Re: init.ora processes ??

2002-08-18 Thread Yechiel Adar

Another thing to consider is this:

From OraPerf:
The LGWR needs to scan all processes to find each process that is
waiting for the commit to be written.

So when you have an excess of process LGWR works harder.

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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 How about with Microsoft Windows NT ?
 --- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  For each process 'reserved' by oracle, there is a
  small amount of space
  allocated in the SGA and a semaphore is reserved at
  the O/S level (assuming
  UNIX). A lesser number of processes will allocate a
  slightly smaller amount
  of SGA and fewer semaphores. Until a session is
  started, no other memory is
  allocated.
 
  Dan Fink
 
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  All,
 
  What is the impact of processes init.ora parameter
  other than restricting number of user sessions ? I
  know it needs more memory (like stack size + sort
  area
  size + etc. ) whenever it gets new connection.
 
  My question is:
  Is there any additional resource (does it take more
  memory? ) usage if I start database with 100
  processes
  versus 200 processes as init.ora parameter (assuming
  that I have same number of sessions in both cases).
 
  Thanks for your help.
 
  Bob
 
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RE: init.ora processes ??

2002-08-16 Thread Fink, Dan

For each process 'reserved' by oracle, there is a small amount of space
allocated in the SGA and a semaphore is reserved at the O/S level (assuming
UNIX). A lesser number of processes will allocate a slightly smaller amount
of SGA and fewer semaphores. Until a session is started, no other memory is
allocated.

Dan Fink

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All,

What is the impact of processes init.ora parameter
other than restricting number of user sessions ? I
know it needs more memory (like stack size + sort area
size + etc. ) whenever it gets new connection.

My question is:
Is there any additional resource (does it take more
memory? ) usage if I start database with 100 processes
versus 200 processes as init.ora parameter (assuming
that I have same number of sessions in both cases). 

Thanks for your help.

Bob

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Re: init.ora processes ??

2002-08-16 Thread Rachel Carmichael

the larger the number of processes in the init.ora, the larger the
number of semaphores you need on most Unix systems. Not all, I *think*
from reading the list that AIX doesn't use semaphores (I've only worked
on HP-UX and SUN, both of which use semaphores)

If the processes parameter is set so high that there are no more
semaphores available, your database won't open


--- Bob Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 All,
 
 What is the impact of processes init.ora parameter
 other than restricting number of user sessions ? I
 know it needs more memory (like stack size + sort area
 size + etc. ) whenever it gets new connection.
 
 My question is:
 Is there any additional resource (does it take more
 memory? ) usage if I start database with 100 processes
 versus 200 processes as init.ora parameter (assuming
 that I have same number of sessions in both cases). 
 
 Thanks for your help.
 
 Bob
 
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RE: init.ora processes ??

2002-08-16 Thread Bob Robert

How about with Microsoft Windows NT ?
--- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For each process 'reserved' by oracle, there is a
 small amount of space
 allocated in the SGA and a semaphore is reserved at
 the O/S level (assuming
 UNIX). A lesser number of processes will allocate a
 slightly smaller amount
 of SGA and fewer semaphores. Until a session is
 started, no other memory is
 allocated.
 
 Dan Fink
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:44 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 All,
 
 What is the impact of processes init.ora parameter
 other than restricting number of user sessions ? I
 know it needs more memory (like stack size + sort
 area
 size + etc. ) whenever it gets new connection.
 
 My question is:
 Is there any additional resource (does it take more
 memory? ) usage if I start database with 100
 processes
 versus 200 processes as init.ora parameter (assuming
 that I have same number of sessions in both cases). 
 
 Thanks for your help.
 
 Bob
 
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Re: Init.ora and Config.ora

2002-06-13 Thread Rachel Carmichael

I tend to only use the init.ora file


--- Fink, Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Beware...DBA heresy below...
  
 I am in the process of cleaining up parameter files and wonder why we
 still
 maintain an init.ora and config.ora. The original rational was that
 one
 contained the database configuration/creation parameters while the
 other was
 used for tuning. 
  
 Is there a good reason why we have 2 files instead of a single file?
 
