[opensuse-factory] packages.sk

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Czanik
Hello,
Spent some time debugging it, so I share my experience:
I use a local http server as installation source for factory. After
yesterday's sync I found, that installation sources are broken,
packages.sk is not available. It turned out, that it's a symlink, and
'AllowSymLinks' is missing from my apache configuration.
This brings up a few questions:
- the symlink was here since May. Why did not cause it any problem earlier?
- why do I need packages.sk at all, when my installation is English and
/ or Hungarian?
This is a wasted 5 MB of RAM, especially on low RAM machines, which I
test. Just checked, over 400MB of swap is used, while earlier alpha
releases used under 300MB. The best was around Alpha3 from this point of
view, if I recall well...
Bye,
CzP
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Re: [opensuse-factory] packages.sk

2007-07-19 Thread Stanislav Visnovsky
Dňa Št 19. Júl 2007 12:49 Peter Czanik napísal:
 Hello,
 Spent some time debugging it, so I share my experience:
 I use a local http server as installation source for factory. After
 yesterday's sync I found, that installation sources are broken,
 packages.sk is not available. It turned out, that it's a symlink, and
 'AllowSymLinks' is missing from my apache configuration.

This hack is there because Slovak can typically understand Czech package 
descriptions and this does not bloat our installation images.

 This brings up a few questions:
 - the symlink was here since May. Why did not cause it any problem earlier?

This might be there for quite some time (IIRC since some SUSE Linux 9.x)

 - why do I need packages.sk at all, when my installation is English and
 / or Hungarian?
 This is a wasted 5 MB of RAM, especially on low RAM machines, which I
 test. Just checked, over 400MB of swap is used, while earlier alpha
 releases used under 300MB. The best was around Alpha3 from this point of
 view, if I recall well...

I don't understand :(

Stano

 Bye,
 CzP
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[opensuse-factory] HP Printers problem 10.3 Alpha5plus x86_64

2007-07-19 Thread Sid Boyce
Everything was working on 10.3 Alpha4plus, setup using hp-setup. I 
hadn't tried printing again until 10.3 Alpha5plus. Jobs get queued but 
not printed. A test print to either Photosmart C4180 or DeskJet 840C 
from http://localhost:631 causes either printer status to go from green 
to yellow -- message:  DeskJet_840C (Default Printer) open device 
failed; will retry in 30 seconds...

Same happens for Photosmart.

From /var/log/cups/error_log.
I shall file a bug report later.

I [19/Jul/2007:03:14:03 +0100] Started filter 
/usr/lib64/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 3843) for job 44.
I [19/Jul/2007:03:14:03 +0100] Started backend 
/usr/lib64/cups/backend/hp (PID 3844) for job 44.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:35:58 +0100] Started filter 
/usr/lib64/cups/filter/pstops (PID 17469) for job 45.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:35:58 +0100] Started filter 
/usr/lib64/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 17470) for job 45.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:35:58 +0100] Started backend 
/usr/lib64/cups/backend/hp (PID 17471) for job 45.

I [19/Jul/2007:13:35:58 +0100] Job 44 was canceled by root.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:35:58 +0100] Job 45 was canceled by root.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:36:53 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:36:53 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17475)
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:11 +0100] 
commptr=?op=set-as-defaultprinter_name=Photosmart_C4100
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:11 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi (pid=17476)

E [19/Jul/2007:13:38:11 +0100] CUPS-Set-Default: Unauthorized
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:14 +0100] 
commptr=?op=set-as-defaultprinter_name=Photosmart_C4100
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:14 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi (pid=17477)

E [19/Jul/2007:13:38:14 +0100] CUPS-Set-Default: Unauthorized
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:14 +0100] Saving printers.conf...
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:14 +0100] Saving classes.conf...
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:14 +0100] Default destination set to 
Photosmart_C4100 by root.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:19 +0100] 
commptr=?OP=redirectURL=/printers/Photosmart_C4100
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:19 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi (pid=17479)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:19 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:19 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17480)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:36 +0100] commptr=?op=print-test-page
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:36 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17482)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:36 +0100] Adding start banner page none to job 46.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:36 +0100] Adding end banner page none to job 46.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:36 +0100] Job 46 queued on Photosmart_C4100 by 
guest.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:36 +0100] Started filter 
/usr/lib64/cups/filter/pstops (PID 17483) for job 46.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:36 +0100] Started filter 
/usr/lib64/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 17484) for job 46.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:36 +0100] Started backend 
/usr/lib64/cups/backend/hp (PID 17485) for job 46.

