RE: BMC Patrol

[Ball, Terry]

We are currently using Patrol.  We just upgraded to version 3.4 so that we
could be 9i compatable.  We experience less than 2% impact at the worst of
times.  Most of the time, it just hums along.

Terry Ball, DBA
Birch Telecom
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FAX:  816-300-1800


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We are in the process of implementing BMC Patrol for
monitoring our databases.  This is a good thing since
we have hundreds of database across several states. 
Monitoring from a single location with one tool makes
sense.

However, the question has arisen about the actual load
that Patrol will put on the databases.  To read
Patrol's data, there are words such as, 'negligible'
or 'minimal' but they offer no solid metrics.  In the
not too distant past, BMC's Perform and Predict
product literally consumed all of the memory on our
database machines and ground them to a halt.  It took
several weeks before BMC was able to correctly
diagnose the problem and come up with a fix.  Rather
than repeat this experience I would like to hear from
others using Patrol.  

If anyone has any hands on experience with performance
problems resulting from implementing the Patrol KMs
for Oracle, SQL Server or Sybase, I would appreciate
hearing about them.

Thanks,

=
Pete Barnett
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The Regence Group
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RE: BMC Patrol

[Kevin Lange]

Past history with an oracle system I worked on at my previous job.  This was
around 1997-2000.   

Patrol sucked resources like there was no end to them.

We canned it really fast.  

That was on IBM AIX and Oracle 7.3.4.

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We are in the process of implementing BMC Patrol for
monitoring our databases.  This is a good thing since
we have hundreds of database across several states. 
Monitoring from a single location with one tool makes
sense.

However, the question has arisen about the actual load
that Patrol will put on the databases.  To read
Patrol's data, there are words such as, 'negligible'
or 'minimal' but they offer no solid metrics.  In the
not too distant past, BMC's Perform and Predict
product literally consumed all of the memory on our
database machines and ground them to a halt.  It took
several weeks before BMC was able to correctly
diagnose the problem and come up with a fix.  Rather
than repeat this experience I would like to hear from
others using Patrol.  

If anyone has any hands on experience with performance
problems resulting from implementing the Patrol KMs
for Oracle, SQL Server or Sybase, I would appreciate
hearing about them.

Thanks,

=
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RE: BMC Patrol

[Pete Sharman]

I remember eons ago when I was running Patrol training in Oz for BMC
that it averaged something like about 5% or so.  Depended on how many
things you were monitoring and what the levels were set at IIRC.  But
that's quite dated now so I'd respect others figures more.

Pete
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Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
 


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We are in the process of implementing BMC Patrol for
monitoring our databases.  This is a good thing since
we have hundreds of database across several states. 
Monitoring from a single location with one tool makes
sense.

However, the question has arisen about the actual load
that Patrol will put on the databases.  To read
Patrol's data, there are words such as, 'negligible'
or 'minimal' but they offer no solid metrics.  In the
not too distant past, BMC's Perform and Predict
product literally consumed all of the memory on our
database machines and ground them to a halt.  It took
several weeks before BMC was able to correctly
diagnose the problem and come up with a fix.  Rather
than repeat this experience I would like to hear from
others using Patrol.  

If anyone has any hands on experience with performance
problems resulting from implementing the Patrol KMs
for Oracle, SQL Server or Sybase, I would appreciate
hearing about them.

Thanks,

=
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The Regence Group
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[YTTRI Lisa]

We use some of those, too.   DBArtisan is primarily used by the Sybase and
SQL Server DBAs.  It has a couple of quirks when connected to Oracle.
ER/Studio is our modelling tool, and we're looking at Change Manager for
source control.

We have inquired about Performance Center, but it is still pretty new.

For the money though, they do prove to be very useful.

Lisa
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Embarcadero products?

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We are using OEM currently on our Oracle environments.  However, we have
about 100 Sybase servers and about 10 Microsoft SQL Server servers in
addition to the 20 or so Oracle instances we have.  There are only 6 of us
supporting all these environments, and not everybody is knowledgeable in all
the dbms'.  What we'd like to get is a proactive monitoring tool that can be
used for all of our databases.  










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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[Mohan, Ross]

Embarcadero products?

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We are using OEM currently on our Oracle environments.  However, we have
about 100 Sybase servers and about 10 Microsoft SQL Server servers in
addition to the 20 or so Oracle instances we have.  There are only 6 of us
supporting all these environments, and not everybody is knowledgeable in all
the dbms'.  What we'd like to get is a proactive monitoring tool that can be
used for all of our databases.  










