. That's your first fault. :P


> I read the minimum requirements and they're reporting 2.2GB for
> desktop
> installation.
> Did I missconfigured something? Am I missing something?
> Any ideas - suggestions?

Linux will want three partitions. One for root (most program files),
one for "home" (your stuff) and one for swap.  You need to make sure
you have enough space for all.

HTH!

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Re: [opensuse] Question for openSUSE installation disk space.

[Randall R Schulz]

On Wednesday 04 July 2007 06:09, Giorgos wrote:
> Hi!!! :-)
>
> I hope not to disturb you with beginner's questions, but I'm just
> making my first steps on Linux.
> Sorry for my poor English too! :-)

Not to worry. We were all beginners once. Many of us still are...


> I downloaded the openSUSE installation DVD, as well the 2 addittional
> CDs. I burn them and I made room at my disk with GParted. Now I have
> ~40GB unallocated space.
>
> Installation run properly, until the disk partitioning. I pointed the
> installer at the unallocated space, but I received this message:
>
> "The current selection is invalid. Too few partitions are marked for
> removal or the disk is too small. To install Linux, select more
> partitions to remove or select a larger disk."
> "OK"
>
> What now?
> I read the minimum requirements and they're reporting 2.2GB for
> desktop installation.
> Did I missconfigured something? Am I missing something?
> Any ideas - suggestions?

To elaborate on Kai's reply, the default for simple installation is a 
root partition, a home-directory partition and a swap partition.

First of all, you don't say what sort of partition structure you have. 
You say you made 40 GB available as unused space, but that doesn't tell 
us everything we need to know. How many partitions are defined already? 
Is there an extended partition table? If you don't have an extended 
partition table, then you get only four primary partitions. If you have 
an extended partition table, then you have, for practical purposes, an 
unlimited number of partitions. Lastly, if you want to use an extended 
partition table, you must reserve one of the primary partitions to hold 
that extended partition table.

If you're installing just to experiment and don't forsee using the 
system you set up over the long term, you can force it to put both the 
root file system and the home directories in the same partition and 
forgo any swap in a separate partition. But even this is only an option 
if you have one partition slot available (whether primary or extended).

In any event, if you do not have three available partitions and want to 
try something non-standard (well, non-default, anyway), you will have 
perform manual partitioning, eliminating the swap and home-directory 
partitions.

And bottom-line, can't get around it, if you have all four primary 
partitions in use and don't have an extended partition table, you're 
out of luck without some major reorganization of your Windows 
installation. In this case, you might want to try the so-called "Live" 
disc (directly bootable, runnable CD or DVD).


> THANKS!!!
> Giorgos. :-)


Good luck.


Randall Schulz
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Re: [opensuse] Question for openSUSE installation disk space.

[Billie Erin Walsh]

Not that you probably want to but the simplest way to install is to wipe
the hard drive, reload whatever version of Windows you want to use and
get it working properly [ using the whole disk ]. Pop in the Linux
CD/DVD and let it do all the work for you. During the install process
you can decide how much disk space you want Linux to take and use.
Forget all about all the gparted stuff. Let the OpenSuSE installer do
all the work.

No muss. No fuss. No sweat. No strain.

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Re: [opensuse] Question for openSUSE installation disk space.

[Randall R Schulz]

On Wednesday 04 July 2007 08:13, Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
> Not that you probably want to but the simplest way to install is to
> wipe the hard drive, reload whatever version of Windows you want to
> use

Up to here, this certainly is a _simple_ solution. Simple to describe, 
at least.


> and get it working properly [ using the whole disk ].

But this little bit makes it rather difficult in practice.

I don't think it's a _good_ solution unless you're really willing to 
treat the computer like a new one.

I don't know about most people, but it takes me days and days to get a 
system the way I want it. Saving and restoring all one's data and 
re-installing all one's applications is time-consuming, tedious and 
probably error-prone.


> ...
> Billie Walsh


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Re: [opensuse] powerful graphical ftp software?

[Ciro Iriarte]

2007/7/2, Zhang Weiwu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

在 2007-07-02一的 10:33 -0700，Sloan写道：
> Zhang Weiwu wrote:
> > Dear all
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you suggest something I can try? Or at least let me know a good
> > solution is simply missing.
> >
>
> Have you tried filezilla?

thank you very much for providing suggestion and providing screenshot!

Filezilla failed in my cast that, when i specify "overwrite if newer",
it overwrite files with the same time stamp, which, gftp (non-released
2.0.19 version) correctly identified these files should be skipped.
Maybe it has something related with the Windows ftp server?