I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:39 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:39 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17497)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:50 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:38:50 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17499)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:01 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:01 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17500)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:04 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:04 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17501)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:15 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:15 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17502)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:26 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:26 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17503)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:28 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:28 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17504)
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:39 +0100] 
commptr=?op=set-as-defaultprinter_name=DeskJet_840C
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:39 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi (pid=17505)

E [19/Jul/2007:13:39:39 +0100] CUPS-Set-Default: Unauthorized
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:39 +0100] Saving printers.conf...
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:39 +0100] Saving classes.conf...
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:39 +0100] Default destination set to DeskJet_840C 
by root.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:44 +0100] 
commptr=?OP=redirectURL=/printers/DeskJet_840C
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:44 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi (pid=17506)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:44 +0100] commptr=
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:44 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17507)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:50 +0100] commptr=?op=print-test-page
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:50 +0100] Started 
/usr/lib64/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi (pid=17508)

I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:50 +0100] Adding start banner page none to job 47.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:50 +0100] Adding end banner page none to job 47.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:50 +0100] Job 47 queued on DeskJet_840C by guest.
I [19/Jul/2007:13:39:50 +0100] Started filter 
/usr/lib64/cups/filter/pstops (PID 17509) for job 47.
I 

[opensuse-factory] package management in next alpha/10.3

2007-07-19 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett

Hi community,

The next alpha6 of openSUSE 10.3 will contain lot of changes in the package 
management code.

I will try to summarize what is new so you can help us testing. The 
integration can bring some regressions, so please test it and help us to fix 
the remaining bugs during the betas.

What were the goals:

* no more refresh and parsing during startup.
* more compatibility with tools like yum and smart
* more speed for the common use case: install a package

Before ZYpp did not make difference between launching the sources and 
refreshing them.
This was quite annoying, and turned into needing network access for any 
operation requiring launching the sources first, like deleting, adding, 
searching.

How does it work now?

* Repositories now have a unique (in your system) alias.

* Adding a repository is just a matter of copying [a .repo file ][1] (like 
those provided by the build service) to /etc/zypp/repos.d directory. If you 
use zypper or YaST it will create them for you, and perform additional 
checks.

* Download of metadata happens during refresh. Also in this operation a binary 
cache is created.

* deleting a repository is just a matter of deleting its .repo file, or doing 
it via zypper/YaST (they take additional checks like vacuum the cache).

* YaST was just adapted and is still WIP, so in some places the old semantics 
could be still used (like refreshing repos even if it is not needed).

* The binary cache allow to start up zypper and install packages in a much 
faster way. Caching the metadata is slow. But you do it once per refresh, and 
the data is stored preparsed in the cache. This allows to launch small repos 
in fraction of a second, and big repos in seconds later. No more parsing 
files in each startup.

* Before lot of memory was used because most of the GUI data (descriptions, 
etc) was read into memory. Now all attributes (except resolvable information, 
for which we need indexes) is loaded on demand from the cache.

* refresh operation uses now much less memory. One one object is kept in 
memory at time while writing the cache.

For the developers:

* Lot of testcases. We can do more aggressive development without breaking 
basic stuff.
* Lot of redesign, to be able to implement new features.
* We build with cmake now

You expect for the future (post 10.3):

* Integrate search with the cache, so no need to launch the resolvables and 
loop for searching
* solving some queries from the cache?