 Daniel W. Fink 
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 303.486.6456 
 
  
 


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Re: Init.ora and Config.ora

2002-06-13 Thread Jared . Still

Can be useful on servers with multiple databases. 

config.ora can contain parameters that you may wish to be
common among all databases on the server.

e.g.

NAME  VALUE   VAL? MOD? MOD?
- 
--   
audit_trail   DB   NNN
db_block_size 8192   NNN
db_files  1024   NNN
global_names  FALSE   NYI
job_queue_interval30   NNN
job_queue_processes   2   NNI
log_archive_start TRUE   NNN
max_dump_file_size10240   NYI
max_enabled_roles 30   NNN
os_authent_prefix   NNN
timed_statistics  TRUE   NYI


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Beware...DBA heresy below...
 
I am in the process of cleaining up parameter files and wonder why we 
still maintain an init.ora and config.ora. The original rational was that 
one contained the database configuration/creation parameters while the 
other was used for tuning. 
 
Is there a good reason why we have 2 files instead of a single file?
Daniel W. Fink 
Sr. Oracle DBA 
MICROMEDEX 
303.486.6456 
 


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Re: Init.ora and Config.ora

2002-06-13 Thread Tim Gorman



I always thought it was for separating 
instance-specific parameters from database-specific parameters in an OPS 
environment. At least, that's one place where it is very useful to have 
separate files. Of course, it was a matter of style whether "config.ora" 
was the database-level one or vice-versa...

Also, somewhere back in the mists of time, any 
".ora" file for initialization parameters had to be less than 10,000 characters 
in size; anything beyond that boundary was simply not used(I kid you 
not!). So, having multiple files related by "ifile=" was the workaround, 
especially for those neurotic souls who insisted on leaving comments for 
documentation...

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Fink, Dan 
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:48 
  AM
  Subject: Init.ora and Config.ora
  
  Beware...DBA 
  heresy below...
  
  I am in the 
  process of cleaining up parameter files and wonder why we still maintain an 
  init.ora and config.ora. The original rational was that one contained the 
  database configuration/creation parameters while the other was used for 
  tuning. 
  
  Is there a good 
  reason why we have 2 files instead of a single file?
  Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 
  


Re: Init.ora and Config.ora

2002-06-13 Thread Rachel Carmichael

REAL DBAs don't need comments?

:)


--- Tim Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I always thought it was for separating instance-specific parameters
 from database-specific parameters in an OPS environment.  At least,
 that's one place where it is very useful to have separate files.  Of
 course, it was a matter of style whether config.ora was the
 database-level one or vice-versa...
 
 Also, somewhere back in the mists of time, any .ora file for
 initialization parameters had to be less than 10,000 characters in
 size;  anything beyond that boundary was simply not used (I kid you
 not!).  So, having multiple files related by ifile= was the
 workaround, especially for those neurotic souls who insisted on
 leaving comments for documentation...
   - Original Message - 
   From: Fink, Dan 
   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 
   Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:48 AM
   Subject: Init.ora and Config.ora
 
 
   Beware...DBA heresy below...
 
   I am in the process of cleaining up parameter files and wonder why
 we still maintain an init.ora and config.ora. The original rational
 was that one contained the database configuration/creation parameters
 while the other was used for tuning. 
 
   Is there a good reason why we have 2 files instead of a single
 file?
   Daniel W. Fink 
   Sr. Oracle DBA 
   MICROMEDEX 
   303.486.6456 
 
 
 


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RE: Init.ora and Config.ora

2002-06-13 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F



Dan,

I 
agree with Rachel. I have one init.ora file for each database 
instance. I personally *HATE* the "ifile" business. All that it does 
is make me go searching in another directory to see what the parameters are set 
to.

I like 
to go to one directory/one file to set/review my init params. I can see 
everything in one place, and I don't have to go searching/remembering where 
things are.

I also 
keep this file in the ORACLE_HOME/dbs or database directory (depending on 
OS). Frig the pfile directory. Another lousy idea from 
somebody.

hope 
this helps.

Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional 

  -Original Message-From: Tim Gorman 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 1:49 
  PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  Init.ora and Config.ora
  I always thought it was for separating 
  instance-specific parameters from database-specific parameters in an OPS 
  environment. At least, that's one place where it is very useful to have 
  separate files. Of course, it was a matter of style whether "config.ora" 
  was the database-level one or vice-versa...
  
