RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Hey Joe: I generally switch from NT to Unix when availability becomes a central issue. When you can look at the performance monitor in NT and see that the box is not scaling properly is another cautionary flag. Additionally, people switch when they get frustrated with the installation and update processes for software upgrades. I have, as you do, Oracle on my NT laptop and think that Oracle could do a MUCH BETTER JOB implementing the software. Given that cost is no longer an issue with platform-specific pricing gone, I guess it is a subjective decision when to switch. Thank You Stephen P. Karniotis Product Architect Compuware Corporation Direct: (248) 865-4350 Mobile: (248) 408-2918 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.compuware.com -Original Message- From: JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Joe, Please locate the "flack jacket" and wrap it security around your body. You are about to get a barrage of comments ranging from "ASAP, to fix what you have". I would suggest that sense you asked the question that there must be something in the wind at your location that would cause you to consider the move. If in your opinion the time is near for the move then that is the answer. If OS problems or support is the problem then I would suggest that you dig deeply into the alternatives and come up with a solution that is acceptable to you and the company. Companies just can' afford to move to a different platform if there are reasonable methods to correct what's wrong. Personally, I would start when you have a viable road map laid out and a buy in from the purse strings. Ron. ROR mª¿ªm >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/02 09:48AM >>> A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
First things first Joe - forget "NT" and use Win2K!! When memory needs become greater than 3gig,. When reliability is *essential* (24*7). Security is essential (yea yea they *say* it's secure - but...) Mark === Mark Leith | T: +44 (0)1905 330 281 Sales & Marketing | F: +44 (0)870 127 5283 Cool Tools UK Ltd | E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === http://www.cool-tools.co.uk Maximising throughput & performance -Original Message- Sent: 23 May 2002 14:48 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Hello Joe I think that the main reason is response time. An NT machine can get only 4 CPUs. If you have all the CPUs and memory and the NT does not carry the load then it is time to consider a change. A change can be to Unix or to clustering. If you are all NT shop then I would consider clustering. In a mixed shop the move to Unix is easier, otherwise you will also need system administrator and have learning curve. Just my 0.02$ Yechiel AdarMehish - Original Message - From: JOE TESTA To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Number of users. I have a 170G Oracle 8.1.6 database running on WinNT 4.0 with 3xx of RAM just fine, as long as there are no more than 2 users. Jump up to about 16 users and response time goes down the tube. So I guess that transactions are the answer. I don't have any benchmarks. Just my $.02. JOE TESTA com> cc: Sent by: rootSubject: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle 05/23/2002 09:48 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Here are my 0.02EUR Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server? Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production environment? b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? Arno Disser -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Joe, I do not know if it is still valid but here is part of a message from 05/2000 that talked about the 4GB on NT. "With Oracle 8.1.6 on NT there is an option to allow you to use all of the 4 GIG as noted in the 8I Administrators Guide for Windows NT section 10. 4GB RAM Tuning (4GT) for windows NT server, Enterprise Edition. More information can be found at http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ntserverenterprise/exec/feature/4gbt.asp Ron ROR mª¿ªm >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/02 12:33PM >>> Number of users. I have a 170G Oracle 8.1.6 database running on WinNT 4.0 with 3xx of RAM just fine, as long as there are no more than 2 users. Jump up to about 16 users and response time goes down the tube. So I guess that transactions are the answer. I don't have any benchmarks. Just my $.02. JOE TESTA com> cc: Sent by: rootSubject: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle 05/23/2002 09:48 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
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RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
here we go again - NT bashing. I will say again, NT is a perfectly fine platform if it is being administered by a competent NT Admin, and it is dedicated to runing only Oracle. there. I feel better. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:03 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can you afford non-scheduled reboots? If no, don't even think of NT/2000. **DISCLAIMER This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail message. The contents do not represent the opinion of D&E except to the extent that it relates to their official business. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jay Hostetter INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Steven, not quite, I dont run NT anywhere, exclusively linux both on laptop and at home. (feel free to see the headers in this email). I'm asking for my partner who(unfortunately) is dealing with NT, my answer to him is "convert to unix" :) joe Karniotis, Stephen wrote: > Hey Joe: > > > >I generally switch from NT to Unix when availability becomes a > central issue. When you can look at the performance monitor in NT and > see that the box is not scaling properly is another cautionary flag. > Additionally, people switch when they get frustrated with the > installation and update processes for software upgrades. > > > > I have, as you do, Oracle on my NT laptop and think that Oracle > could do a MUCH BETTER JOB implementing the software. Given that cost > is no longer an issue with platform-specific pricing gone, I guess it > is a subjective decision when to switch. > > > > */ Thank You/* > > > > * Stephen P. Karniotis* > > Product Architect > > Compuware Corporation > > Direct: (248) 865-4350 > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web:_www.compuware.com_ > > > > -Original Message- > *From:* JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:48 AM > *To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > *Subject:* so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle > > > > A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for > oracle. > > > > Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of > transactions, size of db? > > > > just looking for some ball park answers. > > > > thanks, joe > > > > > > > *The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee > only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are > the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use > it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please > notify us immediately and then destroy it.* > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Steven, not quite, I dont run NT anywhere, exclusively linux both on laptop and at home. (feel free to see the headers in this email). I'm asking for my partner who(unfortunately) is dealing with NT, my answer to him is "convert to unix" :) joe Karniotis, Stephen wrote: > Hey Joe: > > > >I generally switch from NT to Unix when availability becomes a > central issue. When you can look at the performance monitor in NT and > see that the box is not scaling properly is another cautionary flag. > Additionally, people switch when they get frustrated with the > installation and update processes for software upgrades. > > > > I have, as you do, Oracle on my NT laptop and think that Oracle > could do a MUCH BETTER JOB implementing the software. Given that cost > is no longer an issue with platform-specific pricing gone, I guess it > is a subjective decision when to switch. > > > > */ Thank You/* > > > > * Stephen P. Karniotis* > > Product Architect > > Compuware Corporation > > Direct: (248) 865-4350 > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Web:_www.compuware.com_ > > > > -Original Message- > *From:* JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:48 AM > *To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > *Subject:* so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle > > > > A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for > oracle. > > > > Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of > transactions, size of db? > > > > just looking for some ball park answers. > > > > thanks, joe > > > > > > > *The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee > only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are > the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use > it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please > notify us immediately and then destroy it.* > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
First time to this topic. I am not an Oracle expert like all of you. But I have been using w2k since 1999 and haven't had any of the problem that you mention. I agree with Tomas if it is well administered and only for this purpose you won't have problem. Note: Not everybody has 200 GB in his company. Ramon E. Estevez - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:19 PM > Steven, not quite, I dont run NT anywhere, exclusively linux both on > laptop and at home. > > (feel free to see the headers in this email). > > I'm asking for my partner who(unfortunately) is dealing with NT, my > answer to him is "convert to unix" > > :) > > joe > > > Karniotis, Stephen wrote: > > > Hey Joe: > > > > > > > >I generally switch from NT to Unix when availability becomes a > > central issue. When you can look at the performance monitor in NT and > > see that the box is not scaling properly is another cautionary flag. > > Additionally, people switch when they get frustrated with the > > installation and update processes for software upgrades. > > > > > > > > I have, as you do, Oracle on my NT laptop and think that Oracle > > could do a MUCH BETTER JOB implementing the software. Given that cost > > is no longer an issue with platform-specific pricing gone, I guess it > > is a subjective decision when to switch. > > > > > > > > */ Thank You/* > > > > > > > > * Stephen P. Karniotis* > > > > Product Architect > > > > Compuware Corporation > > > > Direct: (248) 865-4350 > > > > Mobile: (248) 408-2918 > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Web:_www.compuware.com_ > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > *From:* JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:48 AM > > *To:* Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > *Subject:* so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle > > > > > > > > A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for > > oracle. > > > > > > > > Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of > > transactions, size of db? > > > > > > > > just looking for some ball park answers. > > > > > > > > thanks, joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee > > only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are > > the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use > > it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please > > notify us immediately and then destroy it.* > > > > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Joe Testa > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ramon E. Estevez INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
I'd agree that Windows can run reliably - if administered appropriately and the server is dedicated to single (or very few) tasks. Uptimes of 300 days (whilst not at all earth shattering compared to VMS, Unix and others) are possible and repeatable. Database uptimes of 3 figures are possible and in our case get affected by application upgrades / database configuration changes. And the above is with NT4. If you want better uptime use W2K - 1 good reason is that it can (with correct controllers) support adding disks without an OS reboot. Sounds trivial for VMS and probably Unix but it can't be done (at least not easily) with NT4. BUT, While ever the admin believes it won't be reliable it probably won't be. Joe - did you find the reason for running out of memory? Are they using PQO and 8171x by any chance? We have had memory issues but they were due to Oracle bugs rather than due to OS (Windows) issues. There are stable and there are unstable Windows servers / sites. There are also stable and there are unstable VMS (/Unix/...) servers / sites. Does the site have good Windows admins? Are they planning on becoming good Windows admins? If the answer to both of the above is no and they do have good Unix admins then maybe they should consider moving to Unix. Someone else said Windows can only have 4 CPUs - this is incorrect. It may be that it won't scale linearly above x CPUs (I have never tried) but it can certainly run with 32 (and maybe more). Regards, Bruce Reardon -Original Message- Sent: Friday, 24 May 2002 6:55 here we go again - NT bashing. I will say again, NT is a perfectly fine platform if it is being administered by a competent NT Admin, and it is dedicated to runing only Oracle. there. I feel better. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:03 PM Can you afford non-scheduled reboots? If no, don't even think of NT/2000. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?
4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.
Stop making me defend NT!!
Jared
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Here are my 0.02EUR
Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle
DB-server?
Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production
environment?
b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS?
Arno Disser
