Re: Statspack Will Not Install Oracle 9.2.0.4

2004-01-26 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Ethan:

You can remove the order by if you are not using RAC. Basically it is
to avoid two identical SQLs inserted at the SAME time in RAC setup.

If you are using  RAC just add another column in the order by
condition.  (st1.hash_value,ss.text_subset,st1.piece) 

I don't have the bug # handy. But I was told this is fixed in 10g ;)


KG



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Re: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-10 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
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Re: Books on rac

2004-01-09 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
AS OF NOW,  I have not come across a book which talks about RAC at a
detailed level (at least to the level we  expect). There are couple of
books in the market, but they cover very little on RAC (Concepts and
Internals)

But, the Oracle Documentation (At least for the RAC part) is very good
and it is very readable and has all the information you need. 




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Re: DB_WRITER_PROCESSES vs DBWR_IO_SLAVES

2004-01-09 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Thomas:

I think you are right on monitoring the db writer performance. You
should look the write complete waits/ free buffer waits to understand
the db writer contention. I am not sure what prompted your Sr.DBA to
think on increasing the IO slaves or db writers. 

KG


--- Thomas Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Running 9.2.0.2 on AIX 4.3.3. We recently experienced a situation
> where
> a datawarehouse database crashed due to a bug dealing with
> DBWR_IO_SLAVES > 0.  
> Oracle's recommended fix was to set the DBWR_IO_SLAVES to 0, which I
> did.   
> 
> Now, my understanding is that if AIO is enabled on the box, the rule
> of
> thumb 
> appears to be to use DB_WRITER_PROCESSES and set DBWR_IO_SLAVES = 0.
> 
> Now, the Sr DBA here is screaming about the performance since I made
> the
> change,
> in particular, he says he's seeing high redo latch contention and
> redo
> log
> buffer waits which he says validates his contention that we need to
> get
> back to 
> using DBWR_IO_SLAVES.
> 
> I admit I'm confused.   I don't clearly see the relationship that he
> complaining
> about.
> 
> My idea of 'monitoring' was to assess free buffer waits, and to
> monitor
> the batch
> schedules to see if any degradation in timing had occurred, and since
> the change,
> neither has been an issue.
> 
> Am I missing something?What stats should I be assessing to
> contrast
> the
> use of DB_WRITER_PROCESSES vs DBWR_IO_SLAVES?   And yes, I've googled
> and 
> metalinked and and most information is mainly pertinent to 7.3.4 and
> 8i
> and of 
> a more general nature.
> 
> And yes, DISK_ASCYCH_IO is set to TRUE.
> 
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Re: Suggestions Needed: Latch free - library cache

2004-01-09 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Yong:

I have not followed the thread completely. So I may be missing
something obvious ;)



Many applications (for example Oracle Applications) use public synonyms
heavily and running with better (or acceptable) performance.  We should
not really worry about the milli second performance improvements
comparing with the coding/application development flexibilities offered
by public synonymns. 

If you look at Steve's test carefully, the improvement or over head in
the public synonym to private synonym is around 10% of the CPU time and
latch gets. How much performance improvement you can expect in
practical systems with the additiona  10% of latch gets/CPU times
comparing with the overall system performance. I would expect less than
(LESS THAN) 1-2% in total response time.



The actual over head is coming from the negative dependency tracking or
high version count in the Library cache. But this will be an issue only
 when too many users are connected and accssing the database  with too
many accounts (different parsing user_id). But this is rarely a
situation in many of the packaged application as most of the
application connects to the database using a single account (like
'APPS' user in Oracle eBusiness suite) and no negative dependency or
multi version of SQLs are  an issue here (at least in a single instance
oracle). The over head can be little higher in RAC environment as the
Library Cache and Row cache is globally co-ordinated. 

However I have not really seen major problem (may be I have not
observed them too keen) with the public synonyms as most of the
packaged applications I have worked are using a single oracle account
to connect to the database. It is just my personal observation, and may
be Jonathan can have a different opinion.

Regards,
KG

PS : Aplogies if some one has already addressed this issue, I have been
traveling and didn;t have enough free time to read all the posts. Seen
lots of posts flooding on this topic and jumped in out of curiosity.  





--- Yong Huang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > To the OP: Other people point out common reasons for library
> cache latch
> > > contention. A less common reason is extensive use of public
> synonyms.
> > > If that's the reason, you also see row cache objects latch
> contention.
> >
> > I'm not sure that's right.  If everyone uses a public synonym, then
> > you get one sql text, and one cursor.  I think the contention
> appears
> > because everyone has to have a 'non-existent' reference in memory
> > to say that they don't own an object with the same name as the
> public
> > synonym - consequently if you have lots of users who have to check
> > long chains of  'non-existent' then the latches get held for longer
> > periods of time.
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> I don't see how your statement contradicts the claim that heavy use
> of public
> synonyms causes contention for not only library cache latches but
> also row
> cache objects latches. What I had in mind is Steve Adams' test.
> Here's the URL
> http://www.ixora.com.au/newsletter/2001_05.htm#synonyms. If I
> understand right,
> the additional row cache objects latch gets are for synonym
> translations,
> particularly public synonym translations.
> 
> Yong Huang
> 
>

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Re: recreable/freeable chunks

2004-01-06 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Tanel:

You are right. But the actual freeing process (from the re-creatable
chunks) is quite different from what you have explained.  The
recreatable chunks (they are freeable, but can be re-creatable if
required as you have explained) will be falling in two catagories.

They are either pinned or un pinned. The unpinned list again has two
separate lists (two LRU lists, one for transient and another one is for
recurrent), and the freeing process starts from transient list.

IF we don't get the required memory, then it is moved to the other
list, i.e recurrent chunk LRU and the search ends when the required
size is found. I think 8 chunks are freed in the previous list before
it shifting to the recurrent list.   If the process doesn't get the
required free memory, it will try to allocate from hidden memory before
signalling ORA-04031.



--- Tanel Poder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I wrote about recreatable chunk handling from memory and mixed up
> chunk
> freeing routines and chunk's data recreation routines:
> A callback routine is used when a process wants to free a recreatable
> chunk -> it can't reuse it just like that, because the original
> allocator
> (parent object) still has pointers pointing to this chunk, so the
> same
> object who allocated the chunk, has to do the freeing as well.
> That's my understanding, it'd be interesting to know whether it's
> correct ;)
> 
> Tanel.
> 
> 
> > Recreatable:
> >   This chunk is used, but its contents can be regenerated if needed
> (such
> are execution plans for cursors for example), thus Oracle can
> automatically
> reuse these chunks for others (of course when these chunks aren´t in
> use,
> thus unpinned). So when this information orignially stored in
> recreatable
> chunk is needed again, a callback function is executed, to recreate
> the
> contents in a chunk - callback functions containing instructions to
> recreate
> the information are registered for each recreatable chunk in heap
> manager's
> area if I recall correctly...)
> > Information about unpinned recreatable chunks are held in heap LRU
> lists.
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Re: Hit Ratio

2003-12-23 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Yong:

I have not seen all the threads on this. So there are chances some body
might have
covered this/I may be missing some interesting things..But the issue is,
tuning or measuring the
database performance ONLY with Hit Ratios.  By high hit ratios Damagement
will tend to understand , that percentage of data is read from the
cache/memory
and try to add memory till the get closer to 100..

I think what we need to understand is the interpretation of Hit ratio.  90%
HIT
ratio does not mean 90% of the data is read from the disk. It just tells a
block
or buffer which was read in to cache is RE-READ 9 times before it goes to
disk.
I have seen many sites with oversized buffer cache/shared pool targetting
100%
hit ratio and suffering huge latch contention. I have been to a site
recently where a FLUSH
shared pool took nearly 5 minutes and checkpoint took close to a minute,
with 99.99%CHR.

But simulating high wait times by yout tricks for a  particular session may
bump the wait times
& You may probably generate high times for enqueue or any of the IO
events.  But when you use 10046 or V$session_wait for a particular session,
the bumped numbers will not  be affecting the diagnosability of your
problem.

But if you want to start questioning, you can question the timing details of
the
wait events. Oracle uses gettimeofday () to get the time of the wait events
and
if you alter the system time couple of times, that may give some odd numbers
to the entire timing data.   But the bottomline is , Hit ratios are
beautiful numbers
but, you can not relate the pattern to the performance. May be you can
compare
the hit ratio when the system is good/bad and figure out there is a change
in IO
pattern between those interval.. IMHO and YMMV.


Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan




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> Hi, Carel-Jan and Rich,
>
> Connor's script to bump up buffer cache hit ratios is meant to be a humor.
Only
> if you carefully comtemplate it will you see that there's no relevance of
the
> fact that you can get any hit ratio to the fact that hit ratios are
> insufficient in performance tuning.
>
> It would be equally easy to write scripts to bump up some wait event
times. If
> you need very long db file reads, create a big table and keep scanning it.
If
> you need long enqueue waits, create a table and insert a row. Create 10 or
100
> sessions (depending on your patience) and delete from that table and wait.
The
> fact that you can get arbitary wait times does not reduce the efficacy of
wait
> event interface as a performance tuning tool.
>
> Buffer cache or library cache hit ratios are not sufficient, very
insufficient
> used alone, to tune the database. The reason is that they don't contain
enough
> information to tune the system with. This is the only reason we should not
> solely rely on them; in fact, not using them at all doesn't hurt much. The
> reason is not that we can get any value we want by playing pranks.
>
> Hit ratios are still used in other performance tuning and not condemned.
> Although in UNIX performance tuning one looks at absolute numbers such as
scan
> rate, CPU usage and netstat output more often, hit ratios in some sar
output
> are still occasionally used. Most ratios could still be distored by a
rogue
> user repeatedly doing, say, "find /" for inodes or "find / -exec grep
SomeThing
> {} \;" for page cache.
>
> In any tuning practice, Oracle or OS, artificially distorting usage
patterns
> invalidates your numbers even if you're using a well respected tuning
method.
> So only play pranks on a play box, not production.
>
> Yong Huang
>
> At 11:14 22-12-03 -0800, you wrote:
> >My BCHR is currently 96.62%.  In the past, it was normally over 99%.
What
> >should I do?
> >
> >I'll be waiting for Mladen's reply...  :)
> >
> >
> >Rich
> >
> >Rich Jesse   System/Database Administrator
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA
>
> Go to www.oracledba.co.uk (Connor) or go to O'Reilly (download page of
> Cary's book), and download one of the fabulous BCHR enhancement scripts.
> Especially when your bonus depends on it, this is a good time to perform
> some BCHR tuning.
>
> Regards, Carel-Jan
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Re: rebuilding indexes - sure to cause a ruckus

2003-12-10 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Richard:

I think that is the simple way of questioning other person's capacity.

Remember this statment (borrowed from some one !!)

"If you are telling something is simple,
you are questioning the other person's intelligence !!'


KG

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Re: ** can two processes use the same rollback extent

2003-12-03 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Yes Jonathan:

I think that 400 byte concept came from one of the TPC benchmarks during
Oracle 7 (or ORacle 6) days where the average undo size for a transcation
was around 380+ bytes. So they had rounded that to 400 bytes and a maximum
of 5 blocks will be linked to the freelist in the undo segment header.

THis is called 'free extent pool' and the structure and the blocks are
clearly visible in the undo header dumps.

Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan
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>
> A single block can only be 'owned' by one transaction
> at a time, but when a transaction commits, it may put
> its last undo block into that segment's 'free pool' list if there
> is a lot of free space left in the block so that it can be made
> available for new transactions .  (Gaja Vaidyanatha quoted
> 400 bytes as the limit).
>
>
> Regards
>
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> i can answer the first part of your question..
> YES, two transactions can write on the same extent of an RBS, i think the
> restriction is at the block level,
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Re: RAC and Forms6i

2003-12-01 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi,

RAC is just a database option. If RDBMS 9.2 is certified against a
product means, 9.2 RAC is also certifid on that product. But all the
RAC features may not work with the certified option.. (Is it too
confusing?!(

Okay.. The TAF feature in RAC (okay... it is not a RAC feature!!) will
not work with forms. 

Is this what you are looking or something else?


Regards,
Gopal

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> 
> Oracle Forms & Reports patch 15 is certified with Oracle 9.2
> (according 
> to Metalink).
> Does that mean that Forms are certified against RAC too?
> Can anyone confirm that, having/knowing any working RAC9.2+Forms6i 
> environments?
> 
> Thanks,
> Bruno Vanters
> Junior Oracle DBA
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RE: alter database character set (Was: RE: 'internal' role and 9i)

2003-11-18 Thread K Gopalakrishnan


Yes. You can use INTERNAL_USE keyword to convert the database character set.
I think there is a utility called 'csscan' character set scanner which can
be
used to determine the possibility of the INTERNAL_USE conversion.




Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan




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Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:00 AM
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Gopal,

Are you saying with an undocumented parameter or command, I can alter
database
(national) character set us7ascii even if my current (national) character
set
is utf8?

Yong Huang

--- K Gopalakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> INTERNAL_USE is an keyword (to enable an undocumented feature) in ALTER
> DATABASE
> command. THis can be used to convert the database character set if the
> existing
> char set (national charset) is the superset of the db charset. You can
just
> run
> the ALTER Database command to convert the db charset.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> K Gopalakrishnan
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Barry Deevey
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 7:09 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> As of yet I'm unsure how the application would be affected if I rename the
> role - I need to do some investigation.
>
> I tried this in Oracle 8 and it worked fine - It just seems to be oracle 9
> that doesn't like it.
>
> I've also checked v$reserved_words and INTERNAL is not listed,
INTERNAL_USE
> and INTERNAL_CONVERT are.  As a test I created roles for INTERNAL_USE and
> INTERNAL_CONVERT, hoping that it would not allow me to create them, but it
> did, so I then ran the grant again and it also allowed it.
>
> Now I'm really confused!!

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RE: col_usage$ question

2003-11-18 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Raj:

Wolfgang is right. It is populated by SMON (I think every 15mins SMON
flushes the data to COL_USAGE) and the predicate columns are updated
(or collected) from the hard parse of the SQLs.

Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan




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That is a new table in Oracle 9 and is used by Oracle to track what columns
are used in predicates. At present the only use of that information that I
am aware of is in the procedure dbms_stats.gather_table_stats ( ...,
method_opt => 'for columns ... size auto');

At 09:29 AM 11/18/2003, you wrote:

>Does anyone know what this table (sys.col_usage$) is used for? To me it
>sounds like something that CBO might appreciate ... but any ideas? It is
>referenced by dbms_stats and dbms_stats_internal packages ...
>
>Thanks in advance
>Raj
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RE: 'internal' role and 9i

2003-11-18 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
INTERNAL_USE is an keyword (to enable an undocumented feature) in ALTER
DATABASE
command. THis can be used to convert the database character set if the
existing
char set (national charset) is the superset of the db charset. You can just
run
the ALTER Database command to convert the db charset.



Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan




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As of yet I'm unsure how the application would be affected if I rename the
role - I need to do some investigation.

I tried this in Oracle 8 and it worked fine - It just seems to be oracle 9
that doesn't like it.

I've also checked v$reserved_words and INTERNAL is not listed, INTERNAL_USE
and INTERNAL_CONVERT are.  As a test I created roles for INTERNAL_USE and
INTERNAL_CONVERT, hoping that it would not allow me to create them, but it
did, so I then ran the grant again and it also allowed it.

Now I'm really confused!!

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Barry,

Why make life difficult?  It's just a role, not a data
object referenced by applications (hopefully).  Change it's
name to something that is not a "reserved word" and move on.
 There is a list of "reserved words" in the SQL Language
reference.

Hope this helps...

-Tim


> Hello all,
>
> I'm attempting to import into 9.2.0.1.0 from 7.3.4 and I'm
> getting loads of the same error:
>
> IMP-00017: following statement failed with ORACLE error
> 9275:
>  "GRANT SELECT ON "DOWNLOAD_SEQ" TO "INTERNAL""
> IMP-3: ORACLE error 9275 encountered
> ORA-09275: CONNECT INTERNAL is not a valid DBA connection
>
> I'm aware that connect internal does not exist in 9i, but
> 'internal' is a role.
>
> So as a test I dropped the role, recreated it and then
> manually tried to grant it something - The same error
> occurred:
> SQL> select * from dba_roles where role like 'INTER%';
>
> ROLE   PASSWORD
> -- 
> INTERNAL   NO
>
> SQL>
> SQL> drop role internal;
>
> Role dropped.
>
> SQL> create role internal;
>
> Role created.
>
> SQL> GRANT SELECT ON DOWNLOAD_SEQ TO INTERNAL;
> GRANT SELECT ON DOWNLOAD_SEQ TO INTERNAL
> *
> ERROR at line 1:
> ORA-09275: CONNECT INTERNAL is not a valid DBA connection
>
> SQL>
>
> This doesn't make any sense to me.  Can anybody help to
> shed any light on this??
>
> TIA for any response, they're much appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Barry.
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Re: RBO to CBO migration books/ material

2003-11-13 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Suhen:

John K has a nice paper (IOUG-A?) at his website. Google for his name or
'RBM CBO Migration minefields'


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Re: 10g new features

2003-11-04 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Yong:

I was not joking. Actually there is a command to rename tablespaces in 9i
and that is undocumented. IIRC it is with some FROM and TO options or
something similar to that.

Let me check that come back to you  offline..

KG

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> Gopal was joking about the fact that Jared only said 'alter tablespace
rename'
> instead of ALTER TABLESPACE RENAME DATAFILE.
>
> In fact, 9.2 SQL Reference has this
>
> Moving and Renaming Tablespaces: Example
> This example moves and renames a datafile associated with the tbs_01
tablespace
> from 'diskb:tbs_f5.dat' to 'diska:tbs_f5.dat':
>
> If you only read the subtitle here (first line), you *will* be surprised.
>
> Yong
>
> --- Mladen Gogala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Actually, I don't understand what you mean. Here is 9.2:
> >
> > SQL> create tablespace test datafile '/data/oradata/data/test01.dbf'
> >   2  size 10M extent management local autoallocate
> >   3  segment space management auto;
> >
> > Tablespace created.
> >
> > SQL> alter tablespace test rename to test01;
> > alter tablespace test rename to test01
> >  *
> > ERROR at line 1:
> > ORA-01904: DATAFILE keyword expected
> >
> >
> > SQL>
> >
> >
> > So, what did you mean?
> >
> > On 2003.11.03 21:59, K Gopalakrishnan wrote:
> > > Jared:
> > >
> > > 'alter tablespace rename' is not the REAL 10g feature. It is available
> > > from 9.2 onwards... :) Hope you know what I mean,,
> > >
> > > KG
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> > >   Found a site with some 10g new features.
> > >
> > >   http://www.adp-gmbh.ch/ora/misc/10g.html
> > >
> > >   I'm sure some will like the new 'alter tablespace rename'
> > >
> > >   http://www.adp-gmbh.ch/ora/concepts/tablespaces.html#sysaux
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> > >
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Re: 10g new features

2003-11-03 Thread K Gopalakrishnan



Jared:
 
'alter tablespace rename' is not the REAL 10g 
feature. It is available
from 9.2 onwards... :) Hope you know what I 
mean,,
 
KG
 

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  Found a site with some 10g new 
  features. http://www.adp-gmbh.ch/ora/misc/10g.html 
  I'm sure some will like the new 'alter 
  tablespace rename' http://www.adp-gmbh.ch/ora/concepts/tablespaces.html#sysaux 
  Jared


Re: What is a local write wait?

2003-11-03 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
This event is one of those 'you would never see' in normal database
operations.  As I have mentioned
in my earlier post, existance of this event translates in to some serious
I/O issues or broken disk in RAID05
or something similar to that..



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>
> Thanks KG.
>
> There were underlying OS I/O issues. The SA is looking to fix the same.
>
> Regards
> Raj
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>
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> Rajesh:
>
> Typically DBWR has to free up some buffers when you want to read something
> from the disk. During this process there are chances
> that you will be waiting for your local buffer (i.e blocks
> dirtied/invalidated by your session) to be written to disk. During this
> time
> the
> waits are shown as local write waits.
>
> BTW do you have any other write waits or just seeing local waits?  And
also
> are you noticing any timeouts for this waits? Typically
> we wait for local wait up to one second and spin (or retry) again..
> Timeouts
> for local write indicates a serious problem unless you
> have tiny  buffer cache or extremely slow disk'
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> > Was creating an index with a degree of 4, and in unrecoverable manner?
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> > shed more light on this wait?
> >
> > Thanks
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Re: What is a local write wait?

2003-11-01 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Rajesh:

Typically DBWR has to free up some buffers when you want to read something
from the disk. During this process there are chances
that you will be waiting for your local buffer (i.e blocks
dirtied/invalidated by your session) to be written to disk. During this time
the
waits are shown as local write waits.

BTW do you have any other write waits or just seeing local waits?  And also
are you noticing any timeouts for this waits? Typically
we wait for local wait up to one second and spin (or retry) again.. Timeouts
for local write indicates a serious problem unless you
have tiny  buffer cache or extremely slow disk'


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> Was creating an index with a degree of 4, and in unrecoverable manner?
> There were few waits for an event called "local write wait". Can anyone
> shed more light on this wait?
>
> Thanks
> Raj
>
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Re: Alter tablespace begin backup

2003-10-31 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Jeremiah Wilton has a nice note on his site.. Check it at

http://www.speakeasy.org/~jwilton/oracle/hot-backup.html

=
Have a nice day !!

Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan,
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Re: 10046 level 8 trace - help required with 'direct path

2003-10-30 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Yong:

They are temp files. The file# for the temp files start with db_files+1.
Because of this, there may be chances your pl will have 1000+ though you
have only hand ful of datafiles.

KG



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> Hi, Tim,
>
> Assuming you don't have more than 1000 files, what's your db_files set to
and
> what's select file#, name from v$tempfile? If you do have more than 1026
files,
> select file#, name from v$datafile.
>
> Also show us select * from v$sort_usage if you can run that DELETE again.
>
> XCTEND rlbk=0: your transaction end marker says it's not rolling back;
i.e.
> it's committing.
>
> Yong Huang
>
> --- Andy Rivenes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Looks sort spillage to disk due to the where clause.
> >
> > Andy Rivenes
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> > At 06:44 AM 10/30/2003 -0800, Tim Onions wrote:
> > >Gurus
> > >
> > >I've applied many of the things I've learnt from this list over the
years
> > >and today I tried a 10046 trace for the first time on a reported "slow"
> > >transaction. From what I can tell the biggest offender is a wait
seemingly
> > >associated with rollback (see below) called 'direct path write'. Is
this
> > >just a traditional wait for a row lock to be released or something more
> > >sinister? Any help much appreciated. Also (daft question time) what
units
> > >are "tim=" in? (ie how many seconds between tim=131853898 and
> > >tim=131853270).
> > >
> > >This SE 8.1.7.4.12 on Windows 2000.
> > >
> > >Thank you
> > >
> > >T¬
> > >
> > >PARSING IN CURSOR #15 len=60 dep=2 uid=38 oct=7 lid=38 tim=131853270
> > >hv=2073223040 ad='8e9a2080'
> > >DELETE FROM ROUTING_NEXT_JOB RNJ WHERE RNJ.NEXT_JOB_ID = :b1
> > >END OF STMT
> > >PARSE #15:c=0,e=2,p=0,cr=1,cu=0,mis=1,r=0,dep=2,og=0,tim=131853270
> > >WAIT #15: nam='latch free' ela= 0 p1=-1856345836 p2=106 p3=0
> > >EXEC #15:c=0,e=0,p=0,cr=3,cu=14,mis=0,r=2,dep=2,og=4,tim=131853270
> > >XCTEND rlbk=0, rd_only=0
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=59401 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=59404 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 1 p1=1026 p2=59407 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=59410 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 2 p1=1026 p2=59411 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=59414 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=59417 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 1 p1=1026 p2=59421 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=59425 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=59428 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=59431 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path write' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=59434 p3=1
> > >...
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path read' ela= 79 p1=1026 p2=41389 p3=7
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path read' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=41396 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path read' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=41397 p3=7
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path read' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=41404 p3=1
> > >WAIT #14: nam='direct path read' ela= 0 p1=1026 p2=41405 p3=3
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Re: using temp tables for staging databases?

2003-10-27 Thread K Gopalakrishnan



Hi,
 
The walking in the freelist is just 5 blocks (or 
the value of _walk_insert_threshold number of blocks) and  I belive tanel 
is talking
about (_release_insert_threshold) unlinking from 
freelist, which also default to 5 blocks.
 
KG

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Binley 
  Lim 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:59 
  PM
  Subject: Re: using temp tables for 
  staging databases?
  
  What you have described is expected behaviour - 
  if "the next insert would drop amount of free space less than PCTFREE", 
  the block is unlinked. 
   
  What I had not considered is what 
  happens when the block is still below PCTUSED? As usual, Steve Adams' 
  website explains this very nicely - it is not unlinked, just walked over, so 
  the next smaller insert is likely to succeed. And as you pointed out, It would 
  indeed take rows that are a large proportion of blocksize for this effect to 
  have an impact.
  
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Poder 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 10:09 
PM
Subject: Re: using temp tables for 
staging databases?

No, blocks won't fill up to PCTFREE in case a 
block is already above PCTUSED and the next insert would drop amount of free 
space less than PCTFREE. Blocks are just unlinked from freelist in this 
case. That means if you normally have 10byte inserts and occasionally have 
4000 byte inserts in your table, then you might be wasting space due to 
premature unlink of blocks in 
freelist.


Re: state objects

2003-10-26 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Sultan:

PGA is a private memory area which holds actual memory components
(like sort area, event settings,parameter settings and UGA). State objects
are just the data structure which holds the info about the OS resources
(b)locked by the instance.

In other words, state objects can be called as global and PGA components
are local to that process (in crude terms.)

KG

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> Hi K Gopalakrishnan ,
> Wishing you the same
> Thanks I understood what is state objects,but another question
arisses,when
> this
> state objects having process status then what this PGA really do and
> why that process status recorded again in PGA?
> Please clarify
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:59 PM
>
>
> > Wishing you all a  very  Happy Diwali.. The festival of lights  !
> >
> > State object is a structure inside the shared pool which keeps the
details
> > about
> > every components (for example, process or session or enqueues) and their
> > status (or state).  Basically it is an operating system resource related
> to
> > the
> > oracle instance (or an OS resource held by oracle instance) which has
> > multiple
> > states (free/init and dead I think). The background process PMON is
> > responsible for freeing those resources to the OS should any of the
state
> > object dies because of the process failure.
> >
> > Typically the SYSTEMSTATE dump will have the details about the state
> > objects.
> > Part of this info is visible in the V$sysstat. You will see the state
> object
> > as SO in the
> > system state dump. Along with you get the owner (holding that SO) and
the
> > state
> > of the state object (is that too confusing?)  which tells whether that
SO
> is
> > in the freelist
> > or initialized or dead.
> >
> > For better understanding of the various state objects I would recommend
to
> > take a
> > systemstate/process state dump and have a look at the trace files.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > K Gopalakrishnan
> > Bangalore, INDIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
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> >
> > > Does anybody have a definition for the Oracle shared pool component
> "State
> > > Object"? An Object that holds the state of something? Using Google, I
> get
> > > some hints, but just wondered if someone has something definite.
> > >
> > > Sultan - your question got my curiosity aroused. I'm sorry I lost your
> > reply
> > > that confirmed you were indeed looking at the SGA.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dennis Williams
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> > >
> > > Sultan - Are you referring to the Oracle shared pool components that
are
> > > identified as state objects? A quick Google also revealed that Java
has
> > > state objects.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dennis Williams
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> > > Can someone please explain what is 'state objects' in oracle and what
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> > > that real work?
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Seven Deadly Sins in Oracle?

2003-10-24 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
List,

Anyone has the copy of Steve Adams'  'Seven deadly sins in Oralce' paper. I
guess Steve presented this in OOW '01 and I am looking for that paper.. If
anyone has a copy of that note, please mail me privately.

Thanks !

Regards,
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Re: state objects

2003-10-24 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Wishing you all a  very  Happy Diwali.. The festival of lights  !

State object is a structure inside the shared pool which keeps the details
about
every components (for example, process or session or enqueues) and their
status (or state).  Basically it is an operating system resource related to
the
oracle instance (or an OS resource held by oracle instance) which has
multiple
states (free/init and dead I think). The background process PMON is
responsible for freeing those resources to the OS should any of the state
object dies because of the process failure.