  Also, somewhere back in the mists of time, any 
  ".ora" file for initialization parameters had to be less than 10,000 
  characters in size; anything beyond that boundary was simply not 
  used(I kid you not!). So, having multiple files related by 
  "ifile=" was the workaround, especially for those neurotic souls who insisted 
  on leaving comments for documentation...
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Fink, Dan 

To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:48 
AM
Subject: Init.ora and Config.ora

Beware...DBA 
heresy below...

I am in the 
process of cleaining up parameter files and wonder why we still maintain an 
init.ora and config.ora. The original rational was that one contained the 
database configuration/creation parameters while the other was used for 
tuning. 

Is there a good 
reason why we have 2 files instead of a single file?
Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 



RE: Init.ora and Config.ora

2002-06-13 Thread Fink, Dan



I 
agree about OPS/RAC distinctions. I wonder if that was the original 
justification that then took hold elsewhere.

I 
distinctly remember a few days at a certain unamed media outlet that were spent 
trying to figure out why rollback segments weren't coming 
online...

Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 

  -Original Message-From: Tim Gorman 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:49 
  AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: 
  Init.ora and Config.ora
  I always thought it was for separating 
  instance-specific parameters from database-specific parameters in an OPS 
  environment. At least, that's one place where it is very useful to have 
  separate files. Of course, it was a matter of style whether "config.ora" 
  was the database-level one or vice-versa...
  
  Also, somewhere back in the mists of time, any 
  ".ora" file for initialization parameters had to be less than 10,000 
  characters in size; anything beyond that boundary was simply not 
  used(I kid you not!). So, having multiple files related by 
  "ifile=" was the workaround, especially for those neurotic souls who insisted 
  on leaving comments for documentation...
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Fink, Dan 

To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 

Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:48 
AM
Subject: Init.ora and Config.ora

Beware...DBA 
heresy below...

I am in the 
process of cleaining up parameter files and wonder why we still maintain an 
init.ora and config.ora. The original rational was that one contained the 
database configuration/creation parameters while the other was used for 
tuning. 

Is there a good 
reason why we have 2 files instead of a single file?
Daniel W. Fink Sr. Oracle DBA MICROMEDEX 303.486.6456 



RE: init.ora params for quick i/0

2002-05-23 Thread Mohammed . Ahsanuddin

As suggested by Frank, turning on Cached option of Quick I/O really helped
the reads (at the same time with some negative impact on writes). At this
point I have enabled cache quick i/o on data file systems. This is on a sun
e10k with 28 cpu and 28g ram. 

If anyone who has used cached quick i/o can comment if there are any
pros/cons of using this option, would be great. 

Thanks

Mohammed Ahsanuddin
Oracle DBA

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Silly question maybe, but have you verified that those kaio call are 
succeeding?

Their mere appearance in the truss output only verifies async is being 
attempted.

If the kaio calls fail, they fall back on standard io calls.

Since you're on solaris, pick up Adrian Cockroft's Sun tuning book, you 
will find
it invaluable.

Jared






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Hello,

We have implemented quick i/o on a sun server running solaris 8 and Oracle
8173. I have set disk_asynch to true. I have verified using truss that 
dbwr
is making kaio calls. Is there anything I am missing on the db side to 
make
proper use of quick i/o ?

Also, I am noticing heavy I/O related waits for a process (db file
sequential read, db file parallel write etc..) and would like to involve 
our
sys admin in tuning this particular process..If anyone has any idea what I
can specifically ask the sys admin to look at, please do let me know..

I really appreciate any feedback I could get..

Thanks

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Re: init.ora params for quick i/0

2002-05-21 Thread Jared . Still

Silly question maybe, but have you verified that those kaio call are 
succeeding?

Their mere appearance in the truss output only verifies async is being 
attempted.

If the kaio calls fail, they fall back on standard io calls.

Since you're on solaris, pick up Adrian Cockroft's Sun tuning book, you 
will find
it invaluable.

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Hello,

We have implemented quick i/o on a sun server running solaris 8 and Oracle
8173. I have set disk_asynch to true. I have verified using truss that 
dbwr
is making kaio calls. Is there anything I am missing on the db side to 
make
proper use of quick i/o ?

