[opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Alexey Eremenko]

There is a story, which I dislike at all !

link:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17662/OpenSUSE-Hobbled-by-Microsoft-Patents

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[James Knott]

Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> There is a story, which I dislike at all !
>
> link:
> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17662/OpenSUSE-Hobbled-by-Microsoft-Patents
>
>
And this.

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS6944795565.html

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Druid]

stop sending email to the lists in nonsense crazy spam mode, and start
READING some of them.

maybe you can get some information

On 4/10/07, Alexey Eremenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

There is a story, which I dislike at all !

link:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17662/OpenSUSE-Hobbled-by-Microsoft-Patents

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Alexey Eremenko]

I was reading, but it seems that the bug was closed by Novell :( from
public view.
I speak about: [Bug 259718] Sub-pixel antialising does not work when
set from KDE Control Center. You know it's pretty difficult to read
closed information.

Well, the later link:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17662/OpenSUSE-Hobbled-by-Microsoft-Patents
Proves that it has nothing to do with Novell-MS deal.

But, can't this patents be invalidated ? I think 3D games (and their
fonts) and nVidia  had SuperSampling AntiAliasing prior to Microsoft's
ClearType. Novell can try to build a case for this...


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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Cristian Rodriguez R.]

Alexey Eremenko escribió:
> There is a story, which I dislike at all !
> 
> link:
> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17662/OpenSUSE-Hobbled-by-Microsoft-Patents
> 

The articles about this matter are absolutely bullshit and have no
relation with reality.

All mayor distributions compiles freetype2 without the offending
"subpixel antialiasing" MS patented code, this is nothing new or
exclusive to openSUSE.

The persons who wrote this kind of crap in slashdot or similar sites has
no clue whatosever about the topic and they think the Novell/MS deal
means we can start making openSUSE a legal minefield.

let make it more clear...

1. MS did **not** (get this into your head once for all damn it !!)
granted a patent license to Novell, but protection to **novell 's
customers** ( gee.. is **that** hard to understand ?? I wonder..)

2. openSUSE as always (even more now) should be clear of legal problems,
this articles are based in the misconception (f.e comments of trolls
like Bruce Perens et all) that the novell/MS deal permit us to do
whatever we want with the "supposed" "IP" of MS.

3. software patents are bad, but they exists, that's the awful truth :-(
and we should deal with that in any or other way in the same way the
rest of the linux universe does.

4. unfortunately,novell has marked the bug report as Novell-Only, this
is of course not "open" discussion in anyway, but may be better than a
bug report filled with a whole bunch of non-sensical comments or assertions.

argh, the level of stupidity and ignorance from both writers and readers
that believes on this articles is becoming very annoying **sigh**.

/me shakes head.










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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Alexey Eremenko]

let make it more clear...

1. MS did **not** (get this into your head once for all damn it !!)
granted a patent license to Novell, but protection to **novell 's
customers** ( gee.. is **that** hard to understand ?? I wonder..)



Protection from a what? I understand this as protection from not suing
SUSE for MS patents, which equals patent license grant.


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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Marcus Meissner]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:12:53AM +0100, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> >let make it more clear...
> >
> >1. MS did **not** (get this into your head once for all damn it !!)
> >granted a patent license to Novell, but protection to **novell 's
> >customers** ( gee.. is **that** hard to understand ?? I wonder..)
> 
> 
> Protection from a what? I understand this as protection from not suing
> SUSE for MS patents, which equals patent license grant.

Protection for both Novell and MS *CUSTOMERS* but NOT the companies
themselves.

MS can still sue us over anything, and vice-versa.

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[M Harris]

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:21, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
> argh, the level of stupidity and ignorance from both writers and readers
> that believes on this articles is becoming very annoying **sigh**.
>
> /me shakes head.
Please, it is not stupidity, but it might be ignorance--- and who is to 
blame 
for that... one hundred zillion people would like to better understand the 
M$-Novell deal and instead have received double-talk and insults...

If Novell wanted to educate (rather than lambast and humiliate) they 
might do 
well to improve their communication channels... stop swearing... and make 
sure that all parties understand clearly what is happening and why.  If there 
is ignorance regarding the Novell business relationship with M$ only Novell 
is to blame for that.






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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Cristian Rodriguez R.]