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Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
As soon as you've put down the sledgehammer. "JOE TESTA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/2002 06:48 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle A question has been posed to me, when to switch from NT to unix for oracle. Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory issues, number of transactions, size of db? just looking for some ball park answers. thanks, joe -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM > How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? > > 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. > > Stop making me defend NT!! > > Jared > > > > > > "Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 05/23/2002 10:23 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle > > > Here are my 0.02EUR > > Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle > DB-server? > Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production > environment? > > b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? > > Arno Disser > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Disser, Arno > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Open your eyes then.. It *can* cope with these types of apps - as many have said here already, it just takes the right admin.. -Original Message- Chitale Sent: 24 May 2002 16:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM > How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? > > 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. > > Stop making me defend NT!! > > Jared > > > > > > "Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 05/23/2002 10:23 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle > > > Here are my 0.02EUR > > Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle > DB-server? > Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production > environment? > > b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? > > Arno Disser > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Disser, Arno > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Please check the metalink doc Note:46001.1 which gives complete details about > 2 Gigs memory addressing by oracle. Cheers, RS --- Ron Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joe, > I do not know if it is still valid but here is part > of a message from > 05/2000 that talked about the 4GB on NT. > "With Oracle 8.1.6 on NT there is an option to allow > you to use all of > the 4 GIG as noted in the 8I Administrators Guide > for Windows NT section > 10. 4GB RAM Tuning (4GT) for windows NT server, > Enterprise Edition. More > information can be found at > http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ntserverenterprise/exec/feature/4gbt.asp > > > Ron > ROR mª¿ªm > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/02 12:33PM >>> > > Number of users. I have a 170G Oracle 8.1.6 > database running on WinNT > 4.0 > with 3xx of RAM just fine, as long as there are no > more than 2 users. > Jump > up to about 16 users and response time goes down the > tube. > > So I guess that transactions are the answer. I > don't have any > benchmarks. > Just my $.02. > > > > > > > JOE TESTA > > > Multiple recipients of > list ORACLE-L > @longaberger. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > com> cc: > > > Sent by: rootSubject: > so when did you > switch from NT to > unix for > oracle > > > > > 05/23/2002 > > > 09:48 AM > > > Please > > > respond to > > > ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question has been posed to me, when to switch from > NT to unix for > oracle. > > Is it when the NT box starts getting out of memory > issues, number of > transactions, size of db? > > just looking for some ball park answers. > > thanks, joe > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Thomas Day > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information > (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Ron Rogers > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information > (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
And server reboots. Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA > -Original Message- > From: Mark Leith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 10:39 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle > > > Open your eyes then.. It *can* cope with these types of apps > - as many have > said here already, it just takes the right admin.. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Apologies to all NT-ophiles out there, but REALLY, this afternoon, you can kiss my milky white ass. Lee, having a rather bad NT-centric afternoon -Original Message- Sent: 24 May 2002 16:39 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Open your eyes then.. It *can* cope with these types of apps - as many have said here already, it just takes the right admin.. -Original Message- Chitale Sent: 24 May 2002 16:04 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class platform, me included]. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM > How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? > > 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. > > Stop making me defend NT!! > > Jared > > > > > > "Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 05/23/2002 10:23 AM > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle > > > Here are my 0.02EUR > > Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle > DB-server? > Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production > environment? > > b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? > > Arno Disser > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Disser, Arno > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hemant K Chitale INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my doubts about financing it. One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking in several respects. One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?" Another was "What's the ROI?" PHB's abound. Jared On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: > No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs > [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in > pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class > platform, me included]. > > Hemant K Chitale > > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM > > > How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? > > > > 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. > > > > Stop making me defend NT!! > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > "Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 05/23/2002 10:23 AM > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > cc: > > Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for > > oracle > > > Here are my 0.02EUR > > > > Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle > > DB-server? > > Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production > > environment? > > > > b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? > > > > Arno Disser > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Disser, Arno > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
