RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Well, If Oracle simply adds their methods of releasing patches to PeopleSoft it will be a win for all of those PeopleSoft administrators out there. PeopleSoft's patch release and implementation methods are really a pain in the ___. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:10 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bidIf I may Compare The Uncomparable for a few seconds, I think there are two possible outcomes - at least if I look at examples from the database world:1. IBM's purchase of Informix was only intended to get to the customer base. IBM will try to move them all to DB2 asap. They have no plan, idea or enthusiasm for another database in their inventory.2. Oracle's purchase of Rdb is one of the best buys I've seen in the industry. Ever. They kept the guys with the full bears in the New England Development Center .They were typically all so old and bitter that they'd actually - get this - write specs and test stuff before writing and releasing code. Fantastic. Oracle also kept coming out with new versions of Rdb with new features, improved this and improved that, and so forth. They still have a very good relationship with the Rdb customers around the world (like Lego with about 750 Rdb databases), and slowly the customers will move to Oracle.This doesn't mean that a merger between People Soft and Oracle will go well, but at least it's the new thing that we've all been waiting for to happen so Oracle once again looks interesting and exciting - might even bump up the share prise a bit.MogensGoulet, Dick wrote: Raj, Good point. People Soft does all of their development work on M$ Sql Server and it's one of their supported platforms. IBM would have a similar desire since you know that once People Soft becomes part of Oracle support for non Oracle DB's will die. Actually according to the press release People Soft will become Oracle E-Business suite. That's why I characterize this as a whale swallowing another whale. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:10 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid I wonder when Micto$oft will step in with a counter offer ... imagine what will this do to their CRM market share dream ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA
Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
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RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Title: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid I wonder when Micto$oft will step in with a counter offer ... imagine what will this do to their CRM market share dream ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA This e-mail message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney work product or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please immediately notify corporate MIS at (860) 766-2000 and delete this e-mail message from your computer, Thank you.*2
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Title: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Raj, Good point. People Soft does all of their development work on M$ Sql Server and it's one of their supported platforms. IBM would have a similar desire since you know that once People Soft becomes part of Oracle support for non Oracle DB's will die. Actually according to the press release People Soft will become Oracle E-Business suite. That's why I characterize this as a whale swallowing another whale. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:10 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid I wonder when Micto$oft will step in with a counter offer ... imagine what will this do to their CRM market share dream ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
What also makes for interesting reading, and perhaps I should have posted it first (but this is an Oracle list), is this article, which was released on the same website earlier this morning (around 8:00am GMT): http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31072.html Too much for Oracle to swallow without taking action? Mark -Original Message- Goulet, Dick Sent: 06 June 2003 15:45 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Title: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid If Oracle can make a profit on SQL Server they will stay with it. Larry is not going to shoot himself in the foot. My $0.02 worth, Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - From: Goulet, Dick To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Raj, Good point. People Soft does all of their development work on M$ Sql Server and it's one of their supported platforms. IBM would have a similar desire since you know that once People Soft becomes part of Oracle support for non Oracle DB's will die. Actually according to the press release People Soft will become Oracle E-Business suite. That's why I characterize this as a whale swallowing another whale. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:10 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid I wonder when Micto$oft will step in with a counter offer ... imagine what will this do to their CRM market share dream ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Title: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Quite frankly, I don't believe that the offer is serious. It's only 6% above the Friday closing price and it has already propelled the PeopleSoft's stock to $18.60 which is far beyond Oracle's offer. In case that those two do merge, I would be interested in the new names. How about "Power to PeopleSoft initiative" or "Pythia initiative"? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:10 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Raj, Good point. People Soft does all of their development work on M$ Sql Server and it's one of their supported platforms. IBM would have a similar desire since you know that once People Soft becomes part of Oracle support for non Oracle DB's will die. Actually according to the press release People Soft will become Oracle E-Business suite. That's why I characterize this as a whale swallowing another whale. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:10 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid I wonder when Micto$oft will step in with a counter offer ... imagine what will this do to their CRM market share dream ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA
Re: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/2003 06:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Title: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Hmmm... sell short or buy hoping IBM ups the ante? -Original Message-From: Gogala, Mladen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:30 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Quite frankly, I don't believe that the offer is serious. It's only 6% above the Friday closing price and it has already propelled the PeopleSoft's stock to $18.60 which is far beyond Oracle's offer. In case that those two do merge, I would be interested in the new names. How about "Power to PeopleSoft initiative" or "Pythia initiative"? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:10 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Raj, Good point. People Soft does all of their development work on M$ Sql Server and it's one of their supported platforms. IBM would have a similar desire since you know that once People Soft becomes part of Oracle support for non Oracle DB's will die. Actually according to the press release People Soft will become Oracle E-Business suite. That's why I characterize this as a whale swallowing another whale. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:10 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid I wonder when Micto$oft will step in with a counter offer ... imagine what will this do to their CRM market share dream ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
I think that was exactly their strategy when they aquired RDB, but I think Oracle underestimated how much RDB customers would resist losing RDB. You can't tick off customers of that magnitude who are willing to spend big $$$ for the reliability and performance of RDB, which is tough to match. I think Oracle's done a decent job of continuing to develop RDB. Its even picked up a few nice features from Oracle RDBMS like role based secutiry and logminer. It definitely has given more than it got though - partitioning, parallel query ... -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/2003 06:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Seefelt, Beth INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Title: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Ken, Are you sure?? PeopleSoft by their own accounts does 80+% of it's installs on Oracle. Allow me to quote Larry from the pdf on his own web site: Although we will not be actively selling PeopleSoft products to new customers, we will provide enhanced support for all PeopleSoft products. Furthermore, we will be incorporating the advanced features from the PeopleSoft products into future versions of the Oracle eBusiness Suite. But then Mark dumped another twist into the mix as well with the register article. Maybe M$ won't be too upset by this but IBM may be another matter altogether. I doubt they'll appreciate seeing WebSphere swapped out for 9iAS. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: KENNETH JANUSZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:20 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid If Oracle can make a profit on SQL Server they will stay with it. Larry is not going to shoot himself in the foot. My $0.02 worth, Ken Janusz, CPIM - Original Message - From: Goulet, Dick To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Raj, Good point. People Soft does all of their development work on M$ Sql Server and it's one of their supported platforms. IBM would have a similar desire since you know that once People Soft becomes part of Oracle support for non Oracle DB's will die. Actually according to the press release People Soft will become Oracle E-Business suite. That's why I characterize this as a whale swallowing another whale. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:10 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid I wonder when Micto$oft will step in with a counter offer ... imagine what will this do to their CRM market share dream ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
And what exactly is RDB to Oracle RDBMS? Predecessor? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/2003 06:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
RDB was developed by DEC and was purchased by Oracle. When I 1ast saw it in depth 10 years ago it wqas quite nice. From what I also understand that the Cost Based Optimizer from 8i and on was part of RDB replacing the 7i Oracle developed version. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And what exactly is RDB to Oracle RDBMS? Predecessor? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/2003 06:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tony Johnson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Title: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid better to buy than to build :-) Or just hire the talent... -Original Message- From: Tony Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid RDB was developed by DEC and was purchased by Oracle. When I 1ast saw it in depth 10 years ago it wqas quite nice. From what I also understand that the Cost Based Optimizer from 8i and on was part of RDB replacing the 7i Oracle developed version. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And what exactly is RDB to Oracle RDBMS? Predecessor? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/2003 06:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tony Johnson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Oracle is running minimal integration risk because it doesn't plan to integrate PeopleSoft, Ellison told CNBC. Instead, it means to strip the rival, shifting its programmers and customers to Oracle products while running PeopleSoft's maintenance contracts as a legacy business. http://yahoo.smartmoney.com/bn/index.cfm?story=20030606090152afl=yahoo Mark -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/2003 06:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Moynahan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