 [1]: http://en.opensuse.org/Standards/RepoInfo

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[opensuse-factory] libzypp: what to test on alpha6

2007-07-19 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett

Repository handling
- Repositories can now be added either via yast, zypper or just copying 
a .repo file to /etc/zypp/repos.d
- a .repo file added by hand could have more than one repository defined 
inside.
- Mixing of hand repo operations with API repo operations in all combinations 
should succeed. We have testcases for this but still more can be find. We 
cover cases like, add a repo file with 2 repositories by hand, then delete 
one with zypper, and the other one should still be in the same file without 
loosing attributes.
- Cache, cache size, adding and removing.
adding repos, removing, adding (mixing hand operations with app operations), 
thousand times, the db size should not increase too much, neither stay 
constant (some things like names survive cache deletion because removing 
unused ones is a expensive operation )

Known to be somehow broken right now, but should be tested in the next alphas:
- Media handling, this is the most broken part.
- patches with scripts and delta rpms
- Disk usage calculation (should) be broken.

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[opensuse-factory] when to refresh?

2007-07-19 Thread Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett

Hi guys.

If you read already the news on package management, there are some open issues 
we would like to have feedback from you.

As you may know, now all operations on repositories are splitted, so you can 
add a repository without downloading metadata. But at some point to operate 
on them you need valid metadata and a binary cache.

An example:

zypper sa http://foo bar
zypper search moo
zypper install cuack

for the search, you need cache, for the cache you need metadata. Should ZYpper 
exit and tell the user to refresh, or should it ask the user whether to 
refresh without exiting?

In the case of YaST, should it download and refresh when adding the repos in 
inst_source, or should it do it during startup of the package selector?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] when to refresh?

2007-07-19 Thread Cristian Rodriguez R.
Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett escribió:

 for the search, you need cache, for the cache you need metadata. Should 
 ZYpper 
 exit and tell the user to refresh, or should it ask the user whether to 
 refresh without exiting?

hrmmm.. I think neither of those.. why ask if it knows that a refresh
is needed ?

 zypper search foobar

shlould IMHO automatically refresh if **and only if** there is no
metadata,and hence no cache.


 In the case of YaST, should it download and refresh when adding the repos in 
 inst_source, or should it do it during startup of the package selector?

During the startup of the package selector, the user may just want to
add a source to install packages later. ;)









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[opensuse-factory] Re: [softwaremgmt] when to refresh?

2007-07-19 Thread Martin Schlander
Den Thursday 19 July 2007 17:51:39 skrev Duncan Mac-Vicar Prett:
 zypper sa http://foo bar

Maybe zypper should ask already at this point: Repository added succesfully. 
Do you wish to download metadata (xx MB) now ? y/n?

 zypper search moo
 zypper install cuack

 for the search, you need cache, for the cache you need metadata. Should
 ZYpper exit and tell the user to refresh, or should it ask the user whether
 to refresh without exiting?

Better to ask. 

 In the case of YaST, should it download and refresh when adding the repos
 in inst_source, or should it do it during startup of the package selector?

Could we have it ask Download repository metadata now? after adding repo in 
yast? Perhaps even with an estimated size of the download.

If people select no, then it must do it on startup later. 

Personally I think it's more natural and intuitive that the metadata is 
downloaded when the repo is added. But of course most other package managers 
separate metadata download and repo adding completely. 

However to me the important thing is not so much when it's done, but mostly 
that the user gets clear information about what's happening when it's done.
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[opensuse-factory] minimal install

2007-07-19 Thread Coach-X
Can the new GNOME/KDE cd's be used to install a text only version as
well as a minimal graphical system?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] minimal install

2007-07-19 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Thursday 19 July 2007 schrieb Coach-X:
 Can the new GNOME/KDE cd's be used to install a text only version as
 well as a minimal graphical system?


Sure. You need to deactivate the patterns.

Greetings, Stephan

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[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6

2007-07-19 Thread David Bolt
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:-

snip

Media and Download
==

openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6 for i386, x86-64 and ppc comes as different media
sets:
* 1 DVD containing the contents of the 5 CDs and the NonOSS AddOn CD
* 1 CD with a default KDE installation (not for ppc yet)
* 1 CD with a default GNOME installation (not for ppc yet)
* 1 AddOn CD with only NonOSS packages on it
* 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for extra
  languages (the DVD contains support for english, french, italian, spanish,
  german, chinese, japanese, czech, danish, norwegian, khmer,
  hungarian, polish) (the DVD has support for installation in all
  languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
* DVD/CDs containing the sources corresponding to the media

We have created Delta ISOs from openSUSE 10.3 Alpha5.  Please use them
for download.

