Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: > Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 13:37:23 skrev Benji Weber: > > On 19/09/2007, Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:53:59 skrev Benji Weber: > > > > Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require > > > > the sun plugin. > > > > > > People keep saying that. Could you please tell me this: > > > > > > 1) which path do you have set in konq for Java > > > > The default is fine, or just use /usr/bin/java. > > > > > 2) which Sun Java version+arch do you have installed > > > > java 1.6, x86_64 > > > > > 3) a link to one or more websites with applets working > > > > http://chir.ag/stuff/sand/ [warning, addictive] > > http://benjiweber.co.uk/konq-falling-sand.png > > Wow, it really does work. > > With Sun Java 1.6 x86_64 I could get it to work in konq when specifying this > path: /usr/lib64/jvm/java-1.6.0.u1-sun-1.6.0.u1/jre/bin/java > > Checked the Falling sand game linked above and also verified installation on > java.com. So this would be a good solution for most. > > Unfortunately my homebanking issues aren't solved by this. One of my banks > crashes Konq when I try to accept their certificate - and the other one > claims Konq doesn't support session cookies.. :-( I had to change konquerors Browser Identification to firefox to get a working page on one of my tests. -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007, Benji Weber wrote: > On 19/09/2007, Andreas Vetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think such cases have to be clear for everybody: if you need Java and > > > you really can't live without it, go for 32bit. Yast/whatever tool and > > > the Documentation should offer an easy way for this. And then it should > > > clearly be noted that many other things might get broken. For those > > > users, a pure 32bit system might be better suitable then (or maybe a VM) > > Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require > the sun plugin. Well this does not run all applets. Some applets only produce a "applet failed" error, while others work. > The other problem with installing 32bit firefox for java is that it > also requires 32bit java. Java applets may be used less frequently now > but there are many java applications, and many people do java > development. -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 13:37:23 skrev Benji Weber: > On 19/09/2007, Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:53:59 skrev Benji Weber: > > > Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require > > > the sun plugin. > > > > People keep saying that. Could you please tell me this: > > > > 1) which path do you have set in konq for Java > > The default is fine, or just use /usr/bin/java. > > > 2) which Sun Java version+arch do you have installed > > java 1.6, x86_64 > > > 3) a link to one or more websites with applets working > > http://chir.ag/stuff/sand/ [warning, addictive] > http://benjiweber.co.uk/konq-falling-sand.png Wow, it really does work. With Sun Java 1.6 x86_64 I could get it to work in konq when specifying this path: /usr/lib64/jvm/java-1.6.0.u1-sun-1.6.0.u1/jre/bin/java Checked the Falling sand game linked above and also verified installation on java.com. So this would be a good solution for most. Unfortunately my homebanking issues aren't solved by this. One of my banks crashes Konq when I try to accept their certificate - and the other one claims Konq doesn't support session cookies.. :-( - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
On 19/09/2007, Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:53:59 skrev Benji Weber: > > Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require > > the sun plugin. > > People keep saying that. Could you please tell me this: > > 1) which path do you have set in konq for Java The default is fine, or just use /usr/bin/java. > 2) which Sun Java version+arch do you have installed java 1.6, x86_64 > 3) a link to one or more websites with applets working http://chir.ag/stuff/sand/ [warning, addictive] http://benjiweber.co.uk/konq-falling-sand.png _ Benjamin Weber - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Wednesday 19 September 2007 12:53:59 skrev Benji Weber: > Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require > the sun plugin. People keep saying that. Could you please tell me this: 1) which path do you have set in konq for Java 2) which Sun Java version+arch do you have installed 3) a link to one or more websites with applets working - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
On 19/09/2007, Andreas Vetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think such cases have to be clear for everybody: if you need Java and > > you really can't live without it, go for 32bit. Yast/whatever tool and > > the Documentation should offer an easy way for this. And then it should > > clearly be noted that many other things might get broken. For those > > users, a pure 32bit system might be better suitable then (or maybe a VM) Java works fine with 64bit konqueror btw. Konqueror doesn't require the sun plugin. The other problem with installing 32bit firefox for java is that it also requires 32bit java. Java applets may be used less frequently now but there are many java applications, and many people do java development. _ Benjamin Weber - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: > >>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 6:32 PM, Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > > Den Tuesday 18 September 2007 16:27:22 skrev Gregg Nicholas: > >> > I reopened > >> > [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems > >> > [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 > >> > to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system > >> > without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes. > >> > > >> I have to agree with Andreas Vetter. Firefox/java/flash should simply > >> work, without manual intervention, on any gui installation (even x86_64). > >> In my opinion, the decision to go with only OSS solutions - even though > >> they don't work right - is likely to push end-users toward other > >> distributions. > > > > As it can be seen from my bugreports that avetter reopened I share the > > opinion > > that 32-bit Firefox should be shipped. Especially since > > software.opensuse.org > > > > has no "warning" about downloading the x86_64 version. > > > > However I don't think the decision has anything to do with ideology. When > > people install x86_64 they don't want 32-bit Firefox - they want to run > > full > > 64-bit so they can enjoy all the imaginatory performance improvements. Now > > we > > > > even have 64-bit OOo.. > > > > Flash works with nspluginwrapper with 64-bit Firefox - I don't know how > > many > > people actually come across java webapplets - personally I only need it for > > homebanking - but that of course is enough to make me install 32-bit > > Firefox - which I tested and "downgrading" ran without incident, except for > > me having to remove classpath-webplugin - and that issue will be fixed. > > I agree completely: flash works flawless with the nspluginwrapper and > Java is one of the things I never need on a website (even my bank > webinterfaces don't use it anymore). I agree, it's not very much used on newer webpages, but a lot of older stuff is in Java. Especially a lot of physics related material for our students is Java. Additionally a lot of web interfaces for hardware use Java (tape libraries, storage systems, uninteruptible power supplies, ...). > Also think about other impacts having a 32bit firefox imposes: I'm > maintaining packages of a not to be called by name Video Client, and we > offer a plugin for Firefox. Of course, when installing 64bit Video > Client, the 64bit plugin get's installed. Having a 32bit version of > Firefox forces the user also to 'downgrade' a lot of other applications. Yes that's true, that's the reason I didn't use this plugin in older suse distros. > I think such cases have to be clear for everybody: if you need Java and > you really can't live without it, go for 32bit. Yast/whatever tool and > the Documentation should offer an easy way for this. And then it should > clearly be noted that many other things might get broken. For those > users, a pure 32bit system might be better suitable then (or maybe a VM) -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Kulow wrote: > Easing the update path in adding conflicts is very fine with me though. This > should be reported though. Why not to use alternatives instead? One could chose which plug-in one wants using "update-alternatives". Cheers Fridrich -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG8HUNu9a1imXPdA8RApmnAJ4jMu/o0EfvFpgXdNtj+OO02frCvQCfSryy sHFAgqfod1q/jr9IoCc1jUg= =BO1D -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 6:32 PM, Martin Schlander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: > Den Tuesday 18 September 2007 16:27:22 skrev Gregg Nicholas: >> > I reopened >> > [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems >> > [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 >> > to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system >> > without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes. >> > >> I have to agree with Andreas Vetter. Firefox/java/flash should simply >> work, without manual intervention, on any gui installation (even x86_64). >> In my opinion, the decision to go with only OSS solutions - even though >> they don't work right - is likely to push end-users toward other >> distributions. > > As it can be seen from my bugreports that avetter reopened I share the > opinion > that 32-bit Firefox should be shipped. Especially since software.opensuse.org > > has no "warning" about downloading the x86_64 version. > > However I don't think the decision has anything to do with ideology. When > people install x86_64 they don't want 32-bit Firefox - they want to run full > 64-bit so they can enjoy all the imaginatory performance improvements. Now we > > even have 64-bit OOo.. > > Flash works with nspluginwrapper with 64-bit Firefox - I don't know how many > people actually come across java webapplets - personally I only need it for > homebanking - but that of course is enough to make me install 32-bit > Firefox - which I tested and "downgrading" ran without incident, except for > me having to remove classpath-webplugin - and that issue will be fixed. I agree completely: flash works flawless with the nspluginwrapper and Java is one of the things I never need on a website (even my bank webinterfaces don't use it anymore). Also think about other impacts having a 32bit firefox imposes: I'm maintaining packages of a not to be called by name Video Client, and we offer a plugin for Firefox. Of