From memory: Many moons ago, DEC sold RDB off to Oracle. RDB shops were told by Oracle that their license/maintence fees would double or triple for RDB in an effort to migrate them to Oracle. Many said bite me. In the meantime, Oracle took much of the cool stuff from RDB and incorporated it into Oracle DB. I don't remember specific features anymore, but the combination gave us Oracle7. One of the best features that Oracle Corp declined to migrate is RDB's concept of SQLMODs. SQLMODs are a language-independant module of your SQL whose SQL routines are called by your 3GL (COBOL, BASIC, C, FORTRAN, etc). All that's needed is a separate compiler to create an object module from the SQLMOD. Then that SQLMOD can be linked with your 3GL object mod to create the .EXE. Brilliant! Instead, we're left with Oracle's icky language-specific pre-compilers. Blecchh. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Tony Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid RDB was developed by DEC and was purchased by Oracle. When I 1ast saw it in depth 10 years ago it wqas quite nice. From what I also understand that the Cost Based Optimizer from 8i and on was part of RDB replacing the 7i Oracle developed version. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And what exactly is RDB to Oracle RDBMS? Predecessor? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
I know the story. Before coming to the Oracle DBA heaven, I used to be a VMS sys admin (yeah, one of those vile creatures). So, the question remains: what is RDB to Oracle RDBMS? Cousin? Ancestor? Victim? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L RDB was developed by DEC and was purchased by Oracle. When I 1ast saw it in depth 10 years ago it wqas quite nice. From what I also understand that the Cost Based Optimizer from 8i and on was part of RDB replacing the 7i Oracle developed version. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And what exactly is RDB to Oracle RDBMS? Predecessor? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/2003 06:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tony Johnson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Now, that would make them sell. Real motivational speech, if I ever saw one. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle is running minimal integration risk because it doesn't plan to integrate PeopleSoft, Ellison told CNBC. Instead, it means to strip the rival, shifting its programmers and customers to Oracle products while running PeopleSoft's maintenance contracts as a legacy business. http://yahoo.smartmoney.com/bn/index.cfm?story=20030606090152afl=yahoo Mark -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/2003 06:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Moynahan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Some of the features Oracle embraced from RDB: Cost Based Optimizer Statistics (of course!) Oracle Trace (not sql_trace, Oracle Trace) That's all the room I have in my SGA at this moment and I dare not flush! Arup - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:14 PM From memory: Many moons ago, DEC sold RDB off to Oracle. RDB shops were told by Oracle that their license/maintence fees would double or triple for RDB in an effort to migrate them to Oracle. Many said bite me. In the meantime, Oracle took much of the cool stuff from RDB and incorporated it into Oracle DB. I don't remember specific features anymore, but the combination gave us Oracle7. One of the best features that Oracle Corp declined to migrate is RDB's concept of SQLMODs. SQLMODs are a language-independant module of your SQL whose SQL routines are called by your 3GL (COBOL, BASIC, C, FORTRAN, etc). All that's needed is a separate compiler to create an object module from the SQLMOD. Then that SQLMOD can be linked with your 3GL object mod to create the .EXE. Brilliant! Instead, we're left with Oracle's icky language-specific pre-compilers. Blecchh. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Tony Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid RDB was developed by DEC and was purchased by Oracle. When I 1ast saw it in depth 10 years ago it wqas quite nice. From what I also understand that the Cost Based Optimizer from 8i and on was part of RDB replacing the 7i Oracle developed version. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And what exactly is RDB to Oracle RDBMS? Predecessor? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Arup Nanda INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
Haha, my SGA has been swapped out to disk at this moment. So I take a break. :) -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Some of the features Oracle embraced from RDB: Cost Based Optimizer Statistics (of course!) Oracle Trace (not sql_trace, Oracle Trace) That's all the room I have in my SGA at this moment and I dare not flush! Arup - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:14 PM From memory: Many moons ago, DEC sold RDB off to Oracle. RDB shops were told by Oracle that their license/maintence fees would double or triple for RDB in an effort to migrate them to Oracle. Many said bite me. In the meantime, Oracle took much of the cool stuff from RDB and incorporated it into Oracle DB. I don't remember specific features anymore, but the combination gave us Oracle7. One of the best features that Oracle Corp declined to migrate is RDB's concept of SQLMODs. SQLMODs are a language-independant module of your SQL whose SQL routines are called by your 3GL (COBOL, BASIC, C, FORTRAN, etc). All that's needed is a separate compiler to create an object module from the SQLMOD. Then that SQLMOD can be linked with your 3GL object mod to create the .EXE. Brilliant! Instead, we're left with Oracle's icky language-specific pre-compilers. Blecchh. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Tony Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid RDB was developed by DEC and was purchased by Oracle. When I 1ast saw it in depth 10 years ago it wqas quite nice. From what I also understand that the Cost Based Optimizer from 8i and on was part of RDB replacing the 7i Oracle developed version. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And what exactly is RDB to Oracle RDBMS? Predecessor? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Arup Nanda INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
