RE: Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions
Perhaps a better way to put it is the buying power is the same in relation to the average salary. The cost of living may be 3 times the amount as another place, but the going rate for a DBA there will also be roughly 3 times that of the other location. Thus, the same buying power. People just get caught up in the rather large sounding amount. (i.e. $245K a year sounds like a lot in American dollars...). Alan Aschenbrenner DBA IHS Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Monday, January 07, 2002, 9:15:21 PM, you wrote: KS> I always find it funny when people do the conversions. I don't know how KS> many times I have to explain to people at work that $1 Canadian in Canada KS> has the same buying power as $1 American in the US. I'm not convinced of that. Last time I visited Canada, gas cost me more Canadian dollars per gallon that U.S. dollars per gallon in the states. Ditto for coffee, pop, candy bars, fast-food, etc. In many cases, portions were smaller. I'd buy a large coffee at McDonalds in Canada and it'd be a lot smaller than a U.S. large. KS> Even funny is when I point out there was a time (and that is in my lifetime) KS> when Canadians flocked to the US to buy cause our dollar was worth more. KS> They just won't believe me but I swear to god it's true. I distinctly remember this. I don't remember the flocking part, but I clearly remember a brief time back when I was a teenager that the Canadian dollar was worth a few cents more than ours. So now you've found at least one person who believes. Canada's my favorite vacation destination, btw. I had the holidays off and tried to convince my daughter to go on a rail/bus trip to Moosonee. I was really excited about the idea, but Jenny wouldn't hear of it. She actually got mad at me for even suggestion we travel farther north. So I gave up on Moosonee for now, and I'm looking at maybe doing a weekend rail trip to Hearst with my son. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Aschenbrenner, Alan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions
There is a new report out, but that probably should go in the OT list: http://www.cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2002/01/07/enviro_report0 10207 There are high taxes on gasoline for a reason. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions You still pay about three times for gas. Gas prices in Canada as they are in parts of Europe but they are bad. Makes me want to throttle people in Oregon who complain about the gas prices out here. Especially since they have no sales tax. You never know how good you have it until you don't. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The Canadian gallon is not the same as the U.S. gallon. The Canadian gallon uses 5 qts. not 4. My 0.03 Eureo's worth. Ken -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions Monday, January 07, 2002, 9:15:21 PM, you wrote: KS> I always find it funny when people do the conversions. I don't know how KS> many times I have to explain to people at work that $1 Canadian in Canada KS> has the same buying power as $1 American in the US. I'm not convinced of that. Last time I visited Canada, gas cost me more Canadian dollars per gallon that U.S. dollars per gallon in the states. Ditto for coffee, pop, candy bars, fast-food, etc. In many cases, portions were smaller. I'd buy a large coffee at McDonalds in Canada and it'd be a lot smaller than a U.S. large. KS> Even funny is when I point out there was a time (and that is in my lifetime) KS> when Canadians flocked to the US to buy cause our dollar was worth more. KS> They just won't believe me but I swear to god it's true. I distinctly remember this. I don't remember the flocking part, but I clearly remember a brief time back when I was a teenager that the Canadian dollar was worth a few cents more than ours. So now you've found at least one person who believes. Canada's my favorite vacation destination, btw. I had the holidays off and tried to convince my daughter to go on a rail/bus trip to Moosonee. I was really excited about the idea, but Jenny wouldn't hear of it. She actually got mad at me for even suggestion we travel farther north. So I gave up on Moosonee for now, and I'm looking at maybe doing a weekend rail trip to Hearst with my son. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ken Janusz INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services
RE: Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions
You still pay about three times for gas. Gas prices in Canada as they are in parts of Europe but they are bad. Makes me want to throttle people in Oregon who complain about the gas prices out here. Especially since they have no sales tax. You never know how good you have it until you don't. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The Canadian gallon is not the same as the U.S. gallon. The Canadian gallon uses 5 qts. not 4. My 0.03 Eureo's worth. Ken -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions Monday, January 07, 2002, 9:15:21 PM, you wrote: KS> I always find it funny when people do the conversions. I don't know how KS> many times I have to explain to people at work that $1 Canadian in Canada KS> has the same buying power as $1 American in the US. I'm not convinced of that. Last time I visited Canada, gas cost me more Canadian dollars per gallon that U.S. dollars per gallon in the states. Ditto for coffee, pop, candy bars, fast-food, etc. In many cases, portions were smaller. I'd buy a large coffee at McDonalds in Canada and it'd be a lot smaller than a U.S. large. KS> Even funny is when I point out there was a time (and that is in my lifetime) KS> when Canadians flocked to the US to buy cause our dollar was worth more. KS> They just won't believe me but I swear to god it's true. I distinctly remember this. I don't remember the flocking part, but I clearly remember a brief time back when I was a teenager that the Canadian dollar was worth a few cents more than ours. So now you've found at least one person who believes. Canada's my favorite vacation destination, btw. I had the holidays off and tried to convince my daughter to go on a rail/bus trip to Moosonee. I was really excited about the idea, but Jenny wouldn't hear of it. She actually got mad at me for even suggestion we travel farther north. So I gave up on Moosonee for now, and I'm looking at maybe doing a weekend rail trip to Hearst with my son. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ken Janusz INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions
The Canadian gallon is not the same as the U.S. gallon. The Canadian gallon uses 5 qts. not 4. My 0.03 Eureo's worth. Ken -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions Monday, January 07, 2002, 9:15:21 PM, you wrote: KS> I always find it funny when people do the conversions. I don't know how KS> many times I have to explain to people at work that $1 Canadian in Canada KS> has the same buying power as $1 American in the US. I'm not convinced of that. Last time I visited Canada, gas cost me more Canadian dollars per gallon that U.S. dollars per gallon in the states. Ditto for coffee, pop, candy bars, fast-food, etc. In many cases, portions were smaller. I'd buy a large coffee at McDonalds in Canada and it'd be a lot smaller than a U.S. large. KS> Even funny is when I point out there was a time (and that is in my lifetime) KS> when Canadians flocked to the US to buy cause our dollar was worth more. KS> They just won't believe me but I swear to god it's true. I distinctly remember this. I don't remember the flocking part, but I clearly remember a brief time back when I was a teenager that the Canadian dollar was worth a few cents more than ours. So now you've found at least one person who believes. Canada's my favorite vacation destination, btw. I had the holidays off and tried to convince my daughter to go on a rail/bus trip to Moosonee. I was really excited about the idea, but Jenny wouldn't hear of it. She actually got mad at me for even suggestion we travel farther north. So I gave up on Moosonee for now, and I'm looking at maybe doing a weekend rail trip to Hearst with my son. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ken Janusz INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions
Actually the funniest but best indicator of currency buying power is the Big Mac Indicator. Or the local cost of a Big Mac. It is because of the fact it is the same worldwide it is and is comparing like to like Dont know what our price is as I only buy meals never a single burger Cheers -- = Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultant WWW: http://www.mincom.com APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 Brisbane, Australia Mobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 = A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. - Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) = Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" = Jonathan Gennick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/01/2002 01:40 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Fax to: Subject: Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions Monday, January 07, 2002, 9:15:21 PM, you wrote: KS> I always find it funny when people do the conversions. I don't know how KS> many times I have to explain to people at work that $1 Canadian in Canada KS> has the same buying power as $1 American in the US. I'm not convinced of that. Last time I visited Canada, gas cost me more Canadian dollars per gallon that U.S. dollars per gallon in the states. Ditto for coffee, pop, candy bars, fast-food, etc. In many cases, portions were smaller. I'd buy a large coffee at McDonalds in Canada and it'd be a lot smaller than a U.S. large. KS> Even funny is when I point out there was a time (and that is in my lifetime) KS> when Canadians flocked to the US to buy cause our dollar was worth more. KS> They just won't believe me but I swear to god it's true. I distinctly remember this. I don't remember the flocking part, but I clearly remember a brief time back when I was a teenager that the Canadian dollar was worth a few cents more than ours. So now you've found at least one person who believes. Canada's my favorite vacation destination, btw. I had the holidays off and tried to convince my daughter to go on a rail/bus trip to Moosonee. I was really excited about the idea, but Jenny wouldn't hear of it. She actually got mad at me for even suggestion we travel farther north. So I gave up on Moosonee for now, and I'm looking at maybe doing a weekend rail trip to Hearst with my son. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by the Mincom Group of companies unless expressly stated otherwise.
Re[2]: Becoming a DBA questions
Monday, January 07, 2002, 9:15:21 PM, you wrote: KS> I always find it funny when people do the conversions. I don't know how KS> many times I have to explain to people at work that $1 Canadian in Canada KS> has the same buying power as $1 American in the US. I'm not convinced of that. Last time I visited Canada, gas cost me more Canadian dollars per gallon that U.S. dollars per gallon in the states. Ditto for coffee, pop, candy bars, fast-food, etc. In many cases, portions were smaller. I'd buy a large coffee at McDonalds in Canada and it'd be a lot smaller than a U.S. large. KS> Even funny is when I point out there was a time (and that is in my lifetime) KS> when Canadians flocked to the US to buy cause our dollar was worth more. KS> They just won't believe me but I swear to god it's true. I distinctly remember this. I don't remember the flocking part, but I clearly remember a brief time back when I was a teenager that the Canadian dollar was worth a few cents more than ours. So now you've found at least one person who believes. Canada's my favorite vacation destination, btw. I had the holidays off and tried to convince my daughter to go on a rail/bus trip to Moosonee. I was really excited about the idea, but Jenny wouldn't hear of it. She actually got mad at me for even suggestion we travel farther north. So I gave up on Moosonee for now, and I'm looking at maybe doing a weekend rail trip to Hearst with my son. Best regards, Jonathan Gennick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * 906.387.1698 http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com * http://ValleySpur.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Gennick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
I always find it funny when people do the conversions. I don't know how
many times I have to explain to people at work that $1 Canadian in Canada
has the same buying power as $1 American in the US. Its only when you
cross borders that it makes a difference. For example, it really sucked
when I still worked for EDS Canada and was working in the States.
Even funny is when I point out there was a time (and that is in my lifetime)
when Canadians flocked to the US to buy cause our dollar was worth more.
They just won't believe me but I swear to god it's true.
You make the conversion Mark just brought that to mind. Its funny to me.
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We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is currently
forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on UNIX /
AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - and the
cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA.
With this in mind:
Per week = ?4,800
Per Month = ?19,200
Per Year = ?249,600 ()
I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, and may
not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
Per Hour = $172
Per Week = $6,900
Per Month = $27,600
Per Year = $358,775
Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
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Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
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200K US$ ??? Wow
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Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
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> I'd never heard of a 200K salary before this and inclined to doubt it.
I have, a few years ago.
It's not unheard of, just uncommon.
Jared
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My impression is in the bull direction.
Up until this year it was possible to get up to the 100,000+ range pretty
quickly if you were experienced and willing to job hop (I stayed put and
haven't made it there yet). But with the dot com collapse there are a lot
of good people out there looking for work.
And I had heard of consultants and really senior people (i.e., also
managing
a bunch of other DBAs) in certain markets making $150K.
I'd never heard of a 200K salary before this and inclined to doubt it.
Jay Miller
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Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
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Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
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Jeff Moad.
http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp
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I noticed that TUSC made an effort to recruit authors last year.
Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
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agreed... and also we were marketing off my name value, and the name
value of the other consultants ("authors")
not usual, but it was done. of course the market has changed since then
--- Randy Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But ... that kind of rate is not as likely for an independent. A very
> senior
> Oracle guru who's a buddy of mine had a very hard time trying to get
> $110/hr
> last year when things were good.
>
> My rate last year was $220/hr (for SAP Basis, charged by SAP), but
> that kind
> of money didn't make it into my pocket!
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Carmichael
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:15 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> um, when I worked for a consulting company the discounted rate we
> charged was $175/hour
>
> yes that is the correct number.
>
>
> --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is
> > currently
> > forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience
> on
> > UNIX /
> > AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis
> -
> > and the
> > cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent
> DBA.