After researched on this topic for so long gftp beta version is still
the best of all, though it also make mistakes, but less important
mistakes than others. Non of tested solution can solve the problem
without mistake. So we decide to use a stupid method: take pencil and
paper write down files being touched, and manually select them for
upload. We now have the good-old pencil & paper solution and unlike
geeky friends like me, she understand technology have limitations and
accepts it. The interesting thing is I don't think technology have
limitations (yes, I would use rsync if I manage that web server!), what
I think is human have limitations, that some human is not getting used
to commandline, probably never:)

And if I am really geeky I'd go fix either filezilla or gftp. So yet
people on this lists who can fix the software they are using are really
geeky:)

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I really miss FTPRush while working on linux Have you tried
FireFTP (https://addons.mozilla.org/es-ES/firefox/addon/684)?. There's
also CrossFTP (CrossFTP), but i didn't try it...

[opensuse] Implementation of Private & Secure Mail Server & Mailing Lists' Manager

[Alex Daniloff]

Hello SuSE folkz,

I'm trying to find a practical solution to setup private and secure Mail 
Server & Mailing Lists' Manager with the following characteristics:

1. Mail Server shall generate separate and unique public encryption key for 
the each Mailing List it handles.

2. Mail Server shall distribute Mailing List relevant public encryption key 
and newly generated unique private encryption key to the each new subscriber.
As an option the subscriber shall be able to upload its own generated private
encryption key to the Mail Server.

3. Mail Server shall store private encryption key associated with the each 
subscriber in SQL database along with subscribers' email address and 
subscription information.

4. When the Mail Server receives a message encrypted with subscriber's private 
key, it decrypts it using existing subscriber's private key stored in SQL 
database. Then the Mail Server encrypts this message with the Mailing List 
public encryption key and distributes it to all other Mailing List 
subscribers.

5. If the subscriber has a mail account on the Mail Server, the subscriber 
shall be able to retrieve its mail using ether POP3S or IMAPS protocols.

Could you please point me out if there any Mailing List Manager software which 
could handle these tasks.

Thank you in advance,

Alex
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Re: [opensuse] Question for openSUSE installation disk space.

[Billie Erin Walsh]

Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 July 2007 08:13, Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>   
>> Not that you probably want to but the simplest way to install is to
>> wipe the hard drive, reload whatever version of Windows you want to
>> use
>> 
>
> Up to here, this certainly is a _simple_ solution. Simple to describe, 
> at least.
>
>
>   
>> and get it working properly [ using the whole disk ].
>> 
>
> But this little bit makes it rather difficult in practice.
>
> I don't think it's a _good_ solution unless you're really willing to 
> treat the computer like a new one.
>
> I don't know about most people, but it takes me days and days to get a 
> system the way I want it. Saving and restoring all one's data and 
> re-installing all one's applications is time-consuming, tedious and 
> probably error-prone.
>
>
>   
>> ...
>> Billie Walsh
>> 
>
>
> Randall Schulz
>   

I totally agree with you. HOWEVER, sometimes it works best.

If Windows is working properly OpenSuSE will resize the partition and
repartition everything just fine. No mucking about by someone that
doesn't really know what they are doing with partitions. [ Me included ]
The OpenSuSE installer is one of the best at this sort of thing. Let it
do it the right way the first time.

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[opensuse] speaking of cloning....

[James Tremblay]

How does on build an image for and what tools does one need to clone a
master image to a lab?
If the simple copying of an image leaves you with an unbootable system
and even a tool like ACRONIS leaves you with tasks what then does one
do?
Is there a set of commands like "sysprep" for creating a master? Is
there a guide?
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Re: [opensuse] Implementation of Private & Secure Mail Server & Mailing Lists' Manager

[John Andersen]

On Wednesday 04 July 2007, Alex Daniloff wrote:
> 3. Mail Server shall store private encryption key associated with the each
> subscriber in SQL database along with subscribers' email address and
> subscription information.

That is really insecure.

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Re: [opensuse] Implementation of Private & Secure Mail Server & Mailing Lists' Manager

[Alex Daniloff]

You're missing this point:

4. When the Mail Server receives a message encrypted with subscriber's private 
key, it decrypts it using existing subscriber's private key stored in SQL 
database. Then the Mail Server encrypts this message with the Mailing List 
public encryption key and distributes it to all other Mailing List 
subscribers.

Please don't hijack this thread if you can't offer anything useful.

On Wednesday 04 July 2007 15:05:05 John Andersen wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 July 2007, Alex Daniloff wrote:
> > 3. Mail Server shall store private encryption key associated with the
> > each subscriber in SQL database along with subscribers' email address and
> > subscription information.
>
> That is really insecure.
>
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Re: [opensuse] Implementation of Private & Secure Mail Server & Mailing Lists' Manager

[John Andersen]

On Wednesday 04 July 2007, Alex Daniloff wrote:
> You're missing this point:
>
> 4. When the Mail Server receives a message encrypted with subscriber's
> private key, it decrypts it using existing subscriber's private key stored
> in SQL database. Then the Mail Server encrypts this message with the
> Mailing List public encryption key and distributes it to all other Mailing
> List subscribers.

