Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
On Sat July 7 2007 13:51, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: > Hello Carlos, > this is not exactly what I understood in status meetings. For example > here: > > http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Status_Meeting_2007-04-25/transcript > > Andreas said they are switching from tetex to TeXLive: > > [quote] > > (18:02:44) Currently the major change is the switch to > TeXlive - from teTeX. (18:03:10) It's done for most of > the trivial stuff, now come some more esoteric packages. > [/quote] > > Moreover, I would not see the point of including a live edition of > TeX on the DVD/CD's of the distribution. They're going to include > only binaries, fonts and packages necessary to run LaTeX. That's why > I commented ;-) Oh, no. I was not aware of that. Thanks for point it out. I thought TexLive was in addition to teTex. I will change my vote on the other limb of the thread, because I need Latex badly and I make all my students use it. -- Carlos FL Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
On Saturday 07 July 2007 09:27, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > Michael Löffler wrote on opensuse-announce: > > Hi, > > > > the survey we did on proprietary software can be found here: > > http://en.opensuse.org/UX#Surveys > > > > It shows that we ship on the media some software which is hardly used > > (e.g. PlanMaker, SEPsesam etc.). Software which is hardly used we don't > > neet to ship on our media. Therfor my suggestion is to drop some software > > totally and offer some software only via ftp. To be discussed on > > opensuse-project. > > > > Best > > Michael > > > > PS: The question on TexLive was confusing. TexLive is open source but we > > wanted to know the use of it as it needs meanwhile so much space. > > So, Michael and myself *propose* the following actions: > > * Remove ARCAD completely since it does not work at all on x86-64 (see > bug #248873) It has also problem to recognize that it runs on dual screen which is, for the type of program, serious problem. > * Offer software that reached either > 80% on "Never" or less than 15 % > on "Often" + "Very often" only via *ftp* with 10.3. The following > software would be affected: > Planmaker > SEPsesam > > TeXlive > > Moneyplex falls also under this role, due to its usecase we suggest to > leave it on the media. > > What do you think? > > Andreas I would bring up again idea to create add on media or FTP snapshot. Add on can go with retail version and/or media that one can order separately online, FTP snapshot as online order only. It shouldn't be big problem to create media after online purchase. Many companies that produce small series of software use burners to produce media after customer order is confirmed. I don't know price details, but it shouldn't be big problem for SUSE too. The effort to squeeze as much as possible on limited media has it's cost too. -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] sudoers file permissions
Hi, Anybody know if the file permission change on /etc/sudoers from 0640 to 0440 is intentional? - I am syncing /etc/sudoers between multible SuSE boxes using rdist over ssh and on my 10.3/Factory box sudo started complaining. - For the time being I have a cronjob on that box that resets the permissions but it is kind of annoying. Regards Hubba - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
On Sun 08 Jul 2007 02:27:42 NZST +1200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > TeXlive > What do you think? I just put a dent in my head from hitting the roof over an absence of LaTeX from the DVD... Yes it's big, that's why having it on DVD helps. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
* Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-07 16:27]: > TeXlive No TeX distribution in the DVD set? Please not. The survey is *not* representative, and why should a TeX user take part at all if a survey is titled 'Proprietary Software'? It was IMO *very* hidden that TeX is in it. And TeX users are not people that read the openSUSE news every few days ... Please consider not only people coming from Windows as the target of openSUSE but also people who have been using Unix for a long time, mostly in the academic segment. I'm sure there are KDE and GNOME toys on the CD which have less users. Thanks, Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
> Alberto, > They are talking about TexLive > (http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=texlive), > which is a 1GB iso image that allows you to run Tex directly from a DVD > on another computer. All the other Latex and Tex related packages for > running in your own openSuse machine would remain in the installation > media. Hello Carlos, this is not exactly what I understood in status meetings. For example here: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Status_Meeting_2007-04-25/transcript Andreas said they are switching from tetex to TeXLive: [quote] (18:02:44) Currently the major change is the switch to TeXlive - from teTeX. (18:03:10) It's done for most of the trivial stuff, now come some more esoteric packages. [/quote] Moreover, I would not see the point of including a live edition of TeX on the DVD/CD's of the distribution. They're going to include only binaries, fonts and packages necessary to run LaTeX. That's why I commented ;-) With kind regards, A. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
