Re: [opensuse-marketing] Project-Flyer Feedback
On 04.08.2010, at 00:45, Christian Boltz wrote: > Hello, > > on Dienstag, 3. August 2010, Robert Lihm wrote: >> On 03.08.2010, at 14:29, S.Kemter wrote: >>> Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 13:18 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm: 1. The stuff will be printed and folded (!) by a print house. > > Yes, I know (and have some experience with creating folded flyers [and > unfolded flyers and posters] using scribus ;-) > 2. The flyer is targeting people who already use Linux. It should gibe a brief overview about the project, etc. > > The "Free software" page looks more like it is targeted to people not > using Linux yet ;-) (at least I assume/hope most Linux users have at > least heard about "free software) > > Don't get me wrong - this is a good thing[tm] and makes the flyer also a > good introduction for people not using Linux yet. I don't really expect > they instantly start to use the build service, but maybe they'll start > to use the distribution ;-) > >> The front page is good as it is. I would call it serious or clean >> instead of boring. > > ACK. > >>> 2. Christian said it make the headlines in 5th leg >> >> As the flyer should be timeless and serious I decided to not use the >> Cholla Font (or 5th leg) in this case. Sure, its part of our >> branding, but I want to have a clear motion in the flyer and Cholla >> does not fit. >> >> A valid point and a good suggestion! Maybe we can use it next time >> more often. > > Hmm, sounds like you can't decide yourself *g* > > I would prefer Cholla/5th leg for the headlines. IMHO the flyer would > stil look serious (hey, Cholla is not Comic Sans ;-) and would match the > openSUSE branding much better. Well, Cholla is IMHO pretty close to Comic Sans ;-) However, as it seams that you are serious about this topic, here is a Cholla-Hedlined Version. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V5-Cholla-Proof2.pdf I'm ... OK with it :-) > >>> 3. second page looks to empty >> >> You mean page 6 (flyer-back) which is green too? It's not good to >> fill every square-inch (or square-px in web design) with >> informations. Sorry, but i disagree with you in this case. > > I still suggest to add the openSUSE logo there (small, at the bottom). > Besides that: ACK > > Perhaps a minor thing: the lines should be at the same position > (measured from top) as on the "Free software" page (german: > "Registerhaltigkeit"). This basically means: > - make the headlines (including free space) exactly as high as > n "normal" text lines (n to be defined by you, n = 3 lines might be a > good value) I'm not sure if i get you right. Maybe we can talk about this in german on IRC? I went through the paragraph spacing and found some c&p mistakes. The font size is in general 10pt, the line height is 14pt. The paragraph spacing is 7pt. > - use an empty line as paragraph delimter in the "Discover it" section > >>> for distro add LXDE & XFCE snapshots that should fill the page >> >> We have a KDE and a Gnome shot. That enough. > > ACK. (Maybe less overlapping and a bit bigger?) > >BTW: "Operating _S_ystem" - should the "s" be lowercase? > As Operating System is a name like Build Service we keep it uppercase. I'mean, its OS not Os, isn't is? :-) > However, the "Operating system" page looks very empty. I'd add a second > paragraph that lists some features of openSUSE (in a timeless way - > don't list any version number there ;-) > > http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Distribution has some good points in the > "What features does openSUSE offer you?" section. > > I'm not the best in writing english marketing texts, but let me try: > (based on Portal:Distribution text) > >openSUSE has everything you need to do your work and play. Browse >the web with Firefox, send email, write documents with >OpenOffice.org, enjoy media with Banshee and Amarok, and much more. > I wrote me your suggestion down. But it's to late for text changes. We definitely need to discuss the content for the flyer much earlier next time. This time we had to hurry. Sorry. Thank you a lot for your feedback! Robert > > Regards, > > Christian Boltz > -- > Ist doch ganz einfach. Windows arbeitet nach dem WYSIAS-Prinzip: > What you see is Allgemeine Schutzverletzung! [Dieter Bruegmann in dag°] > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > --- Robert Lihm, Webdesigner - openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rl...@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) SUSE - a Novell business -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Project-Flyer Feedback
Hello Satoru! On 04.08.2010, at 08:09, Satoru Matsumoto wrote: > (2010/08/02 22:24), S.Kemter wrote: >> Am Montag, den 02.08.2010, 14:58 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm: > >>> If you find some typos or have a great idea for improvement please >>> send me feedback and explain briefly your idea so others can follow >>> up :-) >>> >>> I have to send the setting copy to the print house next Wednesday >>> (2010-08-04). After that we can only work for the future. >> >> I hope u work with scribus and share the sources, so I can help u. > > +1 > > The flyer is awesome, but as long as it is written in English, it is not > effecting for Japanese (not only for Japanese, but also for other language > speakers, I guess). > > Not only this flyer, but also all the other materials for marketing should be > editable, so that Ambassadors can translate and replace the sentences by > themselves as appropriate, and reuse them. > I agree with you in this point. But we can make only one step after an other. That we could organise the PR-Kit is IMO a great step forward. The editable version is already on the ToDo-List. If anyone have suggestions how to make this, just send them over. The easiest was would be to offer a file like SVG (or what ever) on the wiki. Any other ideas? Best, Robert > Best, > > -- > _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ > _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ > _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ > _/_/http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > --- Robert Lihm, Webdesigner - openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rl...@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) SUSE - a Novell business -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Project-Flyer Feedback