I understood exactly what you said.

But giving one's private key to anyone else (the mail server) is 
insecure.

If asked to load my private key to any mail server I would
be looking for a different list.


As for the outbound, if you encrypt with the mailing list PUBLIC key
then everybody would need the mailing list PRIVATE key to 
decrypt it.

You are doing this (or at least explaining it) exactly backward
of how public key encryption is supposed to work.

If you want list outbound traffic encrypted the server
needs to store each user's PUBLIC key and 
encrypt each outbound message with the key specific
to the user.

If list inbound traffic is to be encrypted, then subscribers should
encrypt with the list server's PUBLIC key.

Any plan you cook up which requires sharing anyone's PRIVATE
key is just wrong from the get go.  If you can't understand that,
don't come here asking for help and suggestions about how to
compromise public key encryption standards.


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Re: [opensuse] Implementation of Private & Secure Mail Server & Mailing Lists' Manager

[Alex Daniloff]

John,
Please understand, I'm not talking about public mailing lists. 
The task is to setup closed, private, secure mailing list for limited number 
of individuals.
 
Let simplify the problem

1. Mail Server has the encryption key for the each Mailing List it handles.

2. Outbound mail is encrypted using Mailing List encryption key.

3. Subscribers decrypt emails from the mailing list using Mailing List 
provided encryption key.

4. Subscriber sends an email to the list encrypted with its own encryption key 
(call it private key or whatever).

5. Mail Server decrypts inbound mail from the subscriber using subscriber's 
key stored in its database. 

6. Mail Server encrypts outbound mail using Mailing List encryption key.

Practically we're dealing here with multiple sets of encryption keys -
Mailing List and individual subscribers. 
Call them private or public - it doesn't matter.

The question - is there any Mailing List Manager which allows to do  such
secure transactions.

Alex

On Wednesday 04 July 2007 17:40:56 John Andersen wrote:
> On Wednesday 04 July 2007, Alex Daniloff wrote:
> > You're missing this point:
> >
> > 4. When the Mail Server receives a message encrypted with subscriber's
> > private key, it decrypts it using existing subscriber's private key
> > stored in SQL database. Then the Mail Server encrypts this message with
> > the Mailing List public encryption key and distributes it to all other
> > Mailing List subscribers.
>
> I understood exactly what you said.
>
> But giving one's private key to anyone else (the mail server) is
> insecure.
>
> If asked to load my private key to any mail server I would
> be looking for a different list.
>
>
> As for the outbound, if you encrypt with the mailing list PUBLIC key
> then everybody would need the mailing list PRIVATE key to
> decrypt it.
>
> You are doing this (or at least explaining it) exactly backward
> of how public key encryption is supposed to work.
>
> If you want list outbound traffic encrypted the server
> needs to store each user's PUBLIC key and
> encrypt each outbound message with the key specific
> to the user.
>
> If list inbound traffic is to be encrypted, then subscribers should
> encrypt with the list server's PUBLIC key.
>
> Any plan you cook up which requires sharing anyone's PRIVATE
> key is just wrong from the get go.  If you can't understand that,
> don't come here asking for help and suggestions about how to
> compromise public key encryption standards.
>
>
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[opensuse] Re: Implementation of Private & Secure Mail Server & Mailing Lists' Manager

[Cristian Rodriguez R.]

Alex Daniloff escribió:
> You're missing this point:
> 
> 4. When the Mail Server receives a message encrypted with subscriber's 
> private 
> key, it decrypts it using existing subscriber's private key stored in SQL 
> database. Then the Mail Server encrypts this message with the Mailing List 
> public encryption key and distributes it to all other Mailing List 
> subscribers.
> 

If someone else finds a mailing list server that do this, do not use it :-)

 this would be:

1. highly innecifient and resource hungry
2. insecure as hell, I reccommend you to RTFM :) especially the GPG
related documentation, that **clearly** warns on this approach 's
insecurity.

You are tying to solve a non-technical problem with encryption and your
requirements are so ill conceived (storing private keys in a database is
the part that smells fishy enough to discard your idea) that I suggest
you either talk to your lawyer about privacy and confidentility rules of
your business and/or think your requirements better, what you are trying
to do is plain wrong.. and having wrong security is worse than no
security at all.