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can specifically ask the sys admin to look at, please do let me know..

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RE: init.ora params for quick i/0

2002-05-21 Thread Mohammed . Ahsanuddin

Jarred,

Here is a sample what I get from truss..There are no error messages saying
which indicates that AIO calls are falling back to standard IO calls...Is
there any other way of identifying that?

And also thanks for the book suggestion..I was waiting for a newer release
though, but will go with the current one.

===
24230:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28239248
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 369, 0x88BC, 8192, 0x3B75A000, 0x01BA7234) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 355, 0x89E9C000, 8192, 0x1AF46000, 0x01BA13E8) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 365, 0x89704000, 8192, 0x3B998000, 0x01B822E0) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 365, 0x89532000, 8192, 0x3BA28000, 0x01B66BA8) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 365, 0x8986C000, 8192, 0x3BAFC000, 0x01BAEE1C) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28844768
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28996148
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28732328
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 29027868
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28972008
24234:  kaio(6, 0x, 0x, 0x0001, 0xFFBED44C, 0x0004,
0x) (sleeping...)
24232:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 399, 0xA1954000, 8192, 0x727CC000, 0x01BCDBD4) = 0
24232:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 29154260
24230:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 401, 0x8E714000, 8192, 0x1B12, 0x01B68CAC) = 0
24230:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28740780
24234:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 402, 0xA816A000, 8192, 0x1AFE2000, 0x01AFAD24) = 0
24234:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 402, 0xAA084000, 8192, 0x1B00E000, 0x01B984E8) = 0
24234:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 390, 0xA900, 8192, 0x50822000, 0x01C165A0) = 0
24234:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28935400
24234:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28290340
=
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Silly question maybe, but have you verified that those kaio call are 
succeeding?

Their mere appearance in the truss output only verifies async is being 
attempted.

If the kaio calls fail, they fall back on standard io calls.

Since you're on solaris, pick up Adrian Cockroft's Sun tuning book, you 
will find
it invaluable.

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Hello,

We have implemented quick i/o on a sun server running solaris 8 and Oracle
8173. I have set disk_asynch to true. I have verified using truss that 
dbwr
is making kaio calls. Is there anything I am missing on the db side to 
make
proper use of quick i/o ?

Also, I am noticing heavy I/O related waits for a process (db file
sequential read, db file parallel write etc..) and would like to involve 
our
sys admin in tuning this particular process..If anyone has any idea what I
can specifically ask the sys admin to look at, please do let me know..

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RE: init.ora params for quick i/0

2002-05-21 Thread Jared . Still

There would be an error value at the end of the call, and the next call 
would
be a standard write call ( pwrite I think ).
Jared





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Jarred,

Here is a sample what I get from truss..There are no error messages saying
which indicates that AIO calls are falling back to standard IO calls...Is
there any other way of identifying that?

And also thanks for the book suggestion..I was waiting for a newer release
though, but will go with the current one.

===
24230:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28239248
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 369, 0x88BC, 8192, 0x3B75A000, 0x01BA7234) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 355, 0x89E9C000, 8192, 0x1AF46000, 0x01BA13E8) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 365, 0x89704000, 8192, 0x3B998000, 0x01B822E0) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 365, 0x89532000, 8192, 0x3BA28000, 0x01B66BA8) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 365, 0x8986C000, 8192, 0x3BAFC000, 0x01BAEE1C) = 0
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28844768
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28996148
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28732328
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 29027868
24228:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28972008
24234:  kaio(6, 0x, 0x, 0x0001, 0xFFBED44C, 
0x0004,
0x) (sleeping...)
24232:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 399, 0xA1954000, 8192, 0x727CC000, 0x01BCDBD4) = 0
24232:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 29154260
24230:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 401, 0x8E714000, 8192, 0x1B12, 0x01B68CAC) = 0
24230:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28740780
24234:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 402, 0xA816A000, 8192, 0x1AFE2000, 0x01AFAD24) = 0
24234:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 402, 0xAA084000, 8192, 0x1B00E000, 0x01B984E8) = 0
24234:  kaio(AIOWRITE, 390, 0xA900, 8192, 0x50822000, 0x01C165A0) = 0
24234:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28935400
24234:  kaio(AIOWAIT, 0xFFBEDF78)   = 28290340
=
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Silly question maybe, but have you verified that those kaio call are 
succeeding?

