Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Kai Ponte]

On Thursday 01 February 2007 19:30, M Harris wrote:
> On Thursday 01 February 2007 20:57, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
> >  Learning should be fun
> > imo, but it (learning) can be so darn frustrating at times, especially
> > when its something that should be so simple, and sometimes those simple
> > problems are the biggest pita things! :-(
>
>   The biggest frustration you are going to have is trying to run both...
> you'll notice soon enough that if you go with one or the other (I would
> recommend Linux) things become s much easier (read better).

Extremely valid point. Though I still have the token W2K system and am forced 
to downgrade to Windowx XP at work, 99.9% of what I need can be done in *nix. 

SUSE excels at managment tools and stability. Once you figure how to do a few 
things "the linux way" it is worth your while. For the past year, now, I 
pretty much dread having to go back to Windows. Though, like most, I've got 
SUSE on one system and Wintendo on another.

For those few apps I need in SUSE, they provide Wine or you can purchase 
Crossover Office (http://www.codeweavers.com/) which allows you to run many 
Wintendo applications on Linux, such as Visio:

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/2006/visio2002_on_nix.jpg

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/visio_suse.jpg

or MS Office: 

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/outlook_save.jpg

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/word_openoffice.jpg

or MS Project:

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/suse/cx_project.jpg

or even IE:

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/linux_dell600m_ie_sample.jpg


>   I have been windoze free for several years now... I change the things I
> can, I accept the things I can't change... and I look to a higher power to
> help me know the difference!   You can change too...


/me stands up...


"hello, my name is kai."

"I have been window free for..."



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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[StephenW]

--- "Charles R. Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:58:11 -0500, Joe Zien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time
> to say the following:
> 
> 
> (^_^)My advice is to go to:
> (^_^)
> (^_^)  http://www.mepis.org/
> (^_^)
> (^_^)Download Beta4 of SimplyMEPIS-32 and all your troubles will be over.
> (^_^)
> (^_^)Download it at :
> (^_^)
> (^_^)ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/testing
> (^_^)
> (^_^)and select:  SimplyMEPIS-CD_6.0-4-beta4_i386.iso 
>
(^_^)
> (^_^)Burn the iso image using  k3b in linux or  in windows
> (^_^)using nero.
> (^_^)
> (^_^)This is a live cd so you can run linux without installing on your hard 
> (^_^)drive.
> (^_^)You can also install it on your hard drive.
> (^_^)
> (^_^)Don't give up on linux.
> (^_^)
> (^_^)jozien
> (^_^)
> (^_^)jozien
> 
> Thanks Joe. Sorry for the delay in replying. I'll dl it and I'll
> install it on my VM Server and take a look at it. In case some is
> wondering, yes, Suse 10.2 runs perfectly on VM, why shouldn't it? :-D 

Charles
Ironic you should mention SimplyMEPIS.  When I could not get my SuSE 10.2 to
boot - and the install DVD seems to have a problem too ... I pulled out that HD
and put back in my SM6.0 HD... that is how I am back online without delay.  SM
is the distro that finally convinced me that linux can work on the desktop
without a lot of hassle.  I have been going back to SuSE each time there is a
new release since 8.x.  When I get some free time I will put the SuSE HD back
and try to fix it - or reinstall for the Nth.  (At least I have been able to
get it to install, finally.)

sw
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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Charles R. Buchanan]

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:18:36 -0500, "Bryan S. Tyson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took 
time to say the following:

(^_^)On Thursday 01 February 2007 21:57, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
(^_^)>  I had installed Mandriva and while it did install
(^_^)> (along with the bootloader) it didn't have a shutdown function that was
(^_^)> not readily available for newbies like me! :-) Even at the login screen,
(^_^)> you could only log in, you couldn't reboot or shutdown, although the
(^_^)> permissions were set to allow it.
(^_^)
(^_^)Charles,
(^_^)
(^_^)There is a menu icon you can click at the bottom of the Mandriva login 
screen 
(^_^)to get these choices. 
(^_^)
(^_^)Bryan

You know, I thought maybe there was a mapping problem or the icons
didn't install right, so I actually clicked all over the place and it
was a no go! :-(  


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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Bryan S. Tyson]

On Thursday 01 February 2007 21:57, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
>  I had installed Mandriva and while it did install
> (along with the bootloader) it didn't have a shutdown function that was
> not readily available for newbies like me! :-) Even at the login screen,
> you could only log in, you couldn't reboot or shutdown, although the
> permissions were set to allow it.

