Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-02-20 at 15:06 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Consider the people who typically use more than 15 partitions per disk: Really more than 15? Who has that? Currently, I have three disks, with 20, 13, and 16 partitions respectively. Certainly, not scssi. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF3tQwtTMYHG2NR9URAhGLAKCDa6Aj1Pk1UWhE+hqLjTXHIV6DDQCghFLk aBXWh9hOVIhi2Rkulk7bjrs= =CGfO -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Carlos E. R. wrote: The Tuesday 2007-02-20 at 15:06 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Consider the people who typically use more than 15 partitions per disk: Really more than 15? Who has that? Currently, I have three disks, with 20, 13, and 16 partitions respectively. Certainly, not scssi. Hi all Limiting to 15 partitions reminds me of de old DOS days I can not format FAT with more than 32 GB, in those days (when they developed FAT) I suppose nobody dreamt of more than 10 GB. So they developed NTFS but they are incompatible. Same goes for a screen 640 x XX. Tramiel OS TOS on Atari and the old Sinclair computers were way ahead of MO-DOS with its intrinsic limitations... Only extreme good marketing brought INTEL and MS-DOS on top, else Motorola, Texas Instruments Atari and Sinclair would have won the battle. So no I do not belief that we have to develop a system with intrinsic limitations, but then the future might prove me wrong. Regards, Hugo -- Hugo Oosterkamp email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hugo.oosterkamp.eu 00 351 91 900 5515 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Apt update - opinions needed
Hi folks, I've been asked by Richard Bos if I could update apt in factory to the version he has in the BS. This is based on a beta version of apt and offers repomd support but does *not* work with synaptic. So If I'd update apt, I'd drop synaptic. As I use neither of them, I need your input to decide whether to update or not. The choices are: [ ] Stay with stable apt and synaptic [ ] Update to beta apt with repomd support and forgo synaptic Philipp -- Anything whose specification is too complicated to explain easily probably needs to be redesigned. David Abrahams on boost - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Upgrading apt - your input is needed
Hi, I've been asked (by Richard Boes) to update apt to the one he's maintaining in the BS. This is based on a beta version of apt-rpm that supports repomd but does *not* work with synaptic. In deciding whether or not to update and drop synaptic I need your input, as I use neither apt nor synaptic. Philipp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Upgrading apt - your input is needed
On 2/23/07, Philipp Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been asked (by Richard Boes) to update apt to the one he's maintaining in the BS. This is based on a beta version of apt-rpm that supports repomd but does *not* work with synaptic. In deciding whether or not to update and drop synaptic I need your input, as I use neither apt nor synaptic. I am running 10.2 and I use apt. It is SO much better than yast2. Yast2 is unreliable and SLOW on my system. Other parts of Yast2 are fine. Just the software management part. Peace..e -- Edward Dunagin-Dunigan-Dunnigan 4646 Glenwood Drive Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 http://doas.montanalinux.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Upgrading apt - your input is needed
Hi Edward, * Edward Dunagin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20070223 16:45]: I am running 10.2 and I use apt. It is SO much better than yast2. Yast2 is unreliable and SLOW on my system. Other parts of Yast2 are fine. Just the software management part. Maybe I hadn't made myself clear enough. The question is not whether to drop apt, but rather whether repomd support is more important than compatibility with synaptic (which I'll definitely *not* fix to work with the beta apt-rpm). Philipp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Upgrading apt - your input is needed
Hi, On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Philipp Thomas wrote: * Edward Dunagin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [20070223 16:45]: I am running 10.2 and I use apt. It is SO much better than yast2. Yast2 is unreliable and SLOW on my system. Other parts of Yast2 are fine. Just the software management part. Maybe I hadn't made myself clear enough. The question is not whether to drop apt, but rather whether repomd support is more important than compatibility with synaptic (which I'll definitely *not* fix to work with the beta apt-rpm). repomd support is the heart of apt meanwhile. I will not create new apt repositories any more - the latest are for 10.1. So an apt which is part of factory is of no use if it does not support repomd. Better to have a working tool without GUI than a useless tool with GUI. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Apt update - opinions needed
* Philipp Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-21 13:25]: [ ] Stay with stable apt and synaptic [X] Update to beta apt with repomd support and forgo synaptic Bernhard pgpUjhceK1bBF.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse-factory] python-elementtree in Factory
I've noticed that python-elementtree was removed in Factory. Will it be returning? It's a very popular module that's used in a lot of Python projects, including osc. -- James Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] python-elementtree in Factory
Hi, I've noticed that python-elementtree was removed in Factory. Will it be returning? Probably not, as it's now part of the standard library. # rpm -ql python-xml | grep -i elementtree /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/ElementTree.py /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/ElementTree.pyc /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/ElementTree.pyo /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/cElementTree.py /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/cElementTree.pyc /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/cElementTree.pyo It's a very popular module that's used in a lot of Python projects, including osc. Is it possible to fix these projects to use import xml.etree instead of import elementtree? Andreas Hanke -- Feel free - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/topmail-out - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] python-elementtree in Factory
