RE: Sizing a new server - the Alpha Chip
Lisa, I went from a large AIX shop to a small shop with ALPHA. Find out what version of the operating system you have. The newer versions of the operating are supposed to be better than the older for administration. I am currently at 4.0d which is off support and can not compare to AIX. As I inherited my two 8400's after an outsourcing - there was no one here to ask questions. However, Compaq support has been 95% excellent - but you pay for it. All the documentation is available at www.compaq.com. I have several Oracle 8i databases running with no problems so far. I have been here since 4/1 as unix admin and have had to do some heavy study to support the person who is titled DBA and to learn the nuances of Digital UNIX. Still 4.0d is really not Tru64! If you need any assistance, plese let me know. Teri > -Original Message- > From: Koivu, Lisa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:16 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Sizing a new server - the Alpha Chip > > Hi Bruce, > > The list has done a good job of giving me warm fuzzies about the alpha. I > did read through those articles describing the demise of the alpha chip. > However, with the size and power of the 8400 I think we'll be OK on this > server for at least a few years, if not more. I figure as long as compaq > will support it, we'll be OK for now. There is also no shortage of > resellers for parts. > > I have never worked at a company where money was such a huge issue. Even > if I went to my boss and said, We're looking at a migration in a couple of > years due to the discontinuation of the alpha chip, let's go IBM, I'd have > to pitch a huge budget that would never fly. Upper management has no > confidence in any IT employees. We have to start somewhere to build some > credibility. > > Damn... I am really beginning to sound like a manager. I think I need a > girls' night out with Captain Morgan. > > So let's ask the entire list: Does anyone see anything negative coming > from compaq's announcement about the alpha? I really don't see it being a > huge problem. I'd be interested in any comments to the contrary. > > Thanks > Lisa Koivu > Oracle DataBored Administrator > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA > > -Original Message- > From: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject:RE: Sizing a new server > > Hi Lisa, > > I also have good feelings for VMS so don't see the problem with an Alpha. > As for the disk farms, the RAID 7000 gave very good performance on VMS so > 2 > of the es10K should be excellent. > > You and your company are of course aware that Compaq is planning to stop > Alpha chip development in 2-3 years and will port Tru64, VMS and NonStop > Kernel OS to Itanium processor family. > (if not see <http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2001/pr2001062501.html> > and <http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/ceo_letter.html> as starting > > points). > > Regards, > Bruce Reardon > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2001 2:11 > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Hi Lisa, > > That doesn't sound too bad, the 8400 is a solid piece of kit. 64-bit, up > to > 14 CPUs and 28G of memory. They have seriously good I/O bandwidth. Needs a > > three-phase power supply and weighs, literally, half a tonne. And best of > all, you can run VMS on them! > > g > > -Original Message- > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:46 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Bruce, > It's going to be Unix, tru64. Unfortunately I will be stuck with some old > > hardware to start with - an Alpha, 8400, I believe maxes out at 8 cpu's, > along with two old disk farms (compaq esa10k). I'm slapping together a > bunch of old pieces of hardware, upgrading where needed, obtaining > software > licensing where needed, compaq hardware/software support, and with some > duct > tape, political brown-nosing done by others and a few users screaming for > their data, I'll hopefully end up with some sort of reporting tool hitting > > this. (BizObj or Cogno$). Man Cognos is expensive. > I wish I could choose AIX here. It's not an option. > See doesn't this sound like a director's job?? > Say it again: I LOVE MY JOB > Lisa > -Original Message- > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:50 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
RE: Sizing a new server - the Alpha Chip
Title: RE: Sizing a new server - the Alpha Chip Only the support issue would bother me. From two standpoints: 1) Compaq and 2) Oracle. Compaq has made many promises with it's Digital acquisition, but has not really lived up to them. The OpenVMS development and alpha development has greatly slowed since that time. Compaq was really only interested in getting into the service market. It would make me wonder how much longer and at what cost (to you that is) they will support your Alpha 8400. Or the OS that runs on it (OpenVMS or their brands of Unix). Or any third party software that is designed for your particular OS. I do hear they plan on porting VMS to intel based platform (again). I'll believe it when I see it. With their hefty investment in Tru64, I can't see them not moving that along. Oracle may start dropping support since it is becoming a dead platform. Depends on the Oracle base on alpha out there. In the short run you should be fine with support. They are not going to turn off revenue (though low margin) today. As far as the hardware, the 8400 isn't new, but it is pretty damn robust. As long as you have the hardware and software support you should be fine for awhile. If you do have a great deal of time and money invested in development, it may pay to wait out and see where Compaq is going with their OS's and see if it would be a cheaper migration to move to new hardware that still supports those operating environments. Your developed applications would have less migration