course, when installing 64bit Video Client, the 64bit plugin get's installed. Having a 32bit version of Firefox forces the user also to 'downgrade' a lot of other applications. I think such cases have to be clear for everybody: if you need Java and you really can't live without it, go for 32bit. Yast/whatever tool and the Documentation should offer an easy way for this. And then it should clearly be noted that many other things might get broken. For those users, a pure 32bit system might be better suitable then (or maybe a VM) Greetings, Dominique TMF is a global management and accounting outsourcing firm with 73 offices in 57 countries and over 2,000 professionals (2007). TMF is expanding rapidly throughout the world. Learn more about our unique network and our services and visit our website at www.tmf-group.com. The information contained in this e-mail communication is confidential and solely intended for the person to whom it is addressed. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to notify the sender and to destroy the original e-mail communication. TMF is neither liable for the correct and complete transmission of the information contained in this e-mail communication nor for any delay in its receipt. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been checked for the presence of computer viruses. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
>> I have to agree with Andreas Vetter. Firefox/java/flash should simply >> work, without manual intervention, on any gui installation (even >> x86_64). >> In my opinion, the decision to go with only OSS solutions - even though >> they don't work right - is likely to push end-users toward other >> distributions. > > Can you name a distribution that has a working java on x86_64? perhaps we > can > check how they solved it. > > Greetings, Stephan Sorry. openSUSE is the only 64-bit o/s that I've tested so far. I've tried a few other 32-bit distros, but I've been reluctant to spend much time with them because we use Novell OES at work. I tried installing 64-bit NLD on my work PC, but had to back off because too many things didn't work (at that time). I apologize for complaining without sufficiently testing other distros. Gregg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Am Dienstag 18 September 2007 schrieb Gregg Nicholas: > > I reopened > > [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems > > [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 > > to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system > > without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes. > > > > > > -- > > Mit freundlichen Gruessen, > > Andreas Vetter > > I have to agree with Andreas Vetter. Firefox/java/flash should simply > work, without manual intervention, on any gui installation (even x86_64). > In my opinion, the decision to go with only OSS solutions - even though > they don't work right - is likely to push end-users toward other > distributions. Can you name a distribution that has a working java on x86_64? perhaps we can check how they solved it. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Tuesday 18 September 2007 16:27:22 skrev Gregg Nicholas: > > I reopened > > [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems > > [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 > > to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system > > without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes. > > > I have to agree with Andreas Vetter. Firefox/java/flash should simply > work, without manual intervention, on any gui installation (even x86_64). > In my opinion, the decision to go with only OSS solutions - even though > they don't work right - is likely to push end-users toward other > distributions. As it can be seen from my bugreports that avetter reopened I share the opinion that 32-bit Firefox should be shipped. Especially since software.opensuse.org has no "warning" about downloading the x86_64 version. However I don't think the decision has anything to do with ideology. When people install x86_64 they don't want 32-bit Firefox - they want to run full 64-bit so they can enjoy all the imaginatory performance improvements. Now we even have 64-bit OOo.. Flash works with nspluginwrapper with 64-bit Firefox - I don't know how many people actually come across java webapplets - personally I only need it for homebanking - but that of course is enough to make me install 32-bit Firefox - which I tested and "downgrading" ran without incident, except for me having to remove classpath-webplugin - and that issue will be fixed. I think that x86_64 users should expect some bumps here and there - but I also think that this should be noted on s.o.o .. we had that discussion before, but since these events show it's relevance I'm bringing it up again. It should somehow be communicated that x86 is the safest/simplest choice - also with x86_64 hardware. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
