Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Olga Havel]

Hi,

My preference is to go with Option 3 and create a core inventory model that 
could going forward be used for physical, virtual and resource logical 
inventory. I know the initial scope is to look at hardware and software 
components, but as it is a new effort we could provide the core that could be 
extended in the future.

One of the approaches from TMF that we can consider is to use the core 
inventory model that can be extended for all resources (TMF639), where resource 
inventory is split into physical and logical inventory. This is also aligned 
with ITU-T, MEF, ONAP, ...

The new draft should also not replicate the same info that is in other drafts, 
like geo-location, L2 and L3 topology properties, proposed extension to IETF 
topology for digital map etc.

Some comments about the individual drafts:
[1] draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02
The draft uses the TMF MTOSI Physical Inventory Model approach, and focuses on 
modelling of physical components of the network element, like rack, chassis, 
slot, board and port. The draft is also based on RFC8348 (which defines the 
YANG for single device physical inventory model) and plans to look at how to 
reuse this single device model at controller API by either reusing definitions 
or using schema-mount. I believe these are the correct approaches when the 
scope is physical inventory only, but my understanding is that the goal is to 
have the model for both physical, virtual and software inventory.

[2] draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03
The draft is focusing on network inventory, and defines it as a list of 
equipment, where equipment can be either physical or virtual. It has other 
properties that do not belong to the physical layer, like licenses, location, 
has links to asset ids. It has some duplications with IETF topology models for 
L2 and L3, geo-location RFC and some properties that may not belong to core 
inventory.

Best Regards,
Olga



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Subject: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

Hi Working Group,

It's now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is "good 
enough", we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we'd like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:


  1.  Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it to 
become the network inventory base model
  2.  Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and evolve 
it to become the network inventory base model
  3.  Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).

Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele

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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Italo Busi]

My preference is option 1 to adopt draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 
in IVY and evolve it to become the network inventory base model

I understand this draft does not cover all the items in the WG charter but IMHO 
there is no need  to  cover  all  the  IVY WG charter  items  into  a  single  
draft  nor  into  a  single  YANG model. Experience usually shows that modular 
and incremental (step-by-step) approaches work better with complex scenarios as 
those we are trying to address in the IVY WG

In this case, considering only HW and SW inventory requirements, I have noted 
that two different set of UCs have been discussed:

  *   UCs  where  only  HW  inventory  is  required;
  *   UCs where both  HW  and  SW  inventory  is  required

A modular approach defining a  base  model  that  covers  the  common  
requirements  (i.e.,  HW inventory)  and  one  or more  augmentation  models  
that  covers  optional  additional  requirements  (e.g.,  SW inventory)  would 
better address these different set of UCs

Moreover, requirements  and  solutions  for  HW inventory  are  more  mature  
(based  on existing standards, like RFC8348  and  TMF, and proven by many years 
of real network deployments)  than  emerging  requirements  and  solutions  for 
 virtualization,  SW and  licenses  inventory

The proposed model split would allow both HW and SW inventory to progress in 
parallel and to reach RFC publication as quickly as possible

IMHO, evolving draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 to become the network 
inventory base model would imply also providing the required technical changes 
to support other model augmentations that cover additional requirements (e.g., 
SW inventory). The technical details for these changes can be discussed in the 
interim WG meeting or even offline before/after the interim meeting

Italo

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Subject: [Inventory-yang] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

Hi Working Group,

It's now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is "good 
enough", we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we'd like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:


  1.  Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it to 
become the network inventory base model
  2.  Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and evolve 
it to become the network inventory base model
  3.  Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).

Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele

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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Alexander L Clemm]

I think that options 1 and 2 are closer than we think and can be aligned 
if we can agree on getting rid of the network-hardware-inventory 
container object that is defined in draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory.  
This will allow us to move forward quickly with a model for network 
hardware inventory, as required by ccamp, while preserving the option 
for a model that can be generalized and extended to incorporate other 
types of inventory, as desired by ivy.  I'll describe a bit more details 
in a separate email in order to not distract from the poll.


I guess this makes me a proponent of option 3, but with the caveat that 
this would not need to restart from scratch.  Instead it can be derived 
in very straighforward manner from the existing models with these slight 
alignments as described.  I am also sure that a lot of the existing text 
can be salvaged.