Charles,

There is a menu icon you can click at the bottom of the Mandriva login screen 
to get these choices. 

Bryan

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[M Harris]

On Thursday 01 February 2007 20:57, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
>  Learning should be fun
> imo, but it (learning) can be so darn frustrating at times, especially
> when its something that should be so simple, and sometimes those simple
> problems are the biggest pita things! :-(
The biggest frustration you are going to have is trying to run both... 
you'll 
notice soon enough that if you go with one or the other (I would recommend 
Linux) things become s much easier (read better).
I have been windoze free for several years now... I change the things I 
can, 
I accept the things I can't change... and I look to a higher power to help me 
know the difference!   You can change too... 

Be encouraged brother... we're rooting for ya...!





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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Charles R. Buchanan]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:26:03 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] took time to say the 
following:

(^_^)On Mon 29 Jan 2007 13:17, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
(^_^)> (^_^)> Maybe in a few years when I'm 70
(^_^)___
(^_^)
(^_^) - Ha!  - I  AM  70:)
(^_^)
(^_^).
(^_^)
(^_^) In 1994 I had a hard time trying to start with Slackware, and gave up.
(^_^)
(^_^)In 1999, I had another try with SuSE - it had me under mah Linux Truck 
(^_^)with spanner in hard & engine-oil dripping in the eyes [attempt at 
(^_^)humor] . . . after about 6 weeks got it going.
(^_^)
(^_^)That was my experience - the first few weeks are the toughest - after 
(^_^)that . . . very good system
(^_^)
(^_^)Linux is Industrial Strength - used by banks, research labs, 
(^_^)oil-refineries & insurance companies
(^_^)
(^_^)
(^_^)cheers + best  :)

In my case, I forgot to choke the rear wheels and the truck rolled
backwards on me! :-P  It's fine and dandy for machines running Linux in
those settings because the machine basically sits there and what have
you, but for someone like me, I want it to do everything Windows can do.
Right now I can't see myself going full time on Linux and giving up
totally on XP. Don't think that will ever happen, but I would like to
get it to a point where it will be more useful. Learning should be fun
imo, but it (learning) can be so darn frustrating at times, especially
when its something that should be so simple, and sometimes those simple
problems are the biggest pita things! :-(


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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Charles R. Buchanan]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:58:11 -0500, Joe Zien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to 
say the following:


(^_^)My advice is to go to:
(^_^)
(^_^)  http://www.mepis.org/
(^_^)
(^_^)Download Beta4 of SimplyMEPIS-32 and all your troubles will be over.
(^_^)
(^_^)Download it at :
(^_^)
(^_^)ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/testing
(^_^)
(^_^)and select:  SimplyMEPIS-CD_6.0-4-beta4_i386.iso 
(^_^)
(^_^)Burn the iso image using  k3b in linux or  in windows
(^_^)using nero.
(^_^)
(^_^)This is a live cd so you can run linux without installing on your hard 
(^_^)drive.
(^_^)You can also install it on your hard drive.
(^_^)
(^_^)Don't give up on linux.
(^_^)
(^_^)jozien
(^_^)
(^_^)jozien

Thanks Joe. Sorry for the delay in replying. I'll dl it and I'll
install it on my VM Server and take a look at it. In case some is
wondering, yes, Suse 10.2 runs perfectly on VM, why shouldn't it? :-D 




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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Charles R. Buchanan]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:28:16 -0500, "Bryan S. Tyson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took 
time to say the following:

(^_^)On Monday 29 January 2007 08:17, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
(^_^)> time/situation comes up, although I very much doubt I will be fooling
(^_^)> around with Mandriva anytime soon. Maybe it's their way of making people
(^_^)> buy the non-free version?
(^_^)
(^_^)I missed how Mandriva came into this conversation, but it caught my 
attention 
(^_^)because I just installed Mandriva 2007 powerpack. It's very nice, 
definitely 
(^_^)worth a look. 

