Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-09 Thread Martin Mielke
I have superkaramba installed and already use some plugins (the almost 
omnipresent LiquidWeather and some others).
None of the plugins for monitoring will display the info I need (CPU temp, HDD 
rpm's, etc) even after executing sensors-detect as root and getting some 
Succeed! messages for some sensors...

Any ideas on this?

Thanks,
Martin


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 is there any way to check the temperature and watch the r.p.m. on the fans w/o
 going to BIOS-level?

lm-sensors works well for this.  Once you ran sensors-detect you can
use lots of different tools to view the fan rpm/core temps etc.
(KSensors, gkrelm, SuperKaramba and pretty much any monitoring plugin,
etc etc).


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-09 Thread Clayton

I have superkaramba installed and already use some plugins (the almost
omnipresent LiquidWeather and some others).
None of the plugins for monitoring will display the info I need (CPU temp, HDD
rpm's, etc) even after executing sensors-detect as root and getting some
Succeed! messages for some sensors...

Any ideas on this?


Did you do the modprobes?  If you haven't done them manually either by
entering each line or by executing your init scripts (for example on
boot) then the kernel modules have not been loaded... only identified
by sensors-detect.


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-09 Thread Russell Jones

Couple of quick thoughts:
1. make sure your power cable is not coiled.
2. use Gnoppix/Knoppix or similar as a test distribution so you don't 
need to install anything.

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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Hans van der Merwe

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 03:25 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 for some strange reason, my openSuSE 10.2 is crashing too often these days 
 with, apparently, no reason.
 Here's an example taken from last | grep crash:
 

What kind of crash is it?
Totally dead, can still ping, mouse pointer stuck (if using X),
Diskdrive still active etc etc?





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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Martin Mielke
Hi,

it's a totally powered off-like crash.


Martin  



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On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 03:25 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
 Hi all!
 
 for some strange reason, my openSuSE 10.2 is crashing too often these days 
 with, apparently, no reason.
 Here's an example taken from last | grep crash:
 

What kind of crash is it?
Totally dead, can still ping, mouse pointer stuck (if using X),
Diskdrive still active etc etc?






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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Basil Chupin

Martin Mielke wrote:

Hi,

it's a totally powered off-like crash.


Almost looks like some setting is switching off the computer after a 
certain period of time - like hibernating it, but more so :-) .


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Hans van der Merwe

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 04:08 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
 Hi,
 
 it's a totally powered off-like crash.
 
 
 Martin  
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: opensuse opensuse@opensuse.org
 Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 12:29:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often
 
 
 On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 03:25 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
  Hi all!
  
  for some strange reason, my openSuSE 10.2 is crashing too often these days 
  with, apparently, no reason.
  Here's an example taken from last | grep crash:
  
 
 What kind of crash is it?
 Totally dead, can still ping, mouse pointer stuck (if using X),
 Diskdrive still active etc etc?
 
 
 

totally powered off ?
The power supply fan is still running I guess?

More info.
Does it crash while you're working, or after some time, while some GL
screensaver is running...?



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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Martin Mielke
Hi,

everything seems to be working correctly. Fans happily spinning and so...

As for the other reply I got on the list: this is not a laptop, so no 
hibernation should take place. The Kpowersaved isn't even running.

Crashing happens at random... well, haven't sit back watching the box till it 
dies/powers off...
Anyway, the last crash happened to me yesterday while working and listening to 
some streams using amaroK.  I tried the streams again but they are not the 
cause, as I listen to streams most of the time...


Thanks,
Martin

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[ snip ]

 

totally powered off ?
The power supply fan is still running I guess?

More info.
Does it crash while you're working, or after some time, while some GL
screensaver is running...?



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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Hans van der Merwe

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 04:53 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
 Hi,
 
 everything seems to be working correctly. Fans happily spinning and so...
 
 As for the other reply I got on the list: this is not a laptop, so no 
 hibernation should take place. The Kpowersaved isn't even running.
 
 Crashing happens at random... well, haven't sit back watching the box till it 
 dies/powers off...
 Anyway, the last crash happened to me yesterday while working and listening 
 to some streams using amaroK.  I tried the streams again but they are not the 
 cause, as I listen to streams most of the time...
 
 
 Thanks,
 Martin
 
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 From: Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: opensuse opensuse@opensuse.org
 Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 1:29:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often
 
 [ snip ]
 
  
 
 totally powered off ?
 The power supply fan is still running I guess?
 