--- Alex

On 8/27/2023 11:21 PM, maqiufang (A) wrote:


Hi Working Group,

It’s now time to start considering how to move forward with the 
inventory base model. We have two different documents that could be 
used as a starting point for our work or, in case the working group 
believes none of them is “good enough”, we can start a brand new ID.


In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 
version including just the table of content and what we’d like to be 
covered in each section. The document will then be handed over to a 
pool of authors which will bring it till the WG adoption.


Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to 
make it a bit longer than usual because this time the working group is 
requested to review two drafts instead of one.


This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15^th , 
 where we would like the working group to express your preference among:


 1. Adopt draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve
it to become the network inventory base model
 2. Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and
evolve it to become the network inventory base model
 3. Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 
25) we will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns 
raised during the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).


Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele


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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Wubo (lana)]

Hi Qiufang, Daniele, all,

I voted for option 3. As I read the whole draft of option 1, the content is 
very hardware-centric. I think the attributes of physical and virtual devices, 
or the attributes of software and hardware components, are quite common and can 
be shared rather than augmentation.

I believe the inventory base model is a generic model, not limited to hardware 
inventory.

Thanks,
Bo Wu

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To: inventory-y...@ietf.org
Cc: ivy-cha...@ietf.org; opsawg ; cc...@ietf.org
Subject: [Inventory-yang] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

Hi Working Group,

It's now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is "good 
enough", we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we'd like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:

1.   Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it 
to become the network inventory base model
2.   Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and 
evolve it to become the network inventory base model
3.   Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).

Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele

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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Wei Wang]

Hi Chairs and all,


  I haven??t closely followed up these two drafts in the poll, but 
after reading the charter scope, I think draft-wzwb seems a solid basis. And if 
all proponents want to be part of this work, option 3 is the way forward.



Best Regards
Wei
China Telecom


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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Qin Wu]

+1,
draft-ietf-Ccamp only focuses on hardware inventory while draft-wzwb is more 
aligned with IVY charter goal and scope and show its completeness.
Maybe from each of two drafts, we can pick one leading operator and one leading 
vendor to work together and document the merged version.
Hope this can be seen another option for the way forward.

-Qin
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Hi all,

I do think that both documents include parts that are very relevant to the IVY 
work.

I’m in favor of (3) with the chairs holding the pen at least for -00. It is 
unlikely that parts of (1) and (2) will be injected into (3).

Cheers,
Med

De : Inventory-yang 
mailto:inventory-yang-boun...@ietf.org>> De la 
part de maqiufang (A)
Envoyé : lundi 28 août 2023 08:22
À : inventory-y...@ietf.org
Cc : ivy-cha...@ietf.org; opsawg 
mailto:opsawg@ietf.org>>; cc...@ietf.org
Objet : [Inventory-yang] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

Hi Working Group,

It’s now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is “good 
enough”, we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we’d like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:


  1.  Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it to 
become the network inventory base model
  2.  Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and evolve 
it to become the network inventory base model
  3.  Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).

Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele




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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Aihua Guo]

I agree with Jeff and would vote for option 1 to make
draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 as the base model for network
inventory and capture the common requirements (hardware inventory) for all
network technologies. Other requirements such as software can be optional
and can always be developed with augments.

Thanks,
Aihua

On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 10:14 AM JEAN-FRANCOIS BOUQUIER, Vodafone
 wrote:

> Hi Qiufang, Daniele and all,
>
>
>
> My preference goes to option 1 to adopt 
> draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02
> in IVY and evolve it to become the network inventory base model.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> C2 General
>
> *De:* Inventory-yang  *En nombre de 
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> It’s now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory
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> starting point for our work or, in case the working group believes none of
> them is “good enough”, we can start a brand new ID.
>
> In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00
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> covered in each section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of
> authors which will bring it till the WG adoption.
>
>
>
> Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make
> it a bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested
> to review two drafts instead of one.
>
>
>
> This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where
> we would like the working group to express your preference among:
>
>
>
>1. Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve
>it to become the network inventory base model
>2. Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and
>evolve it to become the network inventory base model
>3. Start a brand new document from scratch as described above
>
>
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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[mohamed . boucadair]

Hi all,

I do think that both documents include parts that are very relevant to the IVY 
work.

