Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Etienne Champetier]

My first email was wrong, and i don't want to criticize anybody work, don't
want to insult anybody,
and really don't want to start a war.

Apologies again

2014-10-02 13:55 GMT+02:00 Imre Kaloz :

> John,
>
> Please mind your manners and keep the discussion at a professional level.
> I doubt Etienne wanted to insult you or criticize your work, and it's true
> that we did not announce of the availability of final binaries yet.
>
>
> Imre
>
>
> On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 07:30:41 +0200, John Crispin 
> wrote:
>
>
>> no its certainly farting. i have you 2 and about 1 other person
>> complain. the other 95% sent me mails with nice and simple questions and
>> input and so forth.
>>
>> i just had a look, yesterday i got related to BB
>>
>> * 8 "thank you" mails
>> * 6 mails asking for various support things
>> * 4 pkg maintainers ask for help/logs
>> * 2 devs asking for root on the build server
>> * 2 people reminded me that now BB is out of the way that i promised to
>> fix NCM, hwdetect, ...
>> * 2 mails of people voicing wishes for CC
>> * 2 driver fixes for i2c on mediatek  .
>> * and etiennes mails and your reply
>>
>> sorry but looking at those numbers it is farting that you are doing.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/10/2014 07:01, Hanno Schupp wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but
>>> don't communicate.
>>> If you want to avoid emails that smell like farts to you, why not tell
>>> people what's going on?
>>>
>>> On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
>>> feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
>>>
>>> i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
>>> for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
>>> with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
>>> opkg.conf holds all feeds.
>>>
>>> while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
>>> nice mail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
>>> > really great if the project management could be as open as the
>>> > code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
>>> > it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
>>> > some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
>>> > are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
>>> > etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
>>> > people can help.
>>> >
>>> > When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
>>> > feed).
>>> >
>>> > Please communicate!!!
>>> >
>>> > Thanks Etienne
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ___ openwrt-devel
>>> > mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org
>>> 
>>> > https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
>>> >
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>>> 
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Adam Kuklycz]

One thing I have observed is that some developers are on the TRAC system and
actively looking at tickets, while others are purely on the mailing list and
do not regularly (or at all) look at the TRAC system.

This can cause confusion and frustration for some who are wanting to report
a bug, and report it via the TRAC system only to find out a couple of weeks
later that the developer responsible for a certain bug/package only looks at
the mailing list.

-Original Message-
From: openwrt-devel [mailto:openwrt-devel-boun...@lists.openwrt.org] On
Behalf Of John Crispin
Sent: Thursday, 2 October 2014 3:31 PM
To: Hanno Schupp
Cc: OpenWrt Development List
Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process


no its certainly farting. i have you 2 and about 1 other person
complain. the other 95% sent me mails with nice and simple questions and
input and so forth.

i just had a look, yesterday i got related to BB

* 8 "thank you" mails
* 6 mails asking for various support things
* 4 pkg maintainers ask for help/logs
* 2 devs asking for root on the build server
* 2 people reminded me that now BB is out of the way that i promised to
fix NCM, hwdetect, ...
* 2 mails of people voicing wishes for CC
* 2 driver fixes for i2c on mediatek  .
* and etiennes mails and your reply

sorry but looking at those numbers it is farting that you are doing.

John








On 02/10/2014 07:01, Hanno Schupp wrote:
> I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but
> don't communicate.
> If you want to avoid emails that smell like farts to you, why not tell
> people what's going on?
>
> On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin  <mailto:blo...@openwrt.org>> wrote:
>
> nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
> feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
>
> i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
> for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
> with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
> opkg.conf holds all feeds.
>
> while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
> nice mail.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
> > really great if the project management could be as open as the
> > code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
> > it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
> > some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
> > are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
> > etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
> > people can help.
> >
> > When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
> > feed).
> >
> > Please communicate!!!
> >
> > Thanks Etienne
> >
> >
> > ___ openwrt-devel
> > mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org
> <mailto:openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org>
> > https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
> >
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Imre Kaloz]

John,

Please mind your manners and keep the discussion at a professional level. I 
doubt Etienne wanted to insult you or criticize your work, and it's true that 
we did not announce of the availability of final binaries yet.


Imre

On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 07:30:41 +0200, John Crispin  wrote:



no its certainly farting. i have you 2 and about 1 other person
complain. the other 95% sent me mails with nice and simple questions and
input and so forth.

i just had a look, yesterday i got related to BB

* 8 "thank you" mails
* 6 mails asking for various support things
* 4 pkg maintainers ask for help/logs
* 2 devs asking for root on the build server
* 2 people reminded me that now BB is out of the way that i promised to
fix NCM, hwdetect, ...
* 2 mails of people voicing wishes for CC
* 2 driver fixes for i2c on mediatek  .
* and etiennes mails and your reply

sorry but looking at those numbers it is farting that you are doing.