No mention of the normal CD ISOs, nor the alpha5_alpha6 delta ISOs,
being released. Are there plans to create and release the normal CD
ISOs?


Regards,
David Bolt

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Re: [opensuse-factory] minimal install

2007-07-19 Thread Coach-X
On 7/19/2007 1:38 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:
 Am Thursday 19 July 2007 schrieb Coach-X:
 Can the new GNOME/KDE cd's be used to install a text only version as
 well as a minimal graphical system?

 
 Sure. You need to deactivate the patterns.
 

Thanks for the reply, what I meant to ask was, can you just select text
only or minimal graphical system as an option at the beginning of the
install (as it is in 10.2)  Is this possible?
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6

2007-07-19 Thread Martin Schlander
Den Thursday 19 July 2007 19:46:16 skrev David Bolt:
 No mention of the normal CD ISOs, nor the alpha5_alpha6 delta ISOs,
 being released. Are there plans to create and release the normal CD
 ISOs?

See the transscript of yesterday's status meeting:

http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Status_Meeting_2007-07-18/transcript#Status_Distribution
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6

2007-07-19 Thread David Bolt
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Martin Schlander wrote:-

Den Thursday 19 July 2007 19:46:16 skrev David Bolt:
 No mention of the normal CD ISOs, nor the alpha5_alpha6 delta ISOs,
 being released. Are there plans to create and release the normal CD
 ISOs?

See the transscript of yesterday's status meeting:

http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Status_Meeting_2007-07-18/transcript#St
atus_Distribution

There was a status meeting yesterday? I didn't see any mention of that
in announce otherwise I'd have tried to be there. However. After reading
the transcript, it does explain things a bit. I do have a feeling that
there are going to be quite a few people that weren't there to say
they'd like the CDs that will miss them, especially those that
downloaded the alpha5 CDs[0], and I include myself in that group.


[0] Purely out of curiosity, I know it's difficult to check how much had
been transferred via FTP or HTTP, without making a little more work for
the maintainers of the mirrors, but did anyone look to see just how much
they had been downloaded over bittorrent? I can see that I've seeded
almost 28GB, and there are likely to be others that have seeded much
more than I have.

Regards,
David Bolt

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[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6

2007-07-19 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Thursday 19 July 2007 schrieb David Bolt:
 On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:-

 snip

 Media and Download
 ==
 
 openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6 for i386, x86-64 and ppc comes as different media
 sets:
 * 1 DVD containing the contents of the 5 CDs and the NonOSS AddOn CD
 * 1 CD with a default KDE installation (not for ppc yet)
 * 1 CD with a default GNOME installation (not for ppc yet)
 * 1 AddOn CD with only NonOSS packages on it
 * 1 AddOn CD with language packages that are used for extra
   languages (the DVD contains support for english, french, italian,
  spanish, german, chinese, japanese, czech, danish, norwegian, khmer,
   hungarian, polish) (the DVD has support for installation in all
   languages, just extra packages are only on this extra media)
 * DVD/CDs containing the sources corresponding to the media
 
 We have created Delta ISOs from openSUSE 10.3 Alpha5.  Please use them
 for download.

 No mention of the normal CD ISOs, nor the alpha5_alpha6 delta ISOs,
 being released. Are there plans to create and release the normal CD
 ISOs?

Indeed, I forgot to mention: there are no CDs no more.

Greetings, Stephan
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Re: [opensuse-factory] minimal install

2007-07-19 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Thursday 19 July 2007 schrieb Coach-X:
 On 7/19/2007 1:38 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:
  Am Thursday 19 July 2007 schrieb Coach-X:
  Can the new GNOME/KDE cd's be used to install a text only version as
  well as a minimal graphical system?
 
  Sure. You need to deactivate the patterns.

 Thanks for the reply, what I meant to ask was, can you just select text
 only or minimal graphical system as an option at the beginning of the
 install (as it is in 10.2)  Is this possible?
No. That option is part of the desktop selection, which is pointless with a CD 
containing only one desktop.