Their mere appearance in the truss output only verifies async is being 
attempted.

If the kaio calls fail, they fall back on standard io calls.

Since you're on solaris, pick up Adrian Cockroft's Sun tuning book, you 
will find
it invaluable.

Jared






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Hello,

We have implemented quick i/o on a sun server running solaris 8 and Oracle
8173. I have set disk_asynch to true. I have verified using truss that 
dbwr
is making kaio calls. Is there anything I am missing on the db side to 
make
proper use of quick i/o ?

Also, I am noticing heavy I/O related waits for a process (db file
sequential read, db file parallel write etc..) and would like to involve 
our
sys admin in tuning this particular process..If anyone has any idea what I
can specifically ask the sys admin to look at, please do let me know..

I really appreciate any feedback I could get..

Thanks

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Re: init.ora (un documented) parameters

2002-01-12 Thread Marin Dimitrov


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 Hope that there are totally 504 init.ora parameters in ORacle8i. Out of
that
 only 203 parameters
 only documents, remaining are undocumented. This i read on a white
 paper. Where should i get information about these parameters? Just i
 want to know.


the only place (outdated now) I'm aware of is
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/oracle/699/orahtml/misc/undoc.html

also a good place to start is downloading OraSnap from
http://www.stewartmc.com/oracle/orasnap/ and playing with the Undoc'd
Init.ora Params section in the reports produced



 On the same white paper i read, the parameter _trace_files_public=true
 will do my request.


take a look at http://www.ixora.com.au/q+a/0009/15165340.htm


hth,

Marin


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RE: Init.ora Compabible Setting

2001-12-10 Thread Rao, Maheswara

Ken,

If you set the compatible to 817, then, you would be able to take advantage
of 817 version.  Or, if you have some software which is compatible with
8.1.0, then, it is better to leave like that.

I personally prefer setting it to 817.

Rao

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My init.ora compatible is set to 8.1.0.  Is this correct for 8.1.7?

Thanks,
Ken Janusz, CPIM
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Re: Init.ora Compabible Setting

2001-12-10 Thread Nikunj Gupta

Well, if  you are using any functionality related to 8.1.0 then leave it as
it is.. or
atleast boost it up to 8.1.5  or 8.1.6 .. This will enable your DROP COLUMN
too..

As might have been suggested.. Higher the better. if you are not using
anything related to previous version.




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RE: init.ora file and UTL_FILE package

2001-10-04 Thread Thomas, Kevin

cuell!!! ;o)

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Yep, as long as they have OS level authority.  That's why I said
'development server'..

Steve

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 Remember this has security implications however as anyone can read/write
 files from otherwise private directories.

 Kev.

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 utl_file=*

 On the development server..

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  I have a question concerning the init.ora file and using the supplied
  package UTL_FILE
 
  I am finding it a real inconvenience to bounce the database everytime I
 need
  to add a UTL_FILE directory, especially on the development machine.
Since
  the coding is very dynamic and many people are developing on the same
  database, when I add a UTL_FILE directory, I need to notify everyone
  involved, have them stop what they are doing and bounce the database...
 yuk!
 
  Is there any possible way to add UTL_FILE directories on the fly without
  bouncing the database (alter session, alter system, etc) and then at
a
  more convenient time add all of the changes at once to the init.ora file
 and
  bounce the database once.
 
  Any suggestions would be useful.
 
  Thanks in advance
 
  ReedK
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RE: init.ora file and UTL_FILE package

2001-10-03 Thread Thomas, Kevin

Remember this has security implications however as anyone can read/write
files from otherwise private directories.

Kev.

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utl_file=*

On the development server..

Steve

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 I have a question concerning the init.ora file and using the supplied
 package UTL_FILE

 I am finding it a real inconvenience to bounce the database everytime I
need
 to add a UTL_FILE directory, especially on the development machine.  Since
 the coding is very dynamic and many people are developing on the same
 database, when I add a UTL_FILE directory, I need to notify everyone
 involved, have them stop what they are doing and bounce the database...
yuk!