John








On 02/10/2014 07:01, Hanno Schupp wrote:

I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but
don't communicate.
If you want to avoid emails that smell like farts to you, why not tell
people what's going on?

On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin mailto:blo...@openwrt.org>> wrote:

nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
feel you needed to vent it out on us ?

i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
opkg.conf holds all feeds.

while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
nice mail.





On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
> Hi,
>
> OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
> really great if the project management could be as open as the
> code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
> it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
> some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
> are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
> etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
> people can help.
>
> When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
> feed).
>
> Please communicate!!!
>
> Thanks Etienne
>
>
> ___ openwrt-devel
> mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org

> https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Felix Fietkau]

On 2014-10-02 11:06, Bruno Randolf wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> While we all agree that the OpenWRT core developers are doing great
> work, are really busy, and sometimes it's more important to fix a bug
> that to send an email, I think Etienne raises a valid point here:
> communication could be better and the project management could be more
> open...
> 
> For example, I did not know that "BB-final binaries have been online for
> over a day"... is it really too much to ask to send a short note about a
> major release to the mailing list?
FWIW, I also think think that the point is valid. This is something that
we need to work on.

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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[buddhay]

On 02.10.2014 12:21, Hanno Schupp wrote:
> For example, I did not know that "BB-final binaries have been online for
> over a day"... is it really too much to ask to send a short note about a
> major release to the mailing list?

exactly Etiennes point, correct and valid as opposed to uncivilized comments 
comparing it to farting ..bud
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Hanno Schupp]

Really, John?
Personal insults through direct emails?

On 2 October 2014 18:14, John Crispin  wrote:

> until now i considered you "one of the reliable crowd" and just
> reasserted to "yet another troll"
>
>
> On 02/10/2014 07:01, Hanno Schupp wrote:
> > I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but
> > don't communicate. If you want to avoid emails that smell like
> > farts to you, why not tell people what's going on?
> >
> > On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin  > > wrote:
> >
> > nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that
> > you feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
> >
> > i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been
> > online for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a
> > opkg.conf with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files
> > so that the opkg.conf holds all feeds.
> >
> > while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for
> > the nice mail.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would
> >> be really great if the project management could be as open as
> >> the code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's
> >> not, and it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people
> >> know. If some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If
> >> buildbots are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO
> >> list on an etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are,
> >> i'm sure some people can help.
> >>
> >> When you open the process, you get more work done (see new
> >> packages feed).
> >>
> >> Please communicate!!!
> >>
> >> Thanks Etienne
> >>
> >>
> >> ___ openwrt-devel
> >> mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org
> > 
> >> https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
> >>
> > ___ openwrt-devel
> > mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org
> > 
> > https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Hanno Schupp]

Apparently yes, Bruno. Just asking for more communication while at the same
time even commending the devs for their hard work, as Etienne did, seems to
justify being insulted.

Personal sensibilities aside this has been a bone of contention for a long
time. Here just a couple of examples:
https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2012-August/016427.html
https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=27466

Sadly, immature responses like the one to Etienne's simple request puts a
sour note on this otherwise great project.



On 2 October 2014 22:06, Bruno Randolf  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> While we all agree that the OpenWRT core developers are doing great
> work, are really busy, and sometimes it's more important to fix a bug
> that to send an email, I think Etienne raises a valid point here:
> communication could be better and the project management could be more
> open...
>
> For example, I did not know that "BB-final binaries have been online for
> over a day"... is it really too much to ask to send a short note about a
> major release to the mailing list?
>
> bruno
>
> On 10/02/2014 05:51 AM, John Crispin wrote:
> > nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
> > feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
> >
> > i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
> > for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
> > with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
> > opkg.conf holds all feeds.
> >
> > while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
> > nice mail.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
> >> really great if the project management could be as open as the
> >> code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
> >> it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
> >> some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
> >> are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
> >> etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
> >> people can help.
> >>
> >> When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
> >> feed).
> >>
> >> Please communicate!!!
> >>
> >> Thanks Etienne
> >>
> >>
> >> ___ openwrt-devel
> >> mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org
> >> https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
> >>
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Bruno Randolf]

Hi all,

While we all agree that the OpenWRT core developers are doing great
work, are really busy, and sometimes it's more important to fix a bug
that to send an email, I think Etienne raises a valid point here:
communication could be better and the project management could be more
open...