cost. If your management starts not liking the pricing, tell them you will load MySQL on Windows for them. OR you can load it on a free BSD (free,open or net) if they need to save the extra dime. ;-) Jon ex VMS admin dude for many VAX and Alpha machines, and I know where you can get a VAX 750 cheap as well. -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 10:16 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Sizing a new server - the Alpha Chip Hi Bruce, The list has done a good job of giving me warm fuzzies about the alpha. I did read through those articles describing the demise of the alpha chip. However, with the size and power of the 8400 I think we'll be OK on this server for at least a few years, if not more. I figure as long as compaq will support it, we'll be OK for now. There is also no shortage of resellers for parts. I have never worked at a company where money was such a huge issue. Even if I went to my boss and said, We're looking at a migration in a couple of years due to the discontinuation of the alpha chip, let's go IBM, I'd have to pitch a huge budget that would never fly. Upper management has no confidence in any IT employees. We have to start somewhere to build some credibility. Damn... I am really beginning to sound like a manager. I think I need a girls' night out with Captain Morgan. So let's ask the entire list: Does anyone see anything negative coming from compaq's announcement about the alpha? I really don't see it being a huge problem. I'd be interested in any comments to the contrary. Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle DataBored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA
RE: Sizing a new server - the Alpha Chip
Title: RE: Sizing a new server - the Alpha Chip Hi Bruce, The list has done a good job of giving me warm fuzzies about the alpha. I did read through those articles describing the demise of the alpha chip. However, with the size and power of the 8400 I think we'll be OK on this server for at least a few years, if not more. I figure as long as compaq will support it, we'll be OK for now. There is also no shortage of resellers for parts. I have never worked at a company where money was such a huge issue. Even if I went to my boss and said, We're looking at a migration in a couple of years due to the discontinuation of the alpha chip, let's go IBM, I'd have to pitch a huge budget that would never fly. Upper management has no confidence in any IT employees. We have to start somewhere to build some credibility. Damn... I am really beginning to sound like a manager. I think I need a girls' night out with Captain Morgan. So let's ask the entire list: Does anyone see anything negative coming from compaq's announcement about the alpha? I really don't see it being a huge problem. I'd be interested in any comments to the contrary. Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle DataBored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA -Original Message- From: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Sizing a new server Hi Lisa, I also have good feelings for VMS so don't see the problem with an Alpha. As for the disk farms, the RAID 7000 gave very good performance on VMS so 2 of the es10K should be excellent. You and your company are of course aware that Compaq is planning to stop Alpha chip development in 2-3 years and will port Tru64, VMS and NonStop Kernel OS to Itanium processor family. (if not see http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2001/pr2001062501.html and http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/ceo_letter.html as starting points). Regards, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2001 2:11 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Lisa, That doesn't sound too bad, the 8400 is a solid piece of kit. 64-bit, up to 14 CPUs and 28G of memory. They have seriously good I/O bandwidth. Needs a three-phase power supply and weighs, literally, half a tonne. And best of all, you can run VMS on them! g -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:46 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Bruce, It's going to be Unix, tru64. Unfortunately I will be stuck with some old hardware to start with - an Alpha, 8400, I believe maxes out at 8 cpu's, along with two old disk farms (compaq esa10k). I'm slapping together a bunch of old pieces of hardware, upgrading where needed, obtaining software licensing where needed, compaq hardware/software support, and with some duct tape, political brown-nosing done by others and a few users screaming for their data, I'll hopefully end up with some sort of reporting tool hitting this. (BizObj or Cogno$). Man Cognos is expensive. I wish I could choose AIX here. It's not an option. See doesn't this sound like a director's job?? Say it again: I LOVE MY JOB Lisa -Original Message- [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa, Some may laugh at the question but what OS - NT, Unix, VMS or ? Regards, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 4:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks Kimberly, I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :) They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty. Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I did Lisa -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server, that would notice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: RE: Sizing a new server
Yep,
the "money no object" lasted for a while, then the fab closed down
-Original Message-From: Kimberly Smith
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 10 July 2001
17:33To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject:
RE: Sizing a new server
Actually, it really depends on the industry at the moment as to whether
or not money is no object. Currently money is a huge issue. The
semi-conductor fabs are not doing so hot right now (at least not the memory
producing ones). Fabs are all pretty much in a slow down.