 Is there any possible way to add UTL_FILE directories on the fly without
 bouncing the database (alter session, alter system, etc) and then at a
 more convenient time add all of the changes at once to the init.ora file
and
 bounce the database once.

 Any suggestions would be useful.

 Thanks in advance

 ReedK
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Re: init.ora file and UTL_FILE package

2001-10-03 Thread Gene Sais

i prefer utl_file=/tmp/oracle/$sid.  you don't want to give rights everywhere.  also, 
developers can access their stuff in /tmp/... dir.

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utl_file=*

On the development server..

Steve

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 I have a question concerning the init.ora file and using the supplied
 package UTL_FILE

 I am finding it a real inconvenience to bounce the database everytime I
need
 to add a UTL_FILE directory, especially on the development machine.  Since
 the coding is very dynamic and many people are developing on the same
 database, when I add a UTL_FILE directory, I need to notify everyone
 involved, have them stop what they are doing and bounce the database...
yuk!

 Is there any possible way to add UTL_FILE directories on the fly without
 bouncing the database (alter session, alter system, etc) and then at a
 more convenient time add all of the changes at once to the init.ora file
and
 bounce the database once.

 Any suggestions would be useful.

 Thanks in advance

 ReedK
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Re: init.ora file and UTL_FILE package

2001-10-03 Thread Steve Smith

Yep, as long as they have OS level authority.  That's why I said
'development server'..

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 utl_file=*

 On the development server..

 Steve

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  I have a question concerning the init.ora file and using the supplied
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  I am finding it a real inconvenience to bounce the database everytime I
 need
  to add a UTL_FILE directory, especially on the development machine.
Since
  the coding is very dynamic and many people are developing on the same
  database, when I add a UTL_FILE directory, I need to notify everyone
  involved, have them stop what they are doing and bounce the database...
 yuk!
 
  Is there any possible way to add UTL_FILE directories on the fly without
  bouncing the database (alter session, alter system, etc) and then at
a
  more convenient time add all of the changes at once to the init.ora file
 and
  bounce the database once.
 
  Any suggestions would be useful.
 
  Thanks in advance
 
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RE: init.ora file and UTL_FILE package

2001-10-03 Thread Kempf, Reed

I knew about the security hole utl_file_dir=* but wanted to keep the
production and development enviroments the same so I decided that wasn't a
great option.

I take it the utl_file parameter cannot be changed on the fly, huh?

thanks for everybody's reponses

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 utl_file=*

 On the development server..

 Steve

 - Original Message -
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:55 PM


  I have a question concerning the init.ora file and using the supplied
  package UTL_FILE
 
  I am finding it a real inconvenience to bounce the database everytime I
 need
  to add a UTL_FILE directory, especially on the development machine.
Since
  the coding is very dynamic and many people are developing on the same
  database, when I add a UTL_FILE directory, I need to notify everyone
  involved, have them stop what they are doing and bounce the database...
 yuk!
 
  Is there any possible way to add UTL_FILE directories on the fly without
  bouncing the database (alter session, alter system, etc) and then at
a
  more convenient time add all of the changes at once to the init.ora file
 and
  bounce the database once.
 
  Any suggestions would be useful.
 
  Thanks in advance
 
  ReedK
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RE: init.ora file and UTL_FILE package

2001-10-03 Thread Kevin Lange

Correct. Its not adjustable on the fly.  (at least on 8.0.5)

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I knew about the security hole utl_file_dir=* but wanted to keep the
production and development enviroments the same so I decided that wasn't a
great option.

I take it the utl_file parameter cannot be changed on the fly, huh?

thanks for everybody's reponses

ReedK

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Steve

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 utl_file=*

 On the development server..

 Steve

 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:55 PM


  I have a question concerning the init.ora file and using the supplied
  package UTL_FILE
 
  I am finding it a real inconvenience to bounce the database everytime I
 need
  to add a UTL_FILE directory, especially on the development machine.
Since
  the coding is very dynamic and many people are developing on the same
  database, when I add a UTL_FILE directory, I need to notify everyone
  involved, have them stop what they are doing and bounce the database...
 yuk!
 