For example, I did not know that "BB-final binaries have been online for
over a day"... is it really too much to ask to send a short note about a
major release to the mailing list?

bruno

On 10/02/2014 05:51 AM, John Crispin wrote:
> nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
> feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
> 
> i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
> for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
> with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
> opkg.conf holds all feeds.
> 
> while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
> nice mail.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be 
>> really great if the project management could be as open as the
>> code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
>> it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
>> some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
>> are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
>> etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
>> people can help.
>>
>> When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
>> feed).
>>
>> Please communicate!!!
>>
>> Thanks Etienne
>>
>>
>> ___ openwrt-devel
>> mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org 
>> https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Saverio Proto]

Hello everyone !

Relax :) If we are reading this list it is because we all want a
better OpenWrt, and we all do the best we can for it.

Etienne in my experience the OpenWrt group is really open. The problem
is the that core people have to face thousands of contacts over the
Internet from unknown people. It is really hard to manage all this
incoming requests.

If you work on OpenWrt over the years, it is a good idea to come once
a while to some developer meeting. We have so many. Battlemesh.org,
FOSDEM, Freifunk WCW, CCC Camping 

Meet the people face to face it always helps to decode better the
emails at a later time. It is not just emails and forums, dont lose
the contact with the real life :)

Cheers !!!

Saverio




2014-10-02 9:20 GMT+02:00 Etienne Champetier :
> Hi and sorry John and all other that i could have offended.
> That was really not the goal of my mail, and me being a bit tired and not so
> good in english,
> i wrote an awful rant without noticing.
>
> Thanks for all the work that you are doing. I know that you and other are
> working hard
> to provide us the best router distribution out there
> (i really mean it: infinite uptime (between power surge :) ), endless
> customisation, great hardware support).
>
> I originaly wrote this mail because i read a ticket on github asking to
> backport some stuff to for-14.07,
> but maybe it's too late for BB ... and was thinking why isn't BB out?
> RC1 RC2 RC3 were quick but after that very few news
> 31 Jul - RC3, RC4 or final in 2 weeks
> 8 Sep - tests builds done, some more bugs fixed
> 18Sep - BB 14.07 is using 533282da863c27be4805fc1655f82f
> 5d9550194b
> 1Oct ...
>
> Thanks for everything and sorry again for this useless rant
> Etienne
>
> 2014-10-02 7:30 GMT+02:00 John Crispin :
>>
>>
>> no its certainly farting. i have you 2 and about 1 other person
>> complain. the other 95% sent me mails with nice and simple questions and
>> input and so forth.
>>
>> i just had a look, yesterday i got related to BB
>>
>> * 8 "thank you" mails
>> * 6 mails asking for various support things
>> * 4 pkg maintainers ask for help/logs
>> * 2 devs asking for root on the build server
>> * 2 people reminded me that now BB is out of the way that i promised to
>> fix NCM, hwdetect, ...
>> * 2 mails of people voicing wishes for CC
>> * 2 driver fixes for i2c on mediatek  .
>> * and etiennes mails and your reply
>>
>> sorry but looking at those numbers it is farting that you are doing.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On 02/10/2014 07:01, Hanno Schupp wrote:
>> > I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but
>> > don't communicate.
>> > If you want to avoid emails that smell like farts to you, why not tell
>> > people what's going on?
>> >
>> > On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
>> > feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
>> >
>> > i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been
>> > online
>> > for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
>> > with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
>> > opkg.conf holds all feeds.
>> >
>> > while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
>> > nice mail.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
>> > > really great if the project management could be as open as the
>> > > code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
>> > > it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
>> > > some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
>> > > are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
>> > > etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
>> > > people can help.
>> > >
>> > > When you open the process, you get more work done (see new
>> > packages
>> > > feed).
>> > >
>> > > Please communicate!!!
>> > >
>> > > Thanks Etienne
>> > >
>> > >
>
>
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Etienne Champetier]

Hi and sorry John and all other that i could have offended.
That was really not the goal of my mail, and me being a bit tired and not
so good in english,
i wrote an awful rant without noticing.

Thanks for all the work that you are doing. I know that you and other are
working hard
to provide us the best router distribution out there
(i really mean it: infinite uptime (between power surge :) ), endless
customisation, great hardware support).

I originaly wrote this mail because i read a ticket on github asking to
backport some stuff to for-14.07,
but maybe it's too late for BB ... and was thinking why isn't BB out?
RC1 RC2 RC3 were quick but after that very few news
31 Jul - RC3, RC4 or final in 2 weeks
8 Sep - tests builds done, some more bugs fixed
18Sep - BB 14.07 is using 533282da863c27be4805fc1655f82f
5d9550194b
1Oct ...