> >
> > With this in mind:
> >
> > Per week = ?4,800
> > Per Month = ?19,200
> > Per Year = ?249,600 ()
> >
> > I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a
> contractor,
> > and may
> > not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
> >
> > For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
> >
> > Per Hour = $172
> > Per Week = $6,900
> > Per Month = $27,600
> > Per Year = $358,775
> >
> > Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeh, I thought wow as well
> > My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of
> money
> > as a
> > DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just
> > curious if
> > this is total bull
> >
> > We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they
> tend
> > to
> > contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then
> > sometimes a
> > lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There
> is
> > probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6
> > figures
> > and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like
> > midddle to
> > high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be
> higher
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > --
> > =
> > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com
> > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461
> > Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238
> >Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048
> > =
> > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
> >
> >- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist)
> > =
> > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision"
> >
> > =
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 07/01/2002 11:40 AM
> > Please respond to ORACLE-L
> >
> > To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > cc:
> > Fax to:
> > Subject:RE: Becoming a DBA questions
> >
> >
> >
> > 200K US$ ??? Wow
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > Lemme get this right.
> >
> > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
> > even a senior DBA, where he can ma
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Most of the UK jobs I saw at monster.com for the Uk are about 40K, though I did see one for 100K. What a gap! But then some don't even list a salary, and I saw one item that listed zero as the salary. I wonder how many applicants they get for those... Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions But ... that kind of rate is not as likely for an independent. A very senior Oracle guru who's a buddy of mine had a very hard time trying to get $110/hr last year when things were good. My rate last year was $220/hr (for SAP Basis, charged by SAP), but that kind of money didn't make it into my pocket! Randy -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L um, when I worked for a consulting company the discounted rate we charged was $175/hour yes that is the correct number. --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is > currently > forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on > UNIX / > AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - > and the > cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA. > > With this in mind: > > Per week = ?4,800 > Per Month = ?19,200 > Per Year = ?249,600 () > > I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, > and may > not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but.. > > For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to: > > Per Hour = $172 > Per Week = $6,900 > Per Month = $27,600 > Per Year = $358,775 > > Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money! > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Yeh, I thought wow as well > My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money > as a > DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just > curious if > this is total bull > > We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend > to > contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then > sometimes a > lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is > probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 > figures > and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like > midddle to > high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher > > > Cheers > > -- > = > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 > Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 >Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 > = > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. > >- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) > = > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" > > = > > > > > > "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/01/2002 11:40 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Fax to: > Subject:RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > > 200K US$ ??? Wow > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > > > >DENNIS WILLIAMS > of > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >TOUCH.COM>cc: >Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a > DBA > questions >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >m > > >01/04/02 09:05 >AM >Please respond >to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > the article is at http
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
um *I* didn't get that amount, the company did. I left because I still prefer working in one place million? book? oh, you mean million gray hairs from writing it... --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That puts you in around the same price bracket as the contractor > described > below.. Why did you leave? ;> > > Ahh of course - I forgot that you were making your first million from > your > book sales > > -Original Message- > Carmichael > Sent: 07 January 2002 16:15 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > um, when I worked for a consulting company the discounted rate we > charged was $175/hour > > yes that is the correct number. > > > --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is > > currently > > forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience > on > > UNIX / > > AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis > - > > and the > > cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent > DBA. > > > > With this in mind: > > > > Per week = ?4,800 > > Per Month = ?19,200 > > Per Year = ?249,600 () > > > > I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a > contractor, > > and may > > not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but.. > > > > For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to: > > > > Per Hour = $172 > > Per Week = $6,900 > > Per Month = $27,600 > > Per Year = $358,775 > > > > Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money! > > > > -Original Message- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30 > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > Yeh, I thought wow as well > > My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of > money > > as a > > DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just > > curious if > > this is total bull > > > > We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they > tend > > to > > contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then > > sometimes a > > lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There > is > > probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 > > figures > > and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like > > midddle to > > high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be > higher > > > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > = > > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com > > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 > > Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 > >Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 > > = > > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. > > > >- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) > > = > > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" > > > > = > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 07/01/2002 11:40 AM > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > > Fax to: > > Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > > > > > > 200K US$ ??? Wow > > > > -Original Message- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > Lemme get this right. > > > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > >DENNIS WILLIAMS > > recipients > > of > > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >TOUCH.COM>cc: > >Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming > a > > DBA > > questions > >
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Here is an interesting article about a friend of mine that seems to have
achieved success in this area. At any rate he was a friend until I read this
article.
http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO60184,00.html
-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:50 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Not quite, you still have to pay all the various taxes, insurance (which is
usually more expensive, unless you can get into a group or organization
plan), retirement account (but with no company matching), etc. So you may
end up hiring a accountant to handle all that.
Then you have to constantly market yourself, looking for work, sometimes
taking a long distance assignment. Then there is the negotiating for rates
and the work. Some companies have locked in specific rates, so your stuck.
There are gaps in billable engagements, some short, some long, but they eat
into that 6 figure salary your trying to make.
Checkout http://www.cpuniverse.com/ for good info.
Chris
-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:57 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is currently
forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on UNIX /
AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - and the
cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA.
With this in mind:
Per week = ?4,800
Per Month = ?19,200
Per Year = ?249,600 ()
I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, and may
not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
Per Hour = $172
Per Week = $6,900
Per Month = $27,600
Per Year = $358,775
Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
-Original Message-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
--
=
Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com
APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461
Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238
Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048
=
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist)
=
Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision"
=
"Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
07/01/2002 11:40 AM
Please respond to ORACLE-L
To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:
Fax to:
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200K US$ ??? Wow
-Original Message-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
DENNIS WILLIAMS
TOUCH.COM> cc:
Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA
questions
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m
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The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled,
the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by
Jeff Moad.
http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp
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RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Must say that salary levels in the UK r much lower so.average DBA
salaries
here range between £35K to £40K which is peanuts compared to the salaries u
r
talking about. A contractor gets better rates but not more than £35-40 per
hour
in today's market.
Hats off to the US on salaries !!
Samir
Samir Sarkar
Oracle DBA - Lennon Team
SchlumbergerSema
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-Original Message-
Sent: 07 January 2002 15:57
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is currently
forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on UNIX /
AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - and the
cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA.
With this in mind:
Per week = ?4,800
Per Month = ?19,200
Per Year = ?249,600 ()
I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, and may
not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
Per Hour = $172
Per Week = $6,900
Per Month = $27,600
Per Year = $358,775
Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
-Original Message-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
--
=
Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com
APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461
Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238
Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048
=
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist)
=
Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision"
=
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Please respond to ORACLE-L
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200K US$ ??? Wow
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Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
DENNIS WILLIAMS
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The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled,
the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by
Jeff Moad.
http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp
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RE: Becoming a DBA questions
agreed... and also we were marketing off my name value, and the name
value of the other consultants ("authors")
not usual, but it was done. of course the market has changed since then
--- Randy Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But ... that kind of rate is not as likely for an independent. A very
> senior
> Oracle guru who's a buddy of mine had a very hard time trying to get
> $110/hr
> last year when things were good.
>
> My rate last year was $220/hr (for SAP Basis, charged by SAP), but
> that kind
> of money didn't make it into my pocket!
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Carmichael
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:15 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> um, when I worked for a consulting company the discounted rate we
> charged was $175/hour
>
> yes that is the correct number.
>
>
> --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is
> > currently
> > forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience
> on
> > UNIX /
> > AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis
> -
> > and the
> > cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent
> DBA.
> >
> > With this in mind:
> >
> > Per week = ?4,800
> > Per Month = ?19,200
> > Per Year = ?249,600 ()
> >
> > I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a
> contractor,
> > and may
> > not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
> >
> > For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
> >
> > Per Hour = $172
> > Per Week = $6,900
> > Per Month = $27,600
> > Per Year = $358,775
> >
> > Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeh, I thought wow as well
> > My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of
> money
> > as a
> > DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just
> > curious if
> > this is total bull
> >
> > We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they
> tend
> > to
> > contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then
> > sometimes a
> > lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There
> is
> > probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6
> > figures
> > and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like
> > midddle to
> > high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be
> higher
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > --
> > =
> > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com
> > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461
> > Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238
> >Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048
> > =
> > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
> >
> >- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist)
> > =
> > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision"
> >
> > =
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 07/01/2002 11:40 AM
> > Please respond to ORACLE-L
> >
> > To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > cc:
> > Fax to:
> > Subject:RE: Becoming a DBA questions
> >
> >
> >
> > 200K US$ ??? Wow
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> > Lemme get this right.
> >
> > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
> > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
> >
> > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
> >
> > Jared
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >DENNIS WILLIAMS
> > recipients
> > of
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But ... that kind of rate is not as likely for an independent. A very senior Oracle guru who's a buddy of mine had a very hard time trying to get $110/hr last year when things were good. My rate last year was $220/hr (for SAP Basis, charged by SAP), but that kind of money didn't make it into my pocket! Randy -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L um, when I worked for a consulting company the discounted rate we charged was $175/hour yes that is the correct number. --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is > currently > forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on > UNIX / > AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - > and the > cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA. > > With this in mind: > > Per week = ?4,800 > Per Month = ?19,200 > Per Year = ?249,600 () > > I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, > and may > not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but.. > > For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to: > > Per Hour = $172 > Per Week = $6,900 > Per Month = $27,600 > Per Year = $358,775 > > Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money! > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Yeh, I thought wow as well > My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money > as a > DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just > curious if > this is total bull > > We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend > to > contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then > sometimes a > lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is > probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 > figures > and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like > midddle to > high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher > > > Cheers > > -- > = > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 > Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 >Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 > = > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. > >- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) > = > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" > > = > > > > > > "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/01/2002 11:40 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Fax to: > Subject:RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > > 200K US$ ??? Wow > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > > > >DENNIS WILLIAMS > of > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >TOUCH.COM>cc: >Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a > DBA > questions >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >m > > >01/04/02 09:05 >AM >Please respond >to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA > Job by > Jeff Moad. > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists >
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Not quite, you still have to pay all the various taxes, insurance (which is
usually more expensive, unless you can get into a group or organization
plan), retirement account (but with no company matching), etc. So you may
end up hiring a accountant to handle all that.
Then you have to constantly market yourself, looking for work, sometimes
taking a long distance assignment. Then there is the negotiating for rates
and the work. Some companies have locked in specific rates, so your stuck.
There are gaps in billable engagements, some short, some long, but they eat
into that 6 figure salary your trying to make.
Checkout http://www.cpuniverse.com/ for good info.
Chris
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We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is currently
forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on UNIX /
AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - and the
cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA.
With this in mind:
Per week = ?4,800
Per Month = ?19,200
Per Year = ?249,600 ()
I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, and may
not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
Per Hour = $172
Per Week = $6,900
Per Month = $27,600
Per Year = $358,775
Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
-Original Message-
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Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
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Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
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When I worked for Oracle as a Sr. Consultant my rate was $205.00 / hour usually discounted to about $150.00 / hr. Unfortunately, I never saw that amount. Ken -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: Becoming a DBA questions um, when I worked for a consulting company the discounted rate we charged was $175/hour yes that is the correct number. --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is > currently > forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on > UNIX / > AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - > and the > cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA. > > With this in mind: > > Per week = ?4,800 > Per Month = ?19,200 > Per Year = ?249,600 () > > I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, > and may > not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but.. > > For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to: > > Per Hour = $172 > Per Week = $6,900 > Per Month = $27,600 > Per Year = $358,775 > > Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money! > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Yeh, I thought wow as well > My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money > as a > DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just > curious if > this is total bull > > We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend > to > contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then > sometimes a > lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is > probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 > figures > and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like > midddle to > high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher > > > Cheers > > -- > = > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 > Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 >Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 > = > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. > >- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) > = > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" > > = > > > > > > "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/01/2002 11:40 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Fax to: > Subject:RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > > 200K US$ ??? Wow > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > > > >DENNIS WILLIAMS > of > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >TOUCH.COM>cc: >Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a > DBA > questions >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >m > > >01/04/02 09:05 >AM >Please respond >to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA > Job by > Jeff Moad. > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list
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Yup this *is* in the UK!!!