M Harris escribió:

>>Please, it is not stupidity, but it might be ignorance---

both I think :-)

> one hundred zillion people would like to better understand the
> M$-Novell deal and instead have received double-talk and insults...

The way to understand it clearly is :

1. open the novell website in one tab, and the MS site in other
2. read **literally** what the "agreement" says in both sides, leaving
conspirance/paranoictheories out of your mind.
3. after that, get your own opinion based on the written facts ( all the
rest is FUD)

>   If Novell wanted to educate (rather than lambast and humiliate) they 
> might do 
> well to improve their communication channels... 

I agree that Novell should improve his communication abilities with the
outside world, and specially with it's own "community".

Also agree they should not paid for advertisment in a site that is
clearly ignoring us. (even before novell/MS deal) and publishing crap
that helps to promote FUD about their own products.






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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[James Knott]

Alexey Eremenko wrote:
>> let make it more clear...
>>
>> 1. MS did **not** (get this into your head once for all damn it !!)
>> granted a patent license to Novell, but protection to **novell 's
>> customers** ( gee.. is **that** hard to understand ?? I wonder..)
>
>
> Protection from a what? I understand this as protection from not suing
> SUSE for MS patents, which equals patent license grant.
>
>
It protects the customers, not Novell.  So, if Novell includes MS
patented technology, MS will not sue the users, but may still sue Novell.

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Druid]

Again, if he wasnt so desperated posting 50 emails per minute, he
could actually have read the list and even found this thread, that
even has an official explanation from aj and jw, with this link:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-04/msg01040.html

And a short PS:

If you think its ok to come here and annoy people about the fucking
deal (and not the novell suits, and not the novell PR, and not the
novell board), but the developers and the users who DID NOT sign any
deal, if you think thats an OK behavior, if you think you are not
being annoying after all this time, if you think that its a normal and
OK position, you can go fuck yourself, and you can go complain about
my lack of politesse in fucking hell.

Dont ask for people to be polite when you already acted like a prick. Period.

You ask to improve communication, clarify the deal? I dont see how
this is improving ths situation: "ah, obviously this cleartype thing
has to do with ms-novell deal, its their fault ahh ahhh
aaahhh "

On 4/11/07, M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:21, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
> argh, the level of stupidity and ignorance from both writers and readers
> that believes on this articles is becoming very annoying **sigh**.
>
> /me shakes head.
Please, it is not stupidity, but it might be ignorance--- and who is to 
blame
for that... one hundred zillion people would like to better understand the
M$-Novell deal and instead have received double-talk and insults...

If Novell wanted to educate (rather than lambast and humiliate) they 
might do
well to improve their communication channels... stop swearing... and make
sure that all parties understand clearly what is happening and why.  If there
is ignorance regarding the Novell business relationship with M$ only Novell
is to blame for that.






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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Pueblo Native]

Okay, here's a short, simple question, no FUD, no spin, nothing:  
assuming that we want ClearType functionality, is there any way to 
modify our systems to achieve this result?

Druid wrote:

Again, if he wasnt so desperated posting 50 emails per minute, he
could actually have read the list and even found this thread, that
even has an official explanation from aj and jw, with this link:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-04/msg01040.html

And a short PS:





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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Druid]

On 4/11/07, Pueblo Native <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Okay, here's a short, simple question, no FUD, no spin, nothing:
assuming that we want ClearType functionality, is there any way to
modify our systems to achieve this result?


http://jamesots.blogspot.com/2007/04/how-to-build-new-freetype.html
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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Peter Van Lone]

On 4/11/07, Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Again, if he wasnt so desperated posting 50 emails per minute, he
could actually have read the list and even found this thread, that
even has an official explanation from aj and jw, with this link:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-04/msg01040.html

sk for people to be polite when you already acted like a prick. Period.




why do you insist on top-posting, and using foul language?

Besides the fact that you reduce the credibility of your argument, it
is just embarrassing. Please stop it.

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Druid]

If you didnt have anything to say in this topic, why have you posted anyway?

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top posting just to annoy you

On 4/11/07, Peter Van Lone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 4/11/07, Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again, if he wasnt so desperated posting 50 emails per minute, he
> could actually have read the list and even found this thread, that
> even has an official explanation from aj and jw, with this link:
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2007-04/msg01040.html
sk for people to be polite when you already acted like a prick. Period.
>

why do you insist on top-posting, and using foul language?

Besides the fact that you reduce the credibility of your argument, it
is just embarrassing. Please stop it.