It came up because in the process of figuring out why I was having
problems with SuSe, I had installed Mandriva and while it did install 
(along with the bootloader) it didn't have a shutdown function that was
not readily available for newbies like me! :-) Even at the login screen,
you could only log in, you couldn't reboot or shutdown, although the
permissions were set to allow it.  



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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Joe Zien]

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steve reilly writes:


hi,
Im using 10.2 as well, (gnome)and have the option to choose when i 
click logout  then options are  "logout", "shutdown", "restart" 
or suspend"... 
 then after i logout when on the "login"  blue screen in the bottom 
left corner of the screen there are 2 options, "shutdown" and 
"restart".  As far as I know these are the default settings, as i 
have not changed a thing on this install.  
you dont have any choices like this?


Sorry for the confusion. I was venting at the time. Although I'm more 
upset right now because I'm now recovering my XP installation. :-( I 
was referring to Mandriva distro that didn't have these options.  Soon 
as I get my XP installation up and running again, I will be deleting 
the Linux partitions and reclaim the real estate. I keep trying to 
give Linux a chance and everytime I do, I usually regret it. Of all 
the distros, SuSe has come the closest thing that might make me ease 
away from Windows, but there's just too many things I'm into right now 
that I can't justify moving to Linux full time.
I found that some avi's work, some don't. Then there's the mp3 thing 
unless you use Real POS (player) that program doesn't see the light of 
day on Windows, and it's the one SuSe chooses? At least on Windows 
there's Real Alternate Player. Small footprint and plays all RA/RM 
files. :-) Anyway, thanks for the reply.



My advice is to go to:

 http://www.mepis.org/

Download Beta4 of SimplyMEPIS-32 and all your troubles will be over.

Download it at :

ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/testing

and select:  SimplyMEPIS-CD_6.0-4-beta4_i386.iso 


Burn the iso image using  k3b in linux or  in windows
using nero.

This is a live cd so you can run linux without installing on your hard 
drive.

You can also install it on your hard drive.

Don't give up on linux.

jozien

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Darryl Gregorash]

On 2007-01-30 18:49, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:
> I added you to the CC as I was not sure if you are still on the list.
> There are a couple things to look at.


Excellent summary of the essentials, Boyd. Charles needs to read your
message carefully and compare it with his system, including /etc/fstab
(to get the proper mount points). (Yoohoo, Charles, you there? :-) )

Perhaps now we can get Charles back on the proper track. This stuff is
not rocket science, but it can be confusing to the inexperienced.

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Boyd Lynn Gerber]

I added you to the CC as I was not sure if you are still on the list.
There are a couple things to look at.

The /boot/grub/device.map is also needed.  For example on one system it
is ...

suse:~ # cat /boot/grub/device.map
(hd0)   /dev/hda
(hd1)   /dev/hdb
(hd2)   /dev/hdc
(hd3)   /dev/sda
(fd0)   /dev/fd0

and on an other system it is...

susedev:~ # cat /boot/grub/device.map
(hd0)   /dev/sda
(hd1)   /dev/sdb
(hd2)   /dev/sdc
(hd3)   /dev/hda
(hd4)   /dev/hdb
(hd5)   /dev/hdc
(fd0)   /dev/fd0

These are important as you have to have the right hdx for what you want. I
have my /boot/grub/menu.lst so I can boot from any of the hd with the one
I want to use.  So to understand what I have I am going to use the first
system as a reference.  On the first fdisk -l gives me ...

suse:~ # fdisk -l

Disk /dev/hda: 123.5 GB, 123522416640 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 15017 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1772062010868+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hda27721   1501758613152+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda577217835  923706   82  Linux swap /
Solaris
/dev/hda67836   1501757689383+  83  Linux

Disk /dev/hdb: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hdb1   1  26  208813+  83  Linux
/dev/hdb2  27 288 2104515c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/hdb3 289 484 1574370   82  Linux swap /
Solaris
/dev/hdb4 485   30401   240308302+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hdb5 485505336700461   83  Linux
/dev/hdb65054   30401   203607778+  83  Linux

Disk /dev/hdc: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hdc1   1   30400   244187968+  83  Linux