On Sat July 7 2007 08:27, Andreas Jaeger wrote: > * Remove ARCAD completely since it does not work at all on x86-64 > (see bug #248873) > > * Offer software that reached either > 80% on "Never" or less than 15 > % on "Often" + "Very often" only via *ftp* with 10.3. The following > software would be affected: > Planmaker > SEPsesam > TextMaker > TeXlive > > Moneyplex falls also under this role, due to its usecase we suggest > to leave it on the media. > > What do you think? Agreed. -- Carlos FL Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
On Sat July 7 2007 10:08, Bernhard Walle wrote: > * Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-07 16:27]: > > TeXlive > > Also the DVD in the box? As the discussion in this enhancement suggestion shows: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263606 the box will not contain everything, because of the cost of the media, but it may be a case for offering TexLive on the additional DVD that could be offered as Torrent (see comment #26). -- Carlos FL Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
On Sat July 7 2007 10:02, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: > > TeXlive > > Hello, > I agree with you about ARCAD, Planmaker, SEPsesam and TextMaker. But > I think a LaTeX edition should be available also on some media. > > I think it's selected at installation time by a lot of > university/research users, so it might be worth to keep it. I know > it's big, but that's the reason I'd prefer to have it on media to > avoid long or repetitive downloads if you do multiple installations. Alberto, They are talking about TexLive (http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=texlive), which is a 1GB iso image that allows you to run Tex directly from a DVD on another computer. All the other Latex and Tex related packages for running in your own openSuse machine would remain in the installation media. -- Carlos FL Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
В сообщении от Saturday 07 July 2007 18:27:42 Andreas Jaeger написал(а): > Michael Löffler wrote on opensuse-announce: > > Hi, > > > > the survey we did on proprietary software can be found here: > > http://en.opensuse.org/UX#Surveys > > > > It shows that we ship on the media some software which is hardly used > > (e.g. PlanMaker, SEPsesam etc.). Software which is hardly used we don't > > neet to ship on our media. Therfor my suggestion is to drop some software > > totally and offer some software only via ftp. To be discussed on > > opensuse-project. > > > > Best > > Michael > > > > PS: The question on TexLive was confusing. TexLive is open source but we > > wanted to know the use of it as it needs meanwhile so much space. > > So, Michael and myself *propose* the following actions: > > * Remove ARCAD completely since it does not work at all on x86-64 (see > bug #248873) > > * Offer software that reached either > 80% on "Never" or less than 15 % > on "Often" + "Very often" only via *ftp* with 10.3. The following > software would be affected: > Planmaker > SEPsesam > TextMaker > TeXlive > > Moneyplex falls also under this role, due to its usecase we suggest to > leave it on the media. > > What do you think? > > Andreas I think it's impossible to decide if this or that program should left the media since we don't know the final media layout for 10.3 Does that mean that we stick to 6cd + kde/gnome 1cd variant or do you consider questions raised by bug #276018? Anyway regardless of the media size and layout I support dropping outdated, buggy and hardly used software. -- Regards, Nikolay Derkach - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
* Andreas Jaeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-07 16:27]: > TeXlive Also the DVD in the box? Thanks, Bernhard - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
> * Offer software that reached either > 80% on "Never" or less than 15 % > on "Often" + "Very often" only via *ftp* with 10.3. The following > software would be affected: > Planmaker > SEPsesam > TextMaker > TeXlive Hello, I agree with you about ARCAD, Planmaker, SEPsesam and TextMaker. But I think a LaTeX edition should be available also on some media. I think it's selected at installation time by a lot of university/research users, so it might be worth to keep it. I know it's big, but that's the reason I'd prefer to have it on media to avoid long or repetitive downloads if you do multiple installations. With kind regards, Alberto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE
Michael Löffler wrote on opensuse-announce: > Hi, > > the survey we did on proprietary software can be found here: > http://en.opensuse.org/UX#Surveys > > It shows that we ship on the media some software which is hardly used (e.g. > PlanMaker, SEPsesam etc.). Software which is hardly used we don't neet to > ship on our media. Therfor my suggestion is to drop some software totally and > offer some software only via ftp. To be discussed on opensuse-project. > > Best > Michael > > PS: The question on TexLive was confusing. TexLive is open source but we > wanted to know the use of it as it needs meanwhile so much space. So, Michael and myself *propose* the following actions: * Remove ARCAD completely since it does not work at all on x86-64 (see bug #248873) * Offer software that reached either > 80% on "Never" or less than 15 % on "Often" + "Very often" only via *ftp* with 10.3. The following software would be affected: Planmaker SEPsesam TextMaker TeXlive Moneyplex falls also under this role, due to its usecase we suggest to leave it on the media. What do you think? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform/openSUSE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpJXgtiHzgRA.pgp Description: PGP signature