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Druid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-11-07 09:35]:
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> top posting just to annoy you

And presenting the mentality of a 12 year-old.  Befitting the
?discussion.

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[M Harris]

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 08:07, Druid wrote:
> If you think its ok to come here and annoy people about the **fucking
> deal** (and not the novell suits, and not the novell PR, and not the
> novell board), but the developers and the users who DID NOT sign any
> deal, if you think thats an OK behavior, if you think you are not
> being annoying after all this time, if you think that its a normal and
> OK position, you can go fuck yourself, and you can go complain about
> my lack of politesse in fucking hell.
>
> Dont ask for people to be polite when you already acted like a prick.
Your choice of words for the "deal" is vulgar but to the point... some 
might 
compare the Novell-M$ intercourse with fornication...  maybe we could agree 
to call it the "fornication deal"?

As an aside, with the financial power that M$ can leverage---  well, 
size 
does matter.

As for annoyance, I was clearly told that this forum is an open forum 
(that 
very few Novell employees even have time for it) and that the hundreds of 
posts that come here every day are from users who care--- from all over the 
world.  That would include me.  My opinions about the fate of Novell, 
openSUSE, and the free software movement might be of interest to others 
around the world besides you, who also have a stake in free software and 
Novell openSUSE.   In fact maybe some of them have even stronger opinions 
than mine... and have even posted them right here.  nuf said.

As for being a prick, I have an observation that spans back over fifty 
years. 
Whenever I meet someone (males) that have an opposing opinion to mine one of 
two things always occurs:  (animal traits)

1) conversation in person
When the other person knows that they are in the wrong (either 
logically, 
morally, or other) they usually resort to the f word, and then a personal 
name reference like prick, or other equally intelligent sounding name 
depending on their age and extent of English vocabulary.  If that doesn't 
work, they usually try to hit me in the mouth... frankly people that build 
strawmen and knock them down are easier to deal with.  :)   Needless to say I 
have spent some discussion time ducking.

2) internet conversation
In these situations the other person wants to hit me in the 
mouth so bad he 
can taste it... but uff dah, he can't.  That's a good thing... less ducking.  
The down side is that he gets to embarrass himself by publically 
demonstrating his wanton vocabulary and inability to express himself with 
coherent English.  


As for complaining about you in hell... well... I sincerely pray for 
you that 
you do not end up there... 





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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Druid]

Stop sending empty content emails with moralistic texts to try to look cool

If you ahve nothing to say, just shut it and stay quiet


On 4/12/07, M Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 08:07, Druid wrote:
> If you think its ok to come here and annoy people about the **fucking
> deal** (and not the novell suits, and not the novell PR, and not the
> novell board), but the developers and the users who DID NOT sign any
> deal, if you think thats an OK behavior, if you think you are not
> being annoying after all this time, if you think that its a normal and
> OK position, you can go fuck yourself, and you can go complain about
> my lack of politesse in fucking hell.
>
> Dont ask for people to be polite when you already acted like a prick.
Your choice of words for the "deal" is vulgar but to the point... some 
might
compare the Novell-M$ intercourse with fornication...  maybe we could agree
to call it the "fornication deal"?

As an aside, with the financial power that M$ can leverage---  well, 
size
does matter.

As for annoyance, I was clearly told that this forum is an open forum 
(that
very few Novell employees even have time for it) and that the hundreds of
posts that come here every day are from users who care--- from all over the
world.  That would include me.  My opinions about the fate of Novell,
openSUSE, and the free software movement might be of interest to others
around the world besides you, who also have a stake in free software and
Novell openSUSE.   In fact maybe some of them have even stronger opinions
than mine... and have even posted them right here.  nuf said.

As for being a prick, I have an observation that spans back over fifty 
years.
Whenever I meet someone (males) that have an opposing opinion to mine one of
two things always occurs:  (animal traits)

1) conversation in person
When the other person knows that they are in the wrong (either 
logically,
morally, or other) they usually resort to the f word, and then a personal
name reference like prick, or other equally intelligent sounding name
depending on their age and extent of English vocabulary.  If that doesn't
work, they usually try to hit me in the mouth... frankly people that build
strawmen and knock them down are easier to deal with.  :)   Needless to say I
have spent some discussion time ducking.