> I reopened > [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems > [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 > to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system > without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes. > > > -- > Mit freundlichen Gruessen, > Andreas Vetter I have to agree with Andreas Vetter. Firefox/java/flash should simply work, without manual intervention, on any gui installation (even x86_64). In my opinion, the decision to go with only OSS solutions - even though they don't work right - is likely to push end-users toward other distributions. Please pardon me for slipping off-topic for a minute, but I'm surprised that so many things still aren't working at this stage in the release. For example, I'm still fighting with these issues: nvidia 6800 video artifacts require frequent X restarts USB flash drives only mount for root alt-F2 commands for yast and sax2 bring up my router's web page kdetv fails even though the tuner was found during installation Whenever I install a new alpha/beta of openSUSE, it takes a couple days to get some of my favorite applications working again. Part of this time is spent removing the openSUSE versions of some applications so that I can install versions that aren't crippled (codecs and torrents). We can't expect to lure anyone away from other operating systems and distributions with a broken web browser experience and multimedia experience. Gregg Nicholas p.s. I've been manually installing kpodder and Miro since I haven't found a repository that includes them. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote: > Am Dienstag 18 September 2007 schrieb Andreas Vetter: > > > > I reopened > > [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems > > [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 > > to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system > > without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes. > And I disagree. If we don't make it obvious that Sun's "x86_64 is for servers > only, no-one needs firefox there" is wrong, there is no chance either Sun > changes that or the open source java catches up. You're free to put your > money > behind either side, but we took side - on the OSS side of life (with a > hopefully easy way for our users to go with a NON-OSS alternative if present > on that architecture). Hmm, I agree that Sun is the culprit, but I think it will fall back to openSUSE. At least we need a simple to follow guide how to get a working firefox with java (including a complaint to Sun). > Easing the update path in adding conflicts is very fine with me though. This > should be reported though. -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Tuesday 18 September 2007 10:01:20 skrev Stephan Kulow: > Easing the update path in adding conflicts is very fine with me though. > This should be reported though. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=325912 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Am Dienstag 18 September 2007 schrieb Andreas Vetter: > > I reopened > [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems > [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 > to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system > without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes. And I disagree. If we don't make it obvious that Sun's "x86_64 is for servers only, no-one needs firefox there" is wrong, there is no chance either Sun changes that or the open source java catches up. You're free to put your money behind either side, but we took side - on the OSS side of life (with a hopefully easy way for our users to go with a NON-OSS alternative if present on that architecture). Easing the update path in adding conflicts is very fine with me though. This should be reported though. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote: > Andreas Vetter wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: > > > >>> Can I suggest > >>> > >>> - Making the sun plugin conflict with the classpath webplugin. > >>> - Preferably don't install the classpath version at all, if you're > >>> worried about completely free java go for java 7 it would be more > >>> reliable than classpath. > >> I had this problem too. This was on x86_64 however, but I installed 32-bit > >> firefox and sun java-plugin and had problems getting it to work until I > >> figured out that I must manually remove classpath-webplugin. I thought > >> classpath-webplugin was only installed by default on 64-bit installations, > >> but apparently it's also done on 32-bit - it doesn't do much good anywhere > >> - > >> but on 32-bit it's extra problematic. > >> > >> I support Benji's proposed resolutions. > > > > IMO it is a mistake to release a 64 bit firefox without a really (!) > > working java. Releasing a 32 bit firefox was much better in the older > > distros. > > > > Anyone opened a bug to let the plugins conflict? IMHO that's mandatory. > It makes absolutely no sense to have more than one plugin installed for > one type since at least all Mozilla stuff behaves non-deterministic in > choosing one :-( > And I agree that not having a working Java plugin is almost as bad as > not having a working Flash player (which should basically work maybe > only with manual interaction with nspluginwrapper though). > > So replacing Firefox with the 32bit version, removing > classpath-webplugin and installing Sun's 32bit Java with plugin will be > an FAQ :-( I reopened [Bug 264228] nspluginwrapper + java plugin problems [Bug 288750] Home bank issues with java+firefox on x86_64 to get a final decision. I know it's really late, but a 64bit system without a working firefox/java combination is a blocker in my eyes. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Tel: +49 (0)931 888-5890 Universitaet WuerzburgFax: +49 (0)931 888-5508 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Andreas Vetter wrote: > On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: > >>> Can I suggest >>> >>> - Making the sun plugin conflict with the classpath webplugin. >>> - Preferably don't install the classpath version at all, if you're >>> worried about completely free java go for java 7 it would be more >>> reliable than classpath. >> I had this problem too. This was on x86_64 however, but I installed 32-bit >> firefox and sun java-plugin and had problems getting it to work until I >> figured out that I must manually remove classpath-webplugin. I thought >> classpath-webplugin was only installed by default on 64-bit installations, >> but apparently it's also done on 32-bit - it doesn't do much good anywhere - >> but on 32-bit it's extra problematic. >> >> I support Benji's proposed resolutions. > > IMO it is a mistake to release a 64 bit firefox without a really (!) > working java. Releasing a 32 bit firefox was much better in the older > distros. > Anyone opened a bug to let the plugins conflict? IMHO that's mandatory. It makes absolutely no sense to have more than one plugin installed for one type since at least all Mozilla stuff behaves non-deterministic in choosing one :-( And I agree that not having a working Java plugin is almost as bad as not having a working Flash player (which should basically work maybe only with manual interaction with nspluginwrapper though). So replacing Firefox with the 32bit version, removing classpath-webplugin and installing Sun's 32bit Java with plugin will be an FAQ :-( Wolfgang - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Martin Schlander wrote: > Den Saturday 15 September 2007 12:32:48 skrev Benji Weber: > > Francis pointed out to me that classpath-webplugin is installed by > > default on 10.3. This is > > > > a) rather pointless as I don't think it actually supports any applets > > ( I tried a dozen or so sites with java applets ) > > b) somewhat dangerous as I don't think I'd trust the security in the > > classpath webplugin. > > c) prevents the real sun java plugin from working when installed, > > until the user removes the classpath webplugin as this gets priority > > in both firefox and konqueror. > > > > Can I suggest > > > > - Making the sun plugin conflict with the classpath webplugin. > > - Preferably don't install the classpath version at all, if you're > > worried about completely free java go for java 7 it would be more > > reliable than classpath. > > I had this problem too. This was on x86_64 however, but I installed 32-bit > firefox and sun java-plugin and had problems getting it to work until I > figured out that I must manually remove classpath-webplugin. I thought > classpath-webplugin was only installed by default on 64-bit installations, > but apparently it's also done on 32-bit - it doesn't do much good anywhere - > but on 32-bit it's extra problematic. > > I support Benji's proposed resolutions. IMO it is a mistake to release a 64 bit firefox without a really (!) working java. Releasing a 32 bit firefox was much better in the older distros. -- Andreas Vetter Fakultaet fuer Physik und Astronomie Universitaet Wuerzburg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Den Saturday 15 September 2007 12:32:48 skrev Benji Weber: > Francis pointed out to me that classpath-webplugin is installed by > default on 10.3. This is > > a) rather pointless as I don't think it actually supports any applets > ( I tried a dozen or so sites with java applets ) > b) somewhat dangerous as I don't think I'd trust the security in the > classpath webplugin. > c) prevents the real sun java plugin from working when installed, > until the user removes the classpath webplugin as this gets priority > in both firefox and konqueror. > > Can I suggest > > - Making the sun plugin conflict with the classpath webplugin. > - Preferably don't install the classpath version at all, if you're > worried about completely free java go for java 7 it would be more > reliable than classpath. I had this problem too. This was on x86_64 however, but I installed 32-bit firefox and sun java-plugin and had problems getting it to work until I figured out that I must manually remove classpath-webplugin. I thought classpath-webplugin was only installed by default on 64-bit installations, but apparently it's also done on 32-bit - it doesn't do much good anywhere - but on 32-bit it's extra problematic. I support Benji's proposed resolutions. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] classpath-webplugin
Greetings all, Francis pointed out to me that classpath-webplugin is installed by default on 10.3. This is a) rather pointless as I don't think it actually supports any applets ( I tried a dozen or so sites with java applets ) b) somewhat dangerous as I don't think I'd trust the security in the classpath webplugin. c) prevents the real sun java plugin from working when installed, until the user removes the classpath webplugin as this gets priority in both firefox and konqueror. Can I suggest - Making the sun plugin conflict with the classpath webplugin. - Preferably don't install the classpath version at all, if you're worried about completely free java go for java 7 it would be more reliable than classpath. Also is there any reason we have java 5 default and not java 6? _ Benjamin Weber - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