Le 04/08/2010 12:37, Robert Lihm a écrit : > If anyone have suggestions how to make this, just send them over. > The easiest was would be to offer a file like SVG (or what ever) on > the wiki. > > Any other ideas? the source file? from openoffice or scribus? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Project-Flyer Feedback
On 04.08.2010, at 12:50, jdd wrote: > Le 04/08/2010 12:37, Robert Lihm a écrit : > >> If anyone have suggestions how to make this, just send them over. >> The easiest was would be to offer a file like SVG (or what ever) on >> the wiki. >> >> Any other ideas? > > the source file? from openoffice or scribus? > No openoffece. I would prefer something more neutral like EPS or SVG. Well, we will see. Robert > jdd > > -- > http://www.dodin.net > http://pizzanetti.fr > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > --- Robert Lihm, Webdesigner - openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rl...@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) SUSE - a Novell business -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Project-Flyer Feedback
Hello all! I even send the setting copies to the print house. So, from now we can discuss the future ;-) Thank you for your time and feedback, it was very helpful! Have a nice day, Robert --- Robert Lihm, Webdesigner - openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rl...@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) SUSE - a Novell business -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Project-Flyer Feedback
Hello, on Mittwoch, 4. August 2010, Robert Lihm wrote: > On 04.08.2010, at 00:45, Christian Boltz wrote: > > on Dienstag, 3. August 2010, Robert Lihm wrote: > >> On 03.08.2010, at 14:29, S.Kemter wrote: > >>> Am Dienstag, den 03.08.2010, 13:18 +0200 schrieb Robert Lihm: > > I would prefer Cholla/5th leg for the headlines. IMHO the flyer > > would stil look serious (hey, Cholla is not Comic Sans ;-) and > > would match the openSUSE branding much better. > > Well, Cholla is IMHO pretty close to Comic Sans ;-) No, it isn't ;-) - it looks very different. Most lines in Cholla are exactly horicontal or exactly vertical, the only exceptions are the the corners where two lines connect. Basically you can re-create Cholla with a ruler. OTOH, Comic Sans has nearly no lines that have been drawn with a ruler (the "lines" are more like curves), and nearly none that are exactly horicontal or vertical. Hey, and even if Cholla doesn't look as serious as the sans-serif font (LucidaGrande?) - wasn't there somethink like "have a lot of fun"? ;-) > However, as it seams that you are serious about this topic, here is a > Cholla-Hedlined Version. > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/294274/opensuse/PR-Kit/oS-Project-Flyer-V5- Cholla-Proof2.pdf Much better :-) > I'm ... OK with it :-) :-) > > Perhaps a minor thing: the lines should be at the same position > > (measured from top) as on the "Free software" page (german: > > "Registerhaltigkeit"). This basically means: > > - make the headlines (including free space) exactly as high as > > n "normal" text lines (n to be defined by you, n = 3 lines might > > be a good value) > > I'm not sure if i get you right. Maybe we can talk about this in > german on IRC? Just ping me tonight if you want ;-) > I went through the paragraph spacing and found some c&p mistakes. The > font size is in general 10pt, the line height is 14pt. The paragraph > spacing is 7pt. The paragraph spacing is probably the problem - it should be 14pt (= line height). Since pictures say more than words, I editet the [screenshot of the] flyer a bit, see www.cboltz.de/tmp/opensuse-flyer-line-position.xcf Open it with GIMP and play a bit with the visibility of the four layers: - current flyer - screenshot of the PDF - how it should be - after I moved the text around - lines - the red line grid - headline markers - help lines to position the sub-headlines The inside of the flyer basically has the same problem, but it is less visible because of the pictures/screenshots. If it is still possible to make changes, I'd propose to change the paragraph spacing to 14pt. > > However, the "Operating system" page looks very empty. [...] > > I'm not the best in writing english marketing texts, but let me > > try: (based on Portal:Distribution text) > > > >openSUSE has everything you need to do your work and play. > > Browse the web with Firefox, send email, write documents with > >OpenOffice.org, enjoy media with Banshee and Amarok, and much > > more. > > I wrote me your suggestion down. But it's to late for text changes. Too bad :-( > We definitely need to discuss the content for the flyer much earlier > next time. This time we had to hurry. Sorry. ACK ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- > Stimmt, das wäre deutlich besser. Einziger Haken: --percent wäre > nicht mehr so genau ;-) Einwand korrekt - aber ein Systemcrash wegen mangelnder Ressourcen ist deutlich ungenauer in seinen Resultaten. :-) [> Christian Boltz und Ratti in fontlinge-devel] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] About the use of social networks
On Monday 02 August 2010 21:32:52 Alex Barrios wrote:
> Hi people.