-Original Message-From: Robertson Lee - lerobe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:45
AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE:
Sizing a new server
By
the sounds of it, Kimberley was in a very similar situation to me when I was
working for a semi-conductor manufacturing company afew years ago (the worst
job I ever had).Basically money was no object and anything was feasible as
long as the fab kept running 24x7.
-Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 09 July 2001
19:36To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Sizing a new server
Thanks Kimberly,
I wish it was that way. I
have to justify my request with hard numbers or they are going to laugh at
me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :) They don't yet
know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of reaction
involving creative expletives... not pretty.
Good for you. At least you
have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I did
Lisa
-Original Message-
From: Kimberly Smith
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July
09, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:
RE: Sizing a new server
Get the biggest, kick ass
server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine
they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter
what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the
nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service
Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some
important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get
ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you
go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there
are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be
me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server,
that would notice.
-Original
Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday,
July 09, 2001 8:30 AMTo: Multiple recipients of
list ORACLE-LSubject: Sizing a new
server
Good morning everyone,
Lucky me, I get to choose the size
of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have
been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses
based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is,
but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is
for a dw application.
Can anyone point me to a website,
book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a
machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a
sysadmin on staff...
Thanks
Lisa KoivuOracle Data
Bored AdministratorFt. Lauderdale, FL, USA954-935-4117
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RE: Sizing a new server
Hi Lisa, I also have good feelings for VMS so don't see the problem with an Alpha. As for the disk farms, the RAID 7000 gave very good performance on VMS so 2 of the es10K should be excellent. You and your company are of course aware that Compaq is planning to stop Alpha chip development in 2-3 years and will port Tru64, VMS and NonStop Kernel OS to Itanium processor family. (if not see http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2001/pr2001062501.html and http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/ceo_letter.html as starting points). Regards, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2001 2:11 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Lisa, That doesn't sound too bad, the 8400 is a solid piece of kit. 64-bit, up to 14 CPUs and 28G of memory. They have seriously good I/O bandwidth. Needs a three-phase power supply and weighs, literally, half a tonne. And best of all, you can run VMS on them! g -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:46 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Bruce, It's going to be Unix, tru64. Unfortunately I will be stuck with some old hardware to start with - an Alpha, 8400, I believe maxes out at 8 cpu's, along with two old disk farms (compaq esa10k). I'm slapping together a bunch of old pieces of hardware, upgrading where needed, obtaining software licensing where needed, compaq hardware/software support, and with some duct tape, political brown-nosing done by others and a few users screaming for their data, I'll hopefully end up with some sort of reporting tool hitting this. (BizObj or Cogno$). Man Cognos is expensive. I wish I could choose AIX here. It's not an option. See doesn't this sound like a director's job?? Say it again: I LOVE MY JOB Lisa -Original Message- [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa, Some may laugh at the question but what OS - NT, Unix, VMS or ? Regards, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 4:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks Kimberly, I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :) They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty. Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I did Lisa -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server, that would notice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle Data Bored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 954-935-4117 -- -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: RE: Sizing a new server Actually, it really depends on the industry at the moment as to whether or not money is no object. Currently money is a huge issue. The semi-conductor fabs are not doing so hot right now (at least not the memory producing ones). Fabs are all pretty much in a slow down. -Original Message-From: Robertson Lee - lerobe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:45 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Sizing a new server By the sounds of it, Kimberley was in a very similar situation to me when I was working for a semi-conductor manufacturing company afew years ago (the worst job I ever had).Basically money was no object and anything was feasible as long as the fab kept running 24x7. -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 09 July 2001 19:36To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Sizing a new server Thanks Kimberly, I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :) They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty. Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I did Lisa -Original Message- From: Kimberly Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Sizing a new server Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server, that would notice. -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Sizing a new server Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa KoivuOracle Data Bored AdministratorFt. Lauderdale, FL, USA954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant Corporation or Affiliates are not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information contained in this communication isconfidential, is intended only for the use of the recipientnamed above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you arehereby notified that any dissemination, distribution orcopying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computersystem.