I was shocked when I heard about it also - it's one of Gerry's contacts..
The rates that you are talking about are probably around the "norm" for this
area as well (Midlands / Birmingham type area), though I have heard of
people making slightly more - £75-85 per hour, but this is REALLY rare..
Almost as rare as rocking horse crap (thank God rocking horses don't
excrete! my little girl has one in her room)
It does go to show that if you look hard enough - these rates ARE achievable
though..
The contact Gerry heard this from is in Middlesex (Uxbridge), and he has two
of them on staff - the second one is *only* on £100 per hour.
Now, where did I put that resume and OCP exam guides? ;P
-Original Message-
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Sent: 07 January 2002 16:06
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Mark,
Is this in the UK ??
Those sorts of rates were being bandied around a while ago but even some of
the better ones these days (and they are few and far between) are round
about the 70 per hour tops. Up here in the N.E that drops to something
around 50. Mind you they are about as rare as rocking horse dung !!!
Lee
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is currently
forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on UNIX /
AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - and the
cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA.
With this in mind:
Per week = ?4,800
Per Month = ?19,200
Per Year = ?249,600 ()
I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, and may
not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
Per Hour = $172
Per Week = $6,900
Per Month = $27,600
Per Year = $358,775
Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
-Original Message-
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Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
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Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
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RE: Becoming a DBA questions
My impression is in the bull direction.
Up until this year it was possible to get up to the 100,000+ range pretty
quickly if you were experienced and willing to job hop (I stayed put and
haven't made it there yet). But with the dot com collapse there are a lot
of good people out there looking for work.
And I had heard of consultants and really senior people (i.e., also managing
a bunch of other DBAs) in certain markets making $150K.
I'd never heard of a 200K salary before this and inclined to doubt it.
Jay Miller
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Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
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Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
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Title: RE: Becoming a DBA questions Mark, Why do you sound so suprised Mark? £120 / hour - wouldn't get out of bed for that. As Lee says he is either very lucky, specialised or both. Wherever the job is in the UK I will undercut by £10/hour :-) John -Original Message- From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 January 2002 16:06 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions Mark, Is this in the UK ?? Those sorts of rates were being bandied around a while ago but even some of the better ones these days (and they are few and far between) are round about the 70 per hour tops. Up here in the N.E that drops to something around 50. Mind you they are about as rare as rocking horse dung !!! Lee -Original Message- Sent: 07 January 2002 15:57 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is currently forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on UNIX / AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - and the cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA. With this in mind: Per week = ?4,800 Per Month = ?19,200 Per Year = ?249,600 () I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, and may not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but.. For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to: Per Hour = $172 Per Week = $6,900 Per Month = $27,600 Per Year = $358,775 Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money! -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yeh, I thought wow as well My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if this is total bull We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher Cheers -- = Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultant WWW: http://www.mincom.com APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 Brisbane, Australia Mobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 = A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. - Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) = Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" = "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/01/2002 11:40 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Fax to: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions 200K US$ ??? Wow -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lemme get this right. This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TOUCH.COM> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the of
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That puts you in around the same price bracket as the contractor described below.. Why did you leave? ;> Ahh of course - I forgot that you were making your first million from your book sales -Original Message- Carmichael Sent: 07 January 2002 16:15 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L um, when I worked for a consulting company the discounted rate we charged was $175/hour yes that is the correct number. --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is > currently > forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on > UNIX / > AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - > and the > cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA. > > With this in mind: > > Per week = ?4,800 > Per Month = ?19,200 > Per Year = ?249,600 () > > I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, > and may > not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but.. > > For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to: > > Per Hour = $172 > Per Week = $6,900 > Per Month = $27,600 > Per Year = $358,775 > > Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money! > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Yeh, I thought wow as well > My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money > as a > DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just > curious if > this is total bull > > We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend > to > contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then > sometimes a > lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is > probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 > figures > and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like > midddle to > high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher > > > Cheers > > -- > = > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 > Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 >Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 > = > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. > >- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) > = > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" > > = > > > > > > "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/01/2002 11:40 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Fax to: > Subject:RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > > 200K US$ ??? Wow > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > > > >DENNIS WILLIAMS > of > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >TOUCH.COM>cc: >Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a > DBA > questions >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >m > > >01/04/02 09:05 >AM >Please respond >to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA > Job by > Jeff Moad. > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail
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um, when I worked for a consulting company the discounted rate we charged was $175/hour yes that is the correct number. --- Mark Leith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is > currently > forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on > UNIX / > AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - > and the > cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA. > > With this in mind: > > Per week = ?4,800 > Per Month = ?19,200 > Per Year = ?249,600 () > > I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, > and may > not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but.. > > For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to: > > Per Hour = $172 > Per Week = $6,900 > Per Month = $27,600 > Per Year = $358,775 > > Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money! > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Yeh, I thought wow as well > My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money > as a > DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just > curious if > this is total bull > > We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend > to > contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then > sometimes a > lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is > probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 > figures > and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like > midddle to > high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher > > > Cheers > > -- > = > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 > Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 >Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 > = > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. > >- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) > = > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" > > = > > > > > > "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/01/2002 11:40 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Fax to: > Subject:RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > > 200K US$ ??? Wow > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > > > >DENNIS WILLIAMS > of > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >TOUCH.COM>cc: >Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a > DBA > questions >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >m > > >01/04/02 09:05 >AM >Please respond >to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA > Job by > Jeff Moad. > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > &
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Of course there are some exceptions, but that is what they are - exceptions!
An Oracle instructor for a Performance Tuning class was an independent
contractor doing Oracle development for the Port of Miami many years ago and
I believe his rate was approaching $125/hr or so.
Randy
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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:57 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is currently
forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on UNIX /
AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - and the
cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA.
With this in mind:
Per week = ?4,800
Per Month = ?19,200
Per Year = ?249,600 ()
I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, and may
not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
Per Hour = $172
Per Week = $6,900
Per Month = $27,600
Per Year = $358,775
Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
-Original Message-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
--
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Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238
Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048
=
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist)
=
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Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
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Jeff Moad.
http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp
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RE: Becoming a DBA questions
ITI here has Ads on the Cable schedule channel off and on, to drum up business. There aren't many training companies left out there, not like there were 5 years ago. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions I actually used to work for one of the originators of ITI. What she started for was not what it ended up being. She found that they were going away from teaching really. She got out of it as soon as they started to change directions. Made her pretty wealthy actually but I think she is sorry that it went in the direction that it did. I have worked with a lot of folks that came from ITI. Some where good, especially those that had a business degree before, and some just sucked. And they will continue to until they get a lot more experience. -Original Message- Iwaniec Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if the article is about a real person. Maybe it has been "created" by companies that run DBA courses and want to fiil classes. It reminds me ITI commercials. The company went down last summer, then was purchased by someone else and last October- November you could hear on the radio: "400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce are waiting..." Witold On 4 Jan 2002 at 14:00, Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > I'm sorry ... but "a little over $100K" + $7K is way over what any > reasonable person would pay for a newbie DBA! I stand by my previous message > ... this is full of crap unless he's doing more than DBA work! (Or the > company is EXTREMELY generous and I want on board!) > > Randy > > -Original Message- > WILLIAMS > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Note that the article doesn't say that he is making $150K. It says that at > his old position he was making a little over $100K, and getting Oracle > certified got him a $7K increase. Well, changing jobs and getting a 7% > increase isn't a big deal. It says that this position has a potential > maximum of $150K. I would rate the article as misleading but not an outright > lie. > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:20 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I agree also, I've been working with Oracle since > version 4 and the rates here in austin,tx are anywhere > from $35/hr to $75/hr, and chances are pretty slim finding > an company willing to pay $75/hr for an senior person, and > usually its an 1099 job when it comes to $75/hr job. > > dan whatley > > Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > > Either he's full of crap, or they're paying him way too much unless he has > > some other managerial responsibilities. The only way to make 200K is to be > a > > sought-after independent consultant (at $100 an hour or so). The going > rate > > in the Denver area is $40 - $60 an hour (sometimes up to $75, but never > > $100!) > > > > Randy > > > > -Original Message- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:16 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Lemme get this right. > > > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > > > Jared > > > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > > > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > TOUCH.COM>cc: > > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA > > questions > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > m > > > > 01/04/02 09:05 > > AM > > Please respond > > to ORACLE-L > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by > > Jeff Moad. > > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > > INE
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Mark,
Is this in the UK ??
Those sorts of rates were being bandied around a while ago but even some of
the better ones these days (and they are few and far between) are round
about the 70 per hour tops. Up here in the N.E that drops to something
around 50. Mind you they are about as rare as rocking horse dung !!!
Lee
-Original Message-
Sent: 07 January 2002 15:57
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is currently
forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on UNIX /
AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - and the
cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA.
With this in mind:
Per week = ?4,800
Per Month = ?19,200
Per Year = ?249,600 ()
I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, and may
not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
Per Hour = $172
Per Week = $6,900
Per Month = $27,600
Per Year = $358,775
Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
-Original Message-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
--
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Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com
APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461
Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238
Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048
=
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist)
=
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Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
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the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by
Jeff Moad.
http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp
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RE: Becoming a DBA questions
We actually heard in the office today that one of our contacts is currently
forking ?120 PER HOUR for an Oracle contractor that has experience on UNIX /
AIX based systems. This guy is working on a 40 hour per week basis - and the
cash is paid directly to him! He is supposedly a very competent DBA.
With this in mind:
Per week = ?4,800
Per Month = ?19,200
Per Year = ?249,600 ()
I know these numbers may not be "true" as this guys is a contractor, and may
not have 52 weeks of the year booked up - but..
For you guys an' gals in the US that equates to:
Per Hour = $172
Per Week = $6,900
Per Month = $27,600
Per Year = $358,775
Now THAT'S what I call making REAL money!
-Original Message-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 January 2002 03:30
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Yeh, I thought wow as well
My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a
DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if
this is total bull
We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to
contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a
lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is
probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures
and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to
high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher
Cheers
--
=
Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com
APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461
Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238
Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048
=
A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist)
=
Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision"
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Lemme get this right.
This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not
even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?
That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.
