Re: TOR and HADOPI
>> While HADOPI mandates massive surveillance of Internet users, the total >> budget voted for enforcing it is a mere 6.7 M¤ per annum, which implies >> that enforcement will be entirely from the ISPs' pockets. I'm sure >> they'll love it. > The ISPs' pockets? I'd guess they'll all quickly raise their rates an > amount generous enough to cover those additional costs. Heh. only > people pay taxes and fees. :-) Fortunately, the ISP market in France has been fairly healthy since Proxad/Free.fr successfully challenged France Telecom's monopoly. There are at least 5 major players competing in the mass market on razor-thin margins, plus a number of higher-priced professional offers, plus at least one non-profit organisation that manages to actually provide ADSL to peoples' homes (fdn.fr). I really don't see how an ISP could significantly increase the costs without losing a significant part of the French market share. Juliusz
Re: TOR and HADOPI
Freemor wrote: > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:25:49 -0700 (PDT) > Curious Kid wrote: > > > > > This policy model, applied globally, may put and end to Tor. Imagine > > if exit nodes in every country were shut down, yet their operators > > were still required to pay for an Internet connection for a long > > period of time thereafter. Each country having their own special > > blend of banned activities further complicates matters. > > > > Maybe Tor could go completely hidden. > > I really can't see how the pay for something you aren't receiving part > of this bill will stand any kind of a legal challenge. Cutting off a > persons service is one thing. Forcing a person to pay for nothing is > almost universally considered theft/extortion. Particularly when the "pay for nothing" was not part of any due process. But we shall see.
Re: TOR and HADOPI
On Thu, 28 May 2009 22:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Curious Kid wrote: > > This policy model, applied globally, may put and end to Tor. Imagine > if exit nodes in every country were shut down, yet their operators > were still required to pay for an Internet connection for a long > period of time thereafter. Each country having their own special > blend of banned activities further complicates matters. > > Maybe Tor could go completely hidden. I really can't see how the pay for something you aren't receiving part of this bill will stand any kind of a legal challenge. Cutting off a persons service is one thing. Forcing a person to pay for nothing is almost universally considered theft/extortion. -- free...@gmail.com free...@yahoo.ca This e-mail has been digitally signed with GnuPG - ( http://gnupg.org/ ) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: TOR and HADOPI
This policy model, applied globally, may put and end to Tor. Imagine if exit nodes in every country were shut down, yet their operators were still required to pay for an Internet connection for a long period of time thereafter. Each country having their own special blend of banned activities further complicates matters. Maybe Tor could go completely hidden. - Original Message > From: 7v5w7go9ub0o <7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com> > To: or-talk@freehaven.net > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:59:08 PM > Subject: Re: TOR and HADOPI > > Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > >> Is anyone know where find an "how to use TOR against HADOPI" ? > > > > Using tor to evade the French data retention and HADOPI laws is no different > > from using tor for evading the surveillance of other police states. > > > >> (Hadopi is the new law in france about P2P: if you download some music or > >> movie with a P2P system, the provider will send you a mail to say stop; if > >> you continue, they send a real letter and after, they stop your connexion > >> and FINE you (and you will continue to pay provider but you will have no > >> right to have an internet connexion :-(( ) - > >> http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21764 - ) > > > > Now don't get me started about how stupid HADOPI is. > > > > Under HADOPI, the ISP is required to monitor your Internet usage, at > > their cost. After three warnings, they are meant to disconnect you > > while you continue paying your ISP bill. I'm sure that's going to do > > wonders for the ISPs' customer relations. > > > > While HADOPI mandates massive surveillance of Internet users, the total > > budget voted for enforcing it is a mere 6.7 M¤ per annum, which implies > > that enforcement will be entirely from the ISPs' pockets. I'm sure > > they'll love it. > > > > Juliusz > > The ISPs' pockets? I'd guess they'll all quickly raise their rates an amount > generous enough to cover those additional costs. Heh. only people pay > taxes > and fees. :-)
Re: TOR and HADOPI
Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: Is anyone know where find an "how to use TOR against HADOPI" ? Using tor to evade the French data retention and HADOPI laws is no different from using tor for evading the surveillance of other police states. (Hadopi is the new law in france about P2P: if you download some music or movie with a P2P system, the provider will send you a mail to say stop; if you continue, they send a real letter and after, they stop your connexion and FINE you (and you will continue to pay provider but you will have no right to have an internet connexion :-(( ) - http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21764 - ) Now don't get me started about how stupid HADOPI is. Under HADOPI, the ISP is required to monitor your Internet usage, at their cost. After three warnings, they are meant to disconnect you while you continue paying your ISP bill. I'm sure that's going to do wonders for the ISPs' customer relations. While HADOPI mandates massive surveillance of Internet users, the total budget voted for enforcing it is a mere 6.7 M¤ per annum, which implies that enforcement will be entirely from the ISPs' pockets. I'm sure they'll love it. Juliusz The ISPs' pockets? I'd guess they'll all quickly raise their rates an amount generous enough to cover those additional costs. Heh. only people pay taxes and fees. :-)
Re: TOR and HADOPI
> Is anyone know where find an "how to use TOR against HADOPI" ? Using tor to evade the French data retention and HADOPI laws is no different from using tor for evading the surveillance of other police states. > (Hadopi is the new law in france about P2P: if you download some music or > movie with a P2P system, the provider will send you a mail to say stop; if > you continue, they send a real letter and after, they stop your connexion > and FINE you (and you will continue to pay provider but you will have no > right to have an internet connexion :-(( ) - > http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21764 - ) Now don't get me started about how stupid HADOPI is. Under HADOPI, the ISP is required to monitor your Internet usage, at their cost. After three warnings, they are meant to disconnect you while you continue paying your ISP bill. I'm sure that's going to do wonders for the ISPs' customer relations. While HADOPI mandates massive surveillance of Internet users, the total budget voted for enforcing it is a mere 6.7 M€ per annum, which implies that enforcement will be entirely from the ISPs' pockets. I'm sure they'll love it. Juliusz
Re: TOR and HADOPI
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 10:05 +0200, Noiano wrote: > cha...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Is anyone know where find an "how to use TOR against HADOPI" ? > > > > (Hadopi is the new law in france about P2P: if you download some music > > or movie with a P2P system, the provider will send you a mail to say > > stop; if you continue, they send a real letter and after, they stop > > your connexion and FINE you (and you will continue to pay provider but > > you will have no right to have an internet connexion :-(( ) > > -http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21764 - ) > > > > Thanks > > You'd better use some VPN service like IPREDator (info here > http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/03/the-pirate-bay-to-roll-out-secure-vpn-service.ars). > Tor is not suitable for P2P. > > Noiano You could also try i2p for torrents / emule. If you're running Deluge, you can set peer, tracker, webseed, and DHT proxies independently, so you could use i2p for the actual data and Tor for the tracker (that is a supported p2p use of Tor). You could also switch your P2P to GNUnet, which, while young, shows a lot of promise IMO. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: TOR and HADOPI
cha...@gmail.com wrote: > Hello, > > Is anyone know where find an "how to use TOR against HADOPI" ? > > (Hadopi is the new law in france about P2P: if you download some music > or movie with a P2P system, the provider will send you a mail to say > stop; if you continue, they send a real letter and after, they stop > your connexion and FINE you (and you will continue to pay provider but > you will have no right to have an internet connexion :-(( ) > -http://www.p2pnet.net/story/21764 - ) > > Thanks You'd better use some VPN service like IPREDator (info here http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/03/the-pirate-bay-to-roll-out-secure-vpn-service.ars). Tor is not suitable for P2P. Noiano signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