  Is there any possible way to add UTL_FILE directories on the fly without
  bouncing the database (alter session, alter system, etc) and then at
a
  more convenient time add all of the changes at once to the init.ora file
 and
  bounce the database once.
 
  Any suggestions would be useful.
 
  Thanks in advance
 
  ReedK
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RE: init.ora file and UTL_FILE package

2001-10-02 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
Title: RE: init.ora file and UTL_FILE package





(see answer below)


 -Original Message-
 From: Kempf, Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 I have a question concerning the init.ora file and using the supplied
 package UTL_FILE
 
 I am finding it a real inconvenience to bounce the database 
 everytime I need
 to add a UTL_FILE directory, especially on the development 
 machine. Since
 the coding is very dynamic and many people are developing on the same
 database, when I add a UTL_FILE directory, I need to notify everyone
 involved, have them stop what they are doing and bounce the 
 database... yuk!
 
 Is there any possible way to add UTL_FILE directories on the 
 fly without
 bouncing the database (alter session, alter system, etc) 
 and then at a
 more convenient time add all of the changes at once to the 
 init.ora file and
 bounce the database once.
 
 Any suggestions would be useful.



This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but did you know about this feature?


Metalink Doc ID: Note:1016653.4 
Bulletin: Steps to verify setup for UTIL_FILE Package on Windows NT 
...
The security and directory accessibility are controlled by the UTL_FILE_DIR 
parameter. If the INIT.ORA file contains 
UTL_FILE_DIR = * then database permissions are disable and all files and 
directories are accessible to all users.
...


Of course, when saying UTL_FILE_DIR = *, developpers can overwrite any file on which the oracle executable has write privileges.




Re: init.ora file and UTL_FILE package

2001-10-02 Thread Steve Smith

utl_file=*

On the development server..

Steve

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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:55 PM


 I have a question concerning the init.ora file and using the supplied
 package UTL_FILE

 I am finding it a real inconvenience to bounce the database everytime I
need
 to add a UTL_FILE directory, especially on the development machine.  Since
 the coding is very dynamic and many people are developing on the same
 database, when I add a UTL_FILE directory, I need to notify everyone
 involved, have them stop what they are doing and bounce the database...
yuk!

 Is there any possible way to add UTL_FILE directories on the fly without
 bouncing the database (alter session, alter system, etc) and then at a
 more convenient time add all of the changes at once to the init.ora file
and
 bounce the database once.

 Any suggestions would be useful.

 Thanks in advance

 ReedK
 just another Montana DBA




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Re: init.ora

2001-07-23 Thread D B

do a select 
select name from v$database;

you will get a name , and your init file will be
initthe_selected_name.ora

hope this will help you

regards
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 can it be found from any table/or anyother source?
 
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RE: init.ora

2001-07-23 Thread DEMANCHE Luc (Cetelem)
Title: RE: init.ora





Hi Prasad,


When your issue STARTUP command in svrmgrl or sqlplus, Oracle will check the file called initSID.ora in the $ORACLE_HOME/dbs directory.

You could specify a initSID.ora file with this command : STARTUP PFILE=/PATH/initSID.ora


Luc


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hi dbas


is there anyway to see 


using what init.ora file i start my instance/db


bcoz i hv somany init files in the same dir.


they have same parameters. i forgot to remember what
init file i used to start the db.


can it be found from any table/or anyother source?


prasad


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Re: init.ora

2001-07-23 Thread Jon Walthour

Prasad:

There is no way to tell from inside Oracle exactly what init.ora you used to
start the db up with. By default, it uses the one pointed to by the
symlink/ifile in $ORACLE_HOME/dbs, but if you start up the db with the
pfile= parameter (as in, startup pfile=some_other_init.ora), then there's no
way to know other than knowing what parameters are different between the two
init.ora files and querying sys.v_$parameter to check those differences.