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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[YTTRI Lisa]

We are using OEM currently on our Oracle environments.  However, we have
about 100 Sybase servers and about 10 Microsoft SQL Server servers in
addition to the 20 or so Oracle instances we have.  There are only 6 of us
supporting all these environments, and not everybody is knowledgeable in all
the dbms'.  What we'd like to get is a proactive monitoring tool that can be
used for all of our databases.  If I could get OEM to monitor the others, I
would!

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I have evaluated I/Watch and it was pretty good.  Especially with
Spotlight.  I have actually seen Spotlight help me quickly identify
a problem which I am not sure I could have found so easily with
out the visual picture.  I had both tools for about 3 months but
could not get anyone to agree to the bucks.

Depending on what you are looking for out of OEM it really is not
a bad tool.  It is the one that is the least intrusive on your servers
and you need not create objects in your database for it.  Thing
I learned though is to make sure you set up warnings for email and not
page.  Really annoying when you get paged at 3AM cause a tablespace is
80% full.  Ya, so, tell me tomorrow.  Make sure you do not have alert
log monitoring on for development systems.  If you do you may be
tempted to kill your developers.  It might not be the best tool out
there but if you work with the right versions of Oracle and use the
OEM agents for 8.1.7 or 9i its pretty good.  It does not have those problems
of not being able to deregister and all that fun stuff that existing
in 8.  Don't forget that the agents do not have be the same version as the
database.

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I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences.

My question on this topic is what tools are appropriate for what
environments? Some tools seem more extensive (and expensive) and therefore
appropriate to sites with many Oracle instances. I am currently responsible
for 5 production instances all at our HQ datacenter. On those rare occasions
when something goes down, some usually quickly contacts me, so I haven't
felt the need for a monitoring tool. However, we are discussing a project to
put servers in a handful of manufacturing plants and they would be more 23x7
situations, so I have been reviewing OEM (it fails a lot more often than the
instance, I'm not about to turn on its remote notification). Naturally
vendors will claim that their product is just ideal for your type of site.
Does anyone have any input on which monitoring tools are appropriate for
sites with a smaller number of Oracle instances? Thanks.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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I second that, too long to list the problems I had w/ CA Unicenter,
worthless expensive product.  CA touts their product to top management, then
you get the call to implement.  Just my $.02, since you asked :)

Gene

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04/01 08:35PM >>>
CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks.  CA sucks.  Stay away.

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Hi -

Does anyone have experience with either of these products?  I'm interested
in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support.  I realize
they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot.  I've been asked to
look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see).

Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about
them.

Thanks much -
Lisa
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[Kimberly Smith]

I have evaluated I/Watch and it was pretty good.  Especially with
Spotlight.  I have actually seen Spotlight help me quickly identify
a problem which I am not sure I could have found so easily with
out the visual picture.  I had both tools for about 3 months but
could not get anyone to agree to the bucks.

Depending on what you are looking for out of OEM it really is not
a bad tool.  It is the one that is the least intrusive on your servers
and you need not create objects in your database for it.  Thing
I learned though is to make sure you set up warnings for email and not
page.  Really annoying when you get paged at 3AM cause a tablespace is
80% full.  Ya, so, tell me tomorrow.  Make sure you do not have alert
log monitoring on for development systems.  If you do you may be
tempted to kill your developers.  It might not be the best tool out
there but if you work with the right versions of Oracle and use the
OEM agents for 8.1.7 or 9i its pretty good.  It does not have those problems
of not being able to deregister and all that fun stuff that existing
in 8.  Don't forget that the agents do not have be the same version as the
database.

-Original Message-
WILLIAMS
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 8:20 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences.

My question on this topic is what tools are appropriate for what
environments? Some tools seem more extensive (and expensive) and therefore
appropriate to sites with many Oracle instances. I am currently responsible
for 5 production instances all at our HQ datacenter. On those rare occasions
when something goes down, some usually quickly contacts me, so I haven't
felt the need for a monitoring tool. However, we are discussing a project to
put servers in a handful of manufacturing plants and they would be more 23x7
situations, so I have been reviewing OEM (it fails a lot more often than the
instance, I'm not about to turn on its remote notification). Naturally
vendors will claim that their product is just ideal for your type of site.
Does anyone have any input on which monitoring tools are appropriate for
sites with a smaller number of Oracle instances? Thanks.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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I second that, too long to list the problems I had w/ CA Unicenter,
worthless expensive product.  CA touts their product to top management, then
you get the call to implement.  Just my $.02, since you asked :)

Gene

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04/01 08:35PM >>>
CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks.  CA sucks.  Stay away.