> PHB's abound. > Who are PHB's? (Just kidding, don't worry, I'm not trying to move to the damagement. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with Oracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. Hemant K Chitale http://hkchital.tripod.com - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM > > 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. > > 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. > I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many > good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my > doubts about financing it. > > One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise > class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking > in several respects. > > One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?" > > Another was "What's the ROI?" > > PHB's abound. > > Jared > > On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: > > No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs > > [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in > > pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class > > platform, me included]. > > > > Hemant K Chitale > > > > - Original Message - > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM > > > > > How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? > > > > > > 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. > > > > > > Stop making me defend NT!! > > > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > 05/23/2002 10:23 AM > > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > cc: > > > Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for > > > > oracle > > > > > Here are my 0.02EUR > > > > > > Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle > > > DB-server? > > > Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production > > > environment? > > > > > > b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? > > > > > > Arno Disser > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > > -- > > > Author: Disser, Arno > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > > -- > > > Author: > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
He! I just said we are running NT and it works, mostly. I never claimed I liked it. I would much prefer being on Solaris. Jared On Sunday 26 May 2002 09:23, Hemant K Chitale wrote: > Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. > Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform > > 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] > than Unix. > 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. > I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP > application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with > Oracle Applications ! > 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out > from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can > understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a > patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the > database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. > 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. > > Hemant K Chitale > http://hkchital.tripod.com > - Original Message - > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM > > > 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. > > > > 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. > > I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many > > good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my > > doubts about financing it. > > > > One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise > > class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking > > in several respects. > > > > One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?" > > > > Another was "What's the ROI?" > > > > PHB's abound. > > > > Jared > > > > On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: > > > No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs > > > [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in > > > pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class > > > platform, me included]. > > > > > > Hemant K Chitale > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM > > > > > > > How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? > > > > > > > > 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. > > > > > > > > Stop making me defend NT!! > > > > > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > 05/23/2002 10:23 AM > > > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > cc: > > > > Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix > > > > for > > > > > > oracle > > > > > > > Here are my 0.02EUR > > > > > > > > Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious > > Oracle > > > > > DB-server? > > > > Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production > > > > environment? > > > > > > > > b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? > > > > > > > > Arno Disser > > > > -- > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > > > -- > > > > Author: Disser, Arno > > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > > > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing > > > > Lists > > > > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the > > > > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > > > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > > > -- > > > > Author: > > >
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too. I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what? Mogens Hemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAPapplication on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that withOracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come outfrom Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I canunderstand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but apatch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as thedatabase requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.Hemant K Chitalehttp://hkchital.tripod.com- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Manygood reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have mydoubts about financing it.One of our current projects is to put in place an enterpriseclass backup and recovery system. The current one is lackingin several respects.One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"Another was "What's the ROI?"PHB's abound.JaredOn Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride inpointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-classplatform, me included].Hemant K Chitale- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.Stop making me defend NT!!Jared"Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]05/23/2002 10:23 AMPlease respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Here are my 0.02EURTurn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious Oracle DB-server?Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an productionenvironment?b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS?Arno Disser--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for ot her information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