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: RE: Sizing a new server Hi Lisa, That doesn't sound too bad, the 8400 is a solid piece of kit. 64-bit, up to 14 CPUs and 28G of memory. They have seriously good I/O bandwidth. Needs a three-phase power supply and weighs, literally, half a tonne. And best of all, you can run VMS on them! g -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:46 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Sizing a new server Bruce, It's going to be Unix, tru64. Unfortunately I will be stuck with some old hardware to start with - an Alpha, 8400, I believe maxes out at 8 cpu's, along with two old disk farms (compaq esa10k). I'm slapping together a bunch of old pieces of hardware, upgrading where needed, obtaining software licensing where needed, compaq hardware/software support, and with some duct tape, political brown-nosing done by others and a few users screaming for their data, I'll hopefully end up with some sort of reporting tool hitting this. (BizObj or Cogno$). Man Cognos is expensive. I wish I could choose AIX here. It's not an option. See doesn't this sound like a director's job?? Say it again: I LOVE MY JOB Lisa -Original Message- From: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Sizing a new server Lisa, Some may laugh at the question but what OS - NT, Unix, VMS or ? Regards, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 4:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks Kimberly, I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :) They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty. Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I did Lisa -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server, that would notice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle Data Bored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 954-935-4117 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: RE: Sizing a new server Bruce, It's going to be Unix, tru64. Unfortunately I will be stuck with some old hardware to start with - an Alpha, 8400, I believe maxes out at 8 cpu's, along with two old disk farms (compaq esa10k). I'm slapping together a bunch of old pieces of hardware, upgrading where needed, obtaining software licensing where needed, compaq hardware/software support, and with some duct tape, political brown-nosing done by others and a few users screaming for their data, I'll hopefully end up with some sort of reporting tool hitting this. (BizObj or Cogno$). Man Cognos is expensive. I wish I could choose AIX here. It's not an option. See doesn't this sound like a director's job?? Say it again: I LOVE MY JOB Lisa -Original Message- From: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Sizing a new server Lisa, Some may laugh at the question but what OS - NT, Unix, VMS or ? Regards, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 4:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks Kimberly, I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :) They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty. Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I did Lisa -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server, that would notice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle Data Bored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 954-935-4117 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: RE: Sizing a new server By the sounds of it, Kimberley was in a very similar situation to me when I was working for a semi-conductor manufacturing company afew years ago (the worst job I ever had).Basically money was no object and anything was feasible as long as the fab kept running 24x7. -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 09 July 2001 19:36To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Sizing a new server Thanks Kimberly, I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :) They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty. Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I did Lisa -Original Message- From: Kimberly Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Sizing a new server Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server, that would notice. -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Sizing a new server Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa KoivuOracle Data Bored AdministratorFt. Lauderdale, FL, USA954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant Corporation or Affiliates are not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
RE: Sizing a new server
Lisa, Some may laugh at the question but what OS - NT, Unix, VMS or ? Regards, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 4:36 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks Kimberly, I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :) They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty. Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I did Lisa -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server, that would notice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle Data Bored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 954-935-4117 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: RE: Sizing a new server Yea no Sh*t! I am beginning to miss the E10K I used to work on... now I have to talk fast and push buttons to even get a little 1-cpu dec as1000 box outfitted with hardware and software. Boy have times changed No, I'm almost going to suggest I go to this meeting with management on this one. I'll go to bat for a budget with hard numbers I believe in. Gosh, I may have to brush up on my political skills :P HA. I'm beginning to sound like a director. OH GAWD, NOoooOOOoo! -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Sizing a new server Lisa , If you ever find a damagement which gives you what you want just because "thats what you wanted"...let me know . I would sell my soul to get in there ;) . You have to manipulate the figures to show that you want a particulat kinda machine . It is sorta like reverse engineering ! You decide the machine you want and work out the result figures accordingly . Of course they have to be atleast slightly true you don't want them to go and do a simple search and find out the facts ...do you..??!! ;) Cheers , RS --- "Koivu, Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Kimberly, > > I wish it was that way. I have to justify my > request with hard numbers or > they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because > that's what I