>
> Welly, happily I'm gaining more power and voice here in my country,
> small but at least the openSUSE word its now in the mouths of a lot of
> LUG's here, so because that I'm trying to get more in touch with the
> users and newbies around using the IRC, my blog and Twitter.
>
> Besides the encounter feelings about Facebook, I create a group [1]
> for all the people come together and take advantage of the platform
> options like forums and that.
We need something like the following in the new wiki:
http://old-en.opensuse.org/Marketing/SocNet
> My question is, its ok to use FB?, or there is another way to accomplish
> this?
>
> The idea:
> - Put events
> - Send messages to members from while to while
> - A forum
> - Pictures and stuff
Yes, this is ok - and what needs to be done is to create some documentation
pages on all of this. That might include great links to what others have
written...
> If there is another option (more open, i think), or best way to get
> this please let me know.
>
> [1] http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=114845975234320
Btw. I just created http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Social_media_contacts and
ask everybody to list similar accounts. Alex, could you add the Facebook
Page, please?
Andreas
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[opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-ambassadors] Our Ambassador Meeting today! Reports, logs and next steps
On 3 August 2010 20:48, Carlos Ribeiro wrote: > Some fellows said that we have no votes up there, then... > I would like to invite everyone on this list to vote some topics to help with > directions for the next meeting, please we only need "Yes" or "No" as > answers, letting more details about topics that WE pickup as valid for the > next meeting, because next meeting will not be if "does we need or not" will > be "how to be do it" > > * Does we need to create templates for productive and collaborative reports? Yes > * Does we need to develop Ambassadors welcome and first steps landing page? Yes > * Does we need to take a look any free and available collaboration tool for > Ambassadors program? Yes > * Does we like to have Ambassadors Uniform? Yes > * Does we believe is necessary to look around and have a brief idea of how > other distros are working with similar Ambassadors program? Yes > * Does we need to know who is using openSUSE (corporations). Is this kind of > information important for us? Yes > Last but not least, I would like to invite all Ambassadors to update their > respective Users page, with a little introduction about them selfs to help us > to know a little bit more about each other ;-) and be more productive next > meeting. By all means, yes. > Cheers, Jimmy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
Re: [opensuse-marketing] Project-Flyer Feedback
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Robert Lihm wrote: > Hello all! > > I even send the setting copies to the print house. So, from now we can > discuss the future ;-) Good. Because I'd like to open an etherpad page to write the texts anew, starting with a focus on who our target users are etcetera. I think the easiest thing would actually be to kind'a copy the ideas we did in the KDE team, as that has been thought out fairly well. IOW make a leaflet for complete newcomers and one for potential contributors/developers/etc I don't want to hurt any feelings, but the one we made now is bad. Not the design, that's great, but the text is unfocused and bad. This folder contains a weird mix of focusing on developers/contributors (Build Service), completely-new-to-linux-users (the Free Software part) and something which doesn't make sense at all (operating system). Moreover, the form (leaflet) doesn't fit with the amount of text at all. So that doesn't work. First of all, if you're targeting completely-new-to-linux users don't waste time on talking about Free Software, they don't care. It sucks but that's the truth. Focus on what is cool and good about openSUSE, what we have. Again, see the KDE poster (the users focussed one) as a good example. For contributors you can and should go a bit deeper, again focus on what's cool and try to take away what makes them NOT contribute: the perceived high barrier to entry. So if we can decide who this is target and then write the texts, this could be great. Doing something like this in 3 days is just plain impossible, sorry - it needs a bit more thought. You don't need a million IRC meetings or anything, a few ppl CAN do it in a few days as soon as the goals are clear, but those must be discussed first. Sorry to be so negative. I'm more than willing to help (as I said before) and I hope my feedback doesn't give ppl the feeling this was a waste of time - again, I like the design, and openSUSE needs folders and stuff like this a lot! Cheers, Jos > Thank you for your time and feedback, it was very helpful! > > Have a nice day, > > Robert > > --- > > Robert Lihm, Webdesigner - openSUSE Boosters Team > SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg > Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rl...@suse.de > > SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) > > SUSE - a Novell business > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