Greetings, Stephan

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6

2007-07-19 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Thursday 19 July 2007 schrieb David Bolt:
 There was a status meeting yesterday? I didn't see any mention of that
 in announce otherwise I'd have tried to be there. However. After reading
 the transcript, it does explain things a bit. I do have a feeling that
 there are going to be quite a few people that weren't there to say
 they'd like the CDs that will miss them, especially those that
 downloaded the alpha5 CDs[0], and I include myself in that group.
I'm sure there are people having used them. But we feel that one CD installs 
are more useful to more people. I guess having to throw away the CDs and not
having deltas available is a big hit, but you seem to have no bandwidth 
problems :)

Greetings, Stephan
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6

2007-07-19 Thread David Bolt
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:-

I'm sure there are people having used them. But we feel that one CD installs
are more useful to more people. I guess having to throw away the CDs and not
having deltas available is a big hit, but you seem to have no bandwidth
problems :)

For uploads, I have no known limit, apart from the maximum outbound
bandwidth, and I'd have probably seeded more if I hadn't restricted it
to 10KB/s.

However, in common with almost all UK ISPs, my downloads are
capped[0]. My ISP is actually pretty generous and allow a download of
60GB per rolling 30 day period before they restricted the download rate
to little more than dial-up speeds. Other UK users aren't going to be
quite so lucky.

The only change this will make for me is to remove the need for further
development of makeSUSEdvd, since there's almost no need for it any
more[1].


[0] They don't call it a cap, preferring to hide it under fair usage
terms allowing them to claim they provide an unlimited service. Anyway,
that's all beside the point, and totally OT, so I'll shut up about that
now before I start ranting.

[1] It's still going to be useful to add extra packages/patterns and
remove unwanted (non-OSS?) packages/patterns, as well as adding extra,
third party, repositories.

Regards,
David Bolt

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6

2007-07-19 Thread Stephan Binner
On Thursday 19 July 2007 20:50:48 David Bolt wrote:

 There was a status meeting yesterday? I didn't see any mention of that
 in announce otherwise I'd have tried to be there. However. After reading

The reminder was a bit earlier posted than usual, already on Monday. :-)

 I do have a feeling that there are going to be quite a few people that
 weren't there to say they'd like the CDs that will miss them, especially

Be sure feedback received elsewhere like on this list will be also observed.

Bye,
   Steve
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Alpha 6 install

2007-07-19 Thread Donn Washburn

Kenneth Schneider wrote:

Trying to upgrade from alpha 5 to alpha 6 and I'm getting a lot of curl
errors with an unrecognized error code. Appears to be an ftp error.
Never had this on all of the previous alpha upgrades.

Ken

Where did you find Alpha 6?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] Announcing openSUSE 10.3 Alpha6

2007-07-19 Thread David Bolt
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, Stephan Binner wrote:-

On Thursday 19 July 2007 20:50:48 David Bolt wrote:

 There was a status meeting yesterday? I didn't see any mention of that
 in announce otherwise I'd have tried to be there. However. After reading

The reminder was a bit earlier posted than usual, already on Monday. :-)

I've found it. For some reason it ended up threaded with a much earlier
meeting announcement so I didn't realise it was for yesterdays meeting
:(

 I do have a feeling that there are going to be quite a few people that
 weren't there to say they'd like the CDs that will miss them, especially

Be sure feedback received elsewhere like on this list will be also observed.

Well, as a little feedback, I will miss them, since they allowed me to
have a completely OSS system without having to go through and de-select
non-OSS packages. A good point about not having them is that now there
is no need to try and figure out which package goes on which disc, and
it sort-of fixed bug #284979 :)


Regards,
David Bolt

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Alpha 6 install

2007-07-19 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 17:20 -0500, Donn Washburn wrote:
 Kenneth Schneider wrote:
  Trying to upgrade from alpha 5 to alpha 6 and I'm getting a lot of curl
  errors with an unrecognized error code. Appears to be an ftp error.
  Never had this on all of the previous alpha upgrades.
  
  Ken
 Where did you find Alpha 6?
 