want". :) > They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would > be a knee-jerk type of > reaction involving creative expletives... not > pretty. > > Good for you. At least you have some real hardware > and true HA. I wish I > did > > Lisa > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kimberly Smith > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Sizing a new server > > > > Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you > buy. If your site is > > anything like mine they just keep asking for more > and more databases. So > > no matter what I have now I know its not enough. > I am really happy with > > the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting > next door running Service > > Guard. I am also getting a A-class database > cluster for some important > > but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only > get ride of the 5 > > K-class database servers. Its kind of like when > you go from a fast to a > > slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are > issues with performance > > from the databases. It would only be me, while > playing (which of course > > means working) on the server, that would notice. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Koivu, Lisa > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Sizing a new server > > > > > > > > Good morning everyone, > > > > Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server > this company should > > consider purchasing. I have been poking around on > the net for any > > guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut > feel and how strapped > > the current unix server is, but I want to be able > to back this up with > > hard numbers. This is for a dw application. > > > > Can anyone point me to a website, book, or > anything in particular > > that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's > so fun working for a > > company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... > > > > Thanks > > > > Lisa Koivu > > Oracle Data Bored Administrator > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA > > 954-935-4117 > > > > The information in the electronic mail message is > Cendant > > confidential and may be legally privileged, it is > intended solely for the > > addressee(s) access to this internet electronic > mail message by anyone > > else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > recipient, any > > disclosure, copying, distribution or any action > taken or omitted to be > > taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be > unlawful. > > > > The sender believes that this E-mail and any > attachments were free > > of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious > code when sent. This > > message and its attachments could have been > infected during transmission. > > By reading the message and opening any > attachments, the rec
RE: Sizing a new server
Lisa, I actually wanted the Superdome. I settled. Start big, settle big but not as big. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:41 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lisa , If you ever find a damagement which gives you what you want just because "thats what you wanted"...let me know . I would sell my soul to get in there ;) . You have to manipulate the figures to show that you want a particulat kinda machine . It is sorta like reverse engineering ! You decide the machine you want and work out the result figures accordingly . Of course they have to be atleast slightly true you don't want them to go and do a simple search and find out the facts ...do you..??!! ;) Cheers , RS --- "Koivu, Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Kimberly, > > I wish it was that way. I have to justify my > request with hard numbers or > they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because > that's what I want". :) > They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would > be a knee-jerk type of > reaction involving creative expletives... not > pretty. > > Good for you. At least you have some real hardware > and true HA. I wish I > did > > Lisa > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kimberly Smith > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: Sizing a new server > > > > Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you > buy. If your site is > > anything like mine they just keep asking for more > and more databases. So > > no matter what I have now I know its not enough. > I am really happy with > > the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting > next door running Service > > Guard. I am also getting a A-class database > cluster for some important > > but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only > get ride of the 5 > > K-class database servers. Its kind of like when > you go from a fast to a > > slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are > issues with performance > > from the databases. It would only be me, while > playing (which of course > > means working) on the server, that would notice. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Koivu, Lisa > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Sizing a new server > > > > > > > > Good morning everyone, > > > > Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server > this company should > > consider purchasing. I have been poking around on > the net for any > > guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut > feel and how strapped > > the current unix server is, but I want to be able > to back this up with > > hard numbers. This is for a dw application. > > > > Can anyone point me to a website, book, or > anything in particular > > that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's > so fun working for a > > company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... > > > > Thanks > > > > Lisa Koivu > > Oracle Data Bored Administrator > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA > > 954-935-4117 > > > > The information in the electronic mail message is > Cendant > > confidential and may be legally privileged, it is > intended solely for the > > addressee(s) access to this internet electronic > mail message by anyone > > else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > recipient, any > > disclosure, copying, distribution or any action > taken or omitted to be > > taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be > unlawful. > > > > The sender believes that this E-mail and any > attachments were free > > of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious > code when sent. This > > message and its attachments could have been > infected during transmission. > > By reading the message and opening any > attachments, the recipient accepts > > full responsibility for taking protective and > remedial action about > > viruses and other defects. Cendant Corporation or > Affiliates are not > > liable for any loss or damage arising in any way > from this message or its > > attachments. > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Au