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Re: [opensuse] Implementation of Private & Secure Mail Server & Mailing Lists' Manager

[John Andersen]

On Wednesday 04 July 2007, Alex Daniloff wrote:
> John,
> Please understand, I'm not talking about public mailing lists.
> The task is to setup closed, private, secure mailing list for limited
> number of individuals.
>
> Let simplify the problem

In reading ahead, it becomes clear you didn't simply anything, you only
attempted to mask your failure to understand public key encryption by
removing references to Public vs Private keys  

> 1. Mail Server has the encryption key for the each Mailing List it handles.

Not necessary. See below.

> 2. Outbound mail is encrypted using Mailing List encryption key.

No, that's no good..  That would require each user to have the List's 
decryption key which then becomes public knowledge.  
Your server and all the mail it sends would be instantly compromised.

> 3. Subscribers decrypt emails from the mailing list using Mailing List
> provided encryption key.  

No.  That's where you run astray.  Points 2 and 3 are just unworkable
and your list will be cracked in no time.  

Decrypt using an Encrypt key?  Look, Alex, you can't invent terminology
on the fly.  These words have meaning. Its important to understand the
technology involved.

Public key:  use to Encrypt a message to be sent to someone, you use
   that person's Public key.

Private Key:  Used to decrypt such a message which was encrypted using
   public key.

If you want to send me an encrypted message:  You encrypt it using MY PUBLIC
key.  I'm the only one who has my PRIVATE key, and that private key is the
only way to decrypt the message. (other than brute force).

You must never provide the server's Private key.  You must never REQUIRE a
users private key.


> 4. Subscriber sends an email to the list encrypted with its own encryption
> key (call it private key or whatever).

No,

There is no such option as WHATEVER.  You simply MUST do what Cristian said
and Read and Understand the manual on GPG.  No way around it.

First, subscribers do not encrypt mail they send using THEIR key, because
that requires the server to know how to decrypt mail from that user and that 
requires the users PRIVATE key.  That is information that the mailing list 
admin has no business knowing.

As stated before, the only way to do this is to encrypt inbound mail with the
servers PUBLIC key. No need of a different key for each list.  Adds nothing
but complexity, and provides no more security.
That single PUBLIC key can be published on a web page, freely 
appended to every message, or distributed by any means.  Its PUBLIC.
Its ok if every one in the world knows it. Its supposed to be known.


> 5. Mail Server decrypts inbound mail from the subscriber using subscriber's
> key stored in its database.

No, that's wrong.   The server does not know how to decrypt any message
encrypted with someone else's key.  No one in their right mind would give you
their private key for decryption.

The server would receive inbound messages that were encrypted with its own
PUBLIC key.  The only person in the world who can decrypt that message
is the holder of the server's PRIVATE key which is called a "PRIVATE" key
because it is kept strictly private.


> 6. Mail Server encrypts outbound mail using Mailing List encryption key.

Useless, and just plain wrong.  That would require distributing the list's 
private key so that all users could decrypt the messages. That would be
secure for about 5 seconds.

1) There is no need to have a key for every list.  It adds nothing.

2) Outbound messages are encrypted using the recipient's PUBLIC key.
One public key stored in the database for EACH user.  EACH outbound
message would be custom encrypted using that users key.  It would be
slower, but do-able.  This database only hold PUBLIC keys, so it does
not matter if its compromised.


> Practically we're dealing here with multiple sets of encryption keys -
> Mailing List and individual subscribers.

As stated, you don't need a key for each list, you only need a public key for
each user, and a public and private key PAIR for the server.  You publish the
public one, and guard the private one with your life. 
It is used to decrypt inbound messages.


> Call them private or public - it doesn't matter.

Yes, by god it DOES MATTER!


> The question - is there any Mailing List Manager which allows to do  such
> secure transactions.

Not that I am aware of, but it could be implemented with a couple of hooks
(shell scripts should suffice) using majordomo or listserv, or any competent 
mailing list software. 

There are places in each of those packages where you can pre/post/process the 
message body if you add the "hooks" (exit programs).

The actual processing is easily accomplished with a shell script that gets 
invoked with the message body, and the appropriate key.  One script for 
decryption, one for encryption.  The scripts just invoke command line
gpg utilities . 
Type "man gpg " for the format of that command 

[opensuse] gDesklets

[Hans Linux]

i just got gDesklets installed on my opensuse 10.2 and i added some 
applets like calendar and clock. the thing is, those applets appear 
floating on my desktop and always stay on top. is there anyway to set it 
to stick with the desktop like Vista deskbar?, so when we open an 
application, gDesktop will stay on the back. It's quite annoying to have 
it on top of every applications.

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[opensuse] Logitech G5 Laser Mouse

[Jan Karjalainen]

I'd like to know how to get the "thumb" button and the scroll wheel's
left/right scroll to work.
In Windows I have mapped the buttons to middle click and
Alt+left/right respectively. I'd like to have the same mapping in
openSUSE 10.2 too...

/J
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