Typically the SYSTEMSTATE dump will have the details about the state
objects.
Part of this info is visible in the V$sysstat. You will see the state object
as SO in the
system state dump. Along with you get the owner (holding that SO) and the
state
of the state object (is that too confusing?)  which tells whether that SO is
in the freelist
or initialized or dead.

For better understanding of the various state objects I would recommend to
take a
systemstate/process state dump and have a look at the trace files.


Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan
Bangalore, INDIA




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> Does anybody have a definition for the Oracle shared pool component "State
> Object"? An Object that holds the state of something? Using Google, I get
> some hints, but just wondered if someone has something definite.
>
> Sultan - your question got my curiosity aroused. I'm sorry I lost your
reply
> that confirmed you were indeed looking at the SGA.
>
>
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
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>
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> Sultan - Are you referring to the Oracle shared pool components that are
> identified as state objects? A quick Google also revealed that Java has
> state objects.
>
>
>
> Dennis Williams
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> Can someone please explain what is 'state objects' in oracle and what is
> that real work?
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Re: 10046 trace question

2003-10-22 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Title: 10046 trace question



Raj:
 
THe simple option is to run the ALTER SESSION 
command to set some session level parameter like 1=1 and get the timings. Giving 
the EXECUTE  on DBMS_SYSTEM is not a good idea.
 
KG

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  Subject: 10046 trace question
  
  Hi all, 
  I am monitoring a production database and 
  while we have performance issues looked at, I have 10046^8 running on all user 
  session in this RAC db. 
  The scenario is as follows ... user logs in 
  through a windows terminal server, opens multiple sessions (oracle forms) to 
  connect to database. Whenever they see a performance issue (AKA slowness) they 
  hit a button on their windows session, that sends an email to us informing 
  that user experienced slowness at say 10am.
  Now normally because users don't exit their 
  session till COB, the trace files are still incomplete at the time when user 
  reported slowness. While these trace files are useful to look at next day, 
  there is no way (that I know of) to go into the trace file and answer 
  questions like "what was this user doing around 10am" ... is there? 

  Also is there an easy way to put a marker 
  in the trace file (something like dbms_system.ksdddt) that can be invoked 
  preferable triggered from a script ... and then we can go back to trace file 
  and find out what the session was doing by looking at trace lines around the 
  marker?
  I don't know if anyone has done this 
  before, or I am really trying to offset the US debt by collecting 
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RE: Cache a table

2003-10-21 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Mike:

I guess we are aware there is no concept of LRU or MRU in current
versions of Oracle and I don't think CACHE option will influence the
behavior. With the new algorithm the MFU blocks are already in the hot
end (unless they are read using CR read in that case they will be in
cold end since we set the _db_aging_freeze_cr to TRUE) and we don't
need to cache the blocks explicitely.

You can monitor the behavior of this using the X$BH (espicially  the
last two columns TCH and TIM).




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Re: LONG data type in 10g

2003-10-16 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
SQL*Plus: Release 10.1.0.0.0 - Beta on Thu Oct 16 20:35:19 2003

Copyright (c) 1982, 2003, Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.

Connected to an idle instance.

SQL> startup;
ORACLE instance started.

Total System Global Area  170990484 bytes
Fixed Size   760724 bytes
Variable Size 121634816 bytes
Database Buffers   25165824 bytes
Redo Buffers   23429120 bytes
Database mounted.
Database opened.
SQL> desc view$;
 Name  Null?Type
 - 

 OBJ#  NOT NULL NUMBER
 AUDIT$NOT NULL VARCHAR2(38)
 COLS  NOT NULL NUMBER
 INTCOLS   NOT NULL NUMBER
 PROPERTY  NOT NULL NUMBER
 FLAGS NOT NULL NUMBER
 TEXTLENGTH NUMBER
 TEXT   LONG

SQL> desc trigger$;
 Name  Null?Type
 - 

 OBJ#  NOT NULL NUMBER
 TYPE# NOT NULL NUMBER
 UPDATE$   NOT NULL NUMBER
 INSERT$   NOT NULL NUMBER
 DELETE$   NOT NULL NUMBER
 BASEOBJECTNOT NULL NUMBER
 REFOLDNAME VARCHAR2(30)
 REFNEWNAME VARCHAR2(30)
 DEFINITION VARCHAR2(4000)
 WHENCLAUSE VARCHAR2(4000)
 ACTION#LONG
 ACTIONSIZE NUMBER
 ENABLEDNUMBER
 PROPERTY  NOT NULL NUMBER
 SYS_EVTS   NUMBER
 NTTRIGCOL  NUMBER
 NTTRIGATT  NUMBER
 REFPRTNAME VARCHAR2(30)
 ACTIONLINENO   NUMBER


--- Mladen Gogala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Much more menacing question:
> Are the columns DBA_VIEWS.TEXT and DBA_TRIGGERS.TRIGGER_BODY still of
>  
> the type long?
> 
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Re: LONG data type in 10g

2003-10-16 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
YES.

--- Nancy Hu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: Find CPU clock speed on HP-UX 11

2003-10-15 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi,

It is very simple in Solaris. Just try psrinfo or psrinfo -v.  You will
get the CPU details. Not sure abt HP though :(

KG

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RE: Find CPU clock speed on HP-UX 11

2003-10-15 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Does this work? 

echo "selclass qualifier cpu;info;wait;infolog"|cstm

(Got it from Google and don't have a HP-UX now. So may or may not work)

KG

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> glance or top, but I have no idea about the clock speed. How would I
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Re: bitmap conversion on a index that is not bitmapped ???

2003-10-15 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Missed one important point. You can disable that by setting
_b_tree_bitmap_plans to FALSE. Deleting the stats may not be a right
apporach as that may screwup some other plans.

Sorry for missing the important one..

KG

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> John:
>
> Optimizer is a smart boy!!! He knows the column has few distinct values
> and decides the BITMAP access would be appropriate and making BITMAP
> plans from the BTree indexes. If you delete the stats for that index,
> you will get the old behavior.
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Re: bitmap conversion on a index that is not bitmapped ???

2003-10-15 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
John:

Optimizer is a smart boy!!! He knows the column has few distinct values
and decides the BITMAP access would be appropriate and making BITMAP
plans from the BTree indexes. If you delete the stats for that index,
you will get the old behavior. 

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Re: More info about _db_writer_max_writes

2003-10-06 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hans:

This parameter limits the max # of buffers can be pending for an AIO
operation. Usually you never need to tune (!) this parameter as the default
holds good for most platforms.

BTW what is the size of the log buffer? You will never have more than 4k
pending buffers unless you have a really huge (!) log buffer.

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> Would it be beneficial to increase _db_writer_max_writes?
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Re: x$ constructs and memory

2003-10-04 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Pete:

Sorry for the delay. I was traveling back to Bangalore from San Francisco
when you sent the message. There is a procedure in the DBMS_SYSTEM package
called KCFRMS which resets certain timing information from the X$KCFIO
(which is exposed as V$FILESTAT).

And also there is an event which can be used to flush the buffer cache and
that will reset the part of the X$BH stats (very similar to ALTER SYSTEM
FLUSH BUFFER CACHE in 10g and above!!).


Regards,
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> I have followed this thread with interest and i was waiting for you to
> elaborate on the following statement, specifically what "undocumented
> procedures" ?
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> >code and you can not create/update/delete them. However there are some
> >undocumented procudures , thru which you can reset certain tables.
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Re: Steps to convert a RAC to a single instance.

2003-10-02 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Murali:

Other than init parameter changes, you need to turn the RAC components off
from the oracle binaries. Otherwise RAC will be still running in the oracle
irrespective of init parameter.

TO Disable RAC.. follow these steps;

1. Shutdown  ALL instances on that oracle home
2. Go to $OH/rdbms/lib
3. Use the make command to relink the oracle binaries without RAC
Components..
i.e. make -f ins_rdbms.mk rac_off
4. Relink the binaries
i.e make -f ins_rdbms.mk ioracle.

Thats all !!!
Now you have Oracle Binaries without RAC.


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Re: x$ constructs and memory

2003-09-30 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
orrespond to the transactions and
> > enqueue resources arrays respectively. The reason is that they are no
> > longer fixed arrays. Instead they are "segmented arrays" that can be
> > dynamically extended by adding discontiguous chunks of shared pool
> > memory to the array. The freelists and latching for these arrays in
> > unchanged however. All you will notice is that the ADDR column of the
> > X$
> > output now returns addresses which map into your PGA rather than the
> > SGA. In fact, that is in general a good way to work out whether you
> > are
> > looking at an X$ table or an X$ interface.
> >
> > @   Regards,
> > @   Steve Adams
> > @   http://www.ixora.com.au/ - For DBAs
> > @   http://www.christianity.net.au/  - For all
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > Daniel Fink
> > Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 1:10 AM
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> >
> > I was sitting on a mountain here in Colorado, pondering Oracle
> > optimization and an interesting scenario crossed my feeble mind. As I
> > began to ponder this (I asked the resident marmot, but he must be a
> > SQL*Server expert...), I came up with several questions.
> >
> > Where in memory (sga or other) do the x$ constructs reside? Some of
> > them
> > are 'populated' by reading file-based structures (control file,
> > datafile
> > headers, undo segments). Does this information reside in memory or is
> > it
> > loaded each time the x$ construct is accessed? What happens when these
> > x$constructs begin to consume large amounts of memory? Is there an
> > upper
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Re: x$ constructs and memory

2003-09-29 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Mladen:

I hope you are not kidding.. X$ table (!) definitions are defined in the
source
code and you can not create/update/delete them. However there are some
undocumented procudures , thru which you can reset certain tables.

Regards,
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> With all due respect, I don't believe that it is a fixed area.
> You can create X$ tables by running certain catalog scripts. I believe
> that the description of X$ tables is located logically close to the
> description of the data dictionary, which would mean shared pool, not
> the fixed one. Now, can we get back to bears?
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> > >What I have not checked so far is how an ALTER SYSTEM
> > increasing a
> > parameter affects the SGA. In practice it's a realloc()
> > (functionally speaking). It would seem reasonable to me to
> > have a shared memory segment to hold all parameters which can
> > by dynamically changed. I wouldn't touch it if parameters are
> > decreased, but I would have to realloc it in case of a
> > massive increase. Hmm, I guess that I would allow some spare
> > memory initially, performance penalty would otherwise be
> > severe. Which all makes the 10g dynamic rearrangement quite
> > sensible ...
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > I think the behaviour depends on which parameter you are
> > changing. If you're changing shared_pool_size to higher size,
> > then just additional extents of memory are allocated and heap
> > header is updated. If you set sort_area_size higher, nothing
> > particular happens, except some maximum is increased in UGA I
> > believe and during next sort you can go up to that limit.
> > Some parameters like enqueue_resources can't be changed in
> > the fly, because they are fixed, they stay in fixed area of
> > SGA, fixed area isn't managed as heap as I understand, it
> > does not have any free or LRU lists, because it's physical
> > structure remains unchanged during the lifetime of an instance.
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Re: Oracle Standby database.

2003-09-25 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Avnish:

That is not possible in 8.1.7. You need to be atleast 9.2 to do that. 



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> Oracle standby database of two different versions of OS and database.
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Re: any else try trace analyzer?

2003-09-25 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Dan:

Have you tried the itfprof at www.ubtools.com , which also gives lots
of meaningful info from the 10046 trace. 

It is free, online, web based and what else you need ?




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RE: How to extract data directly from a datafile ?

2003-09-17 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Richard:

Not sure whether somebody else also tried this. Sometime back we (yours
turley and few others ) tried developing a tool to convert a datafile
from one OS format to another OS Format (little endian->big endian or
Solaris to NT etc) by reading the datablocks from one format and
writing to another format.

The original plan was to have a iDUL kind of tool with a fileconverter
to covert oracle datafiles from one OS to another OS. So the user will
have a choice to download the data from data files or convert from one
os to another OS. Since oracle started addressing this facility/feature
in the current (for future?) versions we have dropped that idea as we
don't want to compete with Oracle :D

I would be interested in knwoing abt your tool too ..

KG




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> myself.
> I have wrote on a smaller scale one just to extract data
> for our company's database (8.1.7.4) and it was extremely
> handy in one of our recovery situation where a complete
> recovery wasn't possible.
> 
> And I am using Java as well.  So maybe we can combine efforts.
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> Shame, maybe you could email the guy who is writing it and ask for
> details of where he is with it?
> 
> kind regards
> 
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Re: latch free wait event

2003-09-05 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi,

You can query the v$session_wait (or event 10046 if you are a big fan of
10046)
 to get the latch#. If I Remeber right  the P2 value in the session wait
(or p3?) gives the latch number and you can join this with v$latch_name to
get the
name of the latch.  Once you find out the waiting (or spinning) latch you
can get an
easy fix based on the latch.



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K Gopalakrishnan

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> The number of waits is irrelevant. What matters is the time waited which
in
> your case shows 0, but I assume that is because you have not set
> timed_statistics to true. Without that the data from v$system_event are
> worthless. Cary will probably step in here and tell you that even with
> timed_statistics that data is at best of dubious worth.
>
> At 02:49 PM 9/4/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>
> > System-wide Wait Analysis
> >  for current wait events
> >
> >
Average
> >Event Total  SecondsTotal
Wait
> >NameWaits  Waiting Timeouts  (in
secs)
> >-   -   -   -
> >---
> >latch free1,4590 1,393
.000
> >
> >After querying v$system_event my biggest concern is the "latch free"
wait
> >event. I understand that latch free is "the process waits for a latch
that
> >is currently busy ( held by another process).How can I drill down and
> >find the cause of this?   I have a feeling it is about rollback or redo
> >logs.
> >
> >thanks,
> >
> >
> >
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Re: RAC - lms process

2003-08-21 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Robert:

It is normal behavior only. But you didn't say about the OS and Cluster
Software. Make sure you use the highspeed private interconnect for the
block transfer between instances. I have seen in many sites public
interconnect has used for cache transfer.

Other than that, you may want to try bindling lms process to the
specific processor if your OS supports that. And also increasing the
priority also helps.

And there is an underscore parameter where you can change the lock down
converts, you can try that after checking with Oracle Support !