 More info.
 Does it crash while you're working, or after some time, while some GL
 screensaver is running...?
 
 





Try connecting it to a second PC/Laptop and ping it from there (when its
stuck).
This will tell if the OS is dead or just the UI.

ps. Make sure your not blocking ping requests.




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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Basil Chupin

Martin Mielke wrote:

Hi,

everything seems to be working correctly. Fans happily spinning and so...

As for the other reply I got on the list: this is not a laptop, so no 
hibernation should take place. The Kpowersaved isn't even running.

Crashing happens at random... well, haven't sit back watching the box till it 
dies/powers off...
Anyway, the last crash happened to me yesterday while working and listening to 
some streams using amaroK.  I tried the streams again but they are not the 
cause, as I listen to streams most of the time...



Is it overheating and the CPU shuts down (but, of course, the fan keeps 
going to cool it)?


Cheers.


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Martin Mielke
Hmmm... that sounds weird...

is there any way to check the temperature and watch the r.p.m. on the fans w/o 
going to BIOS-level?

Thanks,
Martin


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[ snip ]

Is it overheating and the CPU shuts down (but, of course, the fan keeps 
going to cool it)?

Cheers.


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Martin Mielke
No use for this, as the box is completely powered off... as if you pulled the 
cable...


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[ snip ]


Try connecting it to a second PC/Laptop and ping it from there (when its
stuck).
This will tell if the OS is dead or just the UI.

ps. Make sure your not blocking ping requests.




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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Clayton

is there any way to check the temperature and watch the r.p.m. on the fans w/o
going to BIOS-level?


lm-sensors works well for this.  Once you ran sensors-detect you can
use lots of different tools to view the fan rpm/core temps etc.
(KSensors, gkrelm, SuperKaramba and pretty much any monitoring plugin,
etc etc).


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Hans van der Merwe

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 05:17 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
 No use for this, as the box is completely powered off... as if you pulled the 
 cable...
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Hans van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: opensuse opensuse@opensuse.org
 Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 1:55:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often
 
 [ snip ]
 
 
 Try connecting it to a second PC/Laptop and ping it from there (when its
 stuck).
 This will tell if the OS is dead or just the UI.
 
 ps. Make sure your not blocking ping requests.
 
 
 


Oh, ok, so it is really powering down! I thought dead as in not
responding but still breathing :)

This is probably a hardware problem.
Power supply maybe?
I know this sounds silly, but check the supply plug, at the PC and wall
socket.

If you have time - boot into your BIOS and leave the machine, see if it
still dies.
Or boot with install CD/DVD and run memtest until it dies (or not) 



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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Basil Chupin

Martin Mielke wrote:

Hmmm... that sounds weird...

is there any way to check the temperature and watch the r.p.m. on the fans w/o 
going to BIOS-level?

Thanks,
Martin


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Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 1:59:35 PM
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[ snip ]

Is it overheating and the CPU shuts down (but, of course, the fan keeps 
going to cool it)?


(To begin with: do not top-post, please.)

I have no idea if it is possible to watch the temp. I guess there must 
be a way in Linux but I haven't found it yet (I really haven't looked).


But start by looking in the BIOS and see what the temp. has been set to 
before CPU starts to shutdown -- ie, if your CPU does have this ability 
to slow down and then shut down when too hot.


BTW, you don't need to be a laptop in order to go into hibernation - you 
can set your PC to do this, as well as shutdown the HDs after a certain 
period or even switch off your monitor! (imagine that! :-) )


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Basil Chupin

Clayton wrote:
is there any way to check the temperature and watch the r.p.m. on the 
fans w/o

going to BIOS-level?


lm-sensors works well for this.  Once you ran sensors-detect you can
use lots of different tools to view the fan rpm/core temps etc.
(KSensors, gkrelm, SuperKaramba and pretty much any monitoring plugin,
etc etc).


Thanks for this. I'll now try these lm-sensors thing. (I rather miss the 
Motherboard Monitor I used in Windows to do this.)


Cheers.