Jon Walthour

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 hi dbas

 is there anyway to see

 using what init.ora file i start my instance/db

 bcoz i hv somany init files in the same dir.

 they have same parameters. i forgot to remember what
 init file i used to start the db.

 can it be found from any table/or anyother source?

 prasad

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Re: init.ora

2001-07-23 Thread Rodd Holman

This won't tell you of aditional config files (referenced using ifile= in 
you init file) but it will tell you the primary file.
  select * from v$parameter where name = 'ifile';

Rodd Holman

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 Prasad:

 There is no way to tell from inside Oracle exactly what init.ora you used 
to
 start the db up with. By default, it uses the one pointed to by the
 symlink/ifile in $ORACLE_HOME/dbs, but if you start up the db with the
 pfile= parameter (as in, startup pfile=some_other_init.ora), then there's 
no
 way to know other than knowing what parameters are different between the 
two
 init.ora files and querying sys.v_$parameter to check those differences.

 Jon Walthour

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  hi dbas
 
  is there anyway to see
 
  using what init.ora file i start my instance/db
 
  bcoz i hv somany init files in the same dir.
 
  they have same parameters. i forgot to remember what
  init file i used to start the db.
 
  can it be found from any table/or anyother source?
 
  prasad
 
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RE: Re: init.ora

2001-07-23 Thread Jon Walthour



Rood:

Not exactly correct. The ifile parameter will tell you all the
files included in the init.ora via this method. However, it will
not necessarily give you the location of the init.ora itself.
Now, on a Windows NT system, this is how Oracle is able to keep
the init.ora in the %ORACLE_ADMIN%\%ORACLE_SID%\pfile directory
and still have a link to it in the %ORACLE_HOME%\dbs directory.
However, on UNIX, where symlinks are used, there may be no ifile
parameter in the init.ora and certainly probably not one pointing
to the init.ora itself. Therefore, at best, this parameter is
unreliable for finding the init.ora.

Jon Walthour

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This won't tell you of aditional config files (referenced using
ifile=
 in 
you init file) but it will tell you the primary file.
  select * from v$parameter where name = 'ifile';

Rodd Holman

 Original Message 

on 7/23/01, 6:35:50 am, jon walthour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding
Re:
 
init.ora:


 Prasad:

 There is no way to tell from inside Oracle exactly what init.ora
you u
sed 
to
 start the db up with. By default, it uses the one pointed
to by the
 symlink/ifile in $ORACLE_HOME/dbs, but if you start up the
db with the

 pfile= parameter (as in, startup pfile=some_other_init.ora),
then 
there's 
no
 way to know other than knowing what parameters are different
between t
he 
two
 init.ora files and querying sys.v_$parameter to check those
difference
s.

 Jon Walthour

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  hi dbas
 
  is there anyway to see
 
  using what init.ora file i start my instance/db
 
  bcoz i hv somany init files in the same dir.
 
  they have same parameters. i forgot to remember what
  init file i used to start the db.
 
  can it be found from any table/or anyother source?
 
  prasad
 
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Re: Init.ora .. OPTIMIZER parm: optimizer_index_cost_adj

2001-01-31 Thread jkstill


I've used this in an attempt to make the optimizer prefer a hash join
over a nested loops join.

The desired results were not achieved.

Jared

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 Has any one messed with
 optimizer_index_cost_adj
 on 8.1.7 ??

 The default is 100, but my boss thinks 10 is a better value for Cost based Opmtzr..
 doesn't make any sense to me..  why would reducing the cost of using an
 optimizer make it more CBO or go faster..   what if its a large table?

 Is it a good strategy to reduce this value to 10 or so ..

 any one played with this on a 30GB database ? or any other size db?

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Re: Init.ora .. OPTIMIZER parm: optimizer_index_cost_adj

2001-01-30 Thread Tim Sawmiller

This parameter tells the optimizer how much weight to give to indexes when evaluating 
a query.  That's the short answer, it's really more complicated than that.  A client I 
have uses a value of 4 for this parameter.  This was arrived at using the old fashion 
method of changing the value and running some test queries and capturing timings for 
them.


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Has any one messed with
optimizer_index_cost_adj
on 8.1.7 ??

The default is 100, but my boss thinks 10 is a better value for Cost based Opmtzr..
doesn't make any sense to me..  why would reducing the cost of using an
optimizer make it more CBO or go faster..   what if its a large table?

Is it a good strategy to reduce this value to 10 or so ..

any one played with this on a 30GB database ? or any other size db?

thanks, Bruce


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