Jared
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NYC is one of the higher paid areas and $150K is a bit high, even for here. 6 figures is not unreasonable for a more experienced DBA here, but unless you are consulting, I doubt you could get $150K a year --- Kimberly Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think if you are in the Bay area your salary tends to be a little > higher > and I don't think > that $150k is out of the question but that would be for a very > seasoned DBA. > I don't > know what the top range for a senior DBA is at my company but I am > pretty > sure its > in the 6 figure mark. But it costs a lot more to live in the Bay > area as > well. I think its > 20% more then the national average there and the salaries reflect > that. > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:30 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Yeh, I thought wow as well > My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of > money as a > DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just > curious if > this is total bull > > We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they > tend to > contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then > sometimes a > lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is > probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 > figures > and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like > midddle to > high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher > > > Cheers > > -- > = > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 > Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 >Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 > = > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot > do. > >- Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) > = > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" > > = > > > > > >"Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/01/2002 11:40 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Fax to: > Subject:RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > > 200K US$ ??? Wow > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > > > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > recipients of > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > TOUCH.COM>cc: > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming > a DBA > questions > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > m > > > 01/04/02 09:05 > AM > Please respond > to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA > Job by > Jeff Moad. > > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS >INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > Lists > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP
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I actually used to work for one of the originators of ITI. What she started for was not what it ended up being. She found that they were going away from teaching really. She got out of it as soon as they started to change directions. Made her pretty wealthy actually but I think she is sorry that it went in the direction that it did. I have worked with a lot of folks that came from ITI. Some where good, especially those that had a business degree before, and some just sucked. And they will continue to until they get a lot more experience. -Original Message- Iwaniec Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 4:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I wonder if the article is about a real person. Maybe it has been "created" by companies that run DBA courses and want to fiil classes. It reminds me ITI commercials. The company went down last summer, then was purchased by someone else and last October- November you could hear on the radio: "400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce are waiting..." Witold On 4 Jan 2002 at 14:00, Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > I'm sorry ... but "a little over $100K" + $7K is way over what any > reasonable person would pay for a newbie DBA! I stand by my previous message > ... this is full of crap unless he's doing more than DBA work! (Or the > company is EXTREMELY generous and I want on board!) > > Randy > > -Original Message- > WILLIAMS > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Note that the article doesn't say that he is making $150K. It says that at > his old position he was making a little over $100K, and getting Oracle > certified got him a $7K increase. Well, changing jobs and getting a 7% > increase isn't a big deal. It says that this position has a potential > maximum of $150K. I would rate the article as misleading but not an outright > lie. > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:20 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I agree also, I've been working with Oracle since > version 4 and the rates here in austin,tx are anywhere > from $35/hr to $75/hr, and chances are pretty slim finding > an company willing to pay $75/hr for an senior person, and > usually its an 1099 job when it comes to $75/hr job. > > dan whatley > > Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > > Either he's full of crap, or they're paying him way too much unless he has > > some other managerial responsibilities. The only way to make 200K is to be > a > > sought-after independent consultant (at $100 an hour or so). The going > rate > > in the Denver area is $40 - $60 an hour (sometimes up to $75, but never > > $100!) > > > > Randy > > > > -Original Message- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:16 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Lemme get this right. > > > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > > > Jared > > > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > > > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > TOUCH.COM>cc: > > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA > > questions > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > m > > > > 01/04/02 09:05 > > AM > > Please respond > > to ORACLE-L > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by > > Jeff Moad. > > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > &
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I think if you are in the Bay area your salary tends to be a little higher and I don't think that $150k is out of the question but that would be for a very seasoned DBA. I don't know what the top range for a senior DBA is at my company but I am pretty sure its in the 6 figure mark. But it costs a lot more to live in the Bay area as well. I think its 20% more then the national average there and the salaries reflect that. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:30 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions Yeh, I thought wow as well My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if this is total bull We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher Cheers --=Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Technical Consultant WWW: http://www.mincom.comAPAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461Brisbane, Australia Mobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048=A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. - Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist)=Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision"= "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/01/2002 11:40 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Fax to: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions200K US$ ??? Wow-Original Message-[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LLemme get this right.This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's noteven a senior DBA, where he can make 200k?That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now.Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TOUCH.COM> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBAquestions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-LThe following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled,the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job byJeff Moad.http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Sinard Xing INET: [EMAIL PRO
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Might be a marketing gimmick. Venkat -- On Mon, 07 Jan 2002 04:20:18 Witold Iwaniec wrote: >I wonder if the article is about a real person. Maybe it has been >"created" by companies that run DBA courses and want to fiil >classes. > >It reminds me ITI commercials. The company went down last >summer, then was purchased by someone else and last October- >November you could hear on the radio: >"400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce are waiting..." > >Witold > > >On 4 Jan 2002 at 14:00, Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > >> I'm sorry ... but "a little over $100K" + $7K is way over what any >> reasonable person would pay for a newbie DBA! I stand by my previous message >> ... this is full of crap unless he's doing more than DBA work! (Or the >> company is EXTREMELY generous and I want on board!) >> >> Randy >> >> -Original Message- >> WILLIAMS >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:15 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> >> >> Note that the article doesn't say that he is making $150K. It says that at >> his old position he was making a little over $100K, and getting Oracle >> certified got him a $7K increase. Well, changing jobs and getting a 7% >> increase isn't a big deal. It says that this position has a potential >> maximum of $150K. I would rate the article as misleading but not an outright >> lie. >> >> -Original Message- >> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:20 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> >> >> I agree also, I've been working with Oracle since >> version 4 and the rates here in austin,tx are anywhere >> from $35/hr to $75/hr, and chances are pretty slim finding >> an company willing to pay $75/hr for an senior person, and >> usually its an 1099 job when it comes to $75/hr job. >> >> dan whatley >> >> Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: >> > >> > Either he's full of crap, or they're paying him way too much unless he has >> > some other managerial responsibilities. The only way to make 200K is to be >> a >> > sought-after independent consultant (at $100 an hour or so). The going >> rate >> > in the Denver area is $40 - $60 an hour (sometimes up to $75, but never >> > $100!) >> > >> > Randy >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:16 AM >> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> > >> > Lemme get this right. >> > >> > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not >> > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? >> > >> > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. >> > >> > Jared >> > >> > DENNIS WILLIAMS >> > > > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > TOUCH.COM>cc: >> > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA >> > questions >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > m >> > >> > 01/04/02 09:05 >> > AM >> > Please respond >> > to ORACLE-L >> > >> > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets >> mangled, >> > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by >> > Jeff Moad. >> > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp >> > -- >> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >> > -- >> > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS >> > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >> > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists >> > >> > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >> > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >> > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >> > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >> > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). >> > >> > -- >> > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >> > -- >> >
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I wonder if the article is about a real person. Maybe it has been "created" by companies that run DBA courses and want to fiil classes. It reminds me ITI commercials. The company went down last summer, then was purchased by someone else and last October- November you could hear on the radio: "400,000 unfilled positions in e-commerce are waiting..." Witold On 4 Jan 2002 at 14:00, Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > I'm sorry ... but "a little over $100K" + $7K is way over what any > reasonable person would pay for a newbie DBA! I stand by my previous message > ... this is full of crap unless he's doing more than DBA work! (Or the > company is EXTREMELY generous and I want on board!) > > Randy > > -Original Message- > WILLIAMS > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Note that the article doesn't say that he is making $150K. It says that at > his old position he was making a little over $100K, and getting Oracle > certified got him a $7K increase. Well, changing jobs and getting a 7% > increase isn't a big deal. It says that this position has a potential > maximum of $150K. I would rate the article as misleading but not an outright > lie. > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:20 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I agree also, I've been working with Oracle since > version 4 and the rates here in austin,tx are anywhere > from $35/hr to $75/hr, and chances are pretty slim finding > an company willing to pay $75/hr for an senior person, and > usually its an 1099 job when it comes to $75/hr job. > > dan whatley > > Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > > > > Either he's full of crap, or they're paying him way too much unless he has > > some other managerial responsibilities. The only way to make 200K is to be > a > > sought-after independent consultant (at $100 an hour or so). The going > rate > > in the Denver area is $40 - $60 an hour (sometimes up to $75, but never > > $100!) > > > > Randy > > > > -Original Message- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:16 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > Lemme get this right. > > > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > > > Jared > > > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > > > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > TOUCH.COM>cc: > > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA > > questions > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > m > > > > 01/04/02 09:05 > > AM > > Please respond > > to ORACLE-L > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by > > Jeff Moad. > > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the n
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Yeh, I thought wow as well My question is this is it really possible to earn that sort of money as a DBA in the US?, and no I aint looking for a job over there. Just curious if this is total bull We hear rumours routinely about salary levels in the US and they tend to contradict themselves sometimes figures such as this and then sometimes a lot, lot less. But then the same applies to the market here. There is probably a couple of key DBA's in Sydney and Melbourne that are 6 figures and then there is a lot of DBA's over here that earn more like midddle to high 5 figure incomes. Sydney figures always are or should be higher Cheers -- = Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical Consultant WWW: http://www.mincom.com APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 Brisbane, Australia Mobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 = A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. - Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) = Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" = "Sinard Xing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/01/2002 11:40 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Fax to: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions 200K US$ ??? Wow -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lemme get this right. This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TOUCH.COM> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sinard Xing INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is confidential information. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by the Mincom Group of companies unless expressly stated otherwise.
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200K US$ ??? Wow -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 January 2002 02:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lemme get this right. This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS TOUCH.COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sinard Xing INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I'm sorry ... but "a little over $100K" + $7K is way over what any reasonable person would pay for a newbie DBA! I stand by my previous message ... this is full of crap unless he's doing more than DBA work! (Or the company is EXTREMELY generous and I want on board!) Randy -Original Message- WILLIAMS Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Note that the article doesn't say that he is making $150K. It says that at his old position he was making a little over $100K, and getting Oracle certified got him a $7K increase. Well, changing jobs and getting a 7% increase isn't a big deal. It says that this position has a potential maximum of $150K. I would rate the article as misleading but not an outright lie. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I agree also, I've been working with Oracle since version 4 and the rates here in austin,tx are anywhere from $35/hr to $75/hr, and chances are pretty slim finding an company willing to pay $75/hr for an senior person, and usually its an 1099 job when it comes to $75/hr job. dan whatley Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > > Either he's full of crap, or they're paying him way too much unless he has > some other managerial responsibilities. The only way to make 200K is to be a > sought-after independent consultant (at $100 an hour or so). The going rate > in the Denver area is $40 - $60 an hour (sometimes up to $75, but never > $100!) > > Randy > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > TOUCH.COM>cc: > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA > questions > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > m > > 01/04/02 09:05 > AM > Please respond > to ORACLE-L > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by > Jeff Moad. > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Randy Kirkpatrick > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dan Whatley INET: [
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Note that the article doesn't say that he is making $150K. It says that at his old position he was making a little over $100K, and getting Oracle certified got him a $7K increase. Well, changing jobs and getting a 7% increase isn't a big deal. It says that this position has a potential maximum of $150K. I would rate the article as misleading but not an outright lie. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I agree also, I've been working with Oracle since version 4 and the rates here in austin,tx are anywhere from $35/hr to $75/hr, and chances are pretty slim finding an company willing to pay $75/hr for an senior person, and usually its an 1099 job when it comes to $75/hr job. dan whatley Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > > Either he's full of crap, or they're paying him way too much unless he has > some other managerial responsibilities. The only way to make 200K is to be a > sought-after independent consultant (at $100 an hour or so). The going rate > in the Denver area is $40 - $60 an hour (sometimes up to $75, but never > $100!) > > Randy > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > TOUCH.COM>cc: > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA > questions > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > m > > 01/04/02 09:05 > AM > Please respond > to ORACLE-L > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by > Jeff Moad. > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Randy Kirkpatrick > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dan Whatley INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Actually I saw a column called Rumors on the page and I think this document belongs there. Total Crap... I think It is to mislead people who are currently looking for job to change their focus to do DBA Certification. May be all the RDBMS vendors Jointly paid money to put this article on the magazine. Srikanth -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 2:11 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I also read this article today morning. After reading this article I got so much fed up with eweek news, I un-subscribed it from my mail system. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lemme get this right. This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS TOUCH.COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Valuthur, Srikanth INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Becoming a DBA questions
I agree also, I've been working with Oracle since version 4 and the rates here in austin,tx are anywhere from $35/hr to $75/hr, and chances are pretty slim finding an company willing to pay $75/hr for an senior person, and usually its an 1099 job when it comes to $75/hr job. dan whatley Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > > Either he's full of crap, or they're paying him way too much unless he has > some other managerial responsibilities. The only way to make 200K is to be a > sought-after independent consultant (at $100 an hour or so). The going rate > in the Denver area is $40 - $60 an hour (sometimes up to $75, but never > $100!) > > Randy > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > TOUCH.COM>cc: > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA > questions > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > m > > 01/04/02 09:05 > AM > Please respond > to ORACLE-L > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by > Jeff Moad. > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Randy Kirkpatrick > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dan Whatley INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Becoming a DBA questions