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread jdd

Martin Mielke wrote:

No use for this, as the box is completely powered off... as if you pulled the 
cable...


if really so it's off course a HW problem, not any software one

may be problem with the power cable (I experienced this myself)

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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Leen de Braal

 Martin Mielke wrote:
 No use for this, as the box is completely powered off... as if you
 pulled the cable...

 if really so it's off course a HW problem, not any software one


Think so too.
Open the case and check the thickness of the dust-layer on your
coolingblock on the cpu (under the fan).
It should be zero :-)

If there is no problem, check the state of the capacitors on your
motherboard. Top should be flat (not bulged).

If visual inspection like this does not reveal anything, test your mem
first, as suggested earlier with memtest.

 may be problem with the power cable (I experienced this myself)

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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Clayton

 lm-sensors works well for this.  Once you ran sensors-detect you can
 use lots of different tools to view the fan rpm/core temps etc.
 (KSensors, gkrelm, SuperKaramba and pretty much any monitoring plugin,
 etc etc).

Thanks for this. I'll now try these lm-sensors thing. (I rather miss the
Motherboard Monitor I used in Windows to do this.)


A little extra info to get you started with monitoring

Once you've installed lm-sensors (it's on the SUSE disks) su to root,
and run sensors-detect.  This will ask you a whack of questions and
scan your hardware for various chipsets and monitoring hardware.  It
will end with a list of modules you can load into the kernel and ask
if you want to add it to your system initialization.

Once it's installed/configured you can run it from the command line as
$USER by typing sensors.  This will give you a single dump of the
various things it can monitor... voltages, fan speeds, temperatures
etc., and their current values.

If you want a GUI based output of this, you have more choices than you
can shake a proverbial stick at.  I like SuperKaramba and the Cyanpses
plugin.
http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=11405

Some people prefer gkrellm:
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.html

Both gkrellm and SuperKaramba are on the SUSE disks, and the pluins
for SuperKaramba can be downloaded/installed/managed within
SuperKaramba once it's started

I think the Gnome Desklets also can show info from sensors... but I
haven't tinkered that much with them yet.

Of course... there are dozens more tools that will show you the output
from sensors... pick the one that feels right to you :-)

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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Mathias Homann

Clayton schrieb:

 If you want a GUI based output of this, you have more choices than you
 can shake a proverbial stick at.  I like SuperKaramba and the Cyanpses
 plugin.
 http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html

Just for the record, that netdragon url is deprecated.
superkaramba is at version 0.41 by now, and since not too long ago it has been 
an official
part of KDE; suse packages it into kdeutils3-extra.

bye,
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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Tom Patton
sorry...must remember ctrl-L!

Perhaps you should choose a different session type on login, like fvwm,
and see if it stops.  That would isolate kde and screensaver issues.

Then I'd try booting with acpi off...

Tom



On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 05:17 -0800, Martin Mielke wrote:
 No use for this, as the box is completely powered off... as if you pulled the 
 cable...
 


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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Clayton

 If you want a GUI based output of this, you have more choices than you
 can shake a proverbial stick at.  I like SuperKaramba and the Cyanpses
 plugin.
 http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html

Just for the record, that netdragon url is deprecated.
superkaramba is at version 0.41 by now, and since not too long ago it has been 
an official
part of KDE; suse packages it into kdeutils3-extra.


Ooops... see what happens when you read your email at work :-)

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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Monday 08 January 2007 07:29, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
 totally powered off ?
 The power supply fan is still running I guess?

 More info.
 Does it crash while you're working, or after some time, while some GL
 screensaver is running...?

Just went through something like that here  (on 10.1)

Between  freezes (cursor locked), powering off by itself, and other weird 
events (which included a 'click' just before things would happen),  it turned 
out to be the power supply.   Replaced it, all went away.
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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Monday 08 January 2007 07:59, Basil Chupin wrote:
  Crashing happens at random... well, haven't sit back watching the box
  till it dies/powers off... Anyway, the last crash happened to me
  yesterday while working and listening to some streams using amaroK.  I
  tried the streams again but they are not the cause, as I listen to
  streams most of the time...

 Is it overheating and the CPU shuts down (but, of course, the fan keeps
 going to cool it)?

As an addendum to my other post about the power supply going bad  one 
other symptom was that occasionally when bringing up the system after a hang 
or a power off, the BIOS would say there was a thermal event which would 
indicate a temp problem.   I finally put a one minute cron job on the machine 
to log the current temp using 'sensors'  and could not see any such temp 
problem.  It was all a problem with the power supply.
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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Monday 08 January 2007 08:37, Basil Chupin wrote:
 Clayton wrote:
  is there any way to check the temperature and watch the r.p.m. on the
  fans w/o
  going to BIOS-level?
 
  lm-sensors works well for this.  Once you ran sensors-detect you can
  use lots of different tools to view the fan rpm/core temps etc.
  (KSensors, gkrelm, SuperKaramba and pretty much any monitoring plugin,
  etc etc).