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> Anyone
> have any thoughts on that?
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RE: Collaboration Suite

2003-08-20 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Brian:

I  have just implemented OCS for one of our client in the middle east
and it will be live from this month end. It is working like a charm.
Let me know if you have any specific questions. I will try to answer.

Basically it is an excellent product for end users and not so good
for administrators (at least the current versions)



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Hello all,

We're looking at  Oracle collaboration suite and I'm wondering if anyone
here is
using it? If so, how is it working? Any issues? I know Oracle corp is using
it
for all their internal mail so I assume it could handle our 500 or so users
just
fine.

Thanks,


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RE: RAC interconnects

2003-08-14 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Raj,

In current versions of RAC there is no other way (other than specifying
all the IPs in the Cluster_interconnects parameter)  to force ALL
available private networks for GC traffic. I think this 'feature' is
available/planned for 10g. I have not tested that in beta. 

Check with Oracle support for any known issues (bugs??) for this
parameters. Otherwise you can use them..!


KG






--- "Jamadagni, Rajendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> KG,
> 
> yes we see the GC traffic a lot, when there are 4 production
> instances on
> each node and that is why we were interested in finding out if we
> could make
> oracle use both interconnects.
> 
> Any ideas?
> Raj
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> -Original Message-
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> Raj:
> Raj:
> 
> Use the cluster_interconnects parameter to specify all the IPs used
> for
> GC. But there is a catch. But sometimes a NIC failure will be seen as
> Node failure (though it is a very very rare case).
> 
> BTW Why do you want to use both NICs for GC traffic? DO you see lots
> of
> waits for messages?
> 
> KG
> 
> 
> --- "Jamadagni, Rajendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Is it possible to somehow tell Oracle to use all available
> > interconnects
> > (between nodes) for the GC traffic? We have 2 private interconnects
> > but we
> > see all the traffic only on one of them. The other is used only if
> > the first
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> > 
> > If Oracle could use both, it would balance the load too ??
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> > Is it possible?
> > Raj
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Re: RAC interconnects

2003-08-14 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Raj:
Raj:

Use the cluster_interconnects parameter to specify all the IPs used for
GC. But there is a catch. But sometimes a NIC failure will be seen as
Node failure (though it is a very very rare case).

BTW Why do you want to use both NICs for GC traffic? DO you see lots of
waits for messages?

KG


--- "Jamadagni, Rajendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Is it possible to somehow tell Oracle to use all available
> interconnects
> (between nodes) for the GC traffic? We have 2 private interconnects
> but we
> see all the traffic only on one of them. The other is used only if
> the first
> one is not available.
> 
> If Oracle could use both, it would balance the load too ??
> 
> Is it possible?
> Raj
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Re: Oracle SCN Question

2003-07-31 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi,

It is just combination of Base and Wrap. So your number will be
8589934593

KG

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RE: RAC

2003-07-21 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Suhen:

Check the Metalink note 166830.1 for the details.


KG


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> Can we get the Metalink note to run a single node RAC on Linux.
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> Not required.. We used to run OPS on single node :)) for testing
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RE: RAC

2003-07-21 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Not required.. We used to run OPS on single node :)) for testing
purposes. There are some step by step instructions in Metalink abt how
to do that.


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Re: RAC

2003-07-21 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
AK:

Very much possible and very simple if you are using Linux or Windoze. I
think there is a note on Metalink with step by step instructions for
setting a RAC on single node -Linux.

It is slightly complicated if you want to run RAC on windows. I know
couple of guys here who are running RAC on Windows on their laptop. You
need to get a USB disk (or flash disk) to set up the raw partitions and
you can run RAC on WIndows too...




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RE: RAC system Calls

2003-07-11 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Title: RE: RAC system Calls



Raj:
 
I am 
discussing this issue with Ravi offline. From the initial
IPC 
dumps, It looks like the private interconnect is not
properly configured/used for cache fusion. I am waiting 
for
more 
details from him..
 
 
 
Best Regards,K Gopalakrishnan
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Calls
That may be because with RAC there is more activity .. GCS 
traffic and more stats to update ... 
Raj  
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Raj, Yes. Timed_statistics=true. But I 
see the 'times' even in single instance(non-rac)database 
but relatively called negligible number of times. 
-Ravi. 


RE: RAC system Calls

2003-07-10 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Ravi:

Do you have a statspack report? I would like to see that. But 
in any case, 45% kernel is just too much?

BTW have you verified the private interconnect is used 
for cache fusion transfer.. Make sure the cache fusion
is not going thru the public network.



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Hello List,

We are running Benchmark tests on Solaris 2-Node RAC.
Consistently noticed the following :
- Very high Kernel usage (averaging 45%) on TOP 
- Statspack has "IPC Send Completion sync" waits (70%
Total ela time)
- On trussing top process, found Oracle to be issuing
huge number of "times" system calls in addition to
read/writes(which I think are select/inserts).
Has anyone noticed this in your environment. I am
guessing these to be inter-instance pings, but could
not get any hits in Doc/Metalink to confirm this.
"times" call is clocking lot of CPU. Is this normal ? 
Any pointers would be helpful ? If this is out of
context, is there a separate list for RAC?

Thanks,
Ravi.



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Re: Oracle 9.2 RAC on Win2K?

2003-06-25 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Branimir:

Comments inlined ..


--- Branimir Petrovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need help with clearing up one conceptual issue:
> My understanding is that with Oracle RAC one set of physical database
> files "sitting" in the "middle" - shared storage are being accessed 
> by  multiple Oracle instances running on multiple physical servers
> (nodes). All instances "attacking" (sharing) the very same set of 
> data files at  the same time. Right or wrong?


Not necessarily. You can run RAC in a single machine also. I have few
guys here who run RAC in their windoze laptops. But in general your
understanding is very correct

 
> Provided the answer on the above question happens to be "yes" - I'd
> like   to ask  List Folks how feasible is to assemble and
successfully
> (smoothly?) run 0.5-1 TB database, use Oracle RAC and high 
> performance shared storage  (say SAN) served ("pumped") by a number 
> of Windows 2K servers? 
> 
> The "number" of Win2K servers I have on mind is at least 4 "beefy"
> (as   beefy as it gets in Windows wrld) Win2K "boxes" each running 
> Win2K AS  with lots of RAM and at least 4 CPUs, with perspective of 
> adding more  later. 

Installing and Configuring RAC is as simple as you install Oracle
databases. But the scalability is limited to just 4 nodes in Windows. I
think this limitation is coming from Windows Clusters and NOT from
Oracle. And also for Windows, you can use the OCFS (Oracle Cluster File
System) and no need to create the RAW partitions. ( I think now a days
all platforms have their own CFS (for Linux and windoze oracle gives
the CFS) and no need to use RAW partitions for OPS/RAC).

> It would be nice (for me) to know if new nodes can be added to the 
> cluster at any later time to improve performance (in order to deal 
> with increase in usage or to accomodate growth over period of time). 

The nice thing is , yes you can add new nodes dynamically (depends on
the OS) and the number of nodes is limited by the OS. For example, in
Windoze and Solaris you can only have max 4 nodes. HP-UX, AIX and Linux
clusters supports up to 8 nodes. IBM-SP clusters supports upto 128
nodes and again, as I have said earlier all these limitations come from
the respective OS/Hardware vendors. From Oracle side , there is no
limit for the number of nodes in RAC clusters.

> It would be very nice to know if number of nodes is or is not limited
> (otherwise than by raw I/O capabilities of the shared storage).
> Has anyone seen/run/stumbled over similar beast, if so - does it
> "fly" or it "stinks"? 

I think the mandatory RAW partition requirement only comes with AIX (or
does oracle support GPFS?) and you don't need to worry about RAW
partition limitations. 


> Thanks (for any help, hints, links, etc.),
> 
> Branimir
> 
> P.S.
> 
> I've looked at number of metalink articles and found none yet to 
> "scratch" this specific "itch" of mine. 
> 
> Oracle RAC on Win2K is for some bizarre reason REQUIREMENT.

So I was not the only one in this earth who caught in that trap.. Nice
to know somebody else also caught in that.  We had implemeted RAC on
W2k Advanced Server some time back .. TAF (Select failover) will not
work in W2k and make sure TAF is not the MANDATORY requirement.
Preconnect is an alternate if your customer agrees for that.  



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Re: Migrating 8i OPS to RAC 9.2

2003-06-23 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Mladen:

I am not aware any of the documentations which explains this  cache
fusion to ping pong feature(!).  There are 3 components in the typical
CR prosessing..

Let us assume there is a resource R which is mastered by the instance A
and owned by the instance B on X mode. And also we assume the resource
R is requested by Instance C. In this case the requester enquires the
status of that resource to the master database and got to know that is
owned by instance B.  So now it is Instance B's respoisibility to
constuct the CR and send it to Instnace C.

Here, there is something called light work rule (X$KCLCRST.LIGHT?)
which decides the CR construction and block transfer over interconnect 
(again the CR processing for S to N locks are different based on the
setting of _cr_grant_local parameter) or thru the disk transfer.
 
Basically the current holder of the resource maintains a fairness
counter, which is incremented every time it sends  CR copy over the
interconnect to the requester and there is a threshold  for the number
of CR copies created for that resource. Once the ceiling is hit,
instead of creating the CR copies, the LMD simply downconverts the lock
to NULL and informs the convertion to Intance A.

In simple terms it is like a normal OPS ping. The owner downgrades the
lock and the requester reads from the disk after getting approval from
the lock master. The threshold is controlled by the parameter
_fairness_threshold and IIRC that defaults to 4 or 5. So every 6th (or
5th) CR request will most of the times results in a PING and I have
seen good performance improvements in most of the RAC databases by
changing this parameter.


Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan

(Currently I am in a country (for a week) where I have very limited 
access to the internet , So I may not be able to reply if you have any
more questions And I don't have any oracle database/documentation to
test/verify. So please take the advise with a pinch of salt !)


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Re: Migrating 8i OPS to RAC 9.2

2003-06-23 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi Vivek,

In terms of technical, there is not much difference in normal database
upgrade from 8i to 9i  and OPS to RAC upgrade. You just need to install
the 9i RAC software in the cluster and upgrade the database.

But on the other side, Oracle does not see the OPS to RAC
transformation as a MIGRATION or UPGRADE. They treat them as two
different software components and you need to have a separate licence
for RAC, that means you can not upgrade your OPS licence to RAC
licence.

Other than the installation/upgrade issues, RAC tuning requires deeper
understandings of the cache fusion and the GCS,GES internals. For
example, the cache fusion will not happen after certain number of lock
converts/downgrade-upgrades  and it will use DISK to tranfer the blocks
between instances.

Based on the nautre of the database and the workload, you may want to
incrase or decrease the number of times a block can be trasfered over
the wire and decide after X number of wire transfers, you can force the
disk transfer.

But you can still use the GC_FILES_TO_LOCKS parameters in the RAC
instances if you know your application very well and I have seen the GC
parameters in some of the Oracle TPC benchmarks. 

And the other interesting thing in RAC is the CR copies are created by
the owner, not the requester. But in OPS the CR copy will be created by
the requester and the owner has no responsibility other than just
downgrading the locks (X to NULL). Like this there are so many small
small things are changed in RAC comparing with OPS and some of the
basic OPS concepts are no longer valid in RAC (and RAC Tuning).

Good luck for your RAC Migration and do let us know if you have faced
any of the complexities in the upgrade/migration/or whatever..




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Have a nice day !!

Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan,
Bangalore, INDIA.
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RE: AQ, RAC and delay

2003-06-19 Thread K Gopalakrishnan



Hemant:
 
You 
are right. 7 seconds is the MAX difference,  but the control files are 
synced
every 
3 seconds during the 'split brain' check. So most of the cases, it is 3 
seconds
with 
the maximum of 7 seconds subject to the MCPD settings.
 
KG
 
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delayAlthough MCPD may default to 700centiseconds 
[although I have seen a much lower value on 9.2 on Tru64],in most cases, 
delays of 7seconds don't occur [and shouldn't be acceptable ?!].I do 
have a 9iRAC environment but am comfortably using mcpd=0.And I have AQ in an 
8.1.7 single-instance environment.So I can't make any statements about AQ in 
OPS/RAC !HemantAt 07:05 AM 17-06-03 -0800, you wrote:
A colleague casually mentioned that in RAC, the test to de-queue an AQ 
  set-up from BOTH instances didn't succeed. The side where we were enqueuing 
  was able to see queued messages faster than the 'other' side. About 7-8 
  seconds ... that got me thinking ... is this an effect of MCPD which defaults 
  to like 7 seconds?Do 
  you use AQ in RAC and enqueue/dequeue on both nodes? What is your 
  experience? ps: mcpd - 
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RE: Single Block Read

2003-06-13 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Naveen:

Table Access by INDEX ROWID

Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan




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> -Original Message-
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> Starting from 8i the db file sequential read is always a single block
> read which TYPICALLY happens during index scans..
>
> K Gopalakrishnan

KG,

What are the scenarios other than index scans when a single block read can
happen (>8i as you said) and hence "db file sequential read" be reported?

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RE: Some rollback doubts

2003-06-12 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Rajesh:

I am not sure which document you are referring here. If that documentation
says more than one transaction can not use a rollback segment data block
means, I would say the documentation is incorrect in this case. But this
can not happen concurrently. IT can happen serially.

Each rollback segment's header will have something called free extent pool,
which will link at least 5 undo segment blocks which have more than 400
bytes
of free space. These blocks will be used to store undo information for the
subsequent transactions. This 'free extent pool' will be clearly visible
in the segment header dumps.

You can dump the rollback segment header by using the alter system dump
undo header 'undo_segment_name' command.  However this free extent pool
just keep 5 undo blocks with free space. I hope this answers both of
your questions..


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>From the docs : Many active transactions can write concurrently to a single
rollback segment--even the same extent of a rollback segment; however, each
data block in a rollback segment's extent can contain information for only
a single transaction.

1) Now, when oracle writes to the last extent in the cycle, and sees that
the first extent has an active transaction, it allocates a new extent.
Well, why should it? Cant it write to the first extent?

2) When a new transaction needs to use the rollback segment, and say it
gets allocated to a rollback segment with a few other transactions,  how
does it decide which extent to use from the cycle of extents?

Thanks
Raj

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RE: RAC, fail over and timeout .. Big Question

2003-06-12 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Title: RAC, fail over and timeout .. Big Question



Raj:
 
I am 
afraid, there are not much alternatives you can think of. Even the SELECT fail 
over
will  take around few seconds since it has to attach the 
PGA to the second
instance and run the query from where it is failovered, though you can 
overcome
this 
by enabling pre-connect.
 
Pls 
let me know if you got any nice ideas ;)
 
Best Regards,K Gopalakrishnan
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Hi all, 
here is a (hopefully) tricky one ... 

We have a two node RAC (9202), two 
applications run on either side, no problems there. We have a business critical 
process that runs all the time on node T2. This process needs to have a set 
response time or it affects business. And it is written in VB. Currently we have 
already handled the situations when a node is down (or machine is down) it fails 
over to the other side and continues.
What we need to cater for is when DB is up, 
but sick (i.e. not responding). We need to be able to specify a timeout in the 
queries and when we get no response in the specified time, we need to 
automatically fail over to the other side. 
The queries in the application are optimally 
written, they are sub-second or single digit second queries. So, a query taking 
a long time would be about 10-15 seconds.
While we are fishing for ideas, has anyone 
implemented anything like this? Any ideas? 
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RE: db file sequential read [WAS:wait event puzzler]

2003-06-12 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Mladen:

Prior to 8i (or 8) you see the multiblock sequential reads while doing
the reads from the sort segments or temporary segments. But in 8i sort
IO is done as direct IO and we see some other waits.

Starting from 8i the db file sequential read is always a single block
read which TYPICALLY happens during index scans..

Are you convinced?

Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan


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> Dennis:
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> THe event 'db file sequential read' is NOT always an INDEX Scan. It
> is
> just a single block read which TYPICALLY happens during an INDEX
> scan.
> The word 'TYPICALLY' is the key here.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
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> 
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> Good day all,
> We have a bunch of queries in our data warehouse environment that are
> taking
> a long time to complete.
> I did a select on v$session_wait on one of the queries when it is
> running
> and it shows the wait event to be 'db file sequential read', which
> means it
> is scanning index blocks, correct?  But when I put the p1 p2 p3
> values into
> another query to see which segment it belongs to, it shows me a
> table, not
> an index. How can this be?
> 
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RE: wait event puzzler

2003-06-11 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Dennis:

THe event 'db file sequential read' is NOT always an INDEX Scan. It is
just a single block read which TYPICALLY happens during an INDEX scan.
The word 'TYPICALLY' is the key here.



Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan




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Good day all,
We have a bunch of queries in our data warehouse environment that are taking
a long time to complete.
I did a select on v$session_wait on one of the queries when it is running
and it shows the wait event to be 'db file sequential read', which means it
is scanning index blocks, correct?  But when I put the p1 p2 p3 values into
another query to see which segment it belongs to, it shows me a table, not
an index. How can this be?

TIA
Dennis



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RE: selectivity of predicates with LIKE - diff between 8i and 9i

2003-06-11 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
By any chance are you using CURSOR_SHARING parameter in your 8i version?
I think the default selectivity of 5% is used while costing the like
operator and with the binds (and with an underscore parameter which
I think defaults TRUE) it is treated as equality .

If not you can set the underscore parameter
_like_with_bind_as_equality to get the index costing.

KG

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Dear List,

Is there any difference between 8i and 9i in how
selectivity of the predicates with LIKE are estimated
by CBO?
We are migrating some apps running on 8.1.7.4 on HP-UX
11.0 into 9.2.0.3 on the same box and some queries
choose completely different execution plans - HJ with
FTS vs original NL with IRS.
After simplifying the real query to a primitive
one-liner it looks like predicates with LIKE are
estimated differently in 9i:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> @target

  COUNT(1)
--
   291

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> l
  1*  select  count(1) from DIS_TAB_ALBUM_TITRE ALT
where ALT.ait_ds_titre LIKE 'LOVE%'

-- 8i:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> @explain8

  Id  ParCSTCDN Plan
  -- --

-
   0   3  1   SELECT STATEMENT
(choose) Cost (3,1,20)
   10 1 SORT
(aggregate)
   21  3  2   INDEX (analyzed)
NON-UNIQUE OPS$DEVDIS0 DIS_IND_ALBUM_TITRE_1 (range
scan)  Cost (3,2,40)

-- 9i:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> @explain8

  Id  ParCSTCDN Plan
  -- --

---
   0  39  1   SELECT STATEMENT
(choose) Cost (39,1,19)
   10 1 SORT
(aggregate)
   21 39   8415   INDEX (analyzed)
NON-UNIQUE OPS$DEVDIS0 DIS_IND_ALBUM_TITRE_1 (range
scan) (Columns 1  Cost (39,8415,159885)


-- 8i:
  Access path: index (index-only)
  INDEX#: 307169  TABLE: DIS_TAB_ALBUM_TITRE
(obj_id=307169 -> DIS_IND_ALBUM_TITRE_1)
  CST: 3  IXSEL:  6.2017e-06  TBSEL:  6.2017e-06
...
  BEST_CST: 3.00  PATH: 4  Degree:  1


-- 9i:
  Access path: index (index-only)
  Index: DIS_IND_ALBUM_TITRE_1
  TABLE: DIS_TAB_ALBUM_TITRE
  RSC_CPU: 0   RSC_IO: 39
  IX_SEL:  3.4877e-02  TB_SEL:  3.4877e-02
...
  BEST_CST: 39.00  PATH: 4  Degree:  1




In 8i assuming a filter factor to be simply 1/NDV, CST
is understandably equals to 3 (given the data below):

  INDEX#: 307169  COL#: 3
TOTAL ::  LVLS: 2   #LB: 1035  #DK: 161254  LB/K:
1  DB/K: 1  CLUF: 204303

Column: AIT_DS_TIT  Col#: 3  Table:
DIS_TAB_ALBUM_TITRE   Alias: ALT
NDV: 161254NULLS: 0 DENS: 6.2014e-06
  TABLE: DIS_TAB_ALBUM_TITRE ORIG CDN: 241286
CMPTD CDN: 2


IRS CST= blevel+ff*lb+ff*cf=2 + 6.2*10^-6 * (1035 +
204303) ~ 3.3 -> 3


But in 9i CBO probably uses something else as a FF for
this predicate with LIKE, since CST becomes 39:

  INDEX NAME: DIS_IND_ALBUM_TITRE_1  COL#: 3
TOTAL ::  LVLS: 2   #LB: 1035  #DK: 161254  LB/K:
1  DB/K: 1  CLUF: 204338

Column: AIT_DS_TIT  Col#: 3  Table:
DIS_TAB_ALBUM_TITRE   Alias: ALT
NDV: 157906NULLS: 0 DENS: 6.3329e-06
NO HISTOGRAM: #BKT: 1 #VAL: 2
  TABLE: DIS_TAB_ALBUM_TITRE ORIG CDN: 241286
ROUNDED CDN: 8415  CMPTD CDN: 8415

IRS CST= ??? = 39

Questions:
1) Does anybody know what CBO uses for a FF
calcualation for predicates with LIKE in 9i? How does
it get 39?
2) Is there a simple way to get it "back on track" to
CST=2 without hints or stored outlines - some spfile
parameter would be ideal?
3) Both computed cardinalities seem to be way off (2
in 8i, 8415 in 9i - while the real number of rows
returned is 291).
   Would histograms be the right way to get CMPTD CDN
closer to the reality in this case?


Not sure if it's important, but we are using automatic
PGA management here (worksize_policy_area is TRUE,
pga_aggreagate_target is a 100M)

Thanks for any help,
Boris Dali.


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RE: Rule Based Optimizer

2003-06-11 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Not true. IIRC the first Oracle version with dual optimizer mode
was 7.1.x. 

Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan

 


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CBO was what I learned on in late version of 5.x and 6.0.  It was what
Oracle taught developers back then - with the chart showing the precedence
of how indexes were selected for a spcific query.  And how the order of the
tables in the FROM clause was *very* important in telling the CBO how to
operate.  Of course, that was when the developers had to know everything
about the data within all the tables to get things to work right.

Tom Mercadante
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 I remember CBO in 7.1.6 on AIX...

RF

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I first saw the CBO in 1994 if IIRC.

Seems to me it was introduced in 7.2.

I'm sure Mogens knows for sure.  :)

Jared






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CBO
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> true!
> Oracle should just quit cold turkey and not support the RULE optimizer
> at
> all in any future releases.
>
> RWB
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RE: Rule Based Optimizer

2003-06-10 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi RWB:

Check the Note 189702.1 in Metalink. Its official
from Oracle. ;)

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Mr. Gopalakrishnan:

How do you know this? Can anyone confirm (or deny) this?  I hope it is
true!
Oracle should just quit cold turkey and not support the RULE optimizer at
all in any future releases.

RWB



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RE: Rule Based Optimizer

2003-06-10 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
RULE optimizer will not be supported in next version.
But you can still use the RULE optimizer and it is
just a matter of official support from Oracle.

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Re: HP-Sun Cross Platform Migration - Exp/Imp, CTAS over dblink or ..

2003-06-07 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Sashidar:


In THEORY HP datafiles and Sun data files are compaible. That is you
can just move the HP data files to the Sun server and recreate the data
files. Both data files are in same endianness and they are cross
platform compatible.

There is no tool to convert a datafile from one OS format to another OS
format. Some time back, some one (Guess who??) tried developing a tool
and the idea was dropped since Oracle started addressing this issue as
a standard feature inside the RDBMS product. So there is no third party
tool available in the market to do that conversion and I don't expect
any new tools to do that.

Having said that, that above said method is NOT officially supported by
Oracle in current versions. You have to wait for some more time to get
that officially supported by Oracle (clue!!)

If you have a faster interconnect CTAS will be much faster than export
import method, I remember seeing some comparitive numbers in Metalink..
Have you checked that?




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RE: RMAN Catalog: 1 vs. many - Opinions

2003-04-04 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Gaja:

Having dedicated RMAN server is indeed  a good idea,
but RMAN catalog is not designed for that much (!!?)
high concurrency. If you look at the commands (executed
by the RMAN during backup) very closely, you will see
lots of SELECT for UPDATE and this will cause a big
bottleneck in the backup process.

It happened at one of our client place where they backup
200+ databases with  a single RMAN catalog at 2-3 hrs 
interval.  The workaround suggested was 
a) Have more RMAN Catalogs
b) Run the backup in different times.

So again it 'all depends '

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Paul et al.,

I agree with Paul's setup of a dedicated RMAN catalog
server. It is not a bad idea to have the datafiles for
this database on mirrored volumes. I also think a good
practice related to "saving the catalog" against tape
media errors is to do a full export on the RMAN
Catalog DB and stash the export dumpfile away on a
mirrored volume away from the datafiles. 

If this DB has nothing but the RMAN catalog, it should
not be very large (let me know if this is otherwise)
and thus the full export will be a good method to have
a "logical backup". One more thing to save the skin on
your back, at a time of need. When Murphy is around I
think the word "mercy" vanishes from the English
dictionary.


Cheers,

Gaja

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RE: Which process is taking up so much CPU???

2003-03-28 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
ALTER SYSTEM SET TIMED_STATISTICS=TRUE;

You don't need to bounce the database ;)

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Fermin
   Add this line to your init.ora file.
timed_statistics = true
   Then shutdown, startup your Oracle instance.

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Thank you all for your help.

I wonder where I should set TIMED STATISTICS = TRUE, if any of you
has the time to answer I'd be grateful, but I will look for it in the docs.

Fermin.

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Fermin
   The spid column in the v$process column matches the Unix process i.d. You
may need to track it back through the Oracle shadow process.

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I usually track our HP-UX 11.0 system with the 'top' command so I
can notice when the system is under slow performance. If that happens, I use
Toad to look for any active Oracle SQL query which may be heavy enough for
degrading the performance.

I think my question is simple, but since I am a newbie on this...
how can I see who is executing an Oracle SQL that is taking all our CPU
provided that I only see his PID with the TOP command? I only see the oracle
process, but I don't know how to get the username and the SQL beside him.

Thank you for your answers!

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RE: max_commit_propagation_delay

2003-03-26 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Rajesh:

Basically the parameter controls the method used for
SCN propagation. THere are many ways of propagating SCNs
in OPS/RAC. If you set that to default one 'lamport'
scheme is used. Otherwise the 'broadcast on commit' method
is used. I am not sure why Oracle support asked you
to leave that to default.. 

I am sending one of my draft note offline. I guess that will
help you in understanding the internals of SCN.



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OPS 8.0.6.3 on Sun Nodes. We have this currently set to 0, and Oracle has
recommended that we leave it at the default of 700, while making a general
recommendation to improve the performance of this database. But from what I
have gathered so far from Metalink, this would not suit us, since,
transactions would immediately need to see the data on the other node. Is
my assumption correct? Can someone throw more light on this parameter? Any
good links? Strangely, I did not find any reference at www.ixora.com.au,
though that site has never dissappointed me.

Thanks
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RE: db file scattered read

2003-03-17 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Mladen,

I guess the rdbms kernel will be passing the startblock-stop block
addresses and will be passing to the readv (or pread?) system calls.
A single multiblock read can not read two different sets (!) of 
contiguos blocks.. Or I am thinking in the different direction??




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How can you tell that DB_FILE_MULTIBLOCK_READ will not span extents?
I was unable to confitrm that on Metalink.

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> If 14706+3 is one extent and another extent begins at 14710, 
> it will NOT read
> 14706+8.  A DB_FILE_MULTIBLOCK_READ will not span extents.
> Hemant
> 
> At 09:04 AM 14-03-03 -0800, you wrote:
> >Here is a part of trace file . I am finding that oracle is 
> trying to read 
> >8 or 3 or 7 blocks at a time . But block numbers are all 
> sequential i.e. 
> >it will read 3 blocks starting from 14706 and then 8 blocks 
> starting from 
> >14710 ( 14706+3 ). Why it doesn't read 8 blcoks always it 
> multi_block_read 
> >is set to 8 ? Any Idea .
> >Also what is ela=1 ,does it mean elapsed time is 1 sentisec ?
> >
> >
> >
> >WAIT #32: nam='db file scattered read' ela= 0 p1=4 p2=14706 p3=3
> >WAIT #32: nam='db file scattered read' ela= 1 p1=4 p2=14710 p3=8
> >WAIT #32: nam='db file scattered read' ela= 2 p1=4 p2=14718 p3=8
> >WAIT #32: nam='db file scattered read' ela= 0 p1=4 p2=14727 p3=3
> >WAIT #32: nam='db file scattered read' ela= 0 p1=4 p2=14731 p3=7
> >WAIT #32: nam='db file scattered read' ela= 1 p1=4 p2=14739 p3=3
> >WAIT #32: nam='db file scattered read' ela= 1 p1=4 p2=14744 p3=8
> >WAIT #32: nam='db file scattered read' ela= 1 p1=4 p2=129784 p3=8
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RE: log buffer space

2003-03-17 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Jonathan:

I have just sent a mail which has the test statistics.
I would appreciate your comments on that..