RE: Sizing a new server
Lisa , If you ever find a damagement which gives you what you want just because "thats what you wanted"...let me know . I would sell my soul to get in there ;) . You have to manipulate the figures to show that you want a particulat kinda machine . It is sorta like reverse engineering ! You decide the machine you want and work out the result figures accordingly . Of course they have to be atleast slightly true you don't want them to go and do a simple search and find out the facts ...do you..??!! ;) Cheers , RS --- "Koivu, Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Kimberly, > > I wish it was that way. I have to justify my > request with hard numbers or > they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because > that's what I want". :) > They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would > be a knee-jerk type of > reaction involving creative expletives... not > pretty. > > Good for you. At least you have some real hardware > and true HA. I wish I > did > > Lisa > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kimberly Smith > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject:RE: Sizing a new server > > > > Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you > buy. If your site is > > anything like mine they just keep asking for more > and more databases. So > > no matter what I have now I know its not enough. > I am really happy with > > the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting > next door running Service > > Guard. I am also getting a A-class database > cluster for some important > > but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only > get ride of the 5 > > K-class database servers. Its kind of like when > you go from a fast to a > > slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are > issues with performance > > from the databases. It would only be me, while > playing (which of course > > means working) on the server, that would notice. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Koivu, Lisa > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Sizing a new server > > > > > > > > Good morning everyone, > > > > Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server > this company should > > consider purchasing. I have been poking around on > the net for any > > guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut > feel and how strapped > > the current unix server is, but I want to be able > to back this up with > > hard numbers. This is for a dw application. > > > > Can anyone point me to a website, book, or > anything in particular > > that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's > so fun working for a > > company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... > > > > Thanks > > > > Lisa Koivu > > Oracle Data Bored Administrator > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA > > 954-935-4117 > > > > The information in the electronic mail message is > Cendant > > confidential and may be legally privileged, it is > intended solely for the > > addressee(s) access to this internet electronic > mail message by anyone > > else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended > recipient, any > > disclosure, copying, distribution or any action > taken or omitted to be > > taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be > unlawful. > > > > The sender believes that this E-mail and any > attachments were free > > of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious > code when sent. This > > message and its attachments could have been > infected during transmission. > > By reading the message and opening any > attachments, the recipient accepts > > full responsibility for taking protective and > remedial action about > > viruses and other defects. Cendant Corporation or > Affiliates are not > > liable for any loss or damage arising in any way > from this message or its > > attachments. > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Sizing a new server
Hi Lisa, You may want to take a look at a paper #112 at Craig Shallahamer's site http://www.orapub.com, titled "The Ratio Modeling Technique: Quickly Performing Low Confidence Capacity Predictions Using Ratio Modeling". It has recently been updated. It would give you some ideas to generate those numbers and/or ask for more information that would help generate those numbers. HTH, Regards, - Kirti Deshpande Verizon Information Services http://www.superpages.com > -Original Message- > From: Koivu, Lisa [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:36 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Sizing a new server > > Thanks Kimberly, > > I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or > they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". > :) They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk > type of reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty. > > Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I > did > > Lisa > > > -Original Message- > From: Kimberly Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject:RE: Sizing a new server > > Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is > anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So > no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with > the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service > Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important > but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 > K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a > slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance > from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course > means working) on the server, that would notice. > > -Original Message- > From: Koivu, Lisa [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Sizing a new server > > > > Good morning everyone, > > Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should > consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any > guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped > the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with > hard numbers. This is for a dw application. > > Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular > that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a > company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... > > Thanks > > Lisa Koivu > Oracle Data Bored Administrator > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA > 954-935-4117 > > > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: RE: Sizing a new server Thanks Kimberly, I wish it was that way. I have to justify my request with hard numbers or they are going to laugh at me when I say, "Because that's what I want". :) They don't yet know how I'd react to that, it would be a knee-jerk type of reaction involving creative expletives... not pretty. Good for you. At least you have some real hardware and true HA. I wish I did Lisa -Original Message- From: Kimberly Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Sizing a new server Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server, that would notice. -Original Message- From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Sizing a new server Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle Data Bored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant Corporation or Affiliates are not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: RE: Sizing a new server That's the Guy Hammond I remember from a couple of years ago. Very useful posts with a bit of humor attached :) Thanks Guy! Lisa -Original Message- From: Guy Hammond [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Sizing a new server Hi Lisa, Pick your favorite vendor and ask 'em if they've got anything like this: <http://www.compaq.com/solutions/enterprise/database-oracle-sizer-download.html> If it's going to be a big purchase, most vendors will send someone over to take a look too. I remember the good 'ol days when you could call up a DEC sales rep and tell him you wanted to by so many VUPs (VAX Units of Performance). There were tables and formulae you could use to work up how many VUPs you needed to run your application, so you just ordered like that, and took whatever kit they sent you... kinda like walking into a diner and just saying "I'm very hungry, just give me some food!". SGI used to have a policy that if they'd sized a system for you and it wouldn't deliver the transactions/sec that you were expecting, they'd upgrade your equipment for free until it did. Unfortunately, SGI now means "soon going insolvent" :0( Completely off topic, but I read once that the army of the former Soviet Empire used to size battle groups using tables and formulae too. They could plug in variables for the strength of the enemy, the terrain, the weather etc and their method would tell them how many of which sorts of battalions they'd need. Maybe it was like Lee's index calculation - they'd only get one-fifth of the tanks they needed! :0) HTH, g -Original Message- From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Sizing a new server Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle Data Bored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 954-935-4117
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: Sizing a new server Get the biggest, kick ass server they will let you buy. If your site is anything like mine they just keep asking for more and more databases. So no matter what I have now I know its not enough. I am really happy with the nice new N-class HP cluster I have sitting next door running Service Guard. I am also getting a A-class database cluster for some important but not fab critical databases. Now if I can only get ride of the 5 K-class database servers. Its kind of like when you go from a fast to a slow PC. Drives me crazy. Not that there are issues with performance from the databases. It would only be me, while playing (which of course means working) on the server, that would notice. -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:30 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Sizing a new server Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle Data Bored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 954-935-4117 The information in the electronic mail message is Cendant confidential and may be legally privileged, it is intended solely for the addressee(s) access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other defects. Cendant Corporation or Affiliates are not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments.
RE: Sizing a new server
Title: Sizing a new server Hi Lisa, Pick your favorite vendor and ask 'em if they've got anything like this: http://www.compaq.com/solutions/enterprise/database-oracle-sizer-download.html If it's going to be a big purchase, most vendors will send someone over to take a look too. I remember the good 'ol days when you could call up a DEC sales rep and tell him you wanted to by so many VUPs (VAX Units of Performance). There were tables and formulae you could use to work up how many VUPs you needed to run your application, so you just ordered like that, and took whatever kit they sent you... kinda like walking into a diner and just saying "I'm very hungry, just give me some food!". SGI used to have a policy that if they'd sized a system for you and it wouldn't deliver the transactions/sec that you were expecting, they'd upgrade your equipment for free until it did. Unfortunately, SGI now means "soon going insolvent" :0( Completely off topic, but I read once that the army of the former Soviet Empire used to size battle groups using tables and formulae too. They could plug in variables for the strength of the enemy, the terrain, the weather etc and their method would tell them how many of which sorts of battalions they'd need. Maybe it was like Lee's index calculation - they'd only get one-fifth of the tanks they needed! :0) HTH, g -Original Message-From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:30 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Sizing a new server Good morning everyone, Lucky me, I get to choose the size of the server this company should consider purchasing. I have been poking around on the net for any guidelines - I can make guesses based upon my gut feel and how strapped the current unix server is, but I want to be able to back this up with hard numbers. This is for a dw application. Can anyone point me to a website, book, or anything in particular that can help me justify sizing a machine? It's so fun working for a company that doesn't have a sysadmin on staff... Thanks Lisa Koivu Oracle Data Bored Administrator Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 954-935-4117