Disk /dev/sda: 2170 MB, 217384 bytes
64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 2069 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 = 1048576 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda4   *   12069 2118640   63  GNU HURD or SysV


And my menu.list is as follows.

suse:~ # cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
# Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Wed Jan  3 21:14:02 MST 2007
default
timeout 8
gfxmenu (hd0,5)/boot/message

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux###
title openSUSE 10.2
root (hd0,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 vga=0x314 resume=/dev/hdb3
splash=silent  showopts
initrd /boot/initrd

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux###
title openSUSE 10.2 show details
root (hd0,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 vga=0x314 resume=/dev/hdb3  showopts
initrd /boot/initrd

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows###
title Windows 2000
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader (hd0,0)+1
makeactive

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: windows###
title Windows 2000-1
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
unhide (hd0,0)
hide (hd0,1)
chainloader (hd0,0)+1
makeactive

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy###
title Floppy
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
chainloader (fd0)+1

###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name:
failsafe###
title Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2
root (hd0,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma
apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3
initrd /boot/initrd

title SUSE LINUX 10.0
root (hd1,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb6 vga=0x317 selinux=0
resume=/dev/hdb5
initrd /boot/initrd

title SUSE LINUX 10.0 Silent Showpts
root (hd1,5)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb6 vga=0x317 selinux=0
resume=/dev/hdb5 splash=silent  showopts
initrd /boot/initrd


I hope this helps.

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Charles R. Buchanan]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:59:12 -0800, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to 
say the following:

(^_^)
(^_^)
(^_^)Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
(^_^)> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:31:35 +0100, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to 
say the following:
(^_^)
(^_^)> My experience has been totally opposite. Don't ask me why! :-)  When I
(^_^)> did have Mandriva installed, the response, scrolling and operations were
(^_^)> almost Windows like. 
(^_^)
(^_^)So, it was really crappy then. crashing a lot?

Actually quite the opposite! ;-)  


(^_^)
(^_^)> For some reason, SuSe responds like Windows XP
(^_^)> running on a 386 with 32mb of ram! :-O But that's another problem for
(^_^)> another day. :-) 
(^_^)
(^_^)Get rid of beagle and zmd, and 10.2 should be pretty responsive, assuming 
your
(^_^)hardware is OK (dma not disabled, sufficient RAM, etc)

AMD64 x2 3800+ dual channel RAM 2GB, all SATA drives, a decent pci-e
video card (ati x1300)  Will try and tackle the beagle and zmd thing
later on after I get the bootloader problem resolved. 

Thanks!


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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[russbucket]

On Tuesday January 30 2007 00:34, Will Stephenson wrote:
> On Tuesday 30 January 2007 04:26, russbucket wrote:
> > with zmd. I post a message on that earlier today. I read somewhere you
> > can disable the zmd updater but that appears to be counter to the way
> > SUSE is headed.I'm going to look for it again and see if it works.
>
> You can remove the Zenworks Package Management pattern and replace with the
> openSUSE Package Management pattern in Software Management.  You don't need
> zmd etc unless you have a Zenworks setup somewhere in your network.
>
> cheers
>
> Will
>
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Yes I saw that but was afraid I'd screw something up. I try it later today and 
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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[J Sloan]

Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:31:35 +0100, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say 
> the following:

> My experience has been totally opposite. Don't ask me why! :-)  When I
> did have Mandriva installed, the response, scrolling and operations were
> almost Windows like. 

So, it was really crappy then. crashing a lot?

> For some reason, SuSe responds like Windows XP
> running on a 386 with 32mb of ram! :-O But that's another problem for
> another day. :-) 

Get rid of beagle and zmd, and 10.2 should be pretty responsive, assuming your
hardware is OK (dma not disabled, sufficient RAM, etc)

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Bryan S. Tyson]

On Tuesday 30 January 2007 3:31 am, jdd wrote:
> time ago, when I tried, mandriva system was also very slow

Compared to Kubuntu (using apt or synaptic) it is slower, but still tolerable. 
Compared to Suse it flies.