Alternatively, people who are curious may want to
test the log writer writing habits using the
event 10046^8.

KG


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I've just tried a different test, along the following
lines, which seems to confirm that LGWR is
triggered when the buffer is about 1/3 full.

Set log_buffer to an easy number such as 600K.

Create table with one column of a nice large size,
e.g.  varchar2(1000);

Take snapshot of redo size, redo writes, redo wastage
figures from v$sysstat.

Insert N rows into table.


Taks snapshot and find changes.

Vary the number of rows inserted until
M rows does not result in a redo write
M+1 rows results in a redo write.

Check the redo size for M and M+1 rows.

Under both 8.1.7.4 and 9.2.0.2, I found that
log writer seemed to be consistently triggered
at a couple of KB below 1/3 of the log_buffer.

(One oddity that caused me a little hassle with
9.2 at first was that I set the log buffer to 512K,
but the actual log buffer size (per v$sga) was
actually closer to 640K, so the trigger occurred
at 212K when I was expecting it to be 170K.



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> Arup:
>
> Sorry for the delay ;-)
>
>
> I have not seen this is documented anywhere, other than
> 'Oracle Performance Tuning' OReilly Peter & Mark Gurry
> (page 304) where he claims the log writer writes when
> it is 2/3 full... Here is the Original Text.
>
> 
> Log Buffer
>
> The log buffer contains the information showing the changes that
have
> been made to database buffer blocks. When the log buffer reaches
> one-third full (two-thirds full in Oracle 7.3), a user performs a
commit,
> or a write takes place to the database,..
>
> 
>
> I don't have any Oracle 7.3 database, (for that matter no database
> now as I composing this in Zurich  Airport waiting for a connecting
> flight to Bombay..), So I may not be able to test that. But last
time
> I verified was on an Oracle 8.1 database where the log file writes
> used to be in the order up to 2/3 full.
>
> You can do a simple test to prove this point. You can use oradebug
> to trace the log writer process and do a CTAS of any big table
> (with a big log buffer) and you will be able to see the writes
> and number of blocks written in a single write.
>
> I am surprised , this is not documented anywhere in the Oracle
> Documentation or any of the Oracle University course notes.
>
>
> Best Regards,
> K Gopalakrishnan
>
>


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RE: log buffer space

2003-03-16 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Arup:

Sorry for the delay ;-)


I have not seen this is documented anywhere, other than
'Oracle Performance Tuning' OReilly Peter & Mark Gurry
(page 304) where he claims the log writer writes when
it is 2/3 full... Here is the Original Text.


Log Buffer

The log buffer contains the information showing the changes that have
been made to database buffer blocks. When the log buffer reaches
one-third full (two-thirds full in Oracle 7.3), a user performs a commit,
or a write takes place to the database,..



I don't have any Oracle 7.3 database, (for that matter no database
now as I composing this in Zurich  Airport waiting for a connecting
flight to Bombay..), So I may not be able to test that. But last time
I verified was on an Oracle 8.1 database where the log file writes
used to be in the order up to 2/3 full.

You can do a simple test to prove this point. You can use oradebug
to trace the log writer process and do a CTAS of any big table
(with a big log buffer) and you will be able to see the writes
and number of blocks written in a single write.

I am surprised , this is not documented anywhere in the Oracle
Documentation or any of the Oracle University course notes.


Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan




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Dennis,

The 1MB condition was in 8i as well, at least in 8.1.7, as I mentioned in my
original post.

I was always under impresssion that the flush is triggered by the buffer
being 1/3rd full; but KG mentioned it was 2/3rd, not 1/3rd and I was
wondering where he got that information from and if it's documented. It
true, that will certainly invalidate most of the what the fine manuals and
Oracle Support analysts have said.

Any ideas, anybody?

Arup

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> Add one more condition:
>New in Oracle 9i, it will write when 1 meg is reached, so the 1/3
> criteria is never reached if you use a big buffer.
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
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>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:59 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> KG,
>
> Thanks for the response. Just for my curiosity, is it documented somewhere
> that the log buffer if flushed when 2/3rd full? From the Manual
> /server.920/a96524/c09procs.htm#3158 (please check the URL in OTN, the
first
> part is not complete), here is an excerpt
>
> 
> LGWR writes one contiguous portion of the buffer to disk. LGWR writes:
>   a.. A commit record when a user process commits a transaction
>   b.. Redo log buffers
> a.. Every three seconds
> b.. When the redo log buffer is one-third full
> c.. When a DBWn process writes modified buffers to disk, if necessary
>
> 
>
> At least this was the behavior I tested in 8.1.7; although I have not
tested
> in 9i. This has also been stated by several Oracle Support Analysts.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Arup Nanda
>
> - Original Message -
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 7:32 AM
>
>
> > Arup:
> >
> > 
> > The second condition is not quite true. It is 2/3 full in the current
> > versions.
> > 
> >
> > It is very easy to test with the event 10046^8.
> >
> > KG
> >
> >
> > --- Arup Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > AK,
> > >
> > > If the log buffer is at least 4MB, then increasing it will not help,
> > > rather it may hurt. The log buffer is flushed when any of the the
> > > follwoing occur
> > > (i) 1 MB is filled up
> > > (2) 1/3rd is filled up
> > > (3) every 3 seconds
> > > (4) when a checkpoint occurs
> > > (5) when a commit occurs.
> > >
> > > Therefore, see if any of these could be the problem. It's easy to
> > > check #s 4 and 3.
> > >
> > > As Kirti suggested, the problem could be due to the redo logs being
> > > on a busy disk, or even a slow one.
> > >
> > > HTH.
> > >
> > > Arup
> > >   - Original Message -
> > >   From: Deshpande, Kirti
> > >   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >   Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:13 PM
> > >   Subject: RE: log buffer space
> > >
> > >
> > >   Increasing log_buffer size is an option, if it is really small.
> > >   I would also check if the redo logs are on a busy disk. If so, try
> > > moving those (or oth

Re: log buffer space

2003-03-14 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Arup:


The second condition is not quite true. It is 2/3 full in the current
versions. 


It is very easy to test with the event 10046^8. 

KG


--- Arup Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> AK,
> 
> If the log buffer is at least 4MB, then increasing it will not help,
> rather it may hurt. The log buffer is flushed when any of the the
> follwoing occur
> (i) 1 MB is filled up
> (2) 1/3rd is filled up
> (3) every 3 seconds
> (4) when a checkpoint occurs
> (5) when a commit occurs.
> 
> Therefore, see if any of these could be the problem. It's easy to
> check #s 4 and 3. 
> 
> As Kirti suggested, the problem could be due to the redo logs being
> on a busy disk, or even a slow one.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Arup
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Deshpande, Kirti 
>   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
>   Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:13 PM
>   Subject: RE: log buffer space
> 
> 
>   Increasing log_buffer size is an option, if it is really small. 
>   I would also check if the redo logs are on a busy disk. If so, try
> moving those (or other busy data files on the same disk) to other
> not-so-busy disks. 
> 
>   - Kirti 


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Re: fgac tracing

2003-03-13 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Murali:

It is event 10730. You can set that at session level.





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Re: Oracle Tools

2003-03-05 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Sulatan,

Have a look at xb.com. There is something called PocketDBA. 



KG

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> 
> Is there any Oracle tools available to use it in Handheld
> Computers.(like PDA or IPAQ)
> 
> Thks in advance
> 
> 


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Re: 9iR2 Oracle SGA Memory

2003-02-26 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Robert:

There is no single LRU (if you want to call LRU lists) in Oracle9i.
There are 7-8 replacement lists in 9i and they  are  like LRU, LRUW,
CKPT Q lists (like thread checkpoint, file checkpoint and recovery
checkpoint lists), LRU list for OPS/RAC ping blocks, and some other
lists.

And also each list will internally have 2 lists (MAIX and AUX). THe
dirty, replaceable buffers will be linked to the AUX lists and DBWR
will start writing from the AUX lists when the MAIN lists are in normal
operation.

With these numerours lists there are some priorities assigned to each
of the lists during writes and buffers from LRU Ping lists will have
the highest write priority and normal aging buffers will have the
lowest priority.

So coming back to your original question, The LRU list is still there,
but at a little bit more detailed level.

KG




--- Freeman Robert - IL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok... with the changes to the "touch point" memory management
> methodology in
> 9i, I found myself wondering, Does Oracle still scan the equivalent
> of the
> LRU list to find free blocks,
> and if so is it still called the LRU list, or has the name of this
> list been
> changed along with the architecture changes or has the architecture
> for
> assigning free memory changed completely? Anyone want to share some
> knowledge?
> 
> RF
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Re: corrupted block

2003-02-24 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi,

If you can afford to forget the data in the corrupted block you can use
the event 10231 to skip the corrupted block during table scan. Set the
event and you can do a CTAS with a new table name and then you can
rename that as original table after dropping the original table.

Here is the syntax:

alter session set events '10231 trace name context forever, level 10'

If you want to see the contents of that skipped blocks, you can use the
event 10232 which dumps the contents of that blocks to the trace files.
And if you are comfortable in reading block dumps, you can write a
simple INSERT statement to put those rows in to the new table.


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RE: RE: Top 10 DBA Do's and Don'ts anyone - Here is my list, comments

2003-02-24 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
MccDBA:

It is just Robert's Don't list ;) but you can always give your opinion 
abt that. Would you mind telling us 'Why you don't agree on them?'


KG

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> 
> I don't agree with "don't" #1 and #5.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:23:37 -0800
> >
> > >Here is the list of top 10 do's and don't that I
> > >came up with.
> > >
> > >#1 - Do Maintain your Expertise
> > >#2 - Do Use the DBMS_STATS Package to Collect
> > >Statistics
> > >#3 - Do Use Bind Variables
> > >#4 - Do Put your Production Database in ARCHIVELOG
> > >Mode
> > >#5 - Do Use Locally Managed Tablespaces
> > >#6 - Do Monitor Your Database
> > >#7 - Do Practice Recoveries
> > >#8 - Do Get Involved with User Groups and Other
> > >Resources
> > >#9 - Do Establish Standards and Change Control
> > >Processes
> > >#10 - Do Think Ahead
> > >
> > >Bonus! - Do tune to Reduce Logical IO's Not
> > >Physical IO's.
> > >(With regards to Cary!)
> > >
> > >Oracle Database Top 10 Don'ts
> > >#1 - Don't Waste Time Re-Organizing Your Databases
> > >#2 - Don't Use .Log or Other Common Extensions For
> > >Your Database File Names
> > >#3 - Don't Leave Your Database Open To Attack
> > >#4 - Don't Decide Against Hot Backups
> > >#5 - Don't Use ASSM
> > >#6 - Don't Forget the 80/20 Rule
> > >#7 - Don't Stack Views
> > >#8 - Don't Be a Normalization Bigot
> > >#9 - Don't Forget to Document Everything
> > >#10 - Do Not Use Products You are Not Licensed For.
> > >
> > >
> > >Bonus!! - Do Not Assume A Good or Bad Hit Ratio
> > >Means Anything
> > >
> > >Ok, anyone wanna comment?
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >Robert,
> >
> >   DO #3 and DON'T #7 are developer stuff, not DBA stuff ...
> >I would gladly replace DO #3 by 'Relentlessly preach good practice
> to 
> >developers'. I can hardly talk to a developer without mentioning 
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Re: File Table Overflow on Oracle DB Server

2003-02-24 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Vivek:

I remember you getting the same problem some time back. I guess you
need to increase the nfiles kernel paramter (it defaults to
maxuser*constant or something similar to that)

Just bump the max users or change the nfile parameter.

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Re: Oh Where Oh Where Is My Redo Coming From

2003-02-21 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi,

The simpler approach is to check the user level redo (or session level
redo) using the v$sysstat,sesstat views and you can find the programmes
associated with those huge (!) redo.

Dumping the redologs and analyzing is just complex when you have a
simple solution ;)




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Re: RAC recomended books

2003-02-20 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Vladimir:

I have not seen any GOOD book for RAC (for that matter even OPS). But
the Oracle documentation is very good at least in that front. There are
some other books coming (or already published???) for RAC, check
amazon.com for the details.



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RE: Automatic Segment Space Management

2003-02-20 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Kirti:

There are some (or more) errors in my previous post. The process can
not find the partly filled/free blocks until it scans the L1 bitmaps  
(I said L2 bitmap in the previous post as I was in half-sleep while
composting the message)  and the L2 bitmaps just point the scanning
process to the respective L1 bitmaps.

And the other overhead in ASSM is, there are chances you will waste
around 1-5% (depending on the block size,etc) blocks for just keeping
the meta data and this could be a overhead along with the space waster
in between the Low HWN and high HWM.