Or maybe this is one of the reasons the price of a Rx is so high. I know Pharmacutical reps make quite a bit of money too. Just a thought Randy Kirkpatrick wrote: > Either he's full of crap, or they're paying him way too much unless he has > some other managerial responsibilities. The only way to make 200K is to be a > sought-after independent consultant (at $100 an hour or so). The going rate > in the Denver area is $40 - $60 an hour (sometimes up to $75, but never > $100!) > > Randy > > -Original Message- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > TOUCH.COM>cc: > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA > questions > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > m > > 01/04/02 09:05 > AM > Please respond > to ORACLE-L > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by > Jeff Moad. > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Randy Kirkpatrick > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Darlene Marley INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
I also read this article today morning. After reading this article I got so much fed up with eweek news, I un-subscribed it from my mail system. Rao -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lemme get this right. This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS TOUCH.COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rao, Maheswara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
I was really hoping he was using the "Joe Testa new math method". Otherwise I'll also be very depressed. Barb > -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:15 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > Lemme get this right. > > This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not > even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? > > That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. > > Jared > > > > > > DENNIS WILLIAMS > > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > TOUCH.COM>cc: > > Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA > questions > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > m > > > > > > 01/04/02 09:05 > > AM > > Please respond > > to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets > mangled, > the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by > Jeff Moad. > http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Baker, Barbara INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Where did I put that resume? Sounds like time to go prowling!! Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/4/2002 10:15 AM Lemme get this right. This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS TOUCH.COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Either he's full of crap, or they're paying him way too much unless he has some other managerial responsibilities. The only way to make 200K is to be a sought-after independent consultant (at $100 an hour or so). The going rate in the Denver area is $40 - $60 an hour (sometimes up to $75, but never $100!) Randy -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:16 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lemme get this right. This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS TOUCH.COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Randy Kirkpatrick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Very misleading article, which may paint the world in bright blue colors for upcoming/wannabe DBAs... Alternatively, a nice piece of fiction work to forward to a superior...;) Gary Weber Senior DBA Charles Jones, LLC||Superior Information Services, LLC 609-530-1144, ext 5529 -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 1:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lemme get this right. This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS TOUCH.COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gary Weber INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Lemme get this right. This guy is a *new* DBA. He's making 150k and he's not even a senior DBA, where he can make 200k? That's all from me. I'm gonna go sulk now. Jared DENNIS WILLIAMS TOUCH.COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 01/04/02 09:05 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
The following eweek article might be of interest. If the link gets mangled, the article is at http://www.eweek.com Following the Data to a DBA Job by Jeff Moad. http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D703%2526a%253D20563,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Ok I guess I deserve any comments that come out of this. Take the K out of that. -Original Message- Smith Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I received the same bonus with my company. Not offered anymore though. That was back when companies where flashing around the big bucks. -Original Message- Baumgartel Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wow, Joe, $1000K for taking the tests? That's what I call an incentive! ;-) PB --- Joe Testa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kimberly, I'm with you and like you I only took the 8 test because at > > the time, my employer paid for the tests and gave me a bonus to pass > them(like $250/test and $1000K when all done, if i remember > correctly), > so i had incentive :). > > Joe > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Baumgartel INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
I received the same bonus with my company. Not offered anymore though. That was back when companies where flashing around the big bucks. -Original Message- Baumgartel Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 9:25 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wow, Joe, $1000K for taking the tests? That's what I call an incentive! ;-) PB --- Joe Testa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kimberly, I'm with you and like you I only took the 8 test because at > > the time, my employer paid for the tests and gave me a bonus to pass > them(like $250/test and $1000K when all done, if i remember > correctly), > so i had incentive :). > > Joe > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Baumgartel INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
I went from fertilizer industry to oracle and things worked out ok. from what I've seen, going from networking to theatre seems like a similar natural progression. Date sent: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:05:21 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Community Forum) Number 003 From: "Peddycoart, Judy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:46:32 -0600 Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions ... > His intent is to work full time as a network admin type while he goes > to a four-year college part-time. He eventually wants to get a degree > in theatre arts, ... -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Becoming a DBA questions
Actually, I passed it on to my supervisor with a brief (cynical) comment. Stephen>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/03/02 03:35PM >>>Paul, just goes to show how many people on the listserv have me in theirkillfile, since you're the only one that caught it.joePaul Baumgartel wrote:> > Wow, Joe, $1000K for taking the tests? That's what I call an> incentive! ;-)> > PB> --- Joe Testa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Kimberly, I'm with you and like you I only took the 8 test because at> >> > the time, my employer paid for the tests and gave me a bonus to pass> > them(like $250/test and $1000K when all done, if i remember> > correctly),> > so i had incentive :).> >> > Joe> >> >> > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Send your FREE holiday greetings online!> http://greetings.yahoo.com> --> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com> --> Author: Paul Baumgartel> INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051> San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists> > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message> to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in> the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L> (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may> also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing)-- Joe Testa, Oracle DBAWant to have a good time with a bunch of geeks? Check out:http://www.geekcruises.com/standard_interface/future_cruises.htmlI'm presenting, when registering drop my name :)-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com-- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Becoming a DBA questions
Paul, just goes to show how many people on the listserv have me in their killfile, since you're the only one that caught it. joe Paul Baumgartel wrote: > > Wow, Joe, $1000K for taking the tests? That's what I call an > incentive! ;-) > > PB > --- Joe Testa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kimberly, I'm with you and like you I only took the 8 test because at > > > > the time, my employer paid for the tests and gave me a bonus to pass > > them(like $250/test and $1000K when all done, if i remember > > correctly), > > so i had incentive :). > > > > Joe > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Paul Baumgartel > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing) -- Joe Testa, Oracle DBA Want to have a good time with a bunch of geeks? Check out: http://www.geekcruises.com/standard_interface/future_cruises.html I'm presenting, when registering drop my name :) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Becoming a DBA questions
Wow, Joe, $1000K for taking the tests? That's what I call an incentive! ;-) PB --- Joe Testa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kimberly, I'm with you and like you I only took the 8 test because at > > the time, my employer paid for the tests and gave me a bonus to pass > them(like $250/test and $1000K when all done, if i remember > correctly), > so i had incentive :). > > Joe > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Baumgartel INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Dear Gurus, It is very interesting to read all the different responses to this posting. I thought that I should add some of my observations during the past few months of job hunting. I am a trained accountant and had about 3 years of Oracle Financials (Functional) experience both as an accountant and as a consultant. 2 years ago, I had to deviate from Oracle to work in the Dubai Internet City in finance/web consultancy. The market conditions in Dubai wasn't as conducive as I thought and therefore I started to pursue the OCP 8i DBA track on my own in my free time. Almost a year later, I managed to past all the 5 papers for OCP 8i DBA in Nov 01 and had to move to the UK. I thought that with the OCP plus Oracle apps experience, I should have no problem securing a job in that arena. However, I don't even get past recruitment agents in the UK bec of lack of DBA experience. Most of the pre-requisites includes > 2 years of experience of pperating systems and even Oracle 7 upwards. Even "Junior Oracle DBA" roles require at least 9 months of commercial experience! To me, its the same old question: "how can any one get any commercial experience at all?" As if that isn't bad enough, I don't even get a lot of interests for my applications for Oracle Financials functional positions because I haven't got any experience in the latest (R11.x.x.x - yes that precise level of experience) version even though I have implemented R11 albeit nearly 2 years ago. To me, accounting is accounting. Not matter how many new features you have, as an accountant, I still need the core functionalities! It must either be the bad state of the economy or that there must be something wrong in the recruitment process. I would like to think that it is the former. As a result, I have become somewhat disappointed and have changed my job hunting focus. Luckily for me, I have managed to land myself on a Business Analyst role with a company that is using Oracle DBs. I will of course be finding ways to volunteer to use my, at best theoretical, knowledge in Oracle 8i. My advice: don't give up easily but be prepared to have to go the round-about way. Cheers Pete _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Pete Wang INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
. Most >>technical resumes are still screened by by the HR departments first, >>before the hiring managers even see them. A good recruiter will be able >>to identify whether you have the experience or not. If not, they will >>defer a judgment call to the hiring IT manager anyway. That doesn't >>mean that you should lie on your resume or deceive anyone. But don't >>shoot yourself in the foot before you even get your foot in the door. >> >> >> >>Annual salaries for DBAs are, indeed, coming down. If you can get ahold >>of a good IT salary survey, make note of not only the average salary, >>but the median salary. The median salary is what is commonly used to >>benchmark a position--not the average salary. If a formal salary >>structure exists at a company, they will normally use the median as the >>compa-ratio for the particular paygrade or step. Use common sense, do >>your homework, and ask what you're worth; but always leave room for >>compromise. >> >> >> >>MS Access IS a relational database. However it is a file-server >>application, not a client-server database, and was not designed to >>handle large transactional systems over a large network. It is designed >>for small to medium sized, non mission-critical business environments. >>Properly designed, MS Access can serve many purposes, but you will never >>find Payroll or Financial systems using MS Access as a db platform or >>front-end. MS Access is a great environment for learning databases and >>SQL, but it is only a starting point. >> >> >> >>Concerning Oracle training--use everything that you can afford. If it's >>a career-change, then consider formal Oracle University instructor-led >>training classes. If you're already in the field, then self-study may >>work. It takes tremendous self-discipline to go the self-study route >>with books and CDS or online training. >> >> >> >>People who say that the OCP is valueless to the market have never >>tested. I say to them--why not test? >> >> >> >>Edward Lock >> >>Sr. Programmer Analyst >> >>PeopleSoft Project Office, University of Houston System >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>- Original Message - >> >>*From:* Karniotis, Stephen >> >>*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2001 12:08 PM >> >>*To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> >>*Subject:* RE: Becoming a DBA questions >> >> >> >>Good afternoon all: >> >> I have been holding back on replying to this email because I really >>wanted to see what some of the other answers were, especially ones >>related >>to OCP. Rachel C. will understand as my answers will be very direct. >> >>1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? >> > Or > >>a position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA? >> >>> As a person that has worked as an Oracle DBA for over 13 >>years, the entry-level salary had changed quite dramatically. From >> > the > >>mid-to late 1990s when starting DBAs could make upwards of 100K to >>"REALITY" >>when entry-level DBAs should be making no more than 70K. Some may >>disagree, >>however, I don't think paying high salaries is warranted just >>because the >>person is a DBA. If they don't have the experience, they don't >>deserve the >>high monetary return. I would say that 50K is probably on the high >>end for >>entry-level DBAs. The days of high salaries, similarly the high >>consulting >>rates, are gone and organizations are now back to reality. I >>actually had >>someone whom has been out of work for over 6 months refuse a salary >>of 65K >>as a DBA because he felt it was demeaning for him to accept it. >> >>2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or would >>that set me up for no phone calls? >> >>> I disagree with everyone else regarding not using >>"entry-level" on your resume. If you have no experience and you are >>looking >>to work in a team environment, then using this wording is >>acceptable. You >>will have to pick the job postings carefully so you don't send >>resumes to >>organizations that require lots of experience. If you can control >> > that,
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
You're right - it keeps me gainfully employed! :) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Judy, Of course they are. After all, that's what they sell. Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 > -Original Message- > From: Peddycoart, Judy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > I don't yet have my OCP, but my boss is encouraging me to go for it. > The > higher ed types seem to be impressed by pieces of paper! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Whittle Jerome Contr NCI INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Peddycoart, Judy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Judy, Of course they are. After all, that's what they sell. Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 > -Original Message- > From: Peddycoart, Judy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > I don't yet have my OCP, but my boss is encouraging me to go for it. > The > higher ed types seem to be impressed by pieces of paper! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Whittle Jerome Contr NCI INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
ve the experience or not. If not, they will >>defer a judgment call to the hiring IT manager anyway. That doesn't >>mean that you should lie on your resume or deceive anyone. But don't >>shoot yourself in the foot before you even get your foot in the door. >> >> >> >>Annual salaries for DBAs are, indeed, coming down. If you can get ahold >>of a good IT salary survey, make note of not only the average salary, >>but the median salary. The median salary is what is commonly used to >>benchmark a position--not the average salary. If a formal salary >>structure exists at a company, they will normally use the median as the >>compa-ratio for the particular paygrade or step. Use common sense, do >>your homework, and ask what you're worth; but always leave room for >>compromise. >> >> >> >>MS Access IS a relational database. However it is a file-server >>application, not a client-server database, and was not designed to >>handle large transactional systems over a large network. It is designed >>for small to medium sized, non mission-critical business environments. >>Properly designed, MS Access can serve many purposes, but you will never >>find Payroll or Financial systems using MS Access as a db platform or >>front-end. MS Access is a great environment for learning databases and >>SQL, but it is only a starting point. >> >> >> >>Concerning Oracle training--use everything that you can afford. If it's >>a career-change, then consider formal Oracle University instructor-led >>training classes. If you're already in the field, then self-study may >>work. It takes tremendous self-discipline to go the self-study route >>with books and CDS or online training. >> >> >> >>People who say that the OCP is valueless to the market have never >>tested. I say to them--why not test? >> >> >> >>Edward Lock >> >>Sr. Programmer Analyst >> >>PeopleSoft Project Office, University of Houston System >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>- Original Message - >> >>*From:* Karniotis, Stephen >> >>*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2001 12:08 PM >> >>*To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> >>*Subject:* RE: Becoming a DBA questions >> >> >> >>Good afternoon all: >> >> I have been holding back on replying to this email because I really >>wanted to see what some of the other answers were, especially ones >>related >>to OCP. Rachel C. will understand as my answers will be very direct. >> >>1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? >> > Or > >>a position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA? >> >>> As a person that has worked as an Oracle DBA for over 13 >>years, the entry-level salary had changed quite dramatically. From >> > the > >>mid-to late 1990s when starting DBAs could make upwards of 100K to >>"REALITY" >>when entry-level DBAs should be making no more than 70K. Some may >>disagree, >>however, I don't think paying high salaries is warranted just >>because the >>person is a DBA. If they don't have the experience, they don't >>deserve the >>high monetary return. I would say that 50K is probably on the high >>end for >>entry-level DBAs. The days of high salaries, similarly the high >>consulting >>rates, are gone and organizations are now back to reality. I >>actually had >>someone whom has been out of work for over 6 months refuse a salary >>of 65K >>as a DBA because he felt it was demeaning for him to accept it. >> >>2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or would >>that set me up for no phone calls? >> >>> I disagree with everyone else regarding not using >>"entry-level" on your resume. If you have no experience and you are >>looking >>to work in a team environment, then using this wording is >>acceptable. You >>will have to pick the job postings carefully so you don't send >>resumes to >>organizations that require lots of experience. If you can control >> > that, > >>then remove "entry-level" and use "junior" instead. >> >>3. What are some steps I should take to becoming a DBA w/ the >>background
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
No, Access *IS* a
relational database!