its not a unix processor versus intel processor, i think its more a OS decision. I run all of my stuff on intel processors, just linux not windoze :) joe Mogens Nørgaard wrote: > Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). > > Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away > from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE > mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan > and the rest have gone to bed. > > Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. > > Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): > Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today > (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer > today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix > processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose > between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no > longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so > much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel > could handle many processors that would be interesting, too. > > I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died > (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it > died. Now what? > > Mogens > > Hemant K Chitale wrote: > >>Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. >>Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform >> >> 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] >>than Unix. >> 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. >>I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP >>application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with >>Oracle Applications ! >> 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out >>from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can >>understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a >>patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the >>database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. >> 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. >> >>Hemant K Chitale >>http://hkchital.tripod.com >>- Original Message - >>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" >tcity.com> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM >> >> >>>1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. >>> >>>2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. >>>I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many >>>good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my >>>doubts about financing it. >>> >>>One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise >>>class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking >>>in several respects. >>> >>>One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?" >>> >>>Another was "What's the ROI?" >>> >>>PHB's abound. >>> >>>Jared >>> >>>On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: >>> >>>>No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs >>>>[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in >>>>pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class >>>>platform, me included]. >>>> >>>>Hemant K Chitale >>>> >>>>- Original Message - >>>>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM >>>> >>>>>How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? >>>>> >>>>>4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. >>>>> >>>>>Stop making me defend NT!! >>>>> >>>>>Jared >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>"Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>05/23/2002 10:23 AM >>>>>Please respond to ORACLE-L >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >>>>> >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>>>cc: >>>>>Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for >>>>> >>>>oracle >>>> >>>>>Here are my
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
OK, I'll bite... A P4 can run circles around an Alpha? I think not... The Intel processors are not winning the technical battle, but Intel Corporation is winning the battle with the bean-counters and the MBAs. In a world where CIOs seriously consider outsourcing the entire IT department of their company at every turn, what Intel is doing is using similar logic to convince its competitors that resistance is futile, and why not let us build your processors for you? If technical prowess and long-term company viability were even a consideration at Compaq as opposed to showing near-term benefits to the financial bottom-line, would the Alpha product line have been sold to Intel? Since that company was considering acquisition by another that had already decided to scuttle it's own PA-RISC chip, what factors would you think influenced that decision? Is it a coincidence that the Alpha sale to Intel was announced some 60 days before the Compaq sale to HP? Are the Alpha, PA-RISC, and PowerPC chips being scuttled because Intel chips are better, or because Intel chips are just nearly good enough? Have these manufacturers (Compaq, HP, and IBM) been convinced that the emphasis on differentiation between CPUs is "so 20th century", and why not focus on other things? Like finding other creative ways to squeeze worker productivity higher and make one's company more attractive to buyout... Whoops! Better stop now... - Original Message - From: Mogens Nørgaard To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:18 AM Subject: Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too.I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what?MogensHemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAPapplication on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that withOracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come outfrom Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I canunderstand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but apatch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as thedatabase requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.Hemant K Chitalehttp://hkchital.tripod.com- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Manygood reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have mydoubts about financing it.One of our current projects is to put in place an enterpriseclass backup and recovery system. The current one is lackingin several respects.One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"Another was "What's the ROI?"PHB's abound.JaredOn Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride inpointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-classplatform, me included].Hemant K Chitale- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.Stop making me defend NT!!Jared"Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]05/23/2002 10:23 AMPlease respond to ORACLE-LTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:fororacle Here are my 0.02EURTurn this reasoning a