Best Regards
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> Kirti:
> 
> I have not complely following this thread. But I am sure it is worth
> mentioning even if someone already mentioned also. In ASSM there
> would
> be two highwatermarks called low high water mark and high high water
> mark.
> 
> The high high water mark is the actual high water mark (like in the
> Freelist Managed Segments) and the low high water mark is the new one
> which is introduced in ASSM. i.e till low HWM all blocks are
> completely
> used and from LHWM to HWHM there could be some blocks unused. During
> sequential scan it has to read till HHWM (i.e it should scan empty
> block also).
> 
> But I think by scanning the L2 bitmaps the process can find the
> unused
> blocks and skip that during sequential scanning, though I have not
> tested it thoroughly.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> K Gopalakrishnan
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- "Deshpande, Kirti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In a very limited tests that I performed with ASSM (quite some time
> > ago), I found that it tends to use a bit more space than non-ASSM.
> > Something to keep in mind when FTS is used to access tables. 
> > Not sure if this changed in 9.2.0.2.x. 
> > 
> > - Kirti 
> > 
> 
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RE: Automatic Segment Space Management

2003-02-20 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
tes, only the kernel's ITL management prowess, not the case you're
> interested in.
> 
> I'll step back timidly now, in anticipation of what dog trainers call
> a
> "firm correction." :)
> 
> 
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> 
> Gee, John, I was not aware of this underscore parameter. In my 9.2
> database
> it's 6, just as yours.
> 
> I did my test using upto three concurrent tranactions; guess I'll
> need
> to
> test with 7 or more. However, even if 7 concurrent transactions
> update
> the
> block's rows, and the limit is 6, then the waits should be based in
> ITL
> (Interested Trasnaction List) Waits, not BBW. since this is not due
> to a
> session not being able to get a particular buffer to the SGA, rather
> the
> lack of resources to get the CR copy of a buffer.
> 
> Has anyone done this test? I'll certainly take it up later to build
> up
> on my
> upcoming article on ITL Waits.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Arup
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> > Arup,
> >
> > Just picking up the thread on the BBWs. (Btw, I asked this question
> in
> this
> > list - never got an answer!) The following undocumented parameter
> limits
> the
> > numbe of CR copies in the Block buffers.
> >
> > Name  Value
> > -
> 
> --
> > Description
> >
>
----
> --
> --
> > ---
> > _db_block_max_cr_dba  6
> > Maximum Allowed Number of CR buffers per dba
> >
> > What if there are more than 6 concurrent update requests for the
> same
> block.
> > Would that not result in BBW?
> >
> > John Kanagaraj
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> > DBSoft Inc
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> > Disappointment is inevitable, but Discouragement is optional!
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RE: Automatic Segment Space Management

2003-02-20 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Kirti:

I have not complely following this thread. But I am sure it is worth
mentioning even if someone already mentioned also. In ASSM there would
be two highwatermarks called low high water mark and high high water
mark.

The high high water mark is the actual high water mark (like in the
Freelist Managed Segments) and the low high water mark is the new one
which is introduced in ASSM. i.e till low HWM all blocks are completely
used and from LHWM to HWHM there could be some blocks unused. During
sequential scan it has to read till HHWM (i.e it should scan empty
block also).

But I think by scanning the L2 bitmaps the process can find the unused
blocks and skip that during sequential scanning, though I have not
tested it thoroughly.


Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan
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--- "Deshpande, Kirti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a very limited tests that I performed with ASSM (quite some time
> ago), I found that it tends to use a bit more space than non-ASSM.
> Something to keep in mind when FTS is used to access tables. 
> Not sure if this changed in 9.2.0.2.x. 
> 
> - Kirti 
> 

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RE: Deep OPS tuning info

2003-02-13 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Rui,

It is very difficult to identify the problem by just looking
the contention for "dlm resource hash list". What are the
current values of lm_% parameters.

Basically that latch protects the resources in LM resource
structures in the lock manager resource table. And I would
compare the values from the V$resource_limit to the lm_%
parameters to get an idea about the resource utilization.

BTW Do you see "Dynamic resources/locks allocated" message
in the alert logs?



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Hi all:
I'm tuning an OPS env. and the things are getting quite deep, DLM latch
issues and so on (e.g. lots of waits on "dlm resource hash list"). So I was
wondering if any of you know of any site or doc. which could help me on this
(OPS tuning specific and very deep information).
Of course the first steps in the process was to submit the statspack report
to oraperf and so on   , but right now we are dealing with some issues
that surpass the obvious things. So if any you could provide any tip or site
to look for a tip I´ll be very glad.

thanks in advance

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RE: 10046 trace - weird library misses

2003-02-13 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi,

It is just telling that you are doing HARD PARSE.
Hard Parse is indicated in the trace file as
'misses in library cache';




Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan




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Dear friends,

I traced one of our test cases and found something weird.

Did anybody else observe this?

Env:
server - 9.0.1.4, Solaris.
client - weblogic 7, uses original oracle thin 9.0.1 jdbc driver to connect.
 In fact, I can reproduce all this from SQLPlus

Here is an excerpt from tkprof below - why every parse is a hard parse?
Looks like the problem doesn't appear when 10046 is not set, and it appers
ONLY on pl/sql blocks returning data to client, normal selects OK. Looks
like bug again. Any workaround?

And what are these "Misses in library cache during execute"?

9.2.0.2 on Linux works fine, i.e. no misses once it has been parsed.

   BEGIN :1 := FN_GET_STATUS_ID(:2,:3); END;


   call count   cpuelapsed   disk  querycurrent
rows
   --- --   -- -- -- --
--
   Parse   40  0.07   0.08  0  0  0
0
   Execute 80  0.62   1.55 64   1492  0
80
   Fetch0  0.00   0.00  0  0  0
0
   --- --   -- -- -- --
--
   total  120  0.69   1.63 64   1492  0
80

   Misses in library cache during parse: 40
   Misses in library cache during execute: 40
   Optimizer goal: CHOOSE
   Parsing user id: 40

This select

   select LOADED_VERSIONS, EXECUTIONS, LOADS,PARSE_CALLS, parsing_user_id
   from v$sql
   where sql_text like 'BEGIN :1 := FN_GET_STATUS_ID(:2,:3); END;';

gives out whole bunch of these record groups

   LOADED_VERSIONS EXECUTIONS  LOADS PARSE_CALLS PARSING_USER_ID
   --- -- -- --- ---
  1  1  1   1  40
  1  1  1   0  40
    repeated N times

Thank you for you time

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RE: How to dump UGA ??

2003-02-05 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Jonathan:

How about calling the DBMS_SYSTEM.READ_EV procedure?
I think this is simpler than going to the UGA dumps..

THe restriction with DBMS_SYSTEM is, you can not get 
the event settings of the other sessions. But Dumps
can.



Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan

 


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If you want to see if tracing is on:

alter session set events 'immediate trace name events level 1';

(level 2 for process level events, level 4 for system).

You can obviously use the oradebug equivalent, or
the dbms_support package to fire this at another
session.

However - if you can read the session's trace file
to find out the result of this command, then you will
be able to see from the content of the trace file that
it is (or isn't) tracing anyway.


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>Thanks Jonathan,
>
>I was trying to find where (and how) does it show that sql trace (or
event
>10046) is enabled in the session. Any pointers??
>
>TIA
>Raj
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>
>If you use oradebug you can do:
>oradebug dump heapdump 4
>or
>oradebug dump heapdump 4100
>
>These options dump the UGA heap.  The first is structure only, the
second
>includes content and could get quite large.
>
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RE: index hint ignored?

2003-01-31 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Title: Message



Hi,
 
THe 
syntax is incorrect. Incorrect HINTs are treated as 
comments.
replace the comma with blank space and your hint will 
work
as 
expected.
 
Best Regards,K Gopalakrishnan

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  GeraldSent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:31 AMTo: 
  Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: index hint 
  ignored?
  Hi 
  there.
   
  I have a 
  non-unique index on a table, and I'm trying to force Oracle to use the 
  index - but it always does a FTS. Why? (I've tried it with and 
  without the alias)
   
   
  SQL> 
  set autotrace traceonlySQL> SELECT /*+ INDEX(A,vehicle_veh_year_indx) 
  */ DISTINCT veh_year  2  FROM TIREADVISOR.vehicle A  
  3  ORDER BY veh_year DESC;
   
  20 rows 
  selected.
   
  Execution 
  Plan--   
  0  SELECT STATEMENT Optimizer=CHOOSE (Cost=118 
  Card=20 Bytes=80)
     1    
  0   SORT (ORDER BY) (Cost=118 Card=20 Bytes=80)   
  2    1 SORT (UNIQUE) (Cost=67 Card=20 
  Bytes=80)   3    
  2   TABLE ACCESS (FULL) OF 'VEHICLE' 
  (Cost=16 Card=19607 Bytes=78428)
   
   
  ===
   
   
  select TABLE_NAME, INDEX_NAME, 
  COLUMN_NAME, COLUMN_POSITIONfrom dba_ind_columnswhere INDEX_OWNER = 
  'TIREADVISOR'and TABLE_NAME = ('VEHICLE') order by 
  1,2,4,3TABLE_NAME 
  INDEX_NAME-- 
  --COLUMN_NAME  
  COLUMN_POSITION 
  ---VEHICLE    
  VEHICLE_PKVEH_ID 
  1
   
  VEHICLE    
  VEHICLE_VEH_YEAR_INDXVEH_YEAR   
  1
   
   
   
  Thanks for any 
  help!
   
  - 
  Jerry


RE: Global Stats

2003-01-29 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Hi Kirti:

THe algorithm is slightly differnt in 9i. In 8i SMON queries the
dictionary (dba_tab_modifications) in once in 3 hours to get the stale
stats, and then the stats are flushed to the dictionary from the SGA
and the dictionary is updated . The operation is reverse in 9i. THe
stats are written to dictionary from SGA once in 15 minutes and then
the tables are examined to get the stale stats.

Metalink note 102334.1 has some details..

Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan
Bangalore, INDIA


--- "Deshpande, Kirti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gopal,
> 
> I should have waited a bit longer..
> It was about 12 minutes, when I replied...
> 
> Okay, I will test it out tomorrow.. 
> It's getting late :(
> 
> Now, go eat your lunch.. it's about lunch time for you... :) 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> - Kirti 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: K Gopalakrishnan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wed 1/29/2003 10:58 PM
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> Subject:      RE: Global Stats
> 
> Kirti:
> 
> Sorry for the typo. It is 15 minutes. 
> 
> 
> --- K Gopalakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Kirti:
> > 
> > I think the interval is changed to 5 minutes from
> > 3 hours starting from 9i (rel2?).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > K Gopalakrishnan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 

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RE: Global Stats

2003-01-29 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Kirti:

Sorry for the typo. It is 15 minutes. 


--- K Gopalakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kirti:
> 
> I think the interval is changed to 5 minutes from
> 3 hours starting from 9i (rel2?).
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> K Gopalakrishnan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> Kirti
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:19 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Lisa,
>  Monitoring, by itself, does not fire any automatic analyze. It
> simply
> montiors the DML activity on the monitored table and counts
> inserts/deletes/upates. Those counts may not be 100% accurate, but
> are very
> close. These can be viewed in dba_tab_modifications, and are dumped
> there by
> SMON every 3 hours or so (in 9i there is a new procedure,
> flush_database_monitoring_info, to flush these counts to this view on
> demand). These counts do not affect the ones maintained in *_tables
> views.
> 
> Monitoring is basically there to help identify which tables may need
> statistics computed again. 'Gather stale' option will only analyze
> tables
> that have undergone DML activity (inserts/deletes/updates) that
> amounts to
> more than 10% of the number of rows (from previous analyze) in the
> table.
> And 'gather auto' option 'figures' out what tables to analyze, but
> you must
> execute dbms_stats. So, there is nothing automatic in gathering table
> stats.
> 
> You can test it yourself. remember there is a last_analyzed
> column ;)
> 
> HTH,
> 
> - Kirti
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wed 1/29/2003 9:09 AM
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> Cc:
> Subject:  RE: Global Stats
> 
> Hi Jared,
> 
> Actually I think monitoring won't work in my case.  Data loads fire
> throughout the day and the docs say that in 8i, analyze can fire
> based upon
> table monitoring sometime within 3 hours after data changes.  I would
> rather
> include a manual fire of analyze in my data load and avoid any
> locking
> issues or contention for resources.
> 
> In addition, if temp space is blown during "auto-analyze" (fired
> based upon
> monitoring), would I know about it?
> 
> Just my thoughts.  Am I wrong?
> 
> Lisa
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> 
> 
> You may want to read up on table monitoring.
> 
> Jared
> 
> On Tuesday 28 January 2003 11:10, Koivu, Lisa wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Back to the lovely world of Oracle :) I've been reading up on
> statistics.
> > Out of the 8.1.7 doco:
> > /*
> > Partitioned schema objects may contain multiple sets of statistics.
> They
> > can have statistics which refer to the entire schema object as a
> whole
> > (global statistics), they can have statistics which refer to an
> individual
> > partition, and they can have statistics which refer to an
> individual
> > subpartition of a composite partitioned object.
> >
> > Unless the query predicate narrows the query to a single partition,
> the
> > optimizer uses the global statistics. Because most queries are not
> likely
> > to be this restrictive, it is most important to have accurate
> global
> > statistics. Intuitively, it may seem that generating global
> statistics
> from
> > partition-level statistics should be straightforward; however, this
> is
> only
> > true for some of the statistics. For example, it is very difficult
> to
> > figure out the number of distinct values for a column from the
> number of
> > distinct values found in each partition because of the possible
> overlap in
> > values. Therefore, actually gathering global statistics with the
> DBMS_STATS
> > package is highly recommended, rather than calculating them with
> the
> > ANALYZE statement
> >
> > */
> > The table I need to generate stats for is currently 32GB and grows
> by ~2GB
> > per week.  Even the smallest estimate with calculating global stats
> will
> > take a long long time and I may not be able to spring for all the
> required
> > temp space.
> >
> > How does the list feel about global stats?  Does anyone agree with
> the
> > documentation that they "most important"?  I'm thinking my
> partitioned
> > statistics are the "most important".
> >
> > Any input is appreciated.  Thanks
> >
> > Lisa Koivu
> > Oracle Database Administrator
> > Fairfield Resor

RE: Global Stats

2003-01-29 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Kirti:

I think the interval is changed to 5 minutes from
3 hours starting from 9i (rel2?).



Best Regards,
K Gopalakrishnan




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Lisa,
 Monitoring, by itself, does not fire any automatic analyze. It simply
montiors the DML activity on the monitored table and counts
inserts/deletes/upates. Those counts may not be 100% accurate, but are very
close. These can be viewed in dba_tab_modifications, and are dumped there by
SMON every 3 hours or so (in 9i there is a new procedure,
flush_database_monitoring_info, to flush these counts to this view on
demand). These counts do not affect the ones maintained in *_tables views.

Monitoring is basically there to help identify which tables may need
statistics computed again. 'Gather stale' option will only analyze tables
that have undergone DML activity (inserts/deletes/updates) that amounts to
more than 10% of the number of rows (from previous analyze) in the table.
And 'gather auto' option 'figures' out what tables to analyze, but you must
execute dbms_stats. So, there is nothing automatic in gathering table stats.