I'm in favor of (3) with the chairs holding the pen at least for -00. It is 
unlikely that parts of (1) and (2) will be injected into (3).

Cheers,
Med

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À : inventory-y...@ietf.org
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Objet : [Inventory-yang] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

Hi Working Group,

It's now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is "good 
enough", we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we'd like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:


  1.  Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it to 
become the network inventory base model
  2.  Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and evolve 
it to become the network inventory base model
  3.  Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).

Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele


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[JEAN-FRANCOIS BOUQUIER, Vodafone]

Hi Qiufang, Daniele and all,

My preference goes to option 1 to adopt 
draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it to become the 
network inventory base model.

Kind regards,

Jeff



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Hi Working Group,

It's now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is "good 
enough", we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we'd like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:


  1.  Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it to 
become the network inventory base model
  2.  Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and evolve 
it to become the network inventory base model
  3.  Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Oscar González de Dios]

Hi Qiufang, Daniele, all,

  My preference is to go for option 1, that is start from 
draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 and later evolve it to match IVY 
requirements. In my view the yang model in that draft has a structure that is a 
good starting point for building the base model and already provides ways to 
link the inventory with topology modules, which is a big bonus.

  I assume that, independent of the chosen option, the document 
with the base inventory model will include also the requirements and there will 
not be a separated requirements documents. Am I correct?

  Best Regards,

Oscar



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Para: inventory-y...@ietf.org
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Asunto: [CCAMP] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

Hi Working Group,

It's now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is "good 
enough", we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we'd like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:


  1.  Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it to 
become the network inventory base model
  2.  Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and evolve 
it to become the network inventory base model
  3.  Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).

Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele




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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Diego R. Lopez]

Hi,

I was about to send a reply in the same sense as Joe’s. I’d support a solution 
based on draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 draft, incorporating some 
(many) valid aspects in draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03.

I guess this could be considered as a (3), with stronger (1) flavor…

Be goode,

--
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Dr Diego R. Lopez
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On 29/8/23, 11:58,  wrote:

Hi, Joe, WG,

As a clarification:

For this polling, we’re trying to figure out if there is a consensus to use one 
of the existing documents as a starting point.

If there is, the chairs’ assumption is to ask the authors to move the work to 
IVY, instead of just referencing it progressed in other places. It may still 
take some time for the WG (e.g., via design team discussion, interim 
meeting(s)) to tailor the work to fully fit the IVY charter, that’s why we say 
“evolve it to become the network inventory base model”.

Best Regards,
Qiufang
From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) [mailto:jcla...@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 10:26 PM
To: maqiufang (A) ; 
inventory-y...@ietf.org
Cc: ivy-cha...@ietf.org; opsawg ; cc...@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

Since you copied opsawg, I’ll make it clear my reply is as a contributor.  As I 
said at the first IVY meeting, I like the CCAMP work a bit more as a base 
inventory draft.  It feels more data-centric and less use-case centric if that 
makes sense.

That said, it’s adopted work in CCAMP.  What would happen to it?  Would it move 
to IVY?  Would IVY work just reference it as it progresses through CCAMP?

While I like option 1, I think perhaps option 3 might be more viable, but using 
the model of the CCAMP work where it leverages previous ENTITY-MIB concepts 
while staying true to common inventory.

Joe

From: Inventory-yang 
mailto:inventory-yang-boun...@ietf.org>> on 
behalf of maqiufang (A) 
mailto:maqiufang1=40huawei@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Date: Monday, August 28, 2023 at 02:22
To: inventory-y...@ietf.org 
mailto:inventory-y...@ietf.org>>
Cc: ivy-cha...@ietf.org 
mailto:ivy-cha...@ietf.org>>, opsawg 
mailto:opsawg@ietf.org>>, 
cc...@ietf.org mailto:cc...@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Inventory-yang] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model
Hi Working Group,

It’s now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is “good 
enough”, we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we’d like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:

1.   Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it 
to become the network inventory base model
2.   Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and 
evolve it to become the network inventory base model
3.   Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).

Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele




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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[maqiufang (A)]

Hi, Joe, WG,

As a clarification:

For this polling, we're trying to figure out if there is a consensus to use one 
of the existing documents as a starting point.

If there is, the chairs' assumption is to ask the authors to move the work to 
IVY, instead of just referencing it progressed in other places. It may still 
take some time for the WG (e.g., via design team discussion, interim 
meeting(s)) to tailor the work to fully fit the IVY charter, that's why we say 
"evolve it to become the network inventory base model".

Best Regards,
Qiufang
From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) [mailto:jcla...@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 10:26 PM
To: maqiufang (A) ; 
inventory-y...@ietf.org
Cc: ivy-cha...@ietf.org; opsawg ; cc...@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

Since you copied opsawg, I'll make it clear my reply is as a contributor.  As I 
said at the first IVY meeting, I like the CCAMP work a bit more as a base 
inventory draft.  It feels more data-centric and less use-case centric if that 
makes sense.

That said, it's adopted work in CCAMP.  What would happen to it?  Would it move 
to IVY?  Would IVY work just reference it as it progresses through CCAMP?

While I like option 1, I think perhaps option 3 might be more viable, but using 
the model of the CCAMP work where it leverages previous ENTITY-MIB concepts 
while staying true to common inventory.

Joe

From: Inventory-yang 
mailto:inventory-yang-boun...@ietf.org>> on 
behalf of maqiufang (A) 
mailto:maqiufang1=40huawei@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Date: Monday, August 28, 2023 at 02:22
To: inventory-y...@ietf.org 
mailto:inventory-y...@ietf.org>>
Cc: ivy-cha...@ietf.org 
mailto:ivy-cha...@ietf.org>>, opsawg 
mailto:opsawg@ietf.org>>, 
cc...@ietf.org mailto:cc...@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Inventory-yang] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model
Hi Working Group,

It's now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is "good 
enough", we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we'd like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:

1.  Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it 
to become the network inventory base model
2.  Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and 
evolve it to become the network inventory base model
3.  Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).

Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele

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Re: [OPSAWG] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model

[Joe Clarke (jclarke)]

Since you copied opsawg, I’ll make it clear my reply is as a contributor.  As I 
said at the first IVY meeting, I like the CCAMP work a bit more as a base 
inventory draft.  It feels more data-centric and less use-case centric if that 
makes sense.

That said, it’s adopted work in CCAMP.  What would happen to it?  Would it move 
to IVY?  Would IVY work just reference it as it progresses through CCAMP?

While I like option 1, I think perhaps option 3 might be more viable, but using 
the model of the CCAMP work where it leverages previous ENTITY-MIB concepts 
while staying true to common inventory.

Joe

From: Inventory-yang  on behalf of maqiufang 
(A) 
Date: Monday, August 28, 2023 at 02:22
To: inventory-y...@ietf.org 
Cc: ivy-cha...@ietf.org , opsawg , 
cc...@ietf.org 
Subject: [Inventory-yang] [inventory-yang] poll for network inventory base model
Hi Working Group,

It’s now time to start considering how to move forward with the inventory base 
model. We have two different documents that could be used as a starting point 
for our work or, in case the working group believes none of them is “good 
enough”, we can start a brand new ID.
In case the latter option is chosen, Daniele and I will write a -00 version 
including just the table of content and what we’d like to be covered in each 
section. The document will then be handed over to a pool of authors which will 
bring it till the WG adoption.

Hence, we will have a 3 weeks polling starting today. We decided to make it a 
bit longer than usual because this time the working group is requested to 
review two drafts instead of one.

This mail starts a 3 weeks polling, terminating on September 15th,  where we 
would like the working group to express your preference among:

1.   Adopt  draft-ietf-ccamp-network-inventory-yang-02 in IVY and evolve it 
to become the network inventory base model
2.   Adopt draft-wzwb-opsawg-network-inventory-management-03 in IVY and 
evolve it to become the network inventory base model
3.   Start a brand new document from scratch as described above

In the week after the closure of the polling (between September 18 and 25) we 
will have an IVY interim meeting to discuss the issues/concerns raised during 
the polling ( A separate mail will be sent).

Thank you,

Qiufang and Daniele

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