I'll bite. Just this once.
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Absolutely, go read it.
I think you should go read it too, Rickard. Your comments here do not
seem to be based on any grasp of what really happened.
Just re-read it, and it re-confirmed my assesment of what happened, and
my comments still stand.
Anybody who reads the thread and was not born yesterday will see that
the Velocity people started all the personal attacks, all the ad hominem
and character assastination stuff against me specifically because they
could not deal with me in legitimate debate. That you, Rickard, cannnot
see through this, does not speak terribly well for you.
Okidoki.
I am specifically saying that this is where the thread starts. Somebody
starts talking about comparing monetary value and I take the opportunity
to point out that FreeMarker has the features they want. The discussion
continues where a bunch of the Velocity people decide to debate
philosophically the desirability of decimal numbers and such.
What I meant was that it was a pretty good start of the rant, that went
on and on and on and on.
I really think you ought to read the thread as well. I think that if you
do, you will discover, to your chagrin, that my characterization of it
is correct, and that, in fact, you owe me an apology.
I owe you zilch.
What an eloquant way to say I have the right to say whatever I want,
wherever I want, whenever I want, no matter what anyone else thinks.
It's really fine up until the very last point. Your above reasoning
would allow us to go to the Struts list to explain to them what a
monumentally mediocre piece of work they have,
Hold on a second. I *never* stated on the Velocity list that Velocity
was a monumentally mediocre piece of work. I just stated it here. On
the Velocity list, I restricted myself to pointing out that features
(such as decimal support among other things) that Velocity users were
lobbying for, were already present in FreeMarker. That has its obnoxious
side, but it is completely fair comment and I do not believe that you
can really maintain otherwise.
You went in there with a specific agenda (which you stated yourself
after a while), and from that point of view you thought that I have the
right to say whatever I want, wherever I want, whenever I want, no
matter what anyone else thinks, which is a point where we disagree and
is the attitude that I objected to. I wouldn't want Struts people
strutting around here like you did, and neither would I want WW folks
ranting on the Struts lists. It's just bad taste.
In any case, your basic stance is fundamentally nonsensical. If you
wanted to know what my behavior would be like on this list if FreeMarker
became an OS project, the thing to look at would be my behavior on the
FreeMarker list, *not* on the Velocity list. Furthermore, your
characterization of my behavior on the Velocity list (though utterly
irrelevant anyway) is also inaccurate. The other people invariably
commenced the ad hominem attacks on me because they could not deal with
me in legitimate technical debate. This is not a matter of legitimate
controversy. It is what a reading of the electronic record will show.
And again, those who are interested in understanding this story should
go read it. It's quite illuminating, especially since we seem to see
completely different things.
BTW, in terms of my assessment of Velocity's quality as a piece of work,
I pretty much completely pulled my punches there. I mean, just as one
example, look at the way Velocity handles macro parameters. It passes
them in as strings, that are reparsed and evaluated every time the
parameter is referenced in the macro. I simply pointed out that
features that people had been lobbying unsuccessfully for in Velocity
for god-knows-how-long were available in FreeMarker.
That's probably an interesting point, but this is the WW list. We don't
really care.
which get the level of usage and attention that it does because it is
a part of apache.org. Factually correct (one could argue), but oh so
irrelevant.
I guess we will just have to agree on disagreeing on this point.
Well, as for agreeing to disagree, with the overtones of political
correctness and relativism, well... sorry... I don't just agree to
disagree with you on this matter. I am stating that your
characterization of what happened is FALSE. And I have backed up the
assertion by pointing to the exchange in question that anybody can read.
Or so you think. Most amusing.
Note that the reading of it is not particularly flattering to me. It
shows my ability to push people's buttons for fun somewhat. BUT the
behavior of the other people in the thread was typically far worse than
mine. That much is pretty clear.
To you.
In other words, if someone else is a prick you have the right to be a
prick too. Interesting logic, and again I guess we will just have to
agree on disagreeing on this point.
I was simply stating