If I may Compare The Uncomparable for a few seconds, I think there are two possible outcomes - at least if I look at examples from the database world: 1. IBM's purchase of Informix was only intended to get to the customer base. IBM will try to move them all to DB2 asap. They have no plan, idea or enthusiasm for another database in their inventory. 2. Oracle's purchase of Rdb is one of the best buys I've seen in the industry. Ever. They kept the guys with the full bears in the New England Development Center .They were typically all so old and bitter that they'd actually - get this - write specs and test stuff before writing and releasing code. Fantastic. Oracle also kept coming out with new versions of Rdb with new features, improved this and improved that, and so forth. They still have a very good relationship with the Rdb customers around the world (like Lego with about 750 Rdb databases), and slowly the customers will move to Oracle. This doesn't mean that a merger between People Soft and Oracle will go well, but at least it's the new thing that we've all been waiting for to happen so Oracle once again looks interesting and exciting - might even bump up the share prise a bit. Mogens Goulet, Dick wrote: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid Raj, Good point. People Soft does all of their development work on M$ Sql Server and it's one of their supported platforms. IBM would have a similar desire since you know that once People Soft becomes part of Oracle support for non Oracle DB's will die. Actually according to the press release People Soft will become Oracle E-Business suite. That's why I characterize this as a whale swallowing another whale. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- From: Jamadagni, Rajendra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 11:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid I wonder when Micto$oft will step in with a counter offer ... imagine what will this do to their CRM market share dream ... Raj Rajendra dot Jamadagni at nospamespn dot com All Views expressed in this email are strictly personal. QOTD: Any clod can have facts, having an opinion is an art ! -Original Message- From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 10:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid OK, This is one WHALE swallowing act that I just HAVE to watch!! This is akin to McDonalds acquiring Burger King and Wendy's in one fell swoop!! Wonder what this will do to pricing and support costs??? Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA
Re: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
I think also the bitmap stuff came from the guys with full beards (not full bears, as I wrote earlier). Richard Ji wrote: Haha, my SGA has been swapped out to disk at this moment. So I take a break. :) -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Some of the features Oracle embraced from RDB: Cost Based Optimizer Statistics (of course!) Oracle Trace (not sql_trace, Oracle Trace) That's all the room I have in my SGA at this moment and I dare not flush! Arup - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:14 PM From memory: Many moons ago, DEC sold RDB off to Oracle. RDB shops were told by Oracle that their license/maintence fees would double or triple for RDB in an effort to migrate them to Oracle. Many said "bite me". In the meantime, Oracle took much of the cool stuff from RDB and incorporated it into Oracle DB. I don't remember specific features anymore, but the combination gave us Oracle7. One of the best features that Oracle Corp declined to migrate is RDB's concept of SQLMODs. SQLMODs are a language-independant module of your SQL whose SQL routines are called by your 3GL (COBOL, BASIC, C, FORTRAN, etc). All that's needed is a separate "compiler" to create an object module from the SQLMOD. Then that SQLMOD can be linked with your 3GL object mod to create the .EXE. Brilliant! Instead, we're left with Oracle's icky language-specific pre-compilers. Blecchh. Rich Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L RDB was developed by DEC and was purchased by Oracle. When I 1ast saw it in depth 10 years ago it wqas quite nice. From what I also understand that the Cost Based Optimizer from 8i and on was part of RDB replacing the 7i Oracle developed version. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And what exactly is RDB to Oracle RDBMS? Predecessor? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid
The story I heard (I was in Oracle back then - was it 1994?) was that the three biggest Rdb customers had been asked what they would think of Rdb being sold to Oracle even before DEC/Oracle did any deal. Lego was the third largest Rdb customer in the world back then (probably still is), so I was the one that delivered the first ever Oracle course at Lego. The first months after the deal was done, there was much talk inside Oracle of merging the products. This would be done by merging OCI and the Rdb equivalent, then merging the two SQL implementations, etc. I'm happy to be able to tell you all that the plan was dropped. Instead they started at the top of the stack and made SQL*Net and other such things work across. That was all they needed. And yeah, the two databases are getting products and ideas from each other. I might even think I remember that the Change Management Pack was delivered by the New England Development Center? I'm not sure. Mogens Seefelt, Beth wrote: I think that was exactly their strategy when they aquired RDB, but I think Oracle underestimated how much RDB customers would resist losing RDB. You can't tick off customers of that