Bryan


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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Charles R. Buchanan]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:58:56 +, Fergus Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time 
to say the following:


(^_^)I doubt it - probably just an oversight of sorts. A lot of this is 
personal 
(^_^)taste and what one is used to, but the fact is that a great deal can be 
(^_^)achieved very quickly from the command line that can take a great deal of 
(^_^)searching out and replicating in a point-and-click environment. I'm a rank 
(^_^)amateur, not a professional, but I have still found that a few minutes 
(^_^)looking at shell commands can save hours of messing about in graphical 
file 
(^_^)managers etc. If I was denied the use of Linux or other Unices, and had to 
(^_^)buy a commercial OS I would most certainly take Mac OS-X over any of the 
(^_^)Redmond products, though much of the Mac's advantage comes from the fact 
that 
(^_^)it is firmly based on BSD Unix underneath the graphical hood.
(^_^)
(^_^)Good luck figuring it all out. Personally I found that the time spent 
learning 
(^_^)what I needed to know to get all the things I wanted to do under Linux was 
(^_^)time enormously well spent, but we're all different ...
(^_^)Best
(^_^)Fergus

What is strange though is when it was Mandrake, it didn't have these
problems.  I would love to get back into a Mac actually. :-)

Thanks!




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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Charles R. Buchanan]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:31:35 +0100, jdd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time to say 
the following:

(^_^)Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
(^_^)
(^_^)> Sadly, my test of Suse 10.2 only lasted a few days. Overall I thought it 
was 
(^_^)> nice, but I just could not tolerate the slowness of the package 
management 
(^_^)> system.
(^_^)
(^_^)time ago, when I tried, mandriva system was also very slow
(^_^)
(^_^)jdd

My experience has been totally opposite. Don't ask me why! :-)  When I
did have Mandriva installed, the response, scrolling and operations were
almost Windows like. For some reason, SuSe responds like Windows XP
running on a 386 with 32mb of ram! :-O But that's another problem for
another day. :-) 


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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Kevin Donnelly]

On Tuesday 30 January 2007 02:28, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
> produces WinDVD. Imagine my stunned disappointment when it failed to run,
> seemingly because of a programming error. The error message referred to an
> error on a certain line number. How in the world could Mandriva include a
> totally broken application in the distro? 

Unfortunately, this is not uncommon with Mandrake/Mandriva.

> Sadly, my test of Suse 10.2 only lasted a few days. Overall I thought it
> was nice, but I just could not tolerate the slowness of the package
> management system. Times of 30 minutes were not unusual just to add 1 new
> program (in my case). 

Use Smart?

Incidentally, Linspire/Freespire are about to launch a new version of 
Click'n'Run which is slated to cover all the main distros.  The idea is not 
unlike (or nicked from?) the Novell BuildService, but slanted considerably 
more towards the end-user.  Presumably they will just create a central 
link-point to the various repositories around the place.  It will be 
interesting to see how it develops - as with all Linspire stuff, it certainly 
*looks* nice.

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Fergus Wilde]

On Monday 29 January 2007 13:17, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:03:45 +, Fergus Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> took time to say the following:
>
>
> (^_^)> Maybe in a few years when I'm 70 will Linux FINALLY be ready for
> prime (^_^)> time! Just think, I haven't even gotten to the HARD parts yet!
> Anyway, I (^_^)> really do appreciate all the help I have gotten on this. I
> need to go lay (^_^)> down, my head is about to freaking explode!
> (^_^)
> (^_^)I find shutdown -h from a root prompt usually does it.
>
>
> Gonna have to flag your message so I can find it again if that
> time/situation comes up, although I very much doubt I will be fooling
> around with Mandriva anytime soon. Maybe it's their way of making people
> buy the non-free version?

I doubt it - probably just an oversight of sorts. A lot of this is personal 
taste and what one is used to, but the fact is that a great deal can be 
achieved very quickly from the command line that can take a great deal of 
searching out and replicating in a point-and-click environment. I'm a rank 
amateur, not a professional, but I have still found that a few minutes 
looking at shell commands can save hours of messing about in graphical file 
managers etc. If I was denied the use of Linux or other Unices, and had to 
buy a commercial OS I would most certainly take Mac OS-X over any of the 
Redmond products, though much of the Mac's advantage comes from the fact that 
it is firmly based on BSD Unix underneath the graphical hood.

Good luck figuring it all out. Personally I found that the time spent learning 
what I needed to know to get all the things I wanted to do under Linux was 
time enormously well spent, but we're all different ...
Best
Fergus
>
> Thanks!
>
> Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't
> want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[jdd]

russbucket wrote:


I have  to agree with you about the slowness of the zmd package manager.
that's true, but this never prevented me from using my computer, so 
why bother? I make it run on a separate virtual desktop (this is not 
to say it shouldn't be faster)


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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Will Stephenson]

On Tuesday 30 January 2007 04:26, russbucket wrote:
> with zmd. I post a message on that earlier today. I read somewhere you can
> disable the zmd updater but that appears to be counter to the way SUSE is
> headed.I'm going to look for it again and see if it works.

You can remove the Zenworks Package Management pattern and replace with the 
openSUSE Package Management pattern in Software Management.  You don't need 
zmd etc unless you have a Zenworks setup somewhere in your network.  

cheers

Will

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[jdd]

Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

Sadly, my test of Suse 10.2 only lasted a few days. Overall I thought it was 
nice, but I just could not tolerate the slowness of the package management 
system.


time ago, when I tried, mandriva system was also very slow

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Robert Lewis]

russbucket wrote:
> On Monday January 29 2007 18:28, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:
> 
>   
>> Sadly, my test of Suse 10.2 only lasted a few days. Overall I thought it
>> was nice, but I just could not tolerate the slowness of the package
>> management system. Times of 30 minutes were not unusual just to add 1 new
>> program (in my case). Every time it goes through this endless process of
>> scanning each repository before I can even do anything. I have to go away
>> and do something else while waiting for it to be ready to search for a new
>> program! In Kubuntu the average time (in my case) is 5 minutes.
>>
>> Package management is so fundamental, I think it does not matter how nice
>> the rest of the distro is if its package system is not well-designed.
>>
>> Bryan
>>
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> I have  to agree with you about the slowness of the zmd package manager. It 
> takes 30-60minutes to update a couple of packages. If I go in YaST and update 
> it much faster, (same update servers in both). I noticed in YaST --> 
> sysconfig you can make the YaST updater the default. I have not tried that 
> yet, did you? when I update YaST I get an error everytime it tries to sync 
> with zmd. I post a message on that earlier today. I read somewhere you can 
> disable the zmd updater but that appears to be counter to the way SUSE is 
> headed.I'm going to look for it again and see if it works.
>
> My system is a 866MHZ PIII with 768MB memory and 250GB Disk for Linux and 
> 80GB 
> for XP which a rarely use. Worked fast with 10.0. 
>
>   
This pretty well details my experience.  Sometimes the updater gets to
99% and the
ORB goes out and the screen with the 99% stays forever, although the update
completed.
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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[russbucket]

On Monday January 29 2007 18:28, Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

> Sadly, my test of Suse 10.2 only lasted a few days. Overall I thought it
> was nice, but I just could not tolerate the slowness of the package
> management system. Times of 30 minutes were not unusual just to add 1 new
> program (in my case). Every time it goes through this endless process of
> scanning each repository before I can even do anything. I have to go away
> and do something else while waiting for it to be ready to search for a new
> program! In Kubuntu the average time (in my case) is 5 minutes.
>
> Package management is so fundamental, I think it does not matter how nice
> the rest of the distro is if its package system is not well-designed.
>
> Bryan
>
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I have  to agree with you about the slowness of the zmd package manager. It 
takes 30-60minutes to update a couple of packages. If I go in YaST and update 
it much faster, (same update servers in both). I noticed in YaST --> 
sysconfig you can make the YaST updater the default. I have not tried that 
yet, did you? when I update YaST I get an error everytime it tries to sync 
with zmd. I post a message on that earlier today. I read somewhere you can 
disable the zmd updater but that appears to be counter to the way SUSE is 
headed.I'm going to look for it again and see if it works.

My system is a 866MHZ PIII with 768MB memory and 250GB Disk for Linux and 80GB 
for XP which a rarely use. Worked fast with 10.0. 

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Bryan S. Tyson]

On Monday 29 January 2007 08:17, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
> time/situation comes up, although I very much doubt I will be fooling
> around with Mandriva anytime soon. Maybe it's their way of making people
> buy the non-free version?

I missed how Mandriva came into this conversation, but it caught my attention 
because I just installed Mandriva 2007 powerpack. It's very nice, definitely 
worth a look. 

Probably the most interesting feature I noticed was the inclusion of LinDVD, 
the licensed DVD player! It's by Intervideo, the same company that produces 
WinDVD. Imagine my stunned disappointment when it failed to run, seemingly 
because of a programming error. The error message referred to an error on a 
certain line number. How in the world could Mandriva include a totally broken 
application in the distro? And it's an application that probably receives the 
most attention from users!

So it was off to the PLF repositories for the usual codecs, etc. and good old 
mplayer, which worked fine.

I plan to use Mandriva for a while to get a better idea what it is like in 
actual usage.

Sadly, my test of Suse 10.2 only lasted a few days. Overall I thought it was 
nice, but I just could not tolerate the slowness of the package management 
system. Times of 30 minutes were not unusual just to add 1 new program (in my 
case). Every time it goes through this endless process of scanning each 
repository before I can even do anything. I have to go away and do something 
else while waiting for it to be ready to search for a new program! In Kubuntu 
the average time (in my case) is 5 minutes. 

Package management is so fundamental, I think it does not matter how nice the 
rest of the distro is if its package system is not well-designed.

Bryan

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Charles R. Buchanan]

In that case you could probaly just ignore my posts?  If you have been
paying attention all along, maybe, just MAYBE you would have caught or
read that I in fact DID do research on the matter.  I'm sorry that I'm
not up to YOUR standards. I believe I will go  flog myself because of
that!  

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:51:51 -0500, "Michael S. Dunsavage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
took time to say the following:

(^_^)Maybe you should work with a  live dvd version of linux so you don't do
(^_^)anything bad and hose a partition and so you can get some experience 
instead
(^_^)of ranting on the list just to find a shutdown command.  It seems you don't
(^_^)care to do any research or try to find any answers elsewhere and then you
(^_^)come and rant here. Maybe you're not ready for linux and not the other way
(^_^)around.


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to impress people they don't like.
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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Charles R. Buchanan]

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:03:45 +, Fergus Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> took time 
to say the following:


(^_^)> Maybe in a few years when I'm 70 will Linux FINALLY be ready for prime
(^_^)> time! Just think, I haven't even gotten to the HARD parts yet! Anyway, I
(^_^)> really do appreciate all the help I have gotten on this. I need to go lay
(^_^)> down, my head is about to freaking explode!
(^_^)
(^_^)I find shutdown -h from a root prompt usually does it.


Gonna have to flag your message so I can find it again if that
time/situation comes up, although I very much doubt I will be fooling
around with Mandriva anytime soon. Maybe it's their way of making people
buy the non-free version?

Thanks!

Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, 
to impress people they don't like.
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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Fergus Wilde]

On Sunday 28 January 2007 23:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This has to be the most ASSININE thing I have ever had to deal with! I have
> wasted darn near the whole weekend trying to get one stupid a$$ed
> bootloader to install and nothing on this earth should be this darn
> difficult! Even using the numbering system that was confimed/agreed to, it
> still gives me the error 23 statement. The main reason I liked SuSe is
> because it does mount (automatically) my Windows partition, thus I have
> access to different files. On Mandriva, although it installs in over half
> the time, and it's actually WAY faster than 10.2, and the bootloader
> ACTUALLY works, it's a pain to get the partitions to mount, I have to do a
> hard shutdown because there's no "restart" or "shutdown" command when you
> log off, which tales you to the login screen, which doesn't have a way to
> shutdown or reboot the computer. Ubuntu is a whole story by itself!
>
> Maybe in a few years when I'm 70 will Linux FINALLY be ready for prime
> time! Just think, I haven't even gotten to the HARD parts yet! Anyway, I
> really do appreciate all the help I have gotten on this. I need to go lay
> down, my head is about to freaking explode!

I find shutdown -h from a root prompt usually does it.