I almost want to add ;P
to the end of that, but it's true! It's just a "compact" relational database,
that resides in one file. It is still SQL based, and geared around objects such
as tables, indexes etc.
A poor man's RDBMS.. That
does the trick quite nicely for the niche that it's in..
Happy New Year everyone!!
Trying to get back in to the swing of things now eh!!
May you all have a
prosperous one!
Cheers
Mark
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Boivin, Patrice JSent:
02 January 2002 12:40To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Did you mean... "MS SQL
Server is a relational database" and not MS Access?
Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Acting Head, System Admin & Operations
Bedford Institute of Oceanography
Fisheries and Oceans Canada
-Original Message-From: Edward Lock
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:50
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re:
Becoming a DBA questions
As someone with 7 years in the HR (Compensation) field, and
now in the IT/ERP field working on my Oracle DBA OCP, I can speak with some
knowledge and experience.
Using the term "Entry Level" on a resume is self-defeating. Most
technical resumes are still screened by by the HR departments first, before
the hiring managers even see them. A good recruiter will be able to
identify whether you have the experience or not. If not, they will
defer a judgment call to the hiring IT manager anyway. That doesn't
mean that you should lie on your resume or deceive anyone. But don't
shoot yourself in the foot before you even get your foot in the
door.
Annual salaries for DBAs are, indeed, coming down. If you
can get ahold of a good IT salary survey, make note of not only the
average salary, but the median salary. The median salary is what is
commonly used to benchmark a position--not the average salary.
If a formal salary structure exists at a company, they will normally use the
median as the compa-ratio for the particular paygrade or step. Use
common sense, do your homework, and ask what you're worth; but always
leave room for compromise.
MS Access IS a relational database. However it is a file-server
application, not a client-server database, and was not designed to
handle large transactional systems over a large network. It is
designed for small to medium sized, non mission-critical business
environments. Properly designed, MS Access can serve many purposes,
but you will never find Payroll or Financial systems using MS Access as a db
platform or front-end. MS Access is a great environment for learning
databases and SQL, but it is only a starting point.
Concerning Oracle training--use everything that you can afford.
If it's a career-change, then consider formal Oracle University
instructor-led training classes. If you're already in the field, then
self-study may work. It takes tremendous self-discipline to go the
self-study route with books and CDS or online training.
People who say that the OCP is valueless to the market have never
tested. I say to them--why not test?
Edward Lock
Sr. Programmer Analyst
PeopleSoft Project Office, University of Houston System
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
Karniotis, Stephen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:08
PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA
questions
Good afternoon all: I have been
holding back on replying to this email because I reallywanted to see
what some of the other answers were, especially ones relatedto
OCP. Rachel C. will understand as my answers will be very
direct.1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA
position? Ora position for someone who is just starting out as a
DBA?>>> As a person that has worked as an Oracle DBA for over
13years, the entry-level salary had changed quite dramatically.
From themid-to late 1990s when starting DBAs could make upwards of
100K to "REALITY"when entry-level DBAs should be making no more than
70K. Some may disagree,however, I don't think paying high
salaries is warranted just because theperson is a DBA. If they
don't have the experience, they don't deserve thehigh monetary
return. I would say that 50K is probably on the high end
forentry-level DBAs. The days of high salaries, similarly the
high con
RE: Becoming a DBA questions
Did you mean... "MS SQL
Server is a relational database" and not MS Access?
Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle DBA) Acting Head, System Admin & Operations
Bedford Institute of Oceanography
Fisheries and Oceans Canada
-Original Message-From: Edward Lock
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:50
PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re:
Becoming a DBA questions
As someone with 7 years in the HR (Compensation) field, and now
in the IT/ERP field working on my Oracle DBA OCP, I can speak with some
knowledge and experience.
Using the term "Entry Level" on a resume is self-defeating. Most
technical resumes are still screened by by the HR departments first, before
the hiring managers even see them. A good recruiter will be able to
identify whether you have the experience or not. If not, they will defer
a judgment call to the hiring IT manager anyway. That doesn't mean that
you should lie on your resume or deceive anyone. But don't shoot
yourself in the foot before you even get your foot in the door.
Annual salaries for DBAs are, indeed, coming down. If you can
get ahold of a good IT salary survey, make note of not only the average
salary, but the median salary. The median salary is what is commonly
used to benchmark a position--not the average salary. If a formal
salary structure exists at a company, they will normally use the median as the
compa-ratio for the particular paygrade or step. Use common sense, do
your homework, and ask what you're worth; but always leave room for
compromise.
MS Access IS a relational database. However it is a file-server
application, not a client-server database, and was not designed to handle
large transactional systems over a large network. It is designed for
small to medium sized, non mission-critical business environments.
Properly designed, MS Access can serve many purposes, but you will never find
Payroll or Financial systems using MS Access as a db platform or
front-end. MS Access is a great environment for learning databases and
SQL, but it is only a starting point.
Concerning Oracle training--use everything that you can afford. If
it's a career-change, then consider formal Oracle University instructor-led
training classes. If you're already in the field, then self-study may
work. It takes tremendous self-discipline to go the self-study route
with books and CDS or online training.
People who say that the OCP is valueless to the market have never
tested. I say to them--why not test?
Edward Lock
Sr. Programmer Analyst
PeopleSoft Project Office, University of Houston System
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
Karniotis, Stephen
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:08
PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA
questions
Good afternoon all: I have been holding
back on replying to this email because I reallywanted to see what some
of the other answers were, especially ones relatedto OCP. Rachel
C. will understand as my answers will be very direct.1. What is the
average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? Ora position for
someone who is just starting out as a DBA?>>> As a person that
has worked as an Oracle DBA for over 13years, the entry-level salary had
changed quite dramatically. From themid-to late 1990s when
starting DBAs could make upwards of 100K to "REALITY"when entry-level
DBAs should be making no more than 70K. Some may disagree,however,
I don't think paying high salaries is warranted just because theperson
is a DBA. If they don't have the experience, they don't deserve
thehigh monetary return. I would say that 50K is probably on the
high end forentry-level DBAs. The days of high salaries, similarly
the high consultingrates, are gone and organizations are now back to
reality. I actually hadsomeone whom has been out of work for over
6 months refuse a salary of 65Kas a DBA because he felt it was demeaning
for him to accept it.2. In a job resume, should I request an
entry-level position or wouldthat set me up for no phone
calls?>>> I disagree with everyone else regarding not
using"entry-level" on your resume. If you have no experience and
you are lookingto work in a team environment, then using this wording is
acceptable. Youwill have to pick the job postings carefully so you
don't send resumes toorganizations that require lots of
experience. If you can control that,then remove "entry-level" and
use "junior" instead.3. What are some steps I should take to
becoming a DBA w/ thebackground that
Re: Becoming a DBA questions
I've tested OCP... and it's not that it is totally valueless (if nothing else it can show that someone is willing to learn) but that WHAT OCP teaches you does not tend to apply in the real world. I won't reject a resume out-of-hand if they have OCP on it, but they'd better have something else that tells me that they have the ability to think beyond what they've been taught. OCP teaches you to parrot back Oracle's preferred method of doing things (btw, only having GUI experience on your resume does the same). I want someone who can think for themselves as well --- Edward Lock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As someone with 7 years in the HR (Compensation) field, and now in > the IT/ERP field working on my Oracle DBA OCP, I can speak with some > knowledge and experience. > > Using the term "Entry Level" on a resume is self-defeating. Most > technical resumes are still screened by by the HR departments first, > before the hiring managers even see them. A good recruiter will be > able to identify whether you have the experience or not. If not, > they will defer a judgment call to the hiring IT manager anyway. > That doesn't mean that you should lie on your resume or deceive > anyone. But don't shoot yourself in the foot before you even get > your foot in the door. > > Annual salaries for DBAs are, indeed, coming down. If you can get > ahold of a good IT salary survey, make note of not only the average > salary, but the median salary. The median salary is what is commonly > used to benchmark a position--not the average salary. If a formal > salary structure exists at a company, they will normally use the > median as the compa-ratio for the particular paygrade or step. Use > common sense, do your homework, and ask what you're worth; but always > leave room for compromise. > > MS Access IS a relational database. However it is a file-server > application, not a client-server database, and was not designed to > handle large transactional systems over a large network. It is > designed for small to medium sized, non mission-critical business > environments. Properly designed, MS Access can serve many purposes, > but you will never find Payroll or Financial systems using MS Access > as a db platform or front-end. MS Access is a great environment for > learning databases and SQL, but it is only a starting point. > > Concerning Oracle training--use everything that you can afford. If > it's a career-change, then consider formal Oracle University > instructor-led training classes. If you're already in the field, > then self-study may work. It takes tremendous self-discipline to go > the self-study route with books and CDS or online training. > > People who say that the OCP is valueless to the market have never > tested. I say to them--why not test? > > Edward Lock > Sr. Programmer Analyst > PeopleSoft Project Office, University of Houston System > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Original Message - > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:08 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Good afternoon all: > >I have been holding back on replying to this email because I > really > wanted to see what some of the other answers were, especially ones > related > to OCP. Rachel C. will understand as my answers will be very direct. > > 1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? > Or > a position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA? > >>> As a person that has worked as an Oracle DBA for over 13 > years, the entry-level salary had changed quite dramatically. From > the > mid-to late 1990s when starting DBAs could make upwards of 100K to > "REALITY" > when entry-level DBAs should be making no more than 70K. Some may > disagree, > however, I don't think paying high salaries is warranted just because > the > person is a DBA. If they don't have the experience, they don't > deserve the > high monetary return. I would say that 50K is probably on the high > end for > entry-level DBAs. The days of high salaries, similarly the high > consulting > rates, are gone and organizations are now back to reality. I > actually had > someone whom has been out of work for over 6 months refuse a salary > of 65K > as a DBA because he felt it was demeaning for him to accept it. > > 2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or would > that set me up for no phone calls? > >>> I disagree with everyone else regarding not using > "entry-level" on your resume. If you have no experience and you are > looking > to work in a team environment, then using this wording is acceptable. > You > will have to pick the job postings carefully so you don't send > resumes to > organizations that require lots of experience. If you can control > that, > then remove "entry-level" and use "junior" instead. > > 3. What are some steps I should take to becoming a DBA w/ the > background that I have (ie. generated databases w/ MS Access)? > >>> Well, MS Access, although people con
Re: Becoming a DBA questions