magnitude who are willing to spend big $$$ for the reliability and performance of RDB, which is tough to match. I think Oracle's done a decent job of continuing to develop RDB. Its even picked up a few nice features from Oracle RDBMS like role based secutiry and logminer. It definitely has given more than it got though - partitioning, parallel query ... -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L What's really interesting is the quote from Larry indicating that PeopleSoft will be to Oracle Apps what RDB is to Oracle RDBMS. Take all the goodies, no development on the purchased technology. Not sure if it appears in this arcticle, I saw it on Zdnet. Jared Mark Leith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/06/2003 06:44 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Oracle ambushes Peoplesoft with $5.1bn bid http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/31079.html OoooOO === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput performance --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release Date: 01/06/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Oracle and Peoplesoft
How different is an Oracle Peoplesoft database from a regular database? Or in other words what all extra tasks does an Oracle Peoplesoft DBA do? How easy/difficult is it for a an Oracle DBA to transition into a Peoplesoft environment? Are there any good books/ websites on this subject? I would highly appreciate your comments and suggestions. TIA Sumathy Thankam -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Panicker, Thankam S. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle and Peoplesoft
Hi Sumathy, It is not too much different from oracle peoplesoft and regular dba. Except you have to know more about peoplesoft components, peoplesoft application server, process schedular, web server,weblogic.. there are some peoplesoft courses I am highly recommend you to take, Configuration and Administration Data Management Tools and another one peoplesoft server administration on Unix/Oracle. They has a website just like metlink. you need a customer id to access it. I feel like as long as peoplesoft infrastucture setup correctly in the beginning. It save a lot of time to troubleshoot later. As a oracle/peoplesoft dba, you have to constantly deal with upgrade poeplesoft tools, application, oracle. so clone the production database is major thing to do. we are constantly refresh testing databases from production. so automate those scripts are very helpful. Joan Panicker, Thankam S. wrote: How different is an Oracle Peoplesoft database from a regular database? Or in other words what all extra tasks does an Oracle Peoplesoft DBA do? How easy/difficult is it for a an Oracle DBA to transition into a Peoplesoft environment? Are there any good books/ websites on this subject? I would highly appreciate your comments and suggestions. TIA Sumathy Thankam -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Panicker, Thankam S. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Joan Hsieh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle and Peoplesoft
I would agree with Joan - we spend lots of time refreshing databases here. We were responsible for all of the application servers, web servers, process schedulers, etc. until a technical architecture team was formed. That has helped tremendously since my team can concentrate on the Oracle side. We have a very large Peoplesoft Financials environment here (along with HR and budgets) so we have lots to keep busy with and opportunities to use additional Oracle functionality (we have a large replicated environment, use lots of partitioning, etc) . I would also recommend you at least take a PeopleTools course or one of the administration courses mentioned by Joan so you understand how Peoplesoft stores and uses metadata.As far as book recommendations the only decent book that I have is the Peoplesoft Administrator's Guide by Darrell Bilbrey which is good for someone new to Peoplesoft. We really do most of the normal functions that any DBA would do regardless of Peoplesoft. Database still has to be backed up, tuned, and maintained like any other Oracle database - I consider myself to be an Oracle/Peoplesoft DBA, not a Peoplesoft/Oracle DBA if that helps you any. You will also learn to hate PS Query if your users have ad-hoc query access.:-) John Dailey Oracle DBA ING Americas - Application Services Atlanta, GA Joan Hsieh joan.hsieh@tuftsTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] .educc: (bcc: John Dailey/NAC/ING-FSI-NA) Sent by: Subject: Re: Oracle and Peoplesoft [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/19/2002 09:45 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L Hi Sumathy, It is not too much different from oracle peoplesoft and regular dba. Except you have to know more about peoplesoft components, peoplesoft application server, process schedular, web server,weblogic.. there are some peoplesoft courses I am highly recommend you to take, Configuration and Administration Data Management Tools and another one peoplesoft server administration on Unix/Oracle. They has a website just like metlink. you need a customer id to access it. I feel like as long as peoplesoft infrastucture setup correctly in the beginning. It save a lot of time to troubleshoot later. As a oracle/peoplesoft dba, you have to constantly deal with upgrade poeplesoft tools, application, oracle. so clone the production database is major thing to do. we are constantly refresh testing databases from production. so automate those scripts are very helpful. Joan Panicker, Thankam S. wrote: How different is an Oracle Peoplesoft database from a regular database? Or in other words what all extra tasks does an Oracle Peoplesoft DBA do? How easy/difficult is it for a an Oracle DBA to transition into a Peoplesoft environment? Are there any good books/ websites on this subject? I would highly appreciate your comments and suggestions. TIA Sumathy Thankam -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Panicker, Thankam S. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT