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Hi -

Does anyone have experience with either of these products?  I'm interested
in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support.  I realize
they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot.  I've been asked to
look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see).

Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about
them.

Thanks much -
Lisa
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[HAWKINS, JAMES W [IT/1000]]

We looked at Quest extensively, and even began rolling it out.  I/Watch fell
apart at the seams when we tried to scale...

Jim

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Tools!  Tools!  Tools!

Did you look at Quest at all?





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CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks.  CA sucks.  Stay away.

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Hi -

Does anyone have experience with either of these products?  I'm
interested
in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support.  I realize
they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot.  I've been asked
to
look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll
see).

Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear
about
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Thanks much -
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[HAWKINS, JAMES W [IT/1000]]

We looked at Quest extensively, and even began rolling it out.  I/Watch fell
apart at the seams when we tried to scale...

Jim

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Tools!  Tools!  Tools!

Did you look at Quest at all?





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CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks.  CA sucks.  Stay away.

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to
look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[Jared . Still]

Lisa

I didn't get the opportunity to work with BMC, but was somewhat
involved in the selection process for enterprise monitoring tools
a couple of jobs ago.

BMC Patrol ( or whatever it may be called now ) was very impressive.

I had lots of questions, and everything I asked, it was already setup
to do.  It will handle various databases, and will also monitor the OS.

Wanna keep an eye on the page scan rate on Solaris?  They already
have it if you want it.  If you think of something it can't do, they have a
scripting language to build it yourself.  ( too bad it wasn't perl )

It was the most capable tool I've seen.  If others with experience
recommend it
it would be a candidate for closer scrutiny.

Bring a lot of cash though if you plan to use it.

Jared




   
 
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Ideally, we'd like to find a common tool to monitor Oracle, Sybase and SQL
Server databases running on both NT and Unix platforms.  There are separate
groups that are responsible for NT support and Unix support.  If we could
all use the same tool, we'd be delighted, but if not, then one tool for all
databases would be our next choice.

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Lisa,

What are you trying to monitor - just Oracle databases, the OS as well (if
so which OS) and anything else?

We use the Watchdog functionality (part of CA Unicenter) to monitor our VMS
servers (where we don't run Oracle) and it good for that.

It depends on what you are trying to achieve.

HTH,
Bruce Reardon

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Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[DENNIS WILLIAMS]

I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences.

My question on this topic is what tools are appropriate for what
environments? Some tools seem more extensive (and expensive) and therefore
appropriate to sites with many Oracle instances. I am currently responsible
for 5 production instances all at our HQ datacenter. On those rare occasions
when something goes down, some usually quickly contacts me, so I haven't
felt the need for a monitoring tool. However, we are discussing a project to
put servers in a handful of manufacturing plants and they would be more 23x7
situations, so I have been reviewing OEM (it fails a lot more often than the
instance, I'm not about to turn on its remote notification). Naturally
vendors will claim that their product is just ideal for your type of site.
Does anyone have any input on which monitoring tools are appropriate for
sites with a smaller number of Oracle instances? Thanks.
Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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I second that, too long to list the problems I had w/ CA Unicenter,
worthless expensive product.  CA touts their product to top management, then
you get the call to implement.  Just my $.02, since you asked :)

Gene

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04/01 08:35PM >>>
CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks.  CA sucks.  Stay away.

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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[Koniszewski, Mike]

HI Lisa,
   We don't use Xray or CA unicenter but we use Patrol from BMC with
UNIX,NT and the Oracle Availability Suite. Installation is straight forward
and support is great. Does allot of proactive monitoring. The psl
programming language is easy for customization. It comes packaged with
Centuari Alarm manage from proxima technology that has a web plugin so you
can get information on your machines from anywhere if you get an alarm. 

Michael Koniszewski
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518-242-5922


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> 
> Hi - 
> 
> Does anyone have experience with either of these products?  I'm interested
> in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support.  I realize
> they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot.  I've been asked to
> look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll
> see).
> 
> Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear
> about
> them.
> 
> Thanks much -
> Lisa
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[Gene Sais]

I second that, too long to list the problems I had w/ CA Unicenter, worthless 
expensive product.  CA touts their product to top management, then you get the call to 
implement.  Just my $.02, since you asked :)

Gene

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04/01 08:35PM >>>
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Hi -

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they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot.  I've been asked to
look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see).

Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about
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Thanks much -
Lisa
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[Mark Leith]

Lisa,

Have you seen or heard of NORAD (Surveillance Module)?

Currently you can monitor:

Database:   O/S:

Oracle  NT/2000
Sybase  HP/UX
SQLServer   Solaris
AIX
LINUX

All from the same client console. Support is a LOT better than CA provide,
the tool installs in around 20 minutes per server to get full functionality,
and the price is very reasonable. More operating systems are going to be
supported in the coming 1st and 2nd Q's of 2002.

You can take a look at it here:

www.cool-tools.co.uk/Products/surveillance.html

Or download the datasheet

www.cool-tools.co.uk/Products/Docs/NORADSurveillance.pdf

Or for the O/S & Database module:

www.cool-tools.co.uk/Products/Docs/NORADIAS.pdf

You also only buy the server licenses, so you can install the client
software anywhere you wish. These clients will all be able to see all of the
server agents over the network, meaning you can share alerts/info across the
groups with ease, whilst only alerting the specific group responsible if you
wish.

Sound like it fits the bill?

If so let me know, and I will get somebody in touch with you about it - you
are in the States right?

Regards

Mark

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Tools!  Tools!  Tools!

Did you look at Quest at all?





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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

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Tools!  Tools!  Tools!

Did you look at Quest at all?





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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

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CA Unicenter sucks, CA support sucks.  CA sucks.  Stay away.

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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[YTTRI Lisa]

Ideally, we'd like to find a common tool to monitor Oracle, Sybase and SQL
Server databases running on both NT and Unix platforms.  There are separate
groups that are responsible for NT support and Unix support.  If we could
all use the same tool, we'd be delighted, but if not, then one tool for all
databases would be our next choice.

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Lisa,

What are you trying to monitor - just Oracle databases, the OS as well (if
so which OS) and anything else?

We use the Watchdog functionality (part of CA Unicenter) to monitor our VMS
servers (where we don't run Oracle) and it good for that.

It depends on what you are trying to achieve.

HTH,
Bruce Reardon

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Hi - 

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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[HAWKINS, JAMES W [IT/1000]]

Title: RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter



Lisa,
 
We are 
now concluding a very lengthy selection process, and it looks like we will go 
with BMC Patrol/DB X-Ray.  We refuse to do business with CA, and had a very 
bad experience with Quest I/Watch.  None of these are easy to roll-out 
enterprise wide, but the functionality is exhaustive.
 
Jim
 
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  -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 
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  RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter
  Hi Lisa, 
  CA Unicenter has been a source of many 
  nightmares and sleepless nights in the past for me.  I was very glad when 
  I quit that job... 
  Just my .02 
  Lisa Koivu Certified 
  Monkey Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 954-935-4117 
  
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Hi - 
Does anyone have experience with either of these 
products?  I'm interested in ease of 
installation, ease of use, and quality of support.  I realize 
they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a 
lot.  I've been asked to look at 
alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). 

Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm 
very interested to hear about them. 
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[YTTRI Lisa]

Title: RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter



That's 
the kind of .02 I'm looking for.   I don't need any more nightmares 
.was it bad from an installation perspective or 
usage?
 
thanks!

  -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa 
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  Unicenter
  Hi Lisa, 
  CA Unicenter has been a source of many 
  nightmares and sleepless nights in the past for me.  I was very glad when 
  I quit that job... 
  Just my .02 
  Lisa Koivu Certified 
  Monkey Fairfield Resorts, Inc. 954-935-4117 
  
-Original Message- From:   YTTRI  Lisa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:   Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:    BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter 
Hi - 
Does anyone have experience with either of these 
products?  I'm interested in ease of 
installation, ease of use, and quality of support.  I realize 
they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a 
lot.  I've been asked to look at 
alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see). 

Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm 
very interested to hear about them. 
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY)]

Lisa,

What are you trying to monitor - just Oracle databases, the OS as well (if
so which OS) and anything else?

We use the Watchdog functionality (part of CA Unicenter) to monitor our VMS
servers (where we don't run Oracle) and it good for that.

It depends on what you are trying to achieve.

HTH,
Bruce Reardon

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Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2001 7:25

Hi - 

Does anyone have experience with either of these products?  I'm interested
in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support.  I realize
they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot.  I've been asked to
look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see).

Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about
them.

Thanks much -
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Re: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[Richard Ji]

CA's support for Oracle is not very good to say the least.  Their Oracle Agent 2.x is
pretty much useless, it only monitors like 6 things.  Just by comparing their own 
product
between SQL Server Agent, DB2 Agent and Oracle Agent, you can tell that.  Oracle Agent 
3.x
is much better but still a long way to go compare to BMC Patrol's Oracle support.

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/04/01 03:25PM >>>
Hi - 

Does anyone have experience with either of these products?  I'm interested
in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support.  I realize
they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot.  I've been asked to
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Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about
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RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter

[Koivu, Lisa]

Title: RE: BMC Patrol DBXray / CA Unicenter





Hi Lisa, 


CA Unicenter has been a source of many nightmares and sleepless nights in the past for me.  I was very glad when I quit that job... 

Just my .02


Lisa Koivu
Certified Monkey
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
954-935-4117



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Hi - 


Does anyone have experience with either of these products?  I'm interested
in ease of installation, ease of use, and quality of support.  I realize
they are both pricey, but they both seem to do a lot.  I've been asked to
look at alternatives (I'm sure the cost will be prohibitive, but we'll see).


Also if you know of any comparable tools, I'm very interested to hear about
them.


Thanks much -
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RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave

[Glenn Travis]

You haven't been a DBA too long have you?

... if you manage the db, you are responsible.  period.

at least that's the way it's been everywhere for me, but I could be wrong...

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One advantage to never having been consulted on whether it should be done
and having consultants installing it is that it would be hard to blame me
for anything that goes wrong :).

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My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it monitors.
So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related
or the slow system is caused by BMC.  And the $$ it costs, ouch.

I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother ( http://bb4.com/
 ) or NetSaint ( http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/
 ).

Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that
when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending
$$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

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 ]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 2nd

Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases.
I say, huh?

Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install
and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in
the company.
I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been
deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so far,

even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from
various sql scripts and statspack.

Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, "send out your resume NOW"
recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product?
Any experience with 2nd Wave?

Thanks in advance!

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RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave

[Henry Poras]

Wow, you're absolutely right ()

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oh you silly person... it is ALWAYS the DBA's fault, whether or not it has 
to do with the database, whether or not the DBA was even employed by the 
company at the time of installation, whether or not the DBA had anything to 
do with it at all.

Repeat after me:  "I'm wrong, I've always been wrong, I will always BE 
wrong. Let's move on from there"

:)




>From: "Miller, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave
>Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:51:09 -0800
>
>One advantage to never having been consulted on whether it should be done
>and having consultants installing it is that it would be hard to blame me
>for anything that goes wrong :).
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:13 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
>My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it 
>monitors.
>So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related
>or the slow system is caused by BMC.  And the $$ it costs, ouch.
>
>I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother ( http://bb4.com/
><http://bb4.com/> ) or NetSaint ( http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/
><http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/> ).
>
>Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that
>when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending
>$$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot.
>
>That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
>
>-Original Message-
><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 
>2nd
>
>Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases.
>I say, huh?
>
>Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install
>and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in
>the company.
>I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been
>deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so 
>far,
>
>even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from
>various sql scripts and statspack.
>
>Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, "send out your resume NOW"
>recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product?
>Any experience with 2nd Wave?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Jay Miller
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RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave

[Rachel Carmichael]

oh you silly person... it is ALWAYS the DBA's fault, whether or not it has 
to do with the database, whether or not the DBA was even employed by the 
company at the time of installation, whether or not the DBA had anything to 
do with it at all.

Repeat after me:  "I'm wrong, I've always been wrong, I will always BE 
wrong. Let's move on from there"

:)




>From: "Miller, Jay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave
>Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:51:09 -0800
>
>One advantage to never having been consulted on whether it should be done
>and having consultants installing it is that it would be hard to blame me
>for anything that goes wrong :).
>
>-Original Message-
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:13 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
>My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it 
>monitors.
>So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related
>or the slow system is caused by BMC.  And the $$ it costs, ouch.
>
>I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother ( http://bb4.com/
><http://bb4.com/> ) or NetSaint ( http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/
><http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/> ).
>
>Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that
>when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending
>$$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot.
>
>That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
>
>-Original Message-
><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 
>2nd
>
>Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases.
>I say, huh?
>
>Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install
>and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in
>the company.
>I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been
>deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so 
>far,
>
>even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from
>various sql scripts and statspack.
>
>Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, "send out your resume NOW"
>recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product?
>Any experience with 2nd Wave?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Jay Miller
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RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave

[Gene Sais]

Jay - not true. when the sh*t hits the fan, they will look for you.  the consultants 
will be long gone, the cio will not take the heat for his decision.  what the cio has 
done is so typical, i've seen it before.  have you ever seen a consultant do work w/ 
long term planning/maintenance in mind.  never, their goal is get the job done, they 
won't have to support it.  i would be spending my time on monster.com or take control 
of the project!  let the consultants do the mundane tasks, like support the developers 
:)

as for bmc, wasn't impressed, but they do pay for 1 good party at ioug!!!

gene

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/01 05:51PM >>>
One advantage to never having been consulted on whether it should be done
and having consultants installing it is that it would be hard to blame me
for anything that goes wrong :).

-Original Message-
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:13 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L



My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it monitors.
So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related
or the slow system is caused by BMC.  And the $$ it costs, ouch.

I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother ( http://bb4.com/ 
 ) or NetSaint ( http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/ 
 ). 

Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that
when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending
$$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. 

-Original Message- 
 ] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 2nd

Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases. 
I say, huh? 

Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install 
and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in 
the company. 
I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been 
deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so far,

even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from 
various sql scripts and statspack.  

Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, "send out your resume NOW" 
recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product? 
Any experience with 2nd Wave? 

Thanks in advance! 

Jay Miller 
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RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave

[Miller, Jay]

One advantage to never having been consulted on whether it should be done
and having consultants installing it is that it would be hard to blame me
for anything that goes wrong :).

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My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it monitors.
So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related
or the slow system is caused by BMC.  And the $$ it costs, ouch.

I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother ( http://bb4.com/
 ) or NetSaint ( http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/
 ). 

Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that
when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending
$$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. 

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 ] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM 
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 


So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 2nd

Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases. 
I say, huh? 

Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install 
and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in 
the company. 
I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been 
deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so far,

even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from 
various sql scripts and statspack.  

Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, "send out your resume NOW" 
recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product? 
Any experience with 2nd Wave? 

Thanks in advance! 

Jay Miller 
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Re: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave

[dgoulet]

 Jay,

   Not sure about you, but if my CIO pulled that one on me, he'd have 
my resignation in about half a minute & he knows it.  That is just one 
of those "run all over your people" things that every management course 
tells you NOT to do.  Otherwise I don't know of any real problems with 
BMC stuff.

Dick Goulet

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Date: 5/16/01 12:03 PM

So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers 
for 2nd
Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases.
I say, huh?

Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) 
install
and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) 
in
the company.
I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been
deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so 
far,
even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from
various sql scripts and statspack.  

Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, "send out your resume NOW"
recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product?
Any experience with 2nd Wave?

Thanks in advance!

Jay Miller
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RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave

[Brian MacLean]

Title: RE: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave





My experience is that BMC leaves a big footprint on the systems it monitors.  So unless you have a system with 6+ cpu's the hogs reported are BMC related or the slow system is caused by BMC.  And the $$ it costs, ouch.

I have seen better results in shops using Big Brother (http://bb4.com/) or NetSaint (http://netsaint.sourceforge.net/).


Maybe Patrol works for some people. But my advise is to stay away so that when the project dies and they try to decide who is to blame for spending $$ on a POS you will not be within ear shot.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.


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From: Miller, Jay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:03 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: BMC Patrol - 2nd Wave



So my boss calls me over yesterday and tells me he needs two servers for 2nd
Wave to install BMC on to monitor the databases.
I say, huh?


Apparently the CIO decided to have a consulting company (2nd Wave) install
and configure BMC to monitor all the databases (Oracle and SQL Server) in
the company.
I met with them briefly today (only because I asked to, it hadn't been
deemed necessary before that) and I'll admit it doesn't look too bad so far,
even if we already get all the information they provide (plus more) from
various sql scripts and statspack.  


Does anyone have any gotchas, warnings, "send out your resume NOW"
recommendations for working with the BMC Patrol product?
Any experience with 2nd Wave?


Thanks in advance!


Jay Miller
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