ut you will never >>find Payroll or Financial systems using MS Access as a db platform or >>front-end. MS Access is a great environment for learning databases and >>SQL, but it is only a starting point. >> >> >> >>Concerning Oracle training--use everything that you can afford. If it's >>a career-change, then consider formal Oracle University instructor-led >>training classes. If you're already in the field, then self-study may >>work. It takes tremendous self-discipline to go the self-study route >>with books and CDS or online training. >> >> >> >>People who say that the OCP is valueless to the market have never >>tested. I say to them--why not test? >> >> >> >>Edward Lock >> >>Sr. Programmer Analyst >> >>PeopleSoft Project Office, University of Houston System >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>- Original Message - >> >>*From:* Karniotis, Stephen >> >>*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2001 12:08 PM >> >>*To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> >>*Subject:* RE: Becoming a DBA questions >> >> >> >>Good afternoon all: >> >> I have been holding back on replying to this email because I really >>wanted to see what some of the other answers were, especially ones >>related >>to OCP. Rachel C. will understand as my answers will be very direct. >> >>1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? >> > Or > >>a position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA? >> >>> As a person that has worked as an Oracle DBA for over 13 >>years, the entry-level salary had changed quite dramatically. From >> > the > >>mid-to late 1990s when starting DBAs could make upwards of 100K to >>"REALITY" >>when entry-level DBAs should be making no more than 70K. Some may >>disagree, >>however, I don't think paying high salaries is warranted just >>because the >>person is a DBA. If they don't have the experience, they don't >>deserve the >>high monetary return. I would say that 50K is probably on the high >>end for >>entry-level DBAs. The days of high salaries, similarly the high >>consulting >>rates, are gone and organizations are now back to reality. I >>actually had >>someone whom has been out of work for over 6 months refuse a salary >>of 65K >>as a DBA because he felt it was demeaning for him to accept it. >> >>2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or would >>that set me up for no phone calls? >> >>> I disagree with everyone else regarding not using >>"entry-level" on your resume. If you have no experience and you are >>looking >>to work in a team environment, then using this wording is >>acceptable. You >>will have to pick the job postings carefully so you don't send >>resumes to >>organizations that require lots of experience. If you can control >> > that, > >>then remove "entry-level" and use "junior" instead. >> >>3. What are some steps I should take to becoming a DBA w/ the >>background that I have (ie. generated databases w/ MS Access)? >> >>> Well, MS Access, although people consider this a relational >>database, is not. It is a file system that looks like a relational >>database. Generating databases in MS Access is nothing like creating >>database environments in Oracle. You will honestly need to start from >>scratch. The data modeling and application database creating may be >>similar >>if you followed the normalization rules and generally accepted >>guidelines. >>I would highly recommend using either Oracle's online learning >> > network, > >>locating a college/university where they teach Oracle. These do >>exist as I >>have taught several of these classes in Michigan. I would highly >>recommend >>contacting the Los Angeles Oracle User's Group for the location of >>courses >>that are taught. >>If you are a devoted person when it comes to online training, then >>Oracle online learning is a good start. There are other >>organizations that >>offer Oracle online training, however, I don't remember their names. >
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sted. I say to them--why not test? > > > > Edward Lock > > Sr. Programmer Analyst > > PeopleSoft Project Office, University of Houston System > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Karniotis, Stephen > > *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2001 12:08 PM > > *To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > *Subject:* RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > > Good afternoon all: > >I have been holding back on replying to this email because I really > wanted to see what some of the other answers were, especially ones > related > to OCP. Rachel C. will understand as my answers will be very direct. > > 1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? Or > a position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA? > >>> As a person that has worked as an Oracle DBA for over 13 > years, the entry-level salary had changed quite dramatically. From the > mid-to late 1990s when starting DBAs could make upwards of 100K to > "REALITY" > when entry-level DBAs should be making no more than 70K. Some may > disagree, > however, I don't think paying high salaries is warranted just > because the > person is a DBA. If they don't have the experience, they don't > deserve the > high monetary return. I would say that 50K is probably on the high > end for > entry-level DBAs. The days of high salaries, similarly the high > consulting > rates, are gone and organizations are now back to reality. I > actually had > someone whom has been out of work for over 6 months refuse a salary > of 65K > as a DBA because he felt it was demeaning for him to accept it. > > 2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or would > that set me up for no phone calls? > >>> I disagree with everyone else regarding not using > "entry-level" on your resume. If you have no experience and you are > looking > to work in a team environment, then using this wording is > acceptable. You > will have to pick the job postings carefully so you don't send > resumes to > organizations that require lots of experience. If you can control that, > then remove "entry-level" and use "junior" instead. > > 3. What are some steps I should take to becoming a DBA w/ the > background that I have (ie. generated databases w/ MS Access)? > >>> Well, MS Access, although people consider this a relational > database, is not. It is a file system that looks like a relational > database. Generating databases in MS Access is nothing like creating > database environments in Oracle. You will honestly need to start from > scratch. The data modeling and application database creating may be > similar > if you followed the normalization rules and generally accepted > guidelines. > I would highly recommend using either Oracle's online learning network, > locating a college/university where they teach Oracle. These do > exist as I > have taught several of these classes in Michigan. I would highly > recommend > contacting the Los Angeles Oracle User's Group for the location of > courses > that are taught. > If you are a devoted person when it comes to online training, then > Oracle online learning is a good start. There are other > organizations that > offer Oracle online training, however, I don't remember their names. > Understand that online training only provides you the bare basics. > It is > not going to give you the exposure and experience needed to be a > true DBA. > a) Recommended training/education in Los Angeles area? > b) Where do you recommend I study & is online training valuable? > > 4. If I could learn Oracle software on my own through Independent study > (books & reference sites), could this be sufficient enough to go > about to > get a job? > >>> OK. This is where I disagree with everyone. The OCP is valueless > to the market. It looks good on the resume because almost no > organization > really understands how it is obtained. As one of the authors for > the first > independent Oracle certification, we designed the certification exam > so that > inexperienced Oracle DBAs COULD NOT pass it. It required > Experience!!! The > Oracle OCP only requires you to take some training, read some books, and > then
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Edward, i beg to differ, the ONLY thing that OCP is good for is a discriminator between to evenly qualified/interviewed candidates. As someone who does hiring of oracle DBAs and who's been one for 10 years and is OCP, I'm skeptical of those who make a big deal out of being OCP, since that tends to make me believe that they DONT have the experience to back it up. Joe 8 and 8i OCP(but rarely makes it known). Edward Lock wrote: > As someone with 7 years in the HR (Compensation) field, and now in the > IT/ERP field working on my Oracle DBA OCP, I can speak with some > knowledge and experience. > > > > Using the term "Entry Level" on a resume is self-defeating. Most > technical resumes are still screened by by the HR departments first, > before the hiring managers even see them. A good recruiter will be able > to identify whether you have the experience or not. If not, they will > defer a judgment call to the hiring IT manager anyway. That doesn't > mean that you should lie on your resume or deceive anyone. But don't > shoot yourself in the foot before you even get your foot in the door. > > > > Annual salaries for DBAs are, indeed, coming down. If you can get ahold > of a good IT salary survey, make note of not only the average salary, > but the median salary. The median salary is what is commonly used to > benchmark a position--not the average salary. If a formal salary > structure exists at a company, they will normally use the median as the > compa-ratio for the particular paygrade or step. Use common sense, do > your homework, and ask what you're worth; but always leave room for > compromise. > > > > MS Access IS a relational database. However it is a file-server > application, not a client-server database, and was not designed to > handle large transactional systems over a large network. It is designed > for small to medium sized, non mission-critical business environments. > Properly designed, MS Access can serve many purposes, but you will never > find Payroll or Financial systems using MS Access as a db platform or > front-end. MS Access is a great environment for learning databases and > SQL, but it is only a starting point. > > > > Concerning Oracle training--use everything that you can afford. If it's > a career-change, then consider formal Oracle University instructor-led > training classes. If you're already in the field, then self-study may > work. It takes tremendous self-discipline to go the self-study route > with books and CDS or online training. > > > > People who say that the OCP is valueless to the market have never > tested. I say to them--why not test? > > > > Edward Lock > > Sr. Programmer Analyst > > PeopleSoft Project Office, University of Houston System > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Karniotis, Stephen > > *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2001 12:08 PM > > *To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > *Subject:* RE: Becoming a DBA questions > > > > Good afternoon all: > >I have been holding back on replying to this email because I really > wanted to see what some of the other answers were, especially ones > related > to OCP. Rachel C. will understand as my answers will be very direct. > > 1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? Or > a position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA? > >>> As a person that has worked as an Oracle DBA for over 13 > years, the entry-level salary had changed quite dramatically. From the > mid-to late 1990s when starting DBAs could make upwards of 100K to > "REALITY" > when entry-level DBAs should be making no more than 70K. Some may > disagree, > however, I don't think paying high salaries is warranted just > because the > person is a DBA. If they don't have the experience, they don't > deserve the > high monetary return. I would say that 50K is probably on the high > end for > entry-level DBAs. The days of high salaries, similarly the high > consulting > rates, are gone and organizations are now back to reality. I > actually had > someone whom has been out of work for over 6 months refuse a salary > of 65K > as a DBA because he felt it was demeaning for him to accept it. > > 2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or would > that set me up for no phone calls? > >>> I disagree with everyone el
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As someone with 7 years in the HR (Compensation) field, and now in the IT/ERP field working on my Oracle DBA OCP, I can speak with some knowledge and experience. Using the term "Entry Level" on a resume is self-defeating. Most technical resumes are still screened by by the HR departments first, before the hiring managers even see them. A good recruiter will be able to identify whether you have the experience or not. If not, they will defer a judgment call to the hiring IT manager anyway. That doesn't mean that you should lie on your resume or deceive anyone. But don't shoot yourself in the foot before you even get your foot in the door. Annual salaries for DBAs are, indeed, coming down. If you can get ahold of a good IT salary survey, make note of not only the average salary, but the median salary. The median salary is what is commonly used to benchmark a position--not the average salary. If a formal salary structure exists at a company, they will normally use the median as the compa-ratio for the particular paygrade or step. Use common sense, do your homework, and ask what you're worth; but always leave room for compromise. MS Access IS a relational database. However it is a file-server application, not a client-server database, and was not designed to handle large transactional systems over a large network. It is designed for small to medium sized, non mission-critical business environments. Properly designed, MS Access can serve many purposes, but you will never find Payroll or Financial systems using MS Access as a db platform or front-end. MS Access is a great environment for learning databases and SQL, but it is only a starting point. Concerning Oracle training--use everything that you can afford. If it's a career-change, then consider formal Oracle University instructor-led training classes. If you're already in the field, then self-study may work. It takes tremendous self-discipline to go the self-study route with books and CDS or online training. People who say that the OCP is valueless to the market have never tested. I say to them--why not test? Edward Lock Sr. Programmer Analyst PeopleSoft Project Office, University of Houston System [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Karniotis, Stephen Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:08 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Becoming a DBA questions Good afternoon all: I have been holding back on replying to this email because I reallywanted to see what some of the other answers were, especially ones relatedto OCP. Rachel C. will understand as my answers will be very direct.1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? Ora position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA?>>> As a person that has worked as an Oracle DBA for over 13years, the entry-level salary had changed quite dramatically. From themid-to late 1990s when starting DBAs could make upwards of 100K to "REALITY"when entry-level DBAs should be making no more than 70K. Some may disagree,however, I don't think paying high salaries is warranted just because theperson is a DBA. If they don't have the experience, they don't deserve thehigh monetary return. I would say that 50K is probably on the high end forentry-level DBAs. The days of high salaries, similarly the high consultingrates, are gone and organizations are now back to reality. I actually hadsomeone whom has been out of work for over 6 months refuse a salary of 65Kas a DBA because he felt it was demeaning for him to accept it.2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or wouldthat set me up for no phone calls?>>> I disagree with everyone else regarding not using"entry-level" on your resume. If you have no experience and you are lookingto work in a team environment, then using this wording is acceptable. Youwill have to pick the job postings carefully so you don't send resumes toorganizations that require lots of experience. If you can control that,then remove "entry-level" and use "junior" instead.3. What are some steps I should take to becoming a DBA w/ thebackground that I have (ie. generated databases w/ MS Access)?>>> Well, MS Access, although people consider this a relationaldatabase, is not. It is a file system that looks like a relationaldatabase. Generating databases in MS Access is nothing like creatingdatabase environments in Oracle. You will honestly need to start fromscratch. The data modeling and application database creating may be similarif you followed the normalization rules and generally accepted guidelines.I would highly recommend using either Oracle's online learning network,locating a college/university where they teach Oracle. These do exist as Ihave taught several of these classes in Michigan. I would highly recommendcontacting the Los Angeles Oracle U