You can test it yourself. remember there is a last_analyzed column ;)

HTH,

- Kirti




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Hi Jared,

Actually I think monitoring won't work in my case.  Data loads fire
throughout the day and the docs say that in 8i, analyze can fire based upon
table monitoring sometime within 3 hours after data changes.  I would rather
include a manual fire of analyze in my data load and avoid any locking
issues or contention for resources.

In addition, if temp space is blown during "auto-analyze" (fired based upon
monitoring), would I know about it?

Just my thoughts.  Am I wrong?

Lisa

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You may want to read up on table monitoring.

Jared

On Tuesday 28 January 2003 11:10, Koivu, Lisa wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Back to the lovely world of Oracle :) I've been reading up on statistics.
> Out of the 8.1.7 doco:
> /*
> Partitioned schema objects may contain multiple sets of statistics. They
> can have statistics which refer to the entire schema object as a whole
> (global statistics), they can have statistics which refer to an individual
> partition, and they can have statistics which refer to an individual
> subpartition of a composite partitioned object.
>
> Unless the query predicate narrows the query to a single partition, the
> optimizer uses the global statistics. Because most queries are not likely
> to be this restrictive, it is most important to have accurate global
> statistics. Intuitively, it may seem that generating global statistics
from
> partition-level statistics should be straightforward; however, this is
only
> true for some of the statistics. For example, it is very difficult to
> figure out the number of distinct values for a column from the number of
> distinct values found in each partition because of the possible overlap in
> values. Therefore, actually gathering global statistics with the
DBMS_STATS
> package is highly recommended, rather than calculating them with the
> ANALYZE statement
>
> */
> The table I need to generate stats for is currently 32GB and grows by ~2GB
> per week.  Even the smallest estimate with calculating global stats will
> take a long long time and I may not be able to spring for all the required
> temp space.
>
> How does the list feel about global stats?  Does anyone agree with the
> documentation that they "most important"?  I'm thinking my partitioned
> statistics are the "most important".
>
> Any input is appreciated.  Thanks
>
> Lisa Koivu
> Oracle Database Administrator
> Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA  33063







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Re: v$Views and d$Tables

2003-01-17 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
For V$Views  definitions have a look at catalog.sql, which has some
information. I understand by D$tables, you mean the dictionary tables.
If that is the case, the sql.bsq (under the $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin)
will be of use.

KG

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RE: Caught YAPPing

2003-01-16 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Rajesh:

You can schedule statspack snaps at 30 minutes
interval and then compare the response times
at each interval.. But the question is 
'what do you mean by average response time?'



KG


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Hello Everyone,

Is there anything, called an "Average Response Time" for an Oracle
database?  I got a request from one of the application owners as under :

< Snip>
If I can get a log of AVERAGE response time for 1/2 hour periods starting
at 9am and running thru 5 pm I would be in heaven.   If I cannot get this,
what would be of similar help.  Here is an example of what I would like to
see, say, for today:
Time  Average Response time
9-9:30 2.3 sec
9:30-10  3.0 sec
10-10:303.3 sec
10:30-113.3 sec
11-11:304.5 sec
and so on (one report for each day)

When we get to 10 seconds we have trouble.  If we have spikes we can try to
figure out why.  ALso, the cost of the above would be a factor.   We have
NO money for this.


How can I get this from system or session wait tables or v$sysstat? Any
ideas?

Regards
Raj

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RE: Minimum required init.ora parameters

2003-01-13 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
The only one parameter.. control_files.
Rest are optional.

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Hemant - I was just going from my hastily written class notes. Sorry about
misspelling the parameter. However, just tried it and 8.1.6 won't start
without the COMPATIBLE parameter set in init.ora.

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"compatibility" or "compatible" is not a mandatory init.ora parameter.
I would think that only the first three are required.

Hemant

At 06:08 AM 13-01-03 -0800, you wrote:
>Nirmal - I believe there are four:
> db_name
> control_file
> db_block_size
> compatibility
>
>This is from John Hibbard, a great Oracle Education instructor.
>But why not try for yourself? Save off your init.ora, then create a new
>init.ora with just the above parameters. If Oracle comes up, then remove
>parameters. If there is another parameter, Oracle will tell you.
>
>
>
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>Pls anybody list out that?
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>Nirmal.,
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RE: www.oracle.com down?

2003-01-11 Thread K Gopalakrishnan



Looks 
like it is down.. I was trying to get in to metalink
at 
2.30-3.00 AM IST (don;t ask what am I doing at that time)
on 
Sunday Morning.. it is down.. !! 
 
Heard 
it is running in the UNBREAKABLE database..
Perhaps they can use Jonathan Lewis's phrase..
 
'Let 
us reboot at the lunch time and call it as a 
network failure ' :D
 
Best Regards,K Gopalakrishnan

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  ORACLE-LSubject: www.oracle.com down?
  Is Oracle's web site down?
   
  I just decieded to try J2EE Web Services CD they 
  sent me.
  It has all the goodies in password-protectd ZIP 
  files and tells to 
  go to http://www.oracle.com/go/?&Src=""> and
  fill registration form to get the password. What 
  a pity. The
  site is down just in the omemnt you need it 
  most.
   
  Could anyone who tried out the CD share the 
  password?
   
  Thanks in advance,
  Nick.


RE: Some of you may find this useful

2003-01-10 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Read Only Dependencies in the KGL.


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Ron, 
that's a bit of a puzzle because it should have been available since 7.3.2.
Which user are you using to query it?
Also, anyone, I know what x$kglrd does but anyone have any idea what the RD
in the table name means? Read? Row? Data? Dependency?

I'm open to suggestions.

Regards,
Mike Hately

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Stephane,
 My creativity has been stumulated, simulated, and mutated.
What version of Oracle are you using?
 x$kglrd ...table or view does no exist on 8.1.7 rel 3
Ron

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/10/03 05:03AM >>>
break on proc
column "QUERY" format A40 word_wrapped
select substr(KGLNAOWN || '.' || KGLNACNM, 1, 35) proc, KGLNADNM
"QUERY"
from x$kglrd
where KGLNAOWN != 'SYS'
order by 1, kgldepno
/

If it doesn't stimulate your creativity I can do nothing for you :-).

Regards,

Stephane Faroult
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RE: ORA-00600: [2662]

2003-01-07 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Mogens:

Yes. You are right. You have to bump the SCNs globally
(i.e. across all data files to higher number, say 1 Billion)
using the event 10015 and ADJUST_SCN. Then we can safely
open the database and rebuild that.

KG


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This response from Oracle is not a good one. Kirti is on the right track
regarding the SCN stuff as far as I remember. Other than that, I know
that Peter Gram and Bjorn Engsig (among a lot of other guys) might be
able to suggest something, so I've CC'ed them.

I have my own law on ora-600s: If you supply all the required
information (tracefiles, alertlogs, repro-case, etc.) chances are
Support is not gonna need them. If you miss out just one of those
things, chances are Support will tell you they cannot proceed without
that vital piece of information. In other words: There's no hope :-)))

Could also be related to db-links between v7 and v8...

But back to the good questions from Kirti: Have you set the funny
_-parameters he mentions?


Mogens

PS: I do beleive there are ways around this with an alter system or
alter session command where you bump the SCN some , but
Peter/Bjorn/someone can confirm this.

Sinardy Xing wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>
>This is what I get from Oracle
>
>==
>
>Hi Sinardy,
>
>I've check several bug looking for the cause of this problem. However, what
I've found is that Development could not diagnosis the problem other than
the possibily hat there was some memory corruption that gave a bad SCN.
Although, they could "sometimes" determine the root cause prior to the
problem occurring by using certain parameters were set in the database.
>
>Those parameters are:
>
>a)_db_block_cache_protect.
>b)_db_block_checking
>c)DB_BLOCK_CHECKSUM
>
>They also recommended running dbverify on all datafiles tomake sure all
files are clean on disk.
>
>IMPORTANT
>==
>These parameter may help later determine what cause the ORA-600 [2662] (and
it's not for certain that a cause can be found). They parameters does have
some performance overhead, but unfortunately this is the only way that can
help in catching and we have to wait until the problem happens again.
>
>So, the bottomline is there is no list of reason for why this error
occuring other than the error occurs when a data block SCN is ahead of the
current SCN.
>
>Sorry Sinardy, we don't have more information.
>
>Thanks!
>Wonda
>
>=
>
>What can I do, help me please...
>
>
>Sinardy
>
>
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>Sinardy
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>ORA-0600 is really an encoded message from Oracle that reads :
>
>'Thank you for helping find yet another bug in our software. You can now
>release your sphincter (some herbal tea might help), especially if this has
>cropped up in production. We suggest you do not try to solve this one by
>yourself, which is why the arguments are supplied. Kindly call OWWS with
>your CSI number, tell them exactly which version and platform you ran this
>on, and if we have encountered this previously, there is a small chance
>that we could have a patch. If not, please do not hold your breath waiting,
>while we assign this to an experienced software engineer, or perhaps a
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>
>Seriously though, ORA-0600 are mysteries. Your best chance is to get Tim
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>Ferenc Mantfeld
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>Hi all,
>
>I hit by this error
>
>ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [2662], [0], [54151123], [0],
>[54173017], [16781180], [], []
>
>
>Can you help me where to find info about this error
>
>
>
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Re: ORA-00600: [2662]

2003-01-06 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Other than the allow_resetlogs_corruption, _disable_logging also will
greet you with OERI-2662 if the shutdown is not normal. 


KG

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> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [2662], [0], [54151123],
> [0], 
> [54173017], [16781180], [], []
> 
> 
> Can you help me where to find info about this error 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: ORA-00600: [2662]

2003-01-06 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Sinardy:

Have you force opened the database? (_allow_resetlogs_corruption).
In this case the SCN Mismatch (block SCN vs Currnet SCN) is causing the
OERI-2662, and you need to bump the SCNS globally to get the database
up. 

Speak to Oracle Support and ask for the details to bump the SCN, then
you can open the database. You need to rebuild the database after force
opening.

KG

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> 
> I hit by this error
> 
> ORA-00600: internal error code, arguments: [2662], [0], [54151123],
> [0], 
> [54173017], [16781180], [], []
> 
> 
> Can you help me where to find info about this error 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Physical reads

2002-12-30 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Pradeep:

It is NOT number of read request to the I/O sub-system. It is number of
blocks read from the disk. Note that the physical read is not
necessarily a physical read. There are chances the block could be from
Memory (file system buffer cache). This happens when you have quick IO
and/or a large file system buffer cache.

So, in general 'physical reads' are the number of blcoks read in  to
the buffer cache from the disk !!




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> that the physical reads value as number of physical I/Os to the disk
> happened?


=
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RE: Cache on sysdate? --From 9i performance planning manual

2002-12-26 Thread K Gopalakrishnan
Raj:

SQL trace or the event 10046 is NOT the right to trace the PL/SQL
executions. You need to either use the dbms package dbms_trace  or
event 10938 to populate the SYS table PLSQL_TRACE_EVENTs and select
from that table.

SQL_TRACE is just SQL Trace. NOT PL/SQL Trace..


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--- "Jamadagni, Rajendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought the very same Tim ...
> But ...
> 
> oraclei@elara-ABC1> sys
> 
> SQL*Plus: Release 9.2.0.2.0 - Production on Thu Dec 26 13:14:58 2002
> 
> Copyright (c) 1982, 2002, Oracle Corporation.  All rights reserved.
> 
> Connected.
> SQL> alter session set sql_trace=true;
> 
> Session altered.
> 
> SQL> declare
>   2  a date;
>   3  begin
>   4  dbms_output.enable(10);
>   5  a := sysdate;
>   6  dbms_output.put_line(to_char(a, 'MM-DD- HH24:MI:SS'));
>   7  end;
>   8  /
> 
> PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.
> 
> SQL> exit
> Disconnected from Oracle9i Enterprise Edition Release 9.2.0.2.0 -
> 64bit
> Production
> With the Partitioning, Real Application Clusters, OLAP and Oracle
> Data
> Mining options
> JServer Release 9.2.0.2.0 - Production
> oraclei@elara-ABC1> 
> 
> and 
> 
> /var/opt/oracle/logs/ABC/abc1_ora_9511050.trc
> Oracle9i Enterprise Edition Release 9.2.0.2.0 - 64bit Production
> With the Partitioning, Real Application Clusters, OLAP and Oracle
> Data
> Mining options
> JServer Release 9.2.0.2.0 - Production
> ORACLE_HOME = /usr/opt/oracle/current
> System name:AIX
> Node name:  elara
> Release:1
> Version:5
> Machine:0023565A4C00
> Instance name: ABC1
> Redo thread mounted by this instance: 1
> Oracle process number: 30
> Unix process pid: 9511050, image: oracle@elara (TNS V1-V3)
> 
> *** SESSION ID:(36.2802) 2002-12-26 13:15:08.044
> APPNAME mod='sqlplus@elara (TNS V1-V3)' mh=0 act='' ah=0
> =
> PARSING IN CURSOR #1 len=32 dep=0 uid=0 oct=42 lid=0
> tim=1016529793013758
> hv=3943786303 ad='32ae5788'
> alter session set sql_trace=true
> END OF STMT
> EXEC
> #1:c=0,e=108,p=0,cr=0,cu=0,mis=1,r=0,dep=0,og=4,tim=1016529793011934
> *** 2002-12-26 13:15:54.498
> =
> PARSING IN CURSOR #1 len=127 dep=0 uid=0 oct=47 lid=0
> tim=1016529838377159
> hv=174346551 ad='301694f8'
> declare
> a date;
> begin
> dbms_output.enable(10);
> a := sysdate;
> dbms_output.put_line(to_char(a, 'MM-DD- HH24:MI:SS'));
> end;
> END OF STMT
> PARSE
> #1:c=0,e=8986,p=0,cr=0,cu=0,mis=1,r=0,dep=0,og=4,tim=1016529838377153
> EXEC
> #1:c=0,e=443,p=0,cr=0,cu=0,mis=0,r=1,dep=0,og=4,tim=1016529838377721
> XCTEND rlbk=0, rd_only=1
> 
> ???
> Raj
> __
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> In PL/SQL, every statement which references SYSDATE or USER
> or USERENV or similar functions (such as your second
> suggestion) is automatically translated into an individual
> SELECT xxx FROM DUAL statement, behind the scenes.
> 
> You don't have a choice.  Call it a weakness of PL/SQL...
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