 Thanks for this. I'll now try these lm-sensors thing. (I rather miss the
 Motherboard Monitor I used in Windows to do this.)

Sample output from sensors:

klinux1:/tmp # sensors
lm85b-i2c-0-2e
Adapter: SMBus I801 adapter at dc00

V1.5:   +1.52 V  (min =  +1.42 V, max =  +1.58 V)
VCore:  +1.47 V  (min =  +1.45 V, max =  +1.60 V)   
V3.3:   +3.35 V  (min =  +3.13 V, max =  +3.47 V)
V5:+5.10 V  (min =  +4.74 V, max =  +5.26 V)
V12:  +12.25 V  (min = +11.38 V, max = +12.62 V)
CPU_Fan:   2658 RPM  (min = 1500 RPM)
fan2: 0 RPM  (min =0 RPM)
fan3: 0 RPM  (min =0 RPM)
fan4: 0 RPM  (min =0 RPM)
CPU: +43°C  (low  =   +10°C, high =   +50°C) 
Board:   +29°C  (low  =   +10°C, high =   +35°C)
Remote:  +28°C  (low  =   +10°C, high =   +35°C)
CPU_PWM:   255
Fan2_PWM:  255
Fan3_PWM:   77
vid:  +1.525 V  (VRM Version 9.0)
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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread Jay Smith
You know what, I am having a similar problem with my notebook. It runs both Edgy
Eft and OpenSuSE 10.2. Both of them have problems with randomly crashing and 
then
I'd have to hard reboot in order to get back to use. 

After a while, I determined that it was indeed Hardware related. Try runnign
another distro or live CD and just keep using it and see if it crashes. The odds
of two unrelated distros crashing on the same machine pretty much eliminates the
software error theory. Also, when you started using the computer, did anything
either not work or work very funny? One tell tale sign on my computer was the
fact that my IPW3945 chip wouldn't work. I bought a new one, same problem. Well
it worked but it had a five foot range. That kinda clued me into the
possibility of other hardware issues. Luckily for me, still under warranty so I
filled an RMA.

Try running another distro and do what you would normally do on Linux. If it
crashes try again and time your crashes. Run a memtest again to check for RAM 
and
also do some (reiser)fsck to check if there are HDD errors. The cpu may be
overheating but if you have a working cooling system, it'd have to be working
overtime to overheat. Use kpowersaved, even on a desktop, it should give you a
read out on cpu power usage. 

Let me know what you find out. 

On Mon Jan  8  5:34 , Basil Chupin  sent:

Martin Mielke wrote:
 Hmmm... that sounds weird...
 
 is there any way to check the temperature and watch the r.p.m. on the fans 
 w/o
going to BIOS-level?
 
 Thanks,
 Martin
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, January 8, 2007 1:59:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often
 
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 Is it overheating and the CPU shuts down (but, of course, the fan keeps 
 going to cool it)?

(To begin with: do not top-post, please.)

I have no idea if it is possible to watch the temp. I guess there must 
be a way in Linux but I haven't found it yet (I really haven't looked).

But start by looking in the BIOS and see what the temp. has been set to 
before CPU starts to shutdown -- ie, if your CPU does have this ability 
to slow down and then shut down when too hot.

BTW, you don't need to be a laptop in order to go into hibernation - you 
can set your PC to do this, as well as shutdown the HDs after a certain 
period or even switch off your monitor! (imagine that! :-) )

Cheers.







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Re: [opensuse] openSuSE 10.2 crashing too often

2007-01-08 Thread ka1ifq
On Monday 08 January 2007 08:17, Martin Mielke wrote:
 No use for this, as the box is completely powered off... as if you pulled
 the cable...

Strange, but I have seen the actual end of the power cable being too 
long and 
not connecting fully cause this. I pulled the cable from the wall and used a 
sharp knife and trimmed the end, problem solved.
Check the fit with the computer powered off, see if you can feel it 
seating 
when you plug it in, if not try another cable or you could trim it, do no cut 
enough to expose the terminals!

Mike
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