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3-Alpha6/
Been there since early this morning.

Further info while I'm at it:

Applied the delta iso to the alpha 5 DVD, loop mounted the DVD on my
server and I'm doing an FTP upgrade. The upgrade hangs every now and
then with the above error, if I click on retry right away the error
message comes back but if I wait 15-20 seconds the upgrade will continue
on to the next package.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Alpha 6 install

2007-07-19 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 17:46 -0500, Donn Washburn wrote:
 Kenneth Schneider wrote:
  On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 17:20 -0500, Donn Washburn wrote:
  Kenneth Schneider wrote:
  Trying to upgrade from alpha 5 to alpha 6 and I'm getting a lot of curl
  errors with an unrecognized error code. Appears to be an ftp error.
  Never had this on all of the previous alpha upgrades.
 
  Ken
  Where did you find Alpha 6?
 
  
  http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3-Alpha6/
  Been there since early this morning.
  
  Further info while I'm at it:
  
  Applied the delta iso to the alpha 5 DVD, loop mounted the DVD on my
  server and I'm doing an FTP upgrade. The upgrade hangs every now and
  then with the above error, if I click on retry right away the error
  message comes back but if I wait 15-20 seconds the upgrade will continue
  on to the next package.
  
 
 Thanks Ken;
 
 However, is there a normal FTP or other way to get the DVD short of Bit 
 Torrent.  That is because I seem to only get a download speed of 6.3k 
 off of a DSL 350K line.  The last DVD (Alpha 5) took about 2 full days.
 I just tried Alpha 6 and it was just as slow.
 
 Anyone have a clue?  Your been there since morning implies you are 
 having the same problem.
 

No. Downloaded the DVD delta via ftp this morning in about 1 1/2 hours.
Took 2.5 hours for the applydeltaiso to run and I'm now going through
the upgrade. I have tried bittorrent many times in the past and every
time it was dead slow so I gave up on it and will only use ftp from here
on out.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Alpha 6 install

2007-07-19 Thread Donn Washburn

Kenneth Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 17:46 -0500, Donn Washburn wrote:

Kenneth Schneider wrote:

On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 17:20 -0500, Donn Washburn wrote:

Kenneth Schneider wrote:

Trying to upgrade from alpha 5 to alpha 6 and I'm getting a lot of curl
errors with an unrecognized error code. Appears to be an ftp error.
Never had this on all of the previous alpha upgrades.

Ken

Where did you find Alpha 6?


http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3-Alpha6/






No. Downloaded the DVD delta via ftp this morning in about 1 1/2 hours.
Took 2.5 hours for the applydeltaiso to run and I'm now going through
the upgrade. I have tried bittorrent many times in the past and every
time it was dead slow so I gave up on it and will only use ftp from here
on out.

Sorry about the K and I meant M - this job I have is ruining my life 
and memory.  I do agree that it BitTorrent is a dead horse.  So where 
did you get the ftp version?


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Re: [opensuse-factory] Alpha 6 install

2007-07-19 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 18:22 -0500, Donn Washburn wrote:
 Kenneth Schneider wrote:
  On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 17:46 -0500, Donn Washburn wrote:
  Kenneth Schneider wrote:
  On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 17:20 -0500, Donn Washburn wrote:
  Kenneth Schneider wrote:
  Trying to upgrade from alpha 5 to alpha 6 and I'm getting a lot of curl
  errors with an unrecognized error code. Appears to be an ftp error.
  Never had this on all of the previous alpha upgrades.
 
  Ken
  Where did you find Alpha 6?
 
  http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3-Alpha6/
 
 
  
  No. Downloaded the DVD delta via ftp this morning in about 1 1/2 hours.
  Took 2.5 hours for the applydeltaiso to run and I'm now going through
  the upgrade. I have tried bittorrent many times in the past and every
  time it was dead slow so I gave up on it and will only use ftp from here
  on out.
  
 Sorry about the K and I meant M - this job I have is ruining my life 
 and memory.  I do agree that it BitTorrent is a dead horse.  So where 
 did you get the ftp version?
 

From the above link. I downloaded the delta DVD iso image as I stated
above.

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