Thanks for everything and sorry again for this useless rant
Etienne

2014-10-02 7:30 GMT+02:00 John Crispin :

>
> no its certainly farting. i have you 2 and about 1 other person
> complain. the other 95% sent me mails with nice and simple questions and
> input and so forth.
>
> i just had a look, yesterday i got related to BB
>
> * 8 "thank you" mails
> * 6 mails asking for various support things
> * 4 pkg maintainers ask for help/logs
> * 2 devs asking for root on the build server
> * 2 people reminded me that now BB is out of the way that i promised to
> fix NCM, hwdetect, ...
> * 2 mails of people voicing wishes for CC
> * 2 driver fixes for i2c on mediatek  .
> * and etiennes mails and your reply
>
> sorry but looking at those numbers it is farting that you are doing.
>
> John
>
>
> On 02/10/2014 07:01, Hanno Schupp wrote:
> > I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but
> > don't communicate.
> > If you want to avoid emails that smell like farts to you, why not tell
> > people what's going on?
> >
> > On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin  > > wrote:
> >
> > nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
> > feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
> >
> > i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
> > for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
> > with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
> > opkg.conf holds all feeds.
> >
> > while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
> > nice mail.
> >
> >
> > On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
> > > really great if the project management could be as open as the
> > > code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
> > > it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
> > > some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
> > > are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
> > > etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
> > > people can help.
> > >
> > > When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
> > > feed).
> > >
> > > Please communicate!!!
> > >
> > > Thanks Etienne
> > >
> > >
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[John Crispin]

no its certainly farting. i have you 2 and about 1 other person
complain. the other 95% sent me mails with nice and simple questions and
input and so forth.

i just had a look, yesterday i got related to BB

* 8 "thank you" mails
* 6 mails asking for various support things
* 4 pkg maintainers ask for help/logs
* 2 devs asking for root on the build server
* 2 people reminded me that now BB is out of the way that i promised to
fix NCM, hwdetect, ...
* 2 mails of people voicing wishes for CC
* 2 driver fixes for i2c on mediatek  .
* and etiennes mails and your reply

sorry but looking at those numbers it is farting that you are doing.

John








On 02/10/2014 07:01, Hanno Schupp wrote:
> I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but
> don't communicate.
> If you want to avoid emails that smell like farts to you, why not tell
> people what's going on?
>
> On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin  > wrote:
>
> nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
> feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
>
> i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
> for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
> with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
> opkg.conf holds all feeds.
>
> while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
> nice mail.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
> > really great if the project management could be as open as the
> > code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
> > it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
> > some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
> > are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
> > etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
> > people can help.
> >
> > When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
> > feed).
> >
> > Please communicate!!!
> >
> > Thanks Etienne
> >
> >
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Hanno Schupp]

I think this is his point, mate: You work hard (in isolation), but don't
communicate.
If you want to avoid emails that smell like farts to you, why not tell
people what's going on?

On 2 October 2014 17:51, John Crispin  wrote:

> nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
> feel you needed to vent it out on us ?
>
> i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
> for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
> with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
> opkg.conf holds all feeds.
>
> while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
> nice mail.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be
> > really great if the project management could be as open as the
> > code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
> > it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
> > some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
> > are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
> > etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
> > people can help.
> >
> > When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
> > feed).
> >
> > Please communicate!!!
> >
> > Thanks Etienne
> >
> >
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Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[John Crispin]

nice rant, what happened at mignight that you got so angry that you
feel you needed to vent it out on us ?

i would like to point out that the BB-final binaries have been online
for over a day. currently the root filesystems only hold a opkg.conf
with base and luci. last night we regenerated the files so that the
opkg.conf holds all feeds.

while you were busy farting we were busy working. but thanks for the
nice mail.





On 01/10/2014 23:59, Etienne Champetier wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be 
> really great if the project management could be as open as the
> code. BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and
> it's frustating. If some feature are missing, let people know. If
> some bugs need to be killed, let the community help. If buildbots
> are broken, let someone provide new ones. Open a TODO list on an
> etherpad, involve people. Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some
> people can help.
> 
> When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages
> feed).
> 
> Please communicate!!!
> 
> Thanks Etienne
> 
> 
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[OpenWrt-Devel] Open source & open process

[Etienne Champetier]

Hi,

OpenWRT is a wonderfull piece of open source code, and it would be really
great if the project management could be as open as the code.
BB should be out now but for an unknow reason, it's not, and it's
frustating.
If some feature are missing, let people know.
If some bugs need to be killed, let the community help.
If buildbots are broken, let someone provide new ones.
Open a TODO list on an etherpad, involve people.
Whatever the reasons are, i'm sure some people can help.

When you open the process, you get more work done (see new packages feed).

Please communicate!!!

Thanks
Etienne
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