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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[charles]

steve reilly writes: 



hi, 

Im using 10.2 as well, (gnome)and have the option to choose when i click 
logout  then options are  "logout", "shutdown", "restart" or 
suspend"...  

 then after i logout when on the "login"  blue screen in the bottom left 
corner of the screen there are 2 options, "shutdown" and "restart".  As far 
as I know these are the default settings, as i have not changed a thing on 
this install.   


you dont have any choices like this?


Sorry for the confusion. I was venting at the time. Although I'm more upset 
right now because I'm now recovering my XP installation. :-( I was referring 
to Mandriva distro that didn't have these options.  Soon as I get my XP 
installation up and running again, I will be deleting the Linux partitions 
and reclaim the real estate. I keep trying to give Linux a chance and 
everytime I do, I usually regret it. Of all the distros, SuSe has come the 
closest thing that might make me ease away from Windows, but there's just 
too many things I'm into right now that I can't justify moving to Linux full 
time. 

I found that some avi's work, some don't. Then there's the mp3 thing unless 
you use Real POS (player) that program doesn't see the light of day on 
Windows, and it's the one SuSe chooses? At least on Windows there's Real 
Alternate Player. Small footprint and plays all RA/RM files. :-) Anyway, 
thanks for the reply. 



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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[Carl Hartung]

On Sun January 28 2007 18:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I really do appreciate all the help I have gotten on this. I need to go lay
> down, my head is about to freaking explode!

Take it easy, Charles!

I know it can be very frustrating when the solution eludes you... trust me, 
I've been there and done that many times... probably everybody else on this 
list has, too...

When you've cooled down and gotten some rest, do the following:

1. boot into your 10.2 installation using the DVD
2. go into YaST
3. launch the partitioner module
4. allow it to probe the system; it will build a list of your partitions
5. make no changes!
6. copy/paste/type all the data you see into a text file
7. close the partitioner session ('abort' button) to close the module
8. open a shell, 'su' to superuser, do a 'cat /boot/grub/menu.lst'
9. copy the contents of menu.lst into the same text file
10. in the same shell, do a 'cat /etc/fstab'
11. copy the contents of /etc/fstab into the same text file
12. 'exit' out of superuser; 'exit' to close the shell
13. post the text file here to the list or e-mail it to me privately

My guess is you're missing something simple because you're frustrated and 
tired. Another set of 'eyeballs' will probably see it fairly quickly. Hope to 
hear from you tomorrow, now please go get some rest! ;-)

Carl
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Re: [opensuse] I give up!

[steve reilly]

On Sunday 28 January 2007 18:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> ACTUALLY works, it's a pain to get the partitions to mount, I have to do a
> hard shutdown because there's no "restart" or "shutdown" command when you
> log off, which tales you to the login screen, which doesn't have a way to
> shutdown or reboot the computer. Ubuntu is a whole story by itself!
>

hi,

Im using 10.2 as well, (gnome)and have the option to choose when i click 
logout  then options are  "logout", "shutdown", "restart" or 
suspend"... 

 then after i logout when on the "login"  blue screen in the bottom left 
corner of the screen there are 2 options, "shutdown" and "restart".  As far 
as I know these are the default settings, as i have not changed a thing on 
this install.  

you dont have any choices like this?



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[opensuse] I give up!

[charles]

This has to be the most ASSININE thing I have ever had to deal with! I have 
wasted darn near the whole weekend trying to get one stupid a$$ed bootloader 
to install and nothing on this earth should be this darn difficult! Even 
using the numbering system that was confimed/agreed to, it still gives me 
the error 23 statement. The main reason I liked SuSe is because it does 
mount (automatically) my Windows partition, thus I have access to different 
files. On Mandriva, although it installs in over half the time, and it's 
actually WAY faster than 10.2, and the bootloader ACTUALLY works, it's a 
pain to get the partitions to mount, I have to do a hard shutdown because 
there's no "restart" or "shutdown" command when you log off, which tales you 
to the login screen, which doesn't have a way to shutdown or reboot the 
computer. Ubuntu is a whole story by itself! 

Maybe in a few years when I'm 70 will Linux FINALLY be ready for prime time! 
Just think, I haven't even gotten to the HARD parts yet! Anyway, I really do 
appreciate all the help I have gotten on this. I need to go lay down, my 
head is about to freaking explode!

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