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Hi Mogens, What I wouldn't do to be a fly on that wall. Oh, the interesting discussions to be had! :-) I too have thought long and hard about this industry trend, and it has remarkable ramifications that we should all be aware of. One implication that you don't mention is the clear advantages of the federated shared-nothing architecture Microsoft currently has the lead in versus the shared-disk solutions that Oracle is an expert in. With a federated approach, you can afford to use "disposable" servers and provide excellent scalability. With cheaper machines and operating systems providing fantastic performance but substandard stability, a federated approach gets you out of the woods. I am hoping Oracle picks up on this soon. However, I would like to voice my opinion that there is precious little missing from Linux. It used to be that the filesystems were lagging, but we've gotten excellent (I do not use that term lightly) performance from SGI's XFS filesystem. IBM's JFS is also available, as are some native filesystems. We run Linux in production for many customers, and where we do run into trouble, it's almost never as a result of the Linux. We do occasionally have difficulties because the hardware subsystems are not well-chosen and tuned to each other, however. Interestingly, the one company created to solve this problem, VAResearch, no longer creates hardware because it couldn't find a market. This vacuum is being quickly filled in by IBM and Dell, however. Should a company be willing to spend a comparable amount annually with their Linux provider and their hardware provider that they would give to (for instance) Sun Support, I believe they could easily achieve comparable levels of hardware and software reliability than any other commercial unix. Cheers, Paul - Original Message - From: Mogens Nørgaard To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too.I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what?MogensHemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAPapplication on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that withOracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come outfrom Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I canunderstand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but apatch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as thedatabase requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.Hemant K Chitalehttp://hkchital.tripod.com- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Manygood reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have mydoubts about financing it.One of our current projects is to put in place an enterpriseclass backup and recovery system. The current one is lackingin several respects.One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"Another was "What's the ROI?"PHB's abound.JaredOn Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride inpointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-classplatform, me included].Hemant K Chitale- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, 24 May,
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Unfortunately, I, and all of us, have seen the Pentium processors in MS-NT/2K. The general opinion of Pentium/P4 is in the context of MS operating systems. And these don't perform as well as *nix. Hemant K Chitale - Original Message - From: Mogens Nørgaard To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Tuesday, 28 May, 2002 1:18 AM Subject: Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too.I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what?MogensHemant K Chitale wrote: Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]than Unix. 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAPapplication on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that withOracle Applications ! 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come outfrom Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I canunderstand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but apatch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as thedatabase requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.Hemant K Chitalehttp://hkchital.tripod.com- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Manygood reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have mydoubts about financing it.One of our current projects is to put in place an enterpriseclass backup and recovery system. The current one is lackingin several respects.One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"Another was "What's the ROI?"PHB's abound.JaredOn Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride inpointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-classplatform, me included].Hemant K Chitale- Original Message -To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.Stop making me defend NT!!Jared"Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]05/23/2002 10:23 AMPlease respond to ORACLE-LTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc:fororacle Here are my 0.02EURTurn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a seriousOracle DB-server?Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an productionenvironment?b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS?Arno Disser--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: Disser, Arno INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com--Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing ListsTo REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT sp
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
> Should a company be willing to spend a comparable amount annually with > their Linux provider and their hardware provider that they would give to > (for instance) Sun Support, I believe they could easily achieve > comparable levels of hardware and software reliability than any other > commercial unix. Perhaps an extreme example, but the NIH/CDC's recently signed the papers on a supercomputer for the Seattle lab. The box has 1000+ Intel It. procssors, 1.8Tb of core (no typo: Tera) and runs linux. For $23M you can have one too :-) The fact that people are using linux for something this heavy duty is interesting. The main reasons for choosing the O/S were scaleability, reliability, and support. Similar results came up from the DoD's recent software audit: they got better results for many app's from open source code than proprietary -- Billy wan't pleased in the least. Regardless of *NIX debates, linux is proving out as a nice, stable platform for cheap, reliable federated systems. -- Steven Lembark 2930 W. Palmer Workhorse Computing Chicago, IL 60647 +1 800 762 1582 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steven Lembark INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Mogens How is Steve Adam himself? Like other listers I am feeling his absence very much from this list. You may request on my behalf(or on behalf of other listers like myself) that he must participate in this list... Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:18:20 -0800 Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the rest have gone to bed. Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors that would be interesting, too. I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it died. Now what? Mogens Hemant K Chitale wrote: >Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. >Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform > > 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] >than Unix. > 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. >I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP >application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with >Oracle Applications ! > 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out >from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can >understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a >patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the >database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. >4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. > >Hemant K Chitale >http://hkchital.tripod.com >- Original Message - >To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM > > >>1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. >> >>2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. >>I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many >>good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my >>doubts about financing it. >> >>One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise >>class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking >>in several respects. >> >>One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?" >> >>Another was "What's the ROI?" >> >>PHB's abound. >> >>Jared >> >>On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: >> >>>No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs >>>[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in >>>pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class >>>platform, me included]. >>> >>>Hemant K Chitale >>> >>>- Original Message - >>>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM >>> >>>>How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? >>>> >>>>4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram. >>>> >>>>Stop making me defend NT!! >>>> >>>>Jared >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>"Disser, Arno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>05/23/2002 10:23 AM >>>>Please respond to ORACLE-L >>>> >>>> >>>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >>>> >>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>>>cc: >>>>Subject:RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for >>>> >>>oracle >>> >>>>Here are my 0.02EUR >>>> >>>>Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious >>>> >Oracle > >>>>DB-server? >>>>Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production >>>>environment? >>>> >>>>b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS? >>>> >>>>Arno Disser >>>>-- >>>>Please se
Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle
Hi Rafiq, I'll let him know :). From the great, great hospitality shown by Steve to Jonathan, Cary, Anjo, Howard, me and others this week here at the Database Forum I think it's safe to say that Steve is fine - but busy. Steve is a very impressive guy in many ways. But I guess he has to prioritise in order to make ends meet. He's also extremely helpful, so I don't think he's quitting lists like this one without being forced to :). Maybe - maybe - Steve will attend the Database Forum in Denmark in September. But he certainly will run the 3-day Miracle Master Class 2003 in January 2003 in Denmark. That should rock! Best regards, Mogens Mohammad Rafiq wrote: > Mogens > > How is Steve Adam himself? Like other listers I am feeling his > absence very much from this list. You may request on my behalf(or on > behalf of other listers like myself) that he must participate in this > list... > > Regards > Rafiq > > > > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:18:20 -0800 > > Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-). > > Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away > from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid > in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the > rest have gone to bed. > > Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg. > > Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically > a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other > words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would > get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors. > The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and > Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could > choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that > nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors > that would be interesting, too. > > I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died > (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it > died. Now what? > > Mogens > > Hemant K Chitale wrote: > >> Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT. >> Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform >> >> 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc] >> than Unix. >> 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs. >> I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP >> application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with >> Oracle Applications ! >> 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out >> from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can >> understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a >> patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the >> database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable. >> 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT. >> >> Hemant K Chitale >> http://hkchital.tripod.com >> - Original Message - >> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM >> >> >>> 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run. >>> >>> 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform. >>> I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many >>> good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my >>> doubts about financing it. >>> >>> One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise >>> class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking >>> in several respects. >>> >>> One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?" >>> >>> Another was "What's the ROI?" >>> >>> PHB's abound. >>> >>> Jared >>> >>> On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote: >>> >>>> No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs >>>> [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in >>>> pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class >>>> platform, me included]. >>>> >>>> Hemant K Chitale >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM >>>> >>>>> How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B? >>>>> >>>>> 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.