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took this independent study route instead of formal training from like a vocational school, would the steps to getting a job (or even my OCP certification) be the same? Or would it be more difficult without formal training? Independent study mechanisms are typically not structured in learning capabilities. You need a structured model to properly learn the ridiculous things in Oracle, especially with Oracle9i. I would start with some basic online training and then move to a semi-formal study program. >From there, either vocational, self-study or a more formal class would be beneficial. 5. What are some valuable books and resources to aid in my training? >>> Rachel's DBA 101 book would be an excellent choice. Some of the books by O'Riely and Oracle Press would also help you. Many people have given excellent suggestions here. There are so many titles that I would not beg to know them offhand. 6. How much does Oracle9i cost & would it be worth it to get since i want to learn? Are there evaluation copies out there that I can get my hands on? >>> You can download Oracle9i from www.oracle.com. In terms of cost, it varies depending on the number of CPUs and hardware chosen. You can also pay for an Oracle Technology Network membership and receive the CDs from Oracle. Understand that Oracle is not a small software product. The requirements on your hardware are quite large, so make sure you have enough bandwidth in terms of CPU and memory before investing in it. 7. What are the basic introductory courses/resources/training I could do to learn or get started in DBA training? 8. Basically, please list the steps you took to become a DBA (starting with education/training to job entry) and how you sould suggest I should go about starting to learn the fundamentals and then more in depth? 7 & 8 are too generic. I would advise contacting your own DBA staff and asking them this question. I always recommend becoming an Oracle developer before becoming a DBA. DBAs that have never developed Oracle-based software will never understand the issues related to query optimization, performance management, etc. as well as if they had attempted to create an Oracle-centric application. In many cases, I have seen Oracle DBAs with no development experience really screw up an application environment. Hope this helps. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Technical Alliance Manager Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:15 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re: Becoming a DBA questions 1. Depends on the company/part of the country and the economy. 2. State your experience with other databases. Once you get Oracle up and running at home, add that so they know you have installed it (IMHO installing on Linux is more impressive as it is very close to unix, but doing it under windows is better than nothing.) Don't say "looking for entry-level Oracle dba job" in your mission statement. Say something like "looking for the opportunity to move my proven database design and administration skills to a new level with Oracle" or something to that extent. 3. If you are good at self-study, Oracle has online learning that appears pretty reasonable ($99/month or something like that). But get yourself an Oracle installation to practice on first. 4. Quite possible to get a job with self-study and training. Passing your OCP tests will help you get that first job. After that it is nice to put on your biography when you submit papers to present at the conferences and user groups. 6. I'm not in the office today, but I'm sure someone will correct me on the title, but the two books I think are great are a. Oracle 8i dba from Oracle Press. I think that is the one that has a great example of real-life paper to database that explains things very well. b. DBA 101 by Rachel Carmichael (and others). I haven't had the chance to read it yet, but I've got a friend who is an aspiring dba so I've looked at it and he really loves it. And since I'm a big fan of Rachel's work, I have to recommend it. 8. Well, I have been working with databases for many years. But my first Oracle job was an accident. I was hired for other skills that I had and the day I started my new manager said "the Oracle DBA is leaving. You've got a lot of database experience on your resume. Want to be our Oracle DBA?" The rest is history. My advice to you is to get Oracle installed and decide on a project that you can use and maintain. I built a contact manager using an Access front-end. I kept learning new ways to improve the design and adding new features. Besides coming in very handy for job searches, it gave me something to discuss when networking and someone w
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1. Depends on the company/part of the country and the economy. 2. State your experience with other databases. Once you get Oracle up and running at home, add that so they know you have installed it (IMHO installing on Linux is more impressive as it is very close to unix, but doing it under windows is better than nothing.) Don't say "looking for entry-level Oracle dba job" in your mission statement. Say something like "looking for the opportunity to move my proven database design and administration skills to a new level with Oracle" or something to that extent. 3. If you are good at self-study, Oracle has online learning that appears pretty reasonable ($99/month or something like that). But get yourself an Oracle installation to practice on first. 4. Quite possible to get a job with self-study and training. Passing your OCP tests will help you get that first job. After that it is nice to put on your biography when you submit papers to present at the conferences and user groups. 6. I'm not in the office today, but I'm sure someone will correct me on the title, but the two books I think are great are a. Oracle 8i dba from Oracle Press. I think that is the one that has a great example of real-life paper to database that explains things very well. b. DBA 101 by Rachel Carmichael (and others). I haven't had the chance to read it yet, but I've got a friend who is an aspiring dba so I've looked at it and he really loves it. And since I'm a big fan of Rachel's work, I have to recommend it. 8. Well, I have been working with databases for many years. But my first Oracle job was an accident. I was hired for other skills that I had and the day I started my new manager said "the Oracle DBA is leaving. You've got a lot of database experience on your resume. Want to be our Oracle DBA?" The rest is history. My advice to you is to get Oracle installed and decide on a project that you can use and maintain. I built a contact manager using an Access front-end. I kept learning new ways to improve the design and adding new features. Besides coming in very handy for job searches, it gave me something to discuss when networking and someone would hear that I worked with databases and ask what I had worked on recently. I would also recommend looking up a local user group (start at www.ioug.org and click on the User Group link). Attend and make friends. These will be your peers and if you're lucky, you may find someone that will become your mentor. They may not be in a position to hire you, but they (we) are generally connected to the pulse of the hiring market and know when someone is looking to expand or hire a replacement. They can also help you learn new things and correct any misconceptions you have. At the social portion of the event (most user groups have conversation time) find someone who has been a dba for a number of years and ask them if you can talk to them. Explain what your understanding of something is and then pay attention as they either correct you or add to your knowledge. Before you know it, you will be sitting in an interview and the interviewer will ask you to explain how to use pctfree and you will know from your conversations and testing. Good luck. Stephen Andert Scottsdale, Arizona >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/31 2:00 AM >>> > Questions for a Database Administrator: 1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? Or a position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA? 2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or would that set me up for no phone calls? 3. What are some steps I should take to becoming a DBA w/ the background that I have (ie. generated databases w/ MS Access)? a) Recommended training/education in Los Angeles area? b) Where do you recommend I study & is online training valuable? 4. If I could learn Oracle software on my own through Independent study (books & reference sites), could this be sufficient enough to go about to get a job? a) Is the OCP certification necessary? b) If I took this independent study route instead of formal training from like a vocational school, would the steps to getting a job (or even my OCP certification) be the same? Or would it be more difficult without formal training? 5. What are some valuable books and resources to aid in my training? 6. How much does Oracle9i cost & would it be worth it to get since i want to learn? Are there evaluation copies out there that I can get my hands on? 7. What are the basic introductory courses/resources/training I could do to learn or get started in DBA training? 8. Basically, please list the steps you took to become a DBA (starting with education/training to job entry) and how you sould suggest I should go about starting to learn the fundamentals and then more in depth? Thank you!! I really appreciate your help!! Please, write to me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks!! smiles & happy new year 2002 -- Please see the
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As I made the jump from Access to Oracle a couple of years ago, I'll try to answer some of your questions. 1. Salary: Very dependent on where you work and the state of the economy. In my case, I started as a junior DBA with the same salary as a very experienced Access developer. Oracle has much more opportunity for advancement. 2. I would not put in "entry-level" on the resume. Your resume should show your Oracle experience or lack thereof. 3. When I interview for this Oracle DBA position they asked what I knew about Oracle. I said "Nothing, but I do know databases. And I can learn." I explained my experience with Access and Approach. I discussed normalization and indexing. I told them that I teach Access at the local community college part-time. 4a. I still don't have an OCP, but I plan on getting it next year. 4b. IMHO, training is good. Experience is better. Training + experience is best. 6. Depends. Check out: https://oraclestore.oracle.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=1016 8 You can get a personal edition of 8i for free at the site below. It's quite large so hopefully you have more than a 56K modem and a CD burner to store it: http://otn.oracle.com/software/content.html Jerry Whittle ACIFICS DBA NCI Information Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 618-622-4145 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Hi! Here are some new questions that I have but here is some > background information you'll need to know about me first: > > I'm looking into getting into the field of Database Administrating. > Right now, I have experience with MS Access and have created several > databases for companies that I have worked with in the past with > Access. > > I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical step for me, > I would think, would be in database field. However, I also have some > networking knowledge (Cisco certified...). So, I'm looking into the > advantages of both fields. I have some questions & I'm not sure who > to ask or where to get my answers. But, here they go: > > Questions for a Database Administrator: > > 1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? > Or a position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA? > > 2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or would > that set me up for no phone calls? > > 3. What are some steps I should take to becoming a DBA w/ the > background that I have (ie. generated databases w/ MS Access)? > > a) Recommended training/education in Los Angeles area? > > b) Where do you recommend I study & is online training valuable? > > 4. If I could learn Oracle software on my own through Independent > study (books & reference sites), could this be sufficient enough to go > about to get a job? > > a) Is the OCP certification necessary? > > b) If I took this independent study route instead of formal training > from like a vocational school, would the steps to getting a job (or > even my OCP certification) be the same? Or would it be more difficult > without formal training? > > 5. What are some valuable books and resources to aid in my training? > > > 6. How much does Oracle9i cost & would it be worth it to get since i > want to learn? Are there evaluation copies out there that I can get > my hands on? > > 7. What are the basic introductory courses/resources/training I could > do to learn or get started in DBA training? > > 8. Basically, please list the steps you took to become a DBA > (starting with education/training to job entry) and how you sould > suggest I should go about starting to learn the fundamentals and then > more in depth? > > Thank you!! I really appreciate your help!! > > Please, write to me @ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > thanks!! > smiles & happy new year 2002 > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Whittle Jerome Contr NCI INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hi! Here are some new questions that I have but here is some background information you'll need to know about me first: I'm looking into getting into the field of Database Administrating. Right now, I have experience with MS Access and have created several databases for companies that I have worked with in the past with Access. I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical step for me, I would think, would be in database field. However, I also have some networking knowledge (Cisco certified...). So, I'm looking into the advantages of both fields. I have some questions & I'm not sure who to ask or where to get my answers. But, here they go: Questions for a Database Administrator: 1. What is the average salary range for an entry-level DBA position? Or a position for someone who is just starting out as a DBA? 2. In a job resume, should I request an entry-level position or would that set me up for no phone calls? 3. What are some steps I should take to becoming a DBA w/ the background that I have (ie. generated databases w/ MS Access)? a) Recommended training/education in Los Angeles area? b) Where do you recommend I study & is online training valuable? 4. If I could learn Oracle software on my own through Independent study (books & reference sites), could this be sufficient enough to go about to get a job? a) Is the OCP certification necessary? b) If I took this independent study route instead of formal training from like a vocational school, would the steps to getting a job (or even my OCP certification) be the same? Or would it be more difficult without formal training? 5. What are some valuable books and resources to aid in my training? 6. How much does Oracle9i cost & would it be worth it to get since i want to learn? Are there evaluation copies out there that I can get my hands on? 7. What are the basic introductory courses/resources/training I could do to learn or get started in DBA training? 8. Basically, please list the steps you took to become a DBA (starting with education/training to job entry) and how you sould suggest I should go about starting to learn the fundamentals and then more in depth? Thank you!! I really appreciate your help!! Please, write to me @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks!! smiles & happy new year 2002