2) internet conversation
In these situations the other person wants to hit me in the 
mouth so bad he
can taste it... but uff dah, he can't.  That's a good thing... less ducking.
The down side is that he gets to embarrass himself by publically
demonstrating his wanton vocabulary and inability to express himself with
coherent English.


As for complaining about you in hell... well... I sincerely pray for 
you that
you do not end up there...





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[riccardo35]

On Thu 12 Apr 2007 04:16, M Harris wrote:
> do not end up there...

 - if one wrestles with a pig, both will get dirty . . . the pig will 
enjoy it!


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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[M Harris]

On Thursday 12 April 2007 01:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > do not end up there...
>
>  - if one wrestles with a pig, both will get dirty . . . the pig will
> enjoy it!
heh,  true enough...

... my grandmother used to say, "never try to teach a pig to sing... it 
will 
only frustrate you, and it will piss off the pig".

Thanks for the reminder.






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[Glenn Holmer]

On Thursday 12 April 2007 00:21, Druid wrote:
> If you ahve nothing to say, just shut it and stay quiet

You quoted 67 lines to say that.  What's wrong with this picture?

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Druid]

On 4/12/07, Glenn Holmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Thursday 12 April 2007 00:21, Druid wrote:
> If you ahve nothing to say, just shut it and stay quiet

You quoted 67 lines to say that.  What's wrong with this picture?



Whats wrong with this picture ios you not understanding that if you
dont have any reason to post, you should not post
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[Druid]

... my grandmother used to say, "never try to teach a pig to sing... it 
will
only frustrate you, and it will piss off the pig".

Thanks for the reminder.



Now that he remided you, would you stop sending the offtopic emails on
the thread, which is a thing you have been doing from the beginning.

Maybe contonue your "old grandma sayings" in private email?

It would be so nice, grandma would be proud

Marcio
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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-04-11 00:27, M Harris wrote:
> 
>
>   If Novell wanted to educate (rather than lambast and humiliate) they 
> might do 
> well to improve their communication channels... stop swearing... and make 
> sure that all parties understand clearly what is happening and why.  If there 
> is ignorance regarding the Novell business relationship with M$ only Novell 
> is to blame for that.
Novell can say all it wants about the deal with "The Company from
Redmond"® and it all does no good when Perens and Moglen open their
mouths to say, "What parts of the deal aren't you telling us about,
Novell Corp?" Then there are all the trol^H^H^H^H nice people like Mark
Shuttleworth, who have the audacity to subscribe to this list for no
purpose than to troll for allegedly disgruntled users and Novell/SuSE
employees.

What would you have us and/or SuSE/Novell do about all this, that has
not already been done?

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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-04-12 07:39, Druid wrote:
> On 4/12/07, Glenn Holmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thursday 12 April 2007 00:21, Druid wrote:
>> > If you ahve nothing to say, just shut it and stay quiet
>>
>> You quoted 67 lines to say that.  What's wrong with this picture?
>
>
> Whats wrong with this picture ios you not understanding that if you
> dont have any reason to post, you should not post
There is a shoe you can put on your foot, to see if it fits.

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[Druid]

>
> Whats wrong with this picture ios you not understanding that if you
> dont have any reason to post, you should not post
There is a shoe you can put on your foot, to see if it fits.



Darryl,

Take care of your own shoes
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Re: [opensuse] Does openSUSE loses ClearType functionality due to Novell-Microsoft patent deal ?

[Robert Smits]

On Tuesday 10 April 2007 23:27, M Harris wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 April 2007 20:21, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:
> > argh, the level of stupidity and ignorance from both writers and readers
> > that believes on this articles is becoming very annoying **sigh**.
> >
> > /me shakes head.
>
>   Please, it is not stupidity, but it might be ignorance--- and who is to
> blame for that... one hundred zillion people would like to better
> understand the M$-Novell deal and instead have received double-talk and
> insults...
>
>   If Novell wanted to educate (rather than lambast and humiliate) they 
> might
> do well to improve their communication channels... stop swearing... and
> make sure that all parties understand clearly what is happening and why. 
> If there is ignorance regarding the Novell business relationship with M$
> only Novell is to blame for that.

Certainly there is more than enough blame to go around. There has been more 
FUD on this subject than whether there were weapons of mass destruction in 
Iraq!

And it comes from EVERYWHERE! Microsoft! Novell! Mark Shuttleworth! Free 
Software Purists!

Enough already!
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