On Friday 23 February 2007 2:36 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've noticed that python-elementtree was removed in Factory. Will it be returning? Probably not, as it's now part of the standard library. # rpm -ql python-xml | grep -i elementtree /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/ElementTree.py /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/ElementTree.pyc /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/ElementTree.pyo /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/cElementTree.py /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/cElementTree.pyc /usr/lib/python2.5/xml/etree/cElementTree.pyo The only problem is that it does not contain all of the functionality of the official release. It was renamed in this way so that they can coexist. It's kind of like python-xml vs. PyXML. Is it possible to fix these projects to use import xml.etree instead of import elementtree? You can do something like this: try: import xml.etree as elementtree except ImportError: try: import cElementTree as elementtree except ImportError: import elementtree -- James Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] python-elementtree in Factory
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 02:22:27PM -0400, James Oakley wrote: I've noticed that python-elementtree was removed in Factory. Will it be returning? No, most likely it won't. It's a very popular module that's used in a lot of Python projects, including osc. osc already has code in place to use Python 2.5's xml.etree. (We just need to drop the python-elementtree requirement for $dist = 10.2). All other packages that depended on python-elementtree should have been patched to use xml.etree. If there are still hidden problems with this, let me know! Is there any functionally that existed in python-elementtree, which is not part of xml.etree that you relied on? (I only know of SimpleXMLWriter, which was only used by repoview and therefore is now being shipped with repoview.) Best, Christoph -- Christoph Thiel, Tech. Project Management, Research Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Upgrading apt - your input is needed
On 2/23/07, Richard Bos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op vrijdag 23 februari 2007 13:33, schreef Philipp Thomas: Hi, I've been asked (by Richard Bos) to update apt to the one he's maintaining in the BS. This is based on a beta version of apt-rpm that supports repomd but does *not* work with synaptic. In deciding whether or not to update and drop synaptic I need your input, as I use neither apt nor synaptic. It's not as black and white as you stated, as explained in this email: http://lists.laiskiainen.org/pipermail/apt-rpm-laiskiainen.org/2007-February/000592.html (hopefully Panu finds the time to get synaptic in shape before opensuse-10.3 freezes). -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now this little old users is really confused. What in the world is repomd??? And how is apt connected with synaptic? Does this now mean that when I run ap-get update, it really does not work, only looks like it does? Best wishes and Peaceed -- Edward Dunagin-Dunigan-Dunnigan 4646 Glenwood Drive Bozeman, MT 59718 mobile 406-570-0992 Landline 406-556-7282 http://doas.montanalinux.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Apt update - opinions needed
* Philipp Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-23-07 10:21]: As I use neither of them, I need your input to decide whether to update or not. The choices are: [ ] Stay with stable apt and synaptic [x] Update to beta apt with repomd support and forgo synaptic tks, -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Apt update - opinions needed
On 2007/02/21 13:25 (GMT+0100) Philipp Thomas apparently typed: I've been asked by Richard Bos if I could update apt in factory to the version he has in the BS. This is based on a beta version of apt and offers repomd support but does *not* work with synaptic. So If I'd update apt, I'd drop synaptic. As I use neither of them, I need your input to decide whether to update or not. The choices are: [X] Stay with stable apt and synaptic [ ] Update to beta apt with repomd support and forgo synaptic -- If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.1 John 1:8 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] improve boot time
hi suse boot time is very slow, about 54 sec on my dual core 4200+, 1 gig of ram. I removed a lot of services. http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/91107/bootchart-png.html this kind of system should booted in less than 30 sec the optimisation could be change depending of the profile of the machine. home machine server for a home user, the login screen should display very early in the boot process. Network could start after this boot screen, same thing for cups. Instead of use bash, dash could be used. It's take less memory and start program faster. Instead of detecting at everyboot the harddware, suse could save the info and use it for everyboot. A boot option could be added to detect new hardware. Keep service very low should be done. thanks Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] improve boot time
On Friday 23 February 2007 20:43, Collin Marc wrote: hi suse boot time is very slow, about 54 sec on my dual core 4200+, 1 gig of ram. I removed a lot of services. http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/91107/bootchart-png.html this kind of system should booted in less than 30 sec the optimisation could be change depending of the profile of the machine. home machine server for a home user, the login screen should display very early in the boot process. Network could start after this boot screen, same thing for cups. Instead of use bash, dash could be used. It's take less memory and start program faster. Compatibility with existing scripts? Instead of detecting at everyboot the harddware, suse could save the info and use it for everyboot. A boot option could be added to detect new hardware. It should be configurable. Not everyone wants fast boot. Some will prefer to have it as it is now, with more auto detection. Give user option to have automatic recognition or fast boot, or something in between. List of detected hardware and actions associated with, though this is already discussed, to limit installed functionality only to what is supported with detected hardware. Classic example in past was PCMCIA. The X Window system is one of candidates that deserve attention. Keep service very low should be done. thanks ___ _ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] improve boot time
excuse me, but